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and neither is this guy. He's done his research and it's pretty well backed up. You can read about it on his site and in his book (you could probably pirate it if you can't bear to give money to him). The theory is that Hilary was too shocked at losing to challenge the results.

One thing I _am_ sure of is this: Dems need to win by large margins. At least 1.5-3% (yes, in a 2 party system that's 'large', such is the nature of statistics). Dems need to win by enough that shenanigans are too obvious. Either that or you need to do what Obama did: Send lawyers. Lots and lots of Lawyers. In the run up to his first win nobody could figure out what the hell he was doing sitting on all his campaign funds. Then two weeks before election 2000+ lawyers descended on Florida. Obama took Florida. Hilary did not.

has been covering voting shenanigans since 2000. He spoke to WMNF(.org) news on 6 July about his investigation into this farce of an integrity project. His website.

You can be 100% sure that any "investigations" in Florida will not be directed at learning how Jeb Bush rigged the elections in Florida in 2000 to help his brother become President.
Web search for: Greg Palast Florida 2000
LINK

You ought to be shocked at the original purpose of those laws: Segregationist states in the former Confederacy were preventing blacks from registering to vote (which also kept them off juries), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... by methods including killing them if they tried to as late as 1963 vote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... In 2000, the Florida Secretary of State eliminated enough black voters from the voting rolls, by falsely accusing them of being felons, to give the vote, and the presidency, to George W. Bush. http://www.gregpalast.com/flor... So black voters are denied the right to vote, in violation of the constitution, even today. That's the purpose of the picture ID laws.

Racism benefited the Democratic Party, while the Democratic Party was the party of racism. When the Democratic Party tried to reform itself, by giving constitutional rights to blacks, the Republican Party opportunistically took their place as the party of racism. Good for the Republicans, bad for America.

There are two writers who do the best reporting regarding the vast, and provable election fraud going on in the US regarding electronic voting and voter rights: They are Brad Friedman and Greg Palast.

Here are their sites:

http://www.bradblog.com/

http://www.gregpalast.com/

But don't blame me if what you read there makes you put your head through your computer monitor.

Palast is one kick ass journo. Check him if you don't know his work. http://www.gregpalast.com/

I've been on his email list for a while - nothing I've read there has inspired me to invest time or money into any of his books.

Here's a recent example: http://www.gregpalast.com/the-golden-dawn-murder-case-larry-summers-and-the-new-fascism/

It's apparently how international debt has led to violence in Greece, but he doesn't mention the "real culprits" until 14 paragraphs in. Prior to that, we get a mention of his investigation (*everything* from Palast includes something about Palast), and several side trips, including into the Oklahoma City bombing. And after that we get a fairy tale, but few actual details from whatever he was investigating.

Disorganized seems almost a kind term. His style doesn't seem to be aimed at convincing or informing - I'm not sure what his goal is sometimes.

"Russia Today .. is also meant to amplify the self-doubts of Europeans and Americans who have been forced by recent events to wonder if their own countries -- like Russia and China -- are corrupt and in the grip of a pervasive intelligence apparatus".

Without the pretext of the Cold War, it is patently obvious that the US is continuing its war on Democracy ..

American Power and the New Mandarins

Imperial Ambitions

Vulture Fund Threat to Third World

That's not the way Greg Palast, who produced the story for the BBC, described it.

http://www.gregpalast.com/floridas-flawed-voter-cleansing-program-saloncoms-politics-story-of-the-year/
But most counties appear to have used the file as a resource to purge names from their voter rolls, with some counties making little -- or no -- effort at all to alert the "purged" voters.

Etta Rosado, spokeswoman for the Volusia County Department of Elections, said the county essentially accepted the file at face value, did nothing to confirm the accuracy of it and doesn't inform citizens ahead of time that they have been dropped from the voter rolls.

"I don't think that it's up to us to tell them they're a convicted felon," Rosado said. "If he's on our rolls, we make a notation on there. If they show up at a polling place, we'll say, 'Wait a minute, you're a convicted felon, you can't vote. Nine out of 10 times when we repeat that to the person, they say 'Thank you' and walk away.

They don't put up arguments." Rosado doesn't know how many people in Volusia were dropped from the list as a result of being identified as felons.

