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A Greener Chip Manufacturing Process
gardenermike writes "A new chip manufacturing process has been developed which uses UV light instead of high temperatures to prepare the silicon. This could lead to cheaper chips and greener factories if it pans out. Apparently the main problem is defects in the material, which are currently 'ironed out' as a side-effect of the extreme temperatures used."
as the defect ratio issue would be negated by the size of the technology being produced.
:)
for custom fabricating nanocircuitry for nanomachines this seems like an awesome idea.
so how long till we have a swarm of replicators based on this technology
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You know... chips are supposed to be yellow, regardless of whether they are of the corn or potato variety.
And here I was thinking we already had MOS Semiconductor...
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Man guys, these chip jokes REALLY suck. This isn't a joke. They're horrible. Try harder.
I'd hardly call it a side-effect to have a process that minimizes defects. I'd rather call that an essential-effect.
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Silicon dioxide is the all purpose dielectric in most current chips. It is slowly and painfully being replaced by "low K" materials between wires and "high K" materials under the gate electrodes. The transition to Low K/High K has been pushed out again and again but it is being used in some chips now. If the this new method of growing silicon dioxide is still in research, it seems doomed to reach production shortly after it is no longer needed.
Would this process also be useful for making silicon based solar cells? Or is it at a step of silicon processing that's too far towards chip specific manufacturing? If solar cells can be made more cheaply, I wonder what this could make the initial $/watt investment.
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Good thing this is Slashdot, I usually throw the green chips away.
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Uh... did you even bother to RTFSummary, let alone the article? This is about making the manufacturing process more environmentally friendly, not saving you a few cents on your electricity bill by making a chip that doesn't use much power.
I won't even bother to address your "I'm not paying for it so I don't care" jackass attitude toward the environment.
I posted this to an earlier discussion, where it seems to be eliciting no replies, so I'll ask again here. The Wikipedia entry states: "The successors to 45nm technology will be 32 nm, 22 nm, and then 16 nm technology; it is possible that these numbers are arbitrary, but it is also possible that they reflect fundamental physical limits of some sort." So which is it, arbitrary or fundamental physical limits?
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I've had those, and I think I'd rather eat what the article is talking about. Who the hell dries guacamole into green dust and throws it all over chips? Blech.
It's nothing but crumpled porno and Ayn Rand.
Green chips are supposed to be eaten ala "Soylent Green .
FalconShould there be a Law?
Appart from the fact that it might be replace by High K/Low K (whatever that may be), saying:
"could reduce the prices of electronic devices for consumers and, of course, create a positive environmental impact"
Seems wrong: Isn't production only a small part of actual environmental impact?
Of course any "greener" pruduction method helps, but when I think about green chips, I think about chips like the efficeon chip from Transmeta.
let see
you compute probably uses around 1KWh every6 hours.(probably more like 4 hours)
let's se you pay12cents a KWh
thats 48 cents a day. about 15 bucks a month.
figure half of that is the amount of time that you would be using the computer anyway.
extra 7.5 bucks a month.
If you use AC, then it costs you even more.
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While the new process may not use as much energy in the manufacture of ICs, chips, the article says nothing about water usage. As it is now ic fabs use prodigious amounts of deionized water.
FalconShould there be a Law?
Each is the previous divided by the square root of 2.
The reason for this is that if you decrease the feature size by the square root of 2 on each side, the feature shrinks to half size (since they are 2D features).
You can see this by squaring them all
180^2 = 32,400
130^2 = 16,900
90^2 = 8,100
65^2 = 4,225
45^2 = 2,025
32^2 = 1,024
22^2 = 484
16^2 = 256
See how each is half the size of the previous?
I guess doubling the number of things (transistors) makes sense to humans. It sure makes it easy to calculate how many dice you can fit on a wafer after a shrink. It'll be about twice as many as before.
You see it in hard drive sizes:
8^2 = 64
5.25^2 = 28
3.5^2 = 12.25
2.5^2 = 6.25
1.8^2 = 3.24
1.3^2 = 1.69 (missing for some reason)
1^2 = 1
You also see it in f-stops on cameras, where each f-stop lets in twice the light of the previous
1/22^2 = 1/484
1/16^2 = 1/256
1/11^2 = 1/121
1/8^2 = 1/64
1/5.5^2 = 1/30
1/4^2 = 1/16
1/2.7^2 = 1/8
1/2^2 = 1/4
1/1.4^2 = 1/2
1/1^2 = 1
All are arbitrary, being for the convenience of humans doing math in their heads.
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I used to drink soymilk as well but stopped because it's high in carbohydrates. Tell the truth I prefer real milk anyway.
FalconShould there be a Law?
Jokes about alien motorcycle cop shows? Or maybe a crossover show with "Nick At Night" hillbillies and Eric Estrada?
Let's face it...there just really ain't many good jokes about green chips!
