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Here's your software replacements:

3DS Max, Photoshop,Illustrator,sampling software, looping software, midi software, etc.

Sorry it took me so long to write them all!

An application that runs pretty much everywhere (Linux, Windows AND MacOSX)

A modern C++ based toolkit

You have only a tiny fraction of potential customers

You have to confront the pains of GTK+ which are lack of tools, documentation and an modern API

Begun, the flame wars have.

Bingo.

I think the inclusion of one [major free X11 desktop environment] over the other should NOT be made primarily on Religious/political grounds, but on Technical ones.

Issues that some might characterize as "Religious/political" may more precisely be "economic." Perens would have one believe that it's less expensive to build and deploy an in-house GTK+ app than an in-house Qt app. If an app contains trade secrets, then GTK+'s weaker copyleft lets the app stay in-house, whereas Qt Proprietary costs four figures per developer per version, and Qt Free gives your employees the right to leak anything produced using it. In addition, even for apps that don't bear trade secrets, GTK+ is ported natively to a particular immensely popular proprietary operating system, whereas Qt Free needs the heavyweight Cygwin layer.

Photoshop anyone?

No, thanks. Millions of users, businesses, and countries have switched to the GIMP. Perhaps they got tired of paying $700 for Adobe's feature-poor, bug-ridden implementation of the GIMP.

Sincerely,
Seth Finklestein
Open Source Software Integrator and Consulting Programmer for Hire

BTW, the title "Gimp" is not derogatory -- it stands for Gnu Image Manipulation Program.

This would be very handy to me, since I use XP for Video

Transcode,
Cinelerra, ...

Photo Editing,

Gimp, ...

Gaming

Nethack :)

Try again... What do you need windows for?

Hmm, there's no GTK+ for Windows? Or for Macintosh? I guess these pages are just jokes then.

Qt may indeed be a more mature development environment than Gnome, but now that there are native GTK+ ports to both Windows and MacOS, it should be relatively trivial to get any gnome app working on either - More so MacOSX than Windows, which is already known to run all that stuff; the only new piece is the native GTK+.

GIMP 1.3.23 is also out today.
It is expected to be the last release before the 2.0 pre-release cicle starts (and strings are frozen for translators to work on them)

Download mirrors are here

So write an MSWord document filter module as a plugin for your GPL application, and require a separate download from your main GPL application for that plugin. I think that's how the GIMP got around the .GIF patent issue.

How many of those links go to sites maintained by volunteers who took over a project after the originators pulled out?

The original post should have included it. I'm not sure what a Gimp is, but they look playful, like they would make good pets. Then again, one would think the cute Nibbler would make a nice pet, until it started to swallow things.

Do they know how many art students and new graphic artists take a copy home to learn how to properly use this application that will now be limited to what they can learn in the shop? How do they think they got ahead of Quark and their like in the first place? They are not going to buy a new version, they cannot afford it. Hence the term struggling artists. I hope they enjoy a year or two without people upgrading and super low new features use. What scumbags. Casual copying was their greatest selling point. Why do they think they get recommended so often by employees? It's because they have a pirated copy at home and they liked it. Let see if GIMP gets a kick in the pants now, we need a good option.

Its time to promote open source, and for people to improve it.

Photoshop = Gimp, the lastest version is much improved, with a DECENT GUI, masking layers, the beginings of CMYK support and much much more. There is no need to complain about the gimp, and if you need a feature that is not there, Then you can help. Also check out the gegl project, which will add much wanted stuff such has weird colourspaces and 48-bit support

Illistrator = Karbon. Sodipodi is nice, but its designed as an SVG editor only, Karbon has a more illistrator like interface and supports more file formats. As usual, give feedback, its how open source improves.

InDesign = Scribus. A powerful DTP application, its a lot to explain on this page, so go and read the page and don't forget to help.

GoLive = Quanta. Quanta is the best OpenSource Website creator. Support for wysiwyg is in the CVS, so help them out ;).

I use these tools everyday and FOR PRODUCTION work, remember don't complain on slashdot about $APP dosen't have $FEATRURE. Either help fix it if you can program, or submit a feature request in bugzilla. I have several times and gotten the features I wanted. So, if you are tired of Adobe lock in, then help open source.

Its time to promote open source, and for people to improve it.