Many Orange County voters never got the chance to appeal in any form. Condrun noted that about one-third of the letters, which the county sent out by regular mail, were returned to the office marked undeliverable. She attributed the high rate of incorrect addresses to the age of the information sent by DBT, some of which was close to 20 years old, she said.

A Republican administration in Florida prevented enough black voters from voting to swing the election for Bush. ChoicePoint deliberately targeted blacks. Over half the purged voters were black. ChoicePoint didn't do a similar analysis of hispanic names, because the Cubans voted Republican. It is well known that the Republican state legislatures around the country have a strategy of Gerrymandering districts to prevent blacks from influencing elections.

Florida was a slave state and a Jim Crow state that didn't let blacks vote at all until they were forced to by the voting right act in the 1960s. They're still a racist, Jim Crow state.

Zimmerman was tried for the killing of a black man by an all-white jury, and as always happens in those cases, the jury found him innocent. When was the last time a white man was convicted of killing a black man in Florida?

P.S. My parents went to Florida in the 1940s. My mother told me that she was riding on a bus, and she saw a pregnant black woman standing. She got up to give the black woman her seat, and pandemonium ensued. The black woman got off the bus.

Pffft - the election's already stolen, and none of you seem to give a shit...
http://www.gregpalast.com/ballotbandits/
Just like last time.

You are very selective in the conspiracies you choose to decry.

Why aren't you up in arms about things like Big Pharma's focus on peddling more pills rather than finding genuine cures?

What about Big Oil's lies concerning not just AGW (did you know of Exxon's support up to the early 2000s for think tanks and research that denies global warming?), but disasters like Deepwater Horizon?

You're so outraged over Big Government. Yes, bash them hard over tax loopholes. But what about Little Government? For instance, many local governments have engaged in parking meter and red light camera programs of dubious merit that whatever else they are claimed to accomplish, extract quite a bit of money from the public. Many universities and colleges are even more notorious for strict parking enforcement. There's also a classic taxation without representation many have jumped on: special sales taxes for motel rooms, rental cars, and other things that hit travelers only. US sales taxes are under 10% for most items. But for rooms and rental cars, 15% or more is typical.

Speaking of government, what about attempts to rig elections, such as voter caging?

Then there is Big Finance. Madoff is the only perp who has been locked up. The rest of them got off with pathetically small fines. Some even got a free bailout. Why is Goldman Sachs still in business, still paying their executives obscene bonuses? Why is Mozilo not behind bars?

What about Big Media and piracy? Hollywood Accounting, and lobbying for laws like DMCA, SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, and the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998?

But you put your energies towards calling out this supposed great scientific conspiracy over AGW. It's beyond the pail to suppose there could be a deliberate effort with active and explicit collusion among thousands of independent scientists. However, there could indeed be a groupthink problem, motivated in part by the desire to secure more funding. (Do you really think funding is only available for those who will affirm AGW?) Medical research has just such a problem. How can we tell the difference? By reviewing the evidence and the work. And what we see is that it's the deniers who have engaged in bad science, and who have a clear motive and financial interest in doing so.

Follow the money. Follow ALL the money.

..not the nuclear physics. I kinda thought this way before, but reading http://www.gregpalast.com/vulturespicnic/ really exposed the problems. That book gave me some understanding on why greenpeace pulls these stunts, which always felt a bit silly to me.

Now if they could conway the message that the problemis the companies, not some inherent problem with he physics.

Apparently these backup generators never really work, anywhere.
      http://www.gregpalast.com/no-bs-info-on-japan-nuclearobama-invites-tokyo-electric-to-build-us-nukes-with-taxpayer-funds/

http://www.gregpalast.com/no-bs-info-on-japan-nuclearobama-invites-tokyo-electric-to-build-us-nukes-with-taxpayer-funds/#more-4497

He's a bit of a fire brand, but he cut his teeth as a utilities industry reporter (I think regulator at one point). Another situation where corporate profits trump public safety.

I'd like to point out that I'm not anti-nuclear power. I just don't think we should ever entrust these facilities to organizations that consistently prove they're willing to risk total failure to save money.

Yup, check out the maps from Ohio from 2004.

If you think this massive oil spill didn't have to happen, well, you're right.

Oh, and BP bears responsibility for Exxon Valdez too.

http://www.gregpalast.com/slick-operator-the-bp-ive-known-too-well/?print=1

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Good post, good citizen lysergic.acid.

