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But if you feel like building it yourself, be my guest.

Jeez. What is going on with the quality of the Ask Slashdot questions these days?

What next? "I'm J.Random Hax0R and I thought that I should get my own 3733t L1nux shell setup on my 14.4k modem and like I've got this 486DX33 with 8MB of RAM and a SoundBlaster Pro card but I can't work out how to recompile my own kernel. Can somebody tell me how and give me the config file as well? Greetz to Scr1ptK1dd1es and MrHax0RXtreme"

The Gimp Wiki has plenty of information on how to compile Gimp for Windows so it's not exactly like the knowledge is particularly well hidden or proprietory. The relevant Wiki page is here. Is it so hard for somebody these days to even attempt to read the manual/documentation or search themselves?

Who needs to think when we can just Ask Slashdot! We'll use the collective minds of several million people to work out how to use Google to search for steps to compile Gimp under Windows...

The GIMP wiki has a full page on building GIMP using MinGW here.

Not something that is worthy of an Ask Slashdot in my opinion, but we're here to help I guess. Also, check out the #gimp channel on irc.gimp.org for some help.

-Tukon
Stating the obvious.

"...an installer made by a third party, hosted on a free web hosting service?"

Here is a GIMP screenshot from 1997...

You're being serious? Did your GIMP installation look anything like this? Hint: The toolbox is the main active window, highlighted with dark green on the titlebar.
I've been using Photoshop for a while, but I feel that the GIMP functions superbly as a graphics app, and follows general standards...

I'm surprised redhat has stuck with gnome this long as their DE of choice. It is more usable, and that's why I am glad personally they have.

With so many of the gtk programs riviling the qt equivalents, I wonder why companies always flock towards Qt.

Straight Line Tutorial.

And the dpi can be calculated easly enough, if you have a ruler.

As an owner of a Dual AthlonMP 2800+ rig, I can tell you that the extra $1000 for the SMP would be worth it...once you go SMP you can never go back. And SMP should be an extra $1000 (unless you can only get SMP on the highest end G5 and compare that price against a slightly lower end model). All in all it only cost me about $300 more for the SMP system ($70 more for the board + $100 for the extra proc + $30 for the extra HSF + $100 more for the RAM since the board only takes Registered ECC).

Having two oggencs running at once both chugging along at 14x realtime while the system remains responsive (because, at that speed, it is the speed of my hard disk that is limiting things...14x = ~14 MB/s being processed, * 2 = ~28M per second being pulled from the hard drive after being pulled off of a CD) so I still have enough CPU time left for everything else.

Being able to rip a DVD to XViD + Vorbis and watching that rip while it is being encoded is also really nice. Or playing Quake 2 while running a three pass encode. Ardour and The GIMP love me more too. SMP is just plain cool. I need more RAM though...GCC 3.x eats RAM while compiling C++ so having two copies of GCC both using 700M stresses my system a bit (since I only have 1G of RAM). Otherwise everything is really responsive.

Dear Moderators: Please don't moderate this comment. I turned off the karma bonus because I know it is off topic and wish for it to be ignored by most people.

Never really heard of anyone using FrameMaker, but most of these large production-grade applications out there have open-source equivalents that are as good if not better. Even if Adobe was to drop Mac upgrades/support for Photoshop (read, suicide) -- you can always run Gimp instead.

Could anyone recommend a good tutorial for photo touch-up using the GIMP?

Try gimpguru and the gimp.org tutorials.

here is a link

This is the development version of The Gimp. It will open a console (MS-DOS) window when it's run to display debugging messages. Do not close this window.

It is highly recommended to update GTK2 to the newest version before installing Gimp 2.0pre4, as some bugs have been fixed since the last release.

Note: The Gimp binary available from this page was compiled for Pentium MMX or better CPUs.