Photoshop = Gimp, the lastest version is much improved, with a DECENT GUI, masking layers, the beginings of CMYK support and much much more. There is no need to complain about the gimp, and if you need a feature that is not there, Then you can help. Also check out the gegl project, which will add much wanted stuff such has weird colourspaces and 48-bit support

Illistrator = Karbon. Sodipodi is nice, but its designed as an SVG editor only, Karbon has a more illistrator like interface and supports more file formats. As usual, give feedback, its how open source improves.

InDesign = Scribus. A powerful DTP application, its a lot to explain on this page, so go and read the page and don't forget to help.

GoLive = Quanta. Quanta is the best OpenSource Website creator. Support for wysiwyg is in the CVS, so help them out ;).

I use these tools everyday and FOR PRODUCTION work, remember don't complain on slashdot about $APP dosen't have $FEATRURE. Either help fix it if you can program, or submit a feature request in bugzilla. I have several times and gotten the features I wanted. So, if you are tired of Adobe lock in, then help open source.

Do you think the people who sell multi-thousand dollar ads using Photoshop give a crap about the $900 sticker price? The bus is cheaper than my car, but you don't see me on the bus, do you? Spring for the professional software that lets you forget about all the meaningless things like tweaking the hundred-thousand line source code and focus on delivering what your customers want.

Sure, assuming everyone who needs to use a graphics program is up to their eyeballs in these thousand dollar contracts, then yeah, invest in your tools.

But this is like saying "There's no need for bus service since people who need transportation to work can afford a car." Some don't work. Some work but don't make enough to buy a car. Some don't want a car. Some aren't going to work. And a few actually like *being* on a bus.

Today, creating art is not the exclusive realm of professional artists, nor should it be. For many, expensive art software is simply beyond what they can justify for their modest needs. But There simply aren't a lot of alternatives to Adobe.

Without programs like Sodipodi and The GIMP, the choice wouldn't be between a car and a bus but between buying (or stealing) a car or not being able to go anywhere at all.

As to complaints about the community nature of open source development, think about it like this. Community software is like going to a potluck at your friend's house. Instead of having to pay $60 for a dinner at a restaraunt, you get the food for free, but the catch is that you're expected to bring something to share. If you like making stuff, it gives you a chance to show off your skill. A potluck may not be as convenient as a restaraunt but can be a lot more fulfilling and fun.

While I would love to see it be true, I doubt that software like Gimp, Sodipodi, Open Office, Linux, and so forth would ever completely replace proprietary alternatives. If nothing else, professionals will always need to have that edge beyond what 'the masses' can do, and will be more than willing to invest in obtaining that edge. But I think it is critical that we also have the alternatives freely available for those who can't have or don't want the dominant player.

There's always Paintshop Pro if you MUST go the commercial route, and for the tinkerers who don't use a lot of PS functions, there's always The GIMP.

I was considering switching to Paintshop Pro anyway, and Adobe pulling this shit... Well, it's just another in a long line of transgressions that show they're assholes and deserve to lose customers. (Dmitry Skylarov anyone?)

Shuft the FUCK up. How about you LEARN how to use the software before flamign it. I find GIMP EXTREMELY usable and EXTREMELY powerful. READ, BITCH, READ!

The GIMP is an alternative to Photoshop.

It is free.

With that unbeatable price, you even get the source code !

If there's a bug, you can do the debugging yourself.

Plus, if you think you wanna tweak the code to your own liking, you can do it.

With photoshop, you don't get the source code.

Plus, if you want a legal copy, be prepared to fork over your hard earned money.

Also, if you find a bug, you can't do anything about it, because you are at the mercy of Adobe.

So why are you using Photoshop ?

Download GIMP now !

You won't regret it.

Ever !

Adobe Photoshop is an image editing and manipulation package, originally used for retouching photos (hence the name) but nowadays capable of vastly more. For years it's been the standard for 2D graphical work in design, graphics and DTP, and with QuarkXpress* was part of the reason for the success of the Mac in those fields (there were no PC versions originally). Practically any professional graphics you see nowadays has had Photoshop used on it somewhere. Other programs offer some of the functionality - Paint Shop Pro, and The GIMP which aims to be an open-source Photoshop equivalent - and does pretty well for a lot of things - but Photoshop is still the professional standard.

(* QuarkXPress is pretty much the standard page layout package, most newspapers use it. It too was for a long time only available for the Mac.)