Anybody interested in the American news today can only find it in Mother Jones, Hustler and McClatchy-owned newspapers. What informed citizen bothers with the NY Times (New Whore Times), the Wash. Post, LA Times or other putrid rags???

I generally stick to foreign news and reliable blog websites. With only investigative reporters such as Larisa Alexandrovna, Rawstory, Greg Palast, gregpalast.com, and a few others out there, real news in Amerika has been "deep captured" by the corps.

True: "I've always felt that the poor security and poor implementation on the voting machines is intentional to allow for the possibility of fraud..."

Articles and a free movie about the the unprecedented organized vote fraud:

Rolling Stone magazine has an article about vote stealing in 2008: Block the Vote: Will the GOP's campaign to deter new voters and discard Democratic ballots determine the next president? That article is also available as a PDF file.

The Brennan Center for Justice at the NYU School of Law has another article: Voter Suppression Incidents 2008. A PDF is available.

See the free online movie Stealing America: Vote By Vote. The evidence presented in the movie shows that both of the previous presidential elections were stolen. The evidence is that the corrupters plan to steal the 2008 election, too. We will know in a few days.

Neither of the articles mentioned discusses how votes are stolen using computer fraud. Slashdot has run 17 stories in 2007 and 2008 about computer vote fraud and electronic voting, listed here in reverse order by date. Note that the evidence in the Slashdot stories also is that the last two presidential elections were stolen:

West Virginia Voters Say Machines Are Switching Votes.
Black Box Voting 2008 Election Protection Toolkit
How To Spot E-Vote Tampering?
Hard Evidence of Voting Machine Addition Errors
New Jersey E-Voting Problems Worse Than Originally Suspected
The Cost of Electronic Voting
Sequoia Vote Machine Can't Do Simple Arithmetic?
Ohio Investigating Possible Vote Machine Tampering Last Year
Diebold Voter Fraud Rumors in New Hampshire Primaries
Ohio's Alternative to Diebold Machines May Be Equally Bad
All Fifty States May Face Voting Machine Lawsuit
Judge Voids Un-Auditable California Election
Re-Vote Likely After E-Vote Data Mishandling
A Flawed US Election Reform Bill
House To Vote On Paper Trail and OSS Voting Bill
U.S. To Certify Labs For Testing E-Voting Machines
U.S. Bars Lab From Testing E-Voting Machines

MOD PARENT UP! It's infantile to believe that the U.S. government can spend money on people. The U.S. government HAS NO MONEY, it is DEEPLY in debt. The U.S. government has no money.

It amazes me how little most U.S. citizens know about their government, and how little they care. It appears to me that the U.S. government is corrupt in may ways, not just in starting a war to help make weapons and oil investors rich, and to act out anger. Read House of Bush, House of Saud. Bush and his friends and associates sell U.S. government power to those who pay the most. Saudis have paid them 1.4 Billion dollars, so the Saudis got EXACTLY what they wanted: Higher oil prices, the U.S. taxpayer paid for defending Saudi Arabia from Saddam Hussein, and a weaker United States.

Politics is certainly not a primary interest of mine, but I educate myself about what's happening. Here's just ONE area of corruption, the unprecedented, organized vote fraud:

Rolling Stone magazine has an article about vote stealing in 2008: Block the Vote: Will the GOP's campaign to deter new voters and discard Democratic ballots determine the next president? That article is also available as a PDF file.

The Brennan Center for Justice at the NYU School of Law has another article: Voter Suppression Incidents 2008. A PDF is available.

Neither of those articles discuss how votes are stolen using computer fraud. Slashdot has run 17 stories in 2007 and 2008 about computer vote fraud and electronic voting, listed here in reverse order by date. Note that the evidence is that the last two presidential elections were stolen:

West Virginia Voters Say Machines Are Switching Votes.
Black Box Voting 2008 Election Protection Toolkit
How To Spot E-Vote Tampering?
Hard Evidence of Voting Machine Addition Errors
New Jersey E-Voting Problems Worse Than Originally Suspected
The Cost of Electronic Voting
Sequoia Vote Machine Can't Do Simple Arithmetic?
Ohio Investigating Possible Vote Machine Tampering Last Year
Diebold Voter Fraud Rumors in New Hampshire Primaries
Ohio's Alternative to Diebold Machines May Be Equally Bad
All Fifty States May Face Voting Machine Lawsuit
Judge Voids Un-Auditable California Election
Re-Vote Likely After E-Vote Data Mishandling
A Flawed US Election Reform Bill
House To Vote On Paper Trail and OSS Voting Bill
U.S. To Certify Labs

It amazes me how little most U.S. citizens know about their government, and how little they care. Politics is certainly not a primary interest of mine, but I educate myself about what's happening.