GTK+ 2 for Windows (version 2.2.4-20040124) 3619 kB GTK+ 2 runtime environment. This package is required by The Gimp 2.0.
MirrorFTPHTTPProvided by ftp.arnes.si Download - Academic and research network Of Slovenia ftp.flamingtext.com Download - FlamingText --> files.akl.lt Download Download Atviras kodas Lietuvai ftp.freenet.de Download Download freenet.de --> The Gimp for Windows (version 2.0pre4) 6807 kB Gimp 2.0pre4 for Windows.
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Warning: both these plug-ins are considered unstable.
Note: Due to a problem with the GTK+ installer, the FreeType plug-in will not work, unless you copy the file freetype-6.dll to freetype6.dll in C:\Program Files\Common Files\GTK\2.0\bin\ folder.
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If you wish to compile plug-ins for use with this Gimp version, you can get the development files here.

Development version download This is the development v

This is the development version of The Gimp. It will open a console (MS-DOS) window when it's run to display debugging messages. Do not close this window.

It is highly recommended to update GTK2 to the newest version before installing Gimp 2.0pre4, as some bugs have been fixed since the last release.

Note: The Gimp binary available from this page was compiled for Pentium MMX or better CPUs.

GTK+ 2 for Windows (version 2.2.4-20040124) 3619 kB GTK+ 2 runtime environment. This package is required by The Gimp 2.0.
MirrorFTPHTTPProvided by ftp.arnes.si Download - Academic and research network Of Slovenia ftp.flamingtext.com Download - FlamingText --> files.akl.lt Download Download Atviras kodas Lietuvai ftp.freenet.de Download Download freenet.de --> The Gimp for Windows (version 2.0pre4) 6807 kB Gimp 2.0pre4 for Windows.
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Warning: both these plug-ins are considered unstable.
Note: Due to a problem with the GTK+ installer, the FreeType plug-in will not work, unless you copy the file freetype-6.dll to freetype6.dll in C:\Program Files\Common Files\GTK\2.0\bin\ folder.
MirrorFTPHTTPProvided by ftp.arnes.si Download - Academic and research network Of Slovenia -->

If you wish to compile plug-ins for use with this Gimp version, you can get the development files here.

Development version download This is the development v

Data stored in EXIF tags by digital cameras are now handled in read and write mode for JPEG files.

You could always draw straight lines with a minimum of trouble.

Still no proper CMYK support? I'll keep my Photoshop.

Thanks for Playing!

If you're really a GUI head you should be happier with The GIMP. A far better interface than Photoslop, and free to boot!

The availability of a free-as-in-beer compiler for Windows doesn't have as much of an impact on Windows programmers as you might think. In the free-software world, the good coders tend to work on the Linux kernel and such things. In the Windows world, the good coders tend to want money for their work. Which means that the people left to develop freeware (i.e. free-as-in-beer, not-usually-free-as-in-speech software) are...

The not-so-good coders. The coders who would just look at you funny if you suggested that they use a command-line tool.

Sure, there are exceptions, like the excellent IrfanView and of course the wonderful (and also free-as-in-speech!) utility CDEX, and of course many "cross-platform" projects like Audacity and The GIMP (many of which originated in the Linux/Unix world anyhow)... buuuut... the majority of the freeware coders in the Windows world tend to be those who couldn't easily make a living off of their code.

You have to remember that the CULTURE in the Windows world is not like that of the Linux world...

While we're on the topic of comparative culture (drifting rapidly off-topic here, but...), please note that in Windows-land, money is a much stronger motivator. Additionally, in Windows-land, conformity is a lot more prevalent. You still see Unix coders who prefer some obscure clone of EMACS or vi, or an even more obscure editor no one's heard of, or one they wrote themselves. Windows people tend to write their papers in MS Word, and only MS Word... because that's what everyone else uses. It is a more conformist culture (this isn't a judgment, it's simply a fact!)

I am, at this very moment, editing a letter using GNU nano and a CGI I scripted in Perl to format it nicely for printing and/or PDFing. I'm not using MS Office, or even OpenOffice. And there are gajillions of people using "weird" or otherwise obscure solutions like that throughout the Unix world. In Windows-land, a weird approach like that would just get you funny looks. Like I said-- differences in culture...