...and that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Firstly, I have to say that, what they claim to serve as a >novel> technique is not completely novel. Of course, it was known that SiO2 could be formed by other means then sintering ( heating the silicon and letting the oxygen atoms dissolve in silicon ) but the problem has always been the purity.
Semiconductors, especially devices in nanometer scaling need to be extremely pure. Their lattice structure -hence their electrical effects- can easily be distorted or failed by very little deviations, say, in dopant concentrations random dopant fluctuations. This is shortly called , RDF.
RDF has become a major concern especially for the newcoming generations because basically when you scale down the channel length, the channel lengths are becoming so narrow (and small) that only about 100 hundred dopant atoms fall inside the channel volume. This , obviously, increases the sensitivity and failure rate of these transistors, let alone their variations (like threshold voltages) in a single die.
From a mass production point of view, we want to get as uniform parameters as we can from a complete die. The ratio of successful ( uniform and working ) transistors to the total die area divided by a single transistor area ( which means the total number of transistors we wanted to harvest from that die ) gives us the `yield`.
Now, taking into account the fact that even a failure of a single transistor, could lead to the failure of an entire word line of an SRAM , the yield strongly influences the SRAM or chip reliability.
And for the companies, it does not matter whether you prepare the chip at room temperature but in a more sloppy way, because ultimately it is going to cost more !
Of course the need for extreme purity in nanoscale devices is not realized completely. The reason is that we have not produced those chips yet. However, these issues ( especially RDF and process variations- you can google these and see yourself) are very hot topics in LOW POWER VLSI design.
The people who work in these fields are surely aware of the need for an accurate fabrication and will just ignore this kind of work. There are some papers that try to reduce these effects only to succeed in a relatively low way.
In modern research, you can easily publish a paper by changing the slightest detail of a published paper or you can slightly vary this known application and claim that you have come up with a totally novel ida.
This is a draw-back.
In short, they are not going to make anything green, UNLESS of course, they find a better and reliable method satisfying the needs of the upcoming nanoscale devices.
Then I would shut up
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The reason I mentioned this is because zone refining of silicon to ultimately make large diameter single crystal wafers is an expensive and highly energy intensive process and is only worth it because the next wafer may well be used for CPUs or other integrated circuits.
It used to be that "nano" was the latest buzzword in materials research, so that anyone doing nano-stuff got funded because it sounded new and edgy. Maybe "green" is going to be the next one? Really what matters is cost - this could make things cheaper. The semiconductor industry doesn't care about being green. I detect more than a whiff of media-targeted spin in this research.
How about we go with the complexity of integrated circuits, with respect to minimum component cost, doubles every 24 months.
Bit of a difference. Doesn't have a huge impact on the story, but come on - anyone who reports on tech issues should at least have a better grasp of the basics than your average Digg-er.
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"This finding means that the industry's energy, and subsequent cost savings, could reduce the prices of electronic devices for consumers and, of course, create a positive environmental impact"
If this technology drives down prices on chips and more people use them, wouldn't the output (in the long run) from all these extra cheap devices more than offset the energy saved over conventional methods, thus creating a negative environmental impact.
The cost has more than doubled in the last year and a half. Many of the big players (Hemlock Semiconductor in Michigan is the world's biggest) are planning huge expansions, but it will take a few years. Right now they are all making a killing, and most of them are completely sold out for the next year. This is due to both increased demand (and waste) from the IC industry as it switches to 300mm, and because of a massive increase for solar applications.
Dr. Shanefield, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_J._Shanefield one of my profs in college, thought that most electronics would use plastic substrates in the near future. That was 10-12 years ago, so his timing may be off, but he is no less correct.
It's kind of funny to see stuff like this because it reminds me how industry folks tend to think about near term (5-10 years) and academic types tend to think long term (>10 years). Dr. Shanefield was definitely an industry guy.
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I dunno if I still am, but I was told I was allergic to soy as a kid. There's other compelling reasons not to consume it if you're male, the plant hormones are effectively estrogen. Anyway, have you tried almond milk? As long as it's cold, it's really quite good. If it's warm, it tastes horrible, so drink it cold. I put it on granola, which is really tasty, even if it proves that I'm some kind of post-hippie.
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Reminds me of my mom who used to hang the clothes out to dry in the sun's UV. Now we'll do that for our chips. Clothes line technology will have new life!
If it's warm, it tastes horrible, so drink it cold.
Yes, I rather liked almond milk, then again I like almonds though I prefer amaretto and pistachios. However I don't, er didn't drink it plain, I used it when making espresso.
FalconShould there be a Law?
It's beans. SoyMilk Green is made out of beans. They're making our food out of beans. Next thing they'll be breeding them like cattle for food. You've gotta tell them. You've gotta tell them!
.... BEANS!!!?! IT'S MADE OF BEANS!
OH MY GOD!!! SoyMilk Green is made of
Alright, so it just doesn't have the same impact as "people!", does it?
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It's just not reported on. I personally know that it's been a viable technology for several years.
For instance, see http://www.uvtechsystems.com./