Rolling Stone magazine has an article about vote stealing in 2008: Block the Vote: Will the GOP's campaign to deter new voters and discard Democratic ballots determine the next president? That article is also available as a PDF file.

The Brennan Center for Justice at the NYU School of Law has another article: Voter Suppression Incidents 2008. A PDF is available.

Neither of those articles discuss how votes are stolen using computer fraud. Slashdot has run 17 stories in 2007 and 2008 about computer vote fraud and electronic voting, listed here in reverse order by date:

West Virginia Voters Say Machines Are Switching Votes.
Black Box Voting 2008 Election Protection Toolkit
How To Spot E-Vote Tampering?
Hard Evidence of Voting Machine Addition Errors
New Jersey E-Voting Problems Worse Than Originally Suspected
The Cost of Electronic Voting
Sequoia Vote Machine Can't Do Simple Arithmetic?
Ohio Investigating Possible Vote Machine Tampering Last Year
Diebold Voter Fraud Rumors in New Hampshire Primaries
Ohio's Alternative to Diebold Machines May Be Equally Bad
All Fifty States May Face Voting Machine Lawsuit
Judge Voids Un-Auditable California Election
Re-Vote Likely After E-Vote Data Mishandling
A Flawed US Election Reform Bill
House To Vote On Paper Trail and OSS Voting Bill
U.S. To Certify Labs For Testing E-Voting Machines
U.S. Bars Lab From Testing E-Voting Machines

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so thereâ(TM)s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bushâ(TM)s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osamaâ(TM)s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbo

Yes, I'm sure you are kidding but those charges are related:

• List of controversies
• That showed a huge crack of light a year ago.
• And people are connecting the dots between election fraud and manipulation of justice.

>Sure, there are some non-citizens at Gitmo, but I happen to believe that most, if not all, were actively plotting against this country, or knowingly helping others who were.

Badr Zaman Badr and his brother Abdurrahim Muslim Dost for a satirical newspaper article
Prisoners held after being cleared by military tribunals

>Do either of you have first-hand experience with someone who spoke out against the government and then "heard the fed knocking"?

The time to pull the fire alarm is before the building is engulfed. When it's possible to be charged for filming Katrina refugees or convicted for holding a "No War for Oil" sign it is time to acknowledge a problem.

Newspaper articles don't carry citations, that was an article written in 2003 by Greg Palast. Hardly J. Random Conspiracy Nut Job or an orator of the contrived fictions presented in Fox news!

Um, I'm sure Elliot Spitzer thought the same thing, since so many politicians routinely buy high priced call girls and never get called on it . . .

So next time you or someone you know is doing something someone in power doesn't like, that's when this law will be selectively enforced.

Bankers have been saved without relief for debtors (another source). It's a good idea to prevent a general collapse because we use a fiat currency but leaving thousands of people ruined won't do enough. Trickle down has made a lot of executives very rich while leveling US manufacturing and consolidating all other commerce. The people responsible for the predatory lending crisis deserve to be treated like criminals. Many of the debtors are the victims of some very shady deals, which include intentionally inflating the value of property in cooperation with lenders. There's a lot of scandal here from top to bottom.

Under similar circumstances, the 2004 US election caging list controversy , where the Republican party was attempting to have thousands of African-Americans taken off the voter rolls, was revealed when sensitive e-mails were addressed to a George Bush parody site instead of the W's actual re-election site. The caging list wound its way into the hands of Greg Palast and the BBC and the rest is history.

If you believe Greg Palast, those emails aren't so lost after all. His claim is that Rove and company messed up and accidentally sent a bunch of those emails to http://georgewbush.org/ addresses instead of http://georgewbush.com/. If these emails are genuine, they detail, among other things, how Republican operatives used a practice called caging to suppress probable opposition voters.

Of course given the nature of email, it's probably not provable that the email is genuine. And it doesn't help that Palast has a bit of a muckraker reputation. From what I've seen, he does have a bit of a bias, but I've never known him to fabricate his evidence. Personally I'm inclined to believe the emails are real, but, like I said, I'm not sure you can prove that. Unless of course they also turn up in the White House archives.