Without a doubt, for an office suite, use OpenOffice.org

To be honest when it come to web browsing, email and news, I am happy with the Internet Explorer suite

I am also happy with Media Player as well

For a popup blocker, I use PopupPopper

For a download manager, I use LeechGet 2003

All over system tweaking, X-teq X Setup

For graphics manipulation, go forGIMP for Win32

Unfortunatelty the GIMP is not viewer friendly, so as a viewer (even though it is nagware), I like Poylview

Page defrag I automatically starts up each reboot

For compression decompression, use UltimateZip

"I'm buying a new mid-grade laptop computer, which I plan to dual-boot between Windows XP Home and Mandrake 9.x. Before its arrival in a few weeks I'm trying to think of what 'essential' software I'll need to make a usable home system. In general I'd like to spend as little money as possible (free is good). As far as my needs, think 'typical family PC' without an emphasis on gaming. I know I can get something like Open Office for word processing, presentation, etc. needs, but is there such a good thing as a good free virus checker? A good free email client? A handy web browser? What would you consider the top 10 (or so) pieces of software for a new home system, bearing in mind that I need software for both the Windows and Linux side of things?""

These are the files I keep on my "Esential CDs" that I bring around to help out other non-techs (Windows users) people. (Of course because they are financially broke after paying $200 for their Operating System, they want everything else to be free.) ;-)

Anti-Virus: The best free antivirus program I have found AVG Anti-Virus 6.0

Office Suite: (Word Processing, SpreadsThe quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
The quick brown fox jumped off the edge. The quick brown fox ran off with all his toysheet, Slideshows, etc.)
Open Office 1.1

CD/DVD data/audio Burner: (and doubles as a CD image creator .ISO and .CUE)
BurnAtOnce 0.99a

CD/DVD image loader/emulator (perfect for people who often misplace their CDs): (loads .ISO, .CUE, .CCD, .CDI etc. files without burning them)
DAEMON Tools 3.41

MultiMedia Player (Mpeg, Mp3, AVI, etc.)Winamp Classic 2.91

or for audio only Foobar 2000 0.7

Zip Extractor:Ultimate Zip or7 Zip 3.11

Download Accelerator:Star Downloader v1.42

Internet Browser: (other than IE) Mozilla 1.4 or Opera 6.20

System Statistics: (Motherboard, Memory, BIOS, Video, Software info, etc)AIDA32 3.80

E-mail (other than Outlook Express)Thunderbird 0.2 or Pegasus Mail 4.12

Spyware/Adware killer:Ad-aware 6 or Spybot Search & Destroy 1.2

Pop-up Killer/Browser Enhancer (for IE)Google Toolbar 2.0.102

PDF document reader:Adobe Acrobat 6.0

FTP program (other than IE and the command line FTP)Winsock FTP LE 5.08 or FileZilla 2.2.1

Internet Chat Programs (other than Windows Messenger)Gaim 0.70or Trillian Basic 0.74E

Firewall Software:ZoneAlarm 3.7.211

or if you have Highspeed Internet, a spare 200mhz PC, and two network cards laying around...ClarkConnect 2.0

CD Ripper / MP3 Creator CDex 1.51

Graphics Editor (other than Paint) The Gimp

Graphics viewer (other

• CygWin. The Linux-like environment for Windows.
  Mozilla. Use this for mail, news, and browsing if you like.
  Firebird. for FAST browsing.
  WS FTP Light. A FREE, FTP client that works great.
  Filezilla. which is TRULY free and does sftp as well.
  PuTTY. a free SSH client for Windows.
  TTSSH. is a much less clunky ssh client than PuTTY.
  iXplorer. freeware secure FTP client
  VNC hello!? remote controll software.
  Tight VNClike the original, only FAST.
  GNU-EMacs for Windows. just trust me ;).
  Dev-C++a free C++ compiler for those who can't afford VS.
  NetHack. as someone here said, you MUST have NetHack installed on everything...
  Free-AV.free Anti-Virus software for Windows, (mandatory these days). or
  AVG Free edition. another free Anti-Virus software for Windows.
  Zonealarm. my favorite Personal Firewall,, really!. or
  Kerio. another firewall that some seem to like. or
  Sygate. yet another firewall. whatever floats your boat.
  Boingo. to see where the closest hotspot is, hehe.
  OpenOffice 1.1 the Microsoft Office KILLER :) {really!}
  Winamp 2.x for audio/video usage in Windows, stay away from the new one :).
  Mark's Adding Machine is much better than the Windows calculator.
  SpyBot Search & Destroy The best Ad-ware / Spyware removal tool we've found, "IE is unusable without".
  Ad-Aware another spy-ware app "alas poor Windoze."
  Trillian a favorite IM, since we're all chatters @ heart. or
  GAIM since trillian hogs resources, "bad piggy!".
  Gimp image creation/editing. Who needs Photoshop anyway?
  EnZip freeware Zip Utility, Stop nagging you WinZip!!
  Iview is a great little image viewer. or
  Irfanviewone of the best image viewer out there for Windows.
  Audacity is a great little sound editor.
  Virtual Dub. a great video editor.
  cDex gotta rip those cd's for the RIAA!
  MAME for games, period. Free. You can buy some ROMs, or *ahem* ask around. and finally
  XPantiSPY since XP is E-V-I-L.