Is anyone aware of OSS products similar to this?

Gnome/GTK+ is available for Win32, although not as neatly packaged as for X11. Dropline has some Win32 packages that are easy to install. Tor Lillqvist has created some packages that a useful in conjunction with the MingGW environment. I believe that there is a Cygwin Project as well (see here but I can't testify as to its status. If you need an IDE, the Bloodshed IDE, Dev-C++, can download GTK+ packages for use within the IDE, and can help you automate integrating GTK+ in your apps. See here for information on the IDE.

Gnome/GTK+ is GPL'd and truly "free software". wxWindows is another option, but someone has already posted regarding that, so I'll leave it to you to investigate your options and decide which you like best.

A downside to QT is that it is not free under windows. While this might be okay with companies, if you ever considered writing crossplatform OSS programs, this can hamper things. There is a project porting the X11 version to windows, so its not a complete roadblock..

Of course there is always GTK which has been known to also run under windows and OS X. It is not my intention to start any flamewars -- I am just pointing out that for those in favour of either toolkit there is plenty of crossplatformability.

If either TK holds any major advantage its that GTK+ natively supports C code, but also has C++ bindings. The signalmm library that came out of gtkmm is actually really nice, and usable for other projects. However, in that case don't forget about boost, which also contains a signal library, not to mention a *really* nice interface to python (which I'm currently using in a project). Just be warned, you need a fast computer for compiling.

No photoshop? No big deal, there's a new gimp. gimp

you can always use gimp untill PS is ported (but IMO, gimp is a PS replacement)

Not that I am in any way disparaging The GIMP, which is awesome, but the PHBs and CXOs only know Illustrator and PhotoShop...

You raise an interesting point. In my personal experience stress resulting from computer technology largely depends on the software I was running at the time. A {windowmanager,desktop,GUI} which reacts too slow can cause stress for me. I believe that less is sometimes more in this case. A small, lightweight window manager, properly configured, reacting fast is alleviate much of the stress. Interestingly enough the GUI of the graphics program GIMP sped up my work on images tremendously, once I got a window manager which supported tabs so that I could group utility windows together, thus taking up less screen space.

Now an argument for the "other side". The integrated work environments (KDE, Gnome) when providing coherent interfaces can also speed up work, alleviating stress.

All in all however, technology is only a small contributor to my stress levels.

The GIMP's plugin is called Digital Signature. Looks pretty neat.

Actually there is a version of gimp for win32. Gimp for Windows It uses GTK even... There is even a nicely packaged version for those unwilling brave a .zip file here.

These are up to Gimp 2.0 pre2.

Cheers,
Joe

Ha! on this screenshot, I notice that they have the all imporant toilet paper template... a must have. :)

Yeah, definately one of the most annoying things about gimp for me, but they've made it so the brush becomes your cursor now if you want, it's a config option.

My initial reaction to these icons was simply utter disgust. I snapped the tab closed and tried to repress the whole thing.

Generally, when something's announced on Slashdot, I assume it's something new or exciting; if it's for something like an icon theme(?!) on an obsolete OS, I foolishly assumed it would at the least be eye candy.

Anyway, the whole situation reminded me to be oh-so-thankful for the graphic artists working for FOSS projects. My personal favorites are tigert and jimmac for who the gnome project owes most of their icons.

When you have to use icons plastered on all your widgets everyday, be happy they didn't come from a broken time machine.

If you haven't tried out Open Source software yet (shame on you, why are you reading slashdot then) then its time to try some.

Start off by trying an open source web browser, such as firefox. I have personally installed it on several machines, and it works wonders.

Then try some more software, Such as Gimp, OpenOffice, 7Zip.

If you liked that software, then you may Like to try e Linux, the Open Source Operating System! It even works on Macs too! See how easy to use and reliable open source is. Try Mandrake or Fedora as they are both good versions of Linux.