Oh, right. Nevermind.

... their elections are about as fair and honest as the last two US presidential elections.

Given the obvious propaganda value of the US bashing Russian elections, I think we in the US ought to shut our mouths until we get our own act cleaned up. By any polling measure, Putin enjoys 60-70% approval by Russians; here in the US Bush is not even at a 30% approval rating while publicly admitting to torture and with a majority of Americans thinking he has committed impeachable offenses.

...it's Greg Palast. Ever heard about caging lists?

"Any time you hear the United States Government talking about wiretap, it requires --- a wiretap requires a court order." - G.W. Bush

>I don't know why I am arguing the same thing with you twice on different threads

Because instead of sound legal argument, you feel the need for ad hominem attacks?

>...find the historical versions and you will find that to even listen to the domestic side, they needed the warrant.... Under the law at the time, they would need to get a warrant either before or after the call and show enough reason to be listening.

Again, you contradict yourself. When you write "after the call" you are conceding that the warrants could be retroactive. And let me note also the penalty for having the retroactive warrant denied is nothing (assuming, one presumes, a good faith warrant application, which is not an issue here.) There is no evidence that terrorists changed their behavior because of warrant requirements.

>who told the president it was legal to do so i the first place? Well, that would be the president's legal council which is outside the justices department.

The president counsel (note spelling) is his private lawyer. If your private lawyer tells you that a violation of the plain text of a statue is legal and the U.S.A.G. says it is illegal, then you go to jail. Thank You For Playing!

>when ... the justice department makes changes so it is legal, then I guess it was legal.

When you state that the justice department made changes to make it legal, you are conceding that it was not legal in the first place. Q. E. D.

>no, this isn't a matter of a soldier on duty in Baghdad, they keep their addresses and vote with an absentee ballot

Yes, in fact "caging" is all about that; your denial maybe based on not knowing that Tim Griffin sent a spreadsheet of black soldiers on a FL base to the White House mailbox for the purposes of challenging their absentee ballots. Don't you agree that this is wrong, illegal and not very supportive of the troops?

>I'm not aware of what Ann Coulter does.

OK, so you are not well informed as to contemporary issues in voter fraud. As reported on many places including Fox and in more detail elsewhere, Ann Coulter registered to vote at an address where she did not live, never had lived, and never intended to live. Do you like that?

>The president is claiming that the law didn't apply in this situation because he found powers in the constitution that preempt them

Precisely correct; he committed felony violations of FISA and other laws, and claims he has constitutional sanctions for them. His naked claim (opposed by the Justice Department) dos not make his felonies legal.

>your inaccurately claiming we have a democracy....we are a republic and not a democracy

The distinction between a republic and a democracy does not affect (please consult your dictionary as to the difference between "effect" and "affect") felonies? Surely republics require public officials obey the law.

Corrected link from above post.

Except he fired a life long republican because they didn't jump when Republican senator Senator Pete Domenici, asked him to file charges against a democrats for a non existent voter crimes.

http://www.gregpalast.com/an-army-of-rove-botscapt ain-iglesias-obstruction-of-justice-and-the-theft- of-2008/

He did his job and resisted the political pressure.

The official reason given was 'absent from job' because he was 40 days away from his post. He's been called up to active duty, since he is a Navy reserve, and it's a crime to fire an reserve just because they've been called up to active duty.

So it's stinky. Very stinky, in Soviet Russia they arrest opposition politicians too for no good reason.

> It is not playing in the US media because no law was broken when those attorneys were fired.

1. pete domenici (r-nm) tried to force attorney generals to indict democrats for voter-fraud
2. alberto gonzales (ag) almost certainly lied under oath

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/19/opinion/19mon4.h tml?ex=1331956800&en=dfab854c91a51b4b&ei=5088&part ner=rssnyt&emc=rss
http://www.gregpalast.com/investigative-journalist -greg-palast-reports-on-the-firing-of-new-mexico-a ttorney-david-iglesias/
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002677.php
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/the-fal l-of-pete-domenici_b_43006.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/20 03699882_webmckayforum09m.html?syndication=rss/

I don't the BBC's reputation has ever been higher. Time and time again they've been proved right.