And FINALLY, don't trust me! Trust the experts;

Go to the Pricelessware site maintained by the alt.comp.freeware Usenet group.
The

These are some of the free (speech or beer) software I'd install on a family, non-gaming machine:

• Web Browser: Mozilla or Mozilla Firebird
• E-mail: Mozilla (cross-platform), Mozilla Thunderbird (cross-platform), Evolution (Gnome), or KMail (KDE)
• Office Suite: OpenOffice.org
• Media Player: QuickTime (Windows), Zinf (cross-platform), RealPlayer (cross-platform), WinAmp (Windows), MPlayer (Windows), XMMS (Linux)
• Image Viewer: IrfanView (Windows)
• Instant Messaging: Gaim (cross-platform)
• Personal Information Management: Palm Desktop Software (great PIM suite even if you don't own a Palm)
• Other: Acrobat Reader (although I'm weary of their DRM), Java 2 Runtime Environment, Macromedia Flash and Shockwave players, Ad-Aware (spyware remover for Windows), ZoneAlarm, Sygate Personal Firewall (firewall, alternative to ZoneAlarm), Grisoft AVG Anti-Virus, FileZilla, WinRAR (not free, shareware with nag window), Ofoto desktop software (basic photo album and touch-ups, even if you don't use Ofoto's online services)

Some other software I'd install on my own desktop (dev), in decreasing order of importance:

• Cygwin, bascially all packages
• UltraEdit32 (45-day trial shareware)
• TightVNC
• Ghostscript and GSView
• Java 2 SDK
• Eclipse
• Borland JBuilder Personal
• ActiveState Perl, Python, Tcl/Tk (yes, even though they are in Cygwin), Jython
• GIMP
• POV-Ray
• At least one of Apache, Tomcat, or Plone (Zope)
• HTTrack (a website copier)

Browser: Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 (or 0.7 nightly build)

Email: Thunderbird 0.2 (or 0.3 nightly build)

Office Suite: Open Office 1.1

SSH Client: Putty 0.53b

Graphics: Irfan View 3.85 or GIMP 1.2.5

Music: Winamp 2.91

Virus Scanner: AVG 7.0

Instant Messenger: Psi 0.9 or Trillian Basic 0.74E or gaim 0.70

Non-Copywrited Music downloads :P : WinMX 3.31

Video Player (paired with an ATI Video card): ATI MMC 7.6

FTP : LeapFTP 2.7.4

ok so that was 11 .. sorry ;)

AOL allows you to get "content" that you wouldn't be able to get anywhere else.
Gator allows all sorts of useful searching and ads on your computer.
MSN explorer A very nice web browser that takes over your whole web experience.
Webshots is a very nice background rotator that hogs bandwidth and proccesor time and whaterver else it does.
Weatherbug is a handy little sys-tray app that shows the weather, and watches your every move.


So if you are willing to listen to all the "help" given here on /. You will have the buggiest bulkiest computer there is.

Although some essential programs include...
xmms,Mozilla (most incarnations are great), Gimp (The best FREE image editor)
Also check out Easy URPMI for obtaining linux software.

Outside of Office software, Audacity is a great free audio editor

SciTE or the java-based Jedit are good text editors.

The GIMP is a good image editor, available here for Windows.