You may be interested in this.. Anyway, Linux has been better for Porn downloads for ages. Get mplayer, konqueror, and of course the gimp.

It almost goes without saying that you should look at the GIMP and perhaps also look at CinePaint. Make sure to compile and inlude more extra plugins. Also make absolutely sure to set the gimp to run using the --no-data and other options to make it as fast as possible.

I would aslo highly recommend Inkscape for Vector Graphics. Inkscape is a recent fork of the Sodipoid codesbase and has a much more user friendly interface.

I have not met one person in my life who has used both GIMP and PS for serious work that would actually argue that GIMP approaches PS in features, ease of use, or polish. I have used both extensively, and I can say quite authoritatively that GIMP simply doesn't cut it for many things I do graphically (and I'm not even a professional graphic artist, I just design web pages on occaison). All my professional friends who do graphics works agree with me on this point.

I use Firebird, Thunderbird, Apache, FreeBSD, Linux, and many other open source products *when they are right for the job* and because I believe they are actually better than their closed-source competitors. GIMP is a nice program, but it is emphatically *not* on par with PS.

See here:

http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/

Many people do find GIMP very useful. But it is not a Photoshop killer (for professional Photoshop users, that is). Photoshop has lots of features that the GIMP lacks.

Enough said.

-Dan

* It can't sound like something nasty
* It can't mean something nasty in some other

The sooner the GIMP gets a dignified name the better if you ask me.

Yes we have. As I understood it, Microsoft has pretty much let the Core Fonts out to the wild, much to the dismay of Monotype and other companies who created the fonts... The license allows free distribution in unmodified form.

But there's also Times, which is a standard PostScript font. A crappy bitmap version ships with X11. You can buy a PS version of the font from Adobe, I think. There's a magnificent free version, URW Times, which is pretty damn good. I guess nobody will notice the difference unless they look really hard - the typeface hasn't changed that much since 1930s or so, and you can always explain the slight rendering differences with "oh yeah, this Linux stuff is still beta, I won't get 100% accurate rendering anyway". In short, cheat. =)

Very clever machine, but what an unusual choice of location for such an embedded device.

What next, a computer for your ball-gag ? Or maybe running GIMP on your GIMP ???

God! You people! C!?! Assembly?!? WTF?!?

If he wants to learn how to create games, he needs to see how they're assembled. Hand-writing a console-mode checkers or tic-tac-toe in assembly isn't going to show him squat about how modern games are put together.

Give him this link, download the cheap (or free) version and have at it. Also download this and this so he can do things like create sprites and graphical models (free tutorials abound, use google).

Once he can get through a few 3dRad tutorials likethis one, he will be ready to tackle this book on game programming in C++.

Maybe a lot, but it's winter; what else is he gonna do besides stay inside watching tv?

My overall impression is that GIMP has been designed by highly qualified geeks, but geeks nevertheless. I think it would benefit immensly from a usability expert input. A number of solutions chosen is far from intuitive. While the overall capabilities of GIMP are excellent, it takes some getting-used-to time. Once the initial "who the hell thought that right click plus Ctrl is a natural solution for this operation" types of experiences are over, you might be pleasantly surprised by the power of GIMP. Overall, this is one software that I woulde definitely recomment reading books or tutorials before using it. Ah, and yes, I find that 1.3 series and now 2.0 release candidates have some improvements in usability over 1.2 version. Dockable dialogs and a much better menu systems just to name a few ...

For the record, I know other posters have flamed GIMP for usability, but I find it adaquate for my occasional (perhaps once a month) phot manipulation needs.

Some one discovered The gimp

<a href="http://manual.gimp.org/">The GIMP Manual</a>

I would agree that the multiple tool windows is probably my biggest gripe with the current stable series of gimp. But according to the screenshots page they have made it so you can dock the toolbars together, making what appears to be something like a super-toolbar, e.g. the tools/brushes/patterns/options/etc all in one toolbar that can be re-arranged. If it works like I'm dreaming it will, then the days of lost toolbars under windows should be behind us.