This Greg Palast article for example, the evidence is taken straight from the Judiciary record with Monica Goodling handwriting on it (she's pleaded the 5th).

http://www.gregpalast.com/an-army-of-rove-botscapt ain-iglesias-obstruction-of-justice-and-the-theft- of-2008/

A lot of people in the lower ranks will face a lot of jail time over Rove & his shenanigans. Naturally nobody higher up will, it's how this works.

Greg Palast is one of the few good reporters out there still willing to probe further and deeper. An interesting book of his, detailing the election, war, and oil machinations is "Armed Madhouse": http://www.gregpalast.com/madhouse/index.php/about /. For a quick summary, see this talk he gave in Portland: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-680222806 2297352475.

Here's how the 2006 mid-term election was stolen.

Note the past tense. And I'm not kidding.

And shoot me for saying this, but it won't be stolen by jerking with the touch-screen machines (though they'll do their nasty part). While progressives panic over the viral spread of suspect computer black boxes, the Karl Rove-bots have been tunneling into the vote vaults through entirely different means.

For six years now, our investigations team, at first on assignment for BBC TV and the Guardian, has been digging into the nitty-gritty of the gaming of US elections. We've found that November 7, 2006 is a day that will live in infamy. Four and a half million votes have been shoplifted. Here's how they'll do it, in three easy steps:

Theft #1: Registrations gone with the wind
Theft #2: Turned Away - the ID game
Theft #3: Votes Spoiled Rotten

(see full article for details of those "thefts")

So Let's Add it Up

Two million legitimate voters will be turned away because of wrongly rejected or purged registrations.

Add another one million voters challenged and turned away for "improper ID."

Then add yet another million for Democratic votes "spoiled" by busted black boxes and by bad ballots.

And let's not forget to include the one million "provisional" ballots which will never get counted. Based on the experience of 2004, we know that, overwhelmingly, minority voters are the ones shunted to these baloney ballots.

And there's one more group of votes that won't be counted: absentee ballots challenged and discarded. Elections Assistance Agency data tell us a half million of these absentee votes will go down the drain.

Driving this massive suppression of the vote are sophisticated challenge operations. And here I must note that the Democrats have no national challenge campaign. That's morally laudable; electorally suicidal.

Add it all up -- all those Democratic-leaning votes rejected, barred and spoiled -- and the Republican Party begins Election Day with a 4.5 million-vote thumb on the vote-tally scale.

Here's how the 2006 mid-term election was stolen.

Note the past tense. And I'm not kidding.

And shoot me for saying this, but it won't be stolen by jerking with the touch-screen machines (though they'll do their nasty part). While progressives panic over the viral spread of suspect computer black boxes, the Karl Rove-bots have been tunneling into the vote vaults through entirely different means.

For six years now, our investigations team, at first on assignment for BBC TV and the Guardian, has been digging into the nitty-gritty of the gaming of US elections. We've found that November 7, 2006 is a day that will live in infamy. Four and a half million votes have been shoplifted. Here's how they'll do it, in three easy steps:

Theft #1: Registrations gone with the wind
Theft #2: Turned Away - the ID game
Theft #3: Votes Spoiled Rotten

(see full article for details of those "thefts")

So Let's Add it Up

Two million legitimate voters will be turned away because of wrongly rejected or purged registrations.

Add another one million voters challenged and turned away for "improper ID."

Then add yet another million for Democratic votes "spoiled" by busted black boxes and by bad ballots.

And let's not forget to include the one million "provisional" ballots which will never get counted. Based on the experience of 2004, we know that, overwhelmingly, minority voters are the ones shunted to these baloney ballots.

And there's one more group of votes that won't be counted: absentee ballots challenged and discarded. Elections Assistance Agency data tell us a half million of these absentee votes will go down the drain.

Driving this massive suppression of the vote are sophisticated challenge operations. And here I must note that the Democrats have no national challenge campaign. That's morally laudable; electorally suicidal.

Add it all up -- all those Democratic-leaning votes rejected, barred and spoiled -- and the Republican Party begins Election Day with a 4.5 million-vote thumb on the vote-tally scale.

It's not that you're doing something wrong, it's that you're so inconsequential that you're not worth their time. Harrassment does happen to people who might actually draw unwanted attention, though. And that's only the example I happened to read about yesterday. This happens more often than you think.