Mozilla or one of its components for mail/web browsing

For media playing you might want to try Zinf (formerly FreeAmp), Foobar2000 (nice light weight music player), WinAMP for Windows. MPlayer is a good video player for Linux (and Windows) and XMMS is a capable music player for Linux.

Celestia is a nice space exploration program.

Jabber is good for instant messaging or Trillian or GAIM if you need to chat on MSN, AIM, ICQ etc.

GNUCash is a capable accounting program.

Oh yeah, and for email, I suggest setting up an IMAP server on an old machine and using that to store your email. This can be quite difficult, though allows you to browse your email from Linux and Windows. Thunderbird is rock solid and good even though only in the early stages of development.

Irfanview - hands down the best image viewer out there for Windows. Free. Windows only (but will run under Wine if you want)

Gimp - if you want to edit images. Free. Linux and Windows.

MAME - for games, period. Free. You can buy some ROMs, or *ahem* ask around. Windows and Linux. (Xmame)

CDex - for CD ripping in Windows. Free. Windows only, but several good ripping programs are available for Linux. (search freshmeat)

GNUWin - a collection of free apps for Windows. Worth the download.

Audacity - if you want to create/edit sound files. Free. Linux and Windows.

Winamp - for listening to audio files. Free. Windows only. I like XMMS for Linux over Freeamp.

Opera - web browsing, email. Free. Windows and Linux. I prefer it over Mozilla, but not by much.

Well, for Browser or Mail, I highly recommend both Opera or Mozilla. Both will handle Mail and Browsing quite well, and a few other nifty things too.

I have used both, and there are features in both that I like... both are free, although one will display ads (Opera) until you purchase a copy.

I strongly suggest downloading a copy of both, and seeing which one you prefer.

If you want Graphics software for any arty things, try the GIMP, or if you want something a little more painty (ie; emulates real painting and drawing materials) Open Canvas is good. I guess it depends what your needs are when it comes to editing or creating pictures.

You are raising some interesting issues. Some of them are well-know, but some others (e.g. middle point for sliders) haven't been reported earlier, as far as I know.

Please try to report them in Bugzilla. This is the best way to make sure that the GIMP developers do not forget about these problems. Some of them already have their own bug report and there is no need to submit a duplicate bug report, but you can add some comments to the existing one if you think that you could give a better description of how some problems could be solved.

You can use bugzilla.gnome.org to report GIMP bugs or search for existing ones. Or you can use the friendly interface from bugs.gimp.org if the default interface to Bugzilla scares you.

You can get 1.3.x for Win32 though it's a bit of work to get it to run. The instructions there aren't 100% complete, meaning you'll have to hunt for a few DLLs. A few of them are just in the lib directory, while a few more are in Expat.

It's better than before, but still not great.

Well, I can tell you from a reliable source that the software used for maintaining the web site is a combination of CVS for storing all source files (module gimp-web in gnomecvs), good old hand-written XHTML for the contents of a pages, and a custom set of Python scripts for wrapping the page contents into the templates (header, footer, menu bar). Until a few weeks ago, the last part was done using Apache SSI, but now the pages are pre-processed by the scripts instead of requiring the web server to do all the work for every request.

If you want to know who worked on what part of the new GIMP web site, have a look at the team page or simply look at the ChangeLog after checking out the gimp-web module.

Another easy way to draw a straight line is to use the path tool then stroke the path. This even gives you more control over the line style as if you'd use the paintbrush.

Lots of mirrors here:

http://mmmaybe.gimp.org/downloads/

From this page which deals with telling "graphic designers" why they should switch...

"Gimp has a much smarter menu system that is far more efficient than theone present in Photoshop, or for that matter in all other image manipulation programs that we know of"
um. Wrong. Photoshop users 90% of the time also use Indesign, Illustrator, Imageready, Acrobat, or "some" other adobe product and all of them have a consistant interface with tools in the same or similar place, so moving to the GIMP could be a little confusing.

"Photoshop also has certain scripting capabilities, but it doesn't compare to the power of an advanced scripting language such as Perl. When it comes to scripting, we don't think it's unfair to compare Photoshop with a little baby and Gimp with a full-grown adult with 30 years of working experience. That's how big the difference is"
Graphic Designers are NOT programmers (usually) they are hired to make "shit look pretty" thats why most of photoshops scripts can actually just be recoreded like macros or scripted in simple text using simple "copy X - insert page - paste X" language

"Gimp can't handle anything other than 8 bit RGB, grayscale and indexed images. That's the big disadvantage of Gimp. Since Gimp doesn't support CMYK or spot colors such as PANTONE, Gimp can't compete with Photoshop in the prepress field.