> Is there a version 2.0 for win32 ?

Apparently, the 1.3.22 development version *is* the same thing as the 2.0 beta. You can get it from the following url:
http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WindowsInstall

It's a bit annoying. You have to download a whole bunch of zip files listed there and put them into a directory like C:\gimp. Then, you have to unzip them (preserving directory structure). After that, you have to add c:\gimp\bin and c:\gimp\lib to the system path, and you'll have to rename some misnamed DLL files (the instructions only tell you about some of them, but gimp-1.3.exe will tell you which ones are missine), and you might have to search the web for a copy of msvcr70.dll (I had to), and keep in mind that they direct link to the 1.2 version of gettext, but the file isn't there. Just look in the directory from which the file is linked, and you'll find the 1.3 version of gettext, and that'll work.

A lot of effort to get it to work. Looks pretty cool, though. Still, I hate it when an app doesn't provide an optional MDI. I have too many task buttons on my taskbar as it is!

--
-JC
coder
http://www.jc-news.com/parse.cgi?coding/main

So please, give it a try before you bitch about it.

The latest version of the GIMP available for Microsoft Windows operating systems is a 1.2.x.

And yes, I have given Linux a try, so per your comment, I assume that I likely have the right to female-dog. Last time I tried to install Mandrake (9.2 RC1), I couldn't get it to start X with my Radeon 9000 video card. When I selected Radeon in the installer's list of video cards and clicked Test, it "couldn't find a usable mode" or something like that). I don't feel Linux is worth running unaccelerated in 640x480 pixels with 16 colors (VGA driver). Should I wait for the next Knoppix to include this version of the GIMP?

The "big difference" is that instead of oppening the whole program, images and sibblings in a single window, The GIMP opens the toolboxes and images in separate windows. This allows a serious user to make an optimal use of the multiple desktops avaliable in almost all window manager for X11 out there.

Yes, the current interface of the GIMP (already much improved since the GIMP 1.x days) is very nice if you have a window manager that provides multiple desktops or virtual workspaces. This is good for most Unix users with modern window managers. But it is not as easy to use under Windows because all applications have to share the same workspace. An option for some users is to install some third-party Windows software that provides multiple virtual workspaces, but some users cannot or do not want to install such software.

In any case, even if the current interface is still not ideal when you do not have multiple workspaces, it is easier to use than the 1.x versions. And the best way to know if The GIMP is difficult to use or not is to try it yourself! You may also want to read some books such as Grokking the GIMP. That book was written for GIMP 1.2 and the interface has changed since then, but most of the concepts are still valid so it provides a good introduction to the GIMP.

There are several screenshots of version 1.3 (pre-2.0) of the GIMP on the developer's site: http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots.html.

Other screenshots of version 2.0 will be available later, when the new GIMP web site goes live.

but to license yourself a copy of Photo$hop CS you'll probably need to print money anyway, how secure is it, could you segment the image and then re-assemble it later and save, or is writing money forbidden too?

of course, this kind of limitation isn't present in TheGIMP, and it's not the kind of thing i'd expect to see implemented in an OSS app any time soon either :D

The GNOMEPro mockup looks even more like the NeXT file selector. Take "Favorite Locations" and put it horizontally on top to become the shelf. Use scroll bars instead of those useless scroll button things at either end. The clickable pathname elements are virtually identical to NeXT's scrollable pane with folder icons, only slightly less functional. And there's only one level of folder listing instead of the multiple levels of context that NeXT provides. But the essential elements are pretty much the same.

As other posters have mentioned, why reinvent what's already been designed well, only poorly?

(Tigert's mockup didn't come out well at all; the antialiased text has been color-quantized to the point where it's illegible. I expect more from someone with Tigert's reputation.)

Of course. Afterall, GIMP Is Mot Photoshop.