The real mission was to STOP usefull oil production of oil from iraq, not to use it. Thus driving up oil prices
which in turn makes more $$$ for the ME and thus they have to re-lend those billions back to usa. If it wasnt for
>$60 prices, usa would not be getting $600billion a year in free lent money from the world, and thus would collapse
and fail under massive deflation.

Check it out at http://www.gregpalast.com/

Although i never heard of RAW, i see he was the hero during the New Age era, where
he mixed rare known facts about the Illuminati, with fiction and occasionally added
some jokes. I guess in the heydays of his work he was very popular amongst people
who knew something about this cult.

However things have changed, This Illuminati, Kaballa, Mason stuff has turned out
to be not fiction or satire but the scary truth. Just remember Hugo Chavez's
recent appearance inside the U.N. What happened at the U.N. is of major importance.
Hugo Chavez steals the show at the U.N. quoting from Noam Chomsky latest book
"Hegemony or Survival" [1]. Although wearing a normal suit, he did a almost genuine act
of exorcism from behind the council speakers table:

http://www.niburu.nl/showarticle.php?articleID=143 86
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/9/23/213219/ 005/59#c59
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_ 23036.shtml
http://www.counterpunch.org/chavez09202006.html

"The devil is right at home. The devil, the devil himself, is right
in the house.

"And the devil came here yesterday. Yesterday the devil came here.
Right here." [crosses himself] "And it smells of sulfur still today.

Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the president
of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil,
came here, talking as if he owned the world. Truly. As the owner of
the world."

The real media file can be found here :

"Hugo Chavez, Venezuelan Pres., at U.N. General Assembly"
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/ter/ter092006_chav ez.rm

Recently Greg Palast did a exclusive interview with Hugo Chavez from
his home in Venezuela :

"Hugo Chavez: An Exclusive Interview with Greg Palast"
http://www.gregpalast.com/hugo-chavez-an-exclusive -interview-with-greg-palast

pnm:rm.bbc.net.uk/news/olmedia/1985000/video_19856 70_ven22_palast_vi.rm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/ar chive/1985670.stm

So why is this a important breakthrough? It seems the tide is turning.
If Bushes hegemony was a reality, Hugo Chavez would never been able to
make this speech. Also remember that the President of Iran recently
made his heroic appearance in New York. The crock hunter may have died,
but here's the real hero :

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/iranian-presid ent-steals-the-show-in-new-york/2006/09/22/1158431 902380.html

As the plot is folding, the analogy with Tolkiens trilogy, The Lord of
the Rings, is certainly there. "The Evil Eye" on top of the pyramid is
evident. The analogy with the Ring to rule all others Rings may not
seem so straightforward. It seems that this Ring is commonly known as
the holy grail, but the holy grail is a hoax in itself. So what is the
holy grail in fact? Chris Everard from EnigmaTV made a serious attempt
[2] to explain things. He claims that the full knowledge and
understanding of a scripture called The Cabballah is what ordinary man
can give ultimate power with the culmination in power the capability to
kill someone with a

Why hack the election when you can just steal it the old fashioned way?

* Give poor voting precincts ancient machines and very few of them so that people have to wait hours and hours in line to vote. Isn't that what we saw in 2004?

* Dream up a system of "provisional ballots" to placate voters when a voter is "challenged" -- and then never count those provisional ballots.

These tactics are the way the past 2 elections were stolen, and they're profusely documented. Even the huge exit poll discrepancies of the 2004 elections were ignored by the US corporate mass media.

And don't forget the way BBC reporter Greg Palast clearly documented that Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris eliminated more than 90,000 Florida voters in 2000 as "suspected felons" -- with over 90% of those voters being Democrats. But you're read about that scandal in the US corporate mass media, right?! (Not!)

Sorry, the elections are already being "hacked" and it doesn't take an electronic voting machine to do it.

You secure the electronic vote, you get a paper trail. Is that enough?
No, you get what happened in Mexico, where the paper trail is not checked.

Mexico, the ballots report at random, it is clear the encumbant is losing, at about 75%, a funny thing happens, ballots start coming in with huge swings to the encumbant and the challengers vote switched to a third party. The vote swings.