Photoshop has more third-party plug-ins than Gimp. Yes, even though Gimp has around 220 real plug-ins at the moment and that number is constantly growing with around one plug-in every two weeks, there are still more plug-ins that you can buy as accessories to Photoshop, and they aren't available for Gimp.

Photoshop is also more effective (faster) when it comes to big images with a lot of layers (images bigger than 500x500 pixels)."
Are they really naive enough to think that a graphic designer would ONLY do webdesign and never be involved in the print area as well? Not to mention Photoshop also installs a program called Imageready which is what you use for webgraphics, if your using Photoshop by itself for webgraphics they are probably not animated and bloated in file size - Photoshop is more geared towards workign with print material where as Imageready is what we use for 500x500px type web stuff. Also my BIG pet-peeve with the GIMP is PANTONE! PANTONE! PANTONE! You know how many jobs for companies I get that use a specific pantone color in their logo? ALL OF THEM.

Sorry, I know some people here like the GIMP, but it's far inferior to Photoshop for Graphic Designers.

But what do I know - i'm not a programmer, not a IT monkey, and not a linux fan... I'm just a Graphic Designer. I'll just go back to my Apple and Windows machines now.

You got modded funny but I don't know if you really meant that as a joke. Just in case you honestly don't know and didn't bother to search for yourself, here's a link to the (rather sarcastic) tutorial

Gimp for Photoshop users
manual.gimp.org

Gimp for Photoshop users
manual.gimp.org

The GIMP is on the road for a 2.0 release that shall happen this year. Actually, this 1.3.21 release shall be the last one before the 2.0pre release series.

Do not miss the new GIMP site, taht will soon replace the contents in www.gimp.org: mmaybe.gimp.org .

Apparently, EXIF data is kept in JPEG files from version 1.3.16, which should be what you're after.

There is also a rudimentary plugin now which handles CMYK color separations here. Also, the MacGIMP site had a story on the SVG changes as well before it was posted on Slashdot.

I checked the GIMP for Windows website, and it seems 1.3.2 isn't out yet for us poor non-Windows users. Does anyone know when it'll be available?

The look of www.gimp.org will be changing.

• Ship with upto date software in the stable version!
• Stop using the Propeitery .deb package format and switch to rpm, the INDUSTRY STANDRARD AND IS REQUIRED FOR LSB COMPLIANCE!
• GUI installer, wtih NO POLITCAL TAUNTS IN THE README
• BAN ALL RTFM REPLYING USERS FROM THE HELP FORUMS!

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Wine (not sure if straight wine, or one of the comercial versions) runs photoshop.

They might get some use for the GIMP too. It isn't as good as Photoshop, but it is free and does some useful things. Rumor is they are modifying a spcial animation version specific your movie studio use, but I couldn't find any links to confirm that so I'll leave it as a rumor.

GTK exists because Motif was not widely available to the potential users of GIMP. GIMP had originally been written using Motif, and then GTK was written to replace Motif so that GIMP would not have a dependency on non-free software.

And also because (by their own admission) the GIMP authors didn't know Motif that well, and thought it would be easier to just write their own toolkit that only did the few things they needed: GTK was never intended to be general-purpose.

Fast forward a few years, and GTK has bloated out to do all the things that Motif did, from i18n on down.

Gigantic waste of effort. Colossal.

You can read their own summary of the history on gimp.org.

There is a GTK+ port for Windows. I don't personally do any Windows development.

Have you tried Gimp 1.3.20? Eveybody knows that gimp 1.2 sucks, but Gimp 1.3.20 is actually very good. Its got CMYK support now, and many other advanced features. Ive know several PROFESSIONAL graphics designers that are concidering changing to it. So before badmouthing gimp please try the Bleeding edge version, and if you need a feature thats not included, add it to the Wish list.

Download it from the gimp site. You WILL be impressed.

Poor Man's Photoshop Elements and Poor Man's Office do only cost a dollar once I've burned them onto a CD-R disc.

forget that - what about when I run the GIMP and am face-to-face with Wilbur?