The election authority says its counted 98.5% of the vote but has only counted 92.5%.
The challenger says '3 million votes are missing', the election authority ridicules this, then later 'finds' 2.5 million of the missing votes. Finally they refuse to manually publicly count the votes. Instead they count only a few with totals different from the tally sheet, but if you make up the numbers its a lot easier to get those numbers to match than if you're counting the ballots, and the interesting boxes are not examined.

http://www.gregpalast.com/we-dont-need-no-stinkin- recount

Even if you get the ballot checked, look at Thailand.
Thaksin is unpopular in Bangkok, the army takes command, drives tanks into the government, TV and into the Kings palace. The popular king is no longer seen, the army is told they are following the kings orders, and the coup plotters pretend to speak for the king. If you believe the polls they are putting out, 85% of Thais like the coup, they think the king is controlling it. But if 85% of Thais wanted Thaksin out, then the vote was next month, they could vote him out. Where is the King?

Meanwhile the men with the big tanks claim this is a popular coup and election will follow next year. But election were due next month. Due you think they will allow a government critical of the army actions? No way, dictators can never leave power for fear of arrest. So Thailand will sink into a military dictatorship for years to come.

Democracy is a constant fight, it doesn't stop at the ballot.

Has America interfered with Mexico in some monstrous way that I'm not aware of?

Don't know if you've heard, and this doesn't have much to do with the GP poster per se, but Greg Palast has had some interesting things to say about ChoicePoint (which you may recall is widely implicated in shady dealings in Florida in 2000) being found stealing Mexican voter rosters and similar illegal activities in the run-up to the recent Mexican presidential election, with the FBI implicated (see here). That might count as having "interfered with Mexico in some monstrous way".

This topic will have it's evidence burried within hundreds of Off Topic rants.
Just like this one (2004 election stolen - 1191 comments) did.
There is a main stream (corporate) media blackout on this topic.
Corporate media is ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and FOX
We will have a PNAC cyberwar on slashdot every time this topic comes up.
The truth is on Bradblog.Com and BlackBoxVoting.Org
But the globalists, liars, war profiteers, and Bush administration does not want you to know the truth. They just want to change the laws so that when someone reports the truth like (Greg Palast for taking photos of FEMA Trailers) they can disappear them into a camp, torture them, then find them guilty on secret evidence, and put them to death.

This is what has become of America under Bush.

Folks are too busy working to pay attention to their government. Too busy to search for real news. Too busy to protest in the streets. They don't have the time or resources. They are working their ass off to make ends meet.

There is no electronic voting machine that can be validated. NONE.
All software can be cracked, all hardware can be specially crafted.
You can not see electricity, because it is physically invisible.

What is going on with Electronic Voting Machines has a name, it's called DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
The US Military has sworn an oath to protect our Constitution against this.

It's time to ask them to do their job.

Parts for these fucking machines are made in CHINA for god sake!

Bury this thread, bury this evidence, bury your children, and kiss the middle class goodbye, kiss your Constitution goodbye, kiss your Country goodbye.

The founder of the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) is in jail now! WAKE THE FUCK UP!

These fucking machines are killing people, and have left us with trillions of dollars of debt. It's time to go back to the much less costly paper, and manual counting!

Find out what investigative journalist Greg Palast was doing the past few weeks, and why they now have a journalist wearing orange.

Sober? I haven't intoxicated meself, beyond the Christmas tipple, in 24 years.

Find out what investigative journalist Greg Palast was doing the past few weeks, and why they now have a journalist wearing orange.

Sober? I haven't intoxicated meself, beyond the Christmas tipple, in 24 years.

Find out what investigative journalist Greg Palast was doing the past few weeks, and why they now have a journalist wearing orange.

Sober? I haven't intoxicated meself, beyond the Christmas tipple, in 24 years.

What can SV do for HS? Probably not much. Unless HS is serious about stopping terrorists which it appears they aren't: http://www.gregpalast.com/palast-charged-with-jour nalism-in-the-first-degree#more-1487 Boy I feel so much safer now that Exxon can call the department of Homeland Insecurity and have journalists arrested. Detective Pananepinto confirmed that, "Louisiana is still part of the United States," subject to the first amendment and he was therefore required to divulge my accuser. Not surprisingly, it was Exxon Corporation, one of a handful of companies not in love with my investigations: http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=269 What a wonderful way to protect us from terrorists. Round up all the journalists at the behest of big corporations. Of course they won't do anything about the thousands of people walking into the USA over the open border with Mexico because no muslim terrorist would ever think of doing that. They are too busy eating pork, drinking booze, paying prostitutes for services and going to strip clubs when they aren't flunking flying lessons.