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Wanna try some Tech? First time's free
Hope it doesn't cause any trouble.
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Extrapolating from 0.075% of all glaciers to 100%
Just doesn't work.
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But it's okay to sue individuals for millions!
If that's what Mr Sherman sees as unfair then I want his opinion on this.
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Re:A prize nomination?
You mean the Bradley Manning award for being an angry child the punches women, throws tantrums and doesn't read what he releases. Let's call it the Darling of the Left and excused for being an Abusive Manchild award. After all, it's ok that he beat up a woman, as long as he's on our side! He's a hero!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/may/27/bradley-manning-wikileaks-iraq-video
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Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/
You seem oblivious to the fact that women have it bad in those places because people have it bad in those places. This is a case of shitty countries with no respect for human rights, not a case of subjugation of women.
I read a news story where a woman was stoned to death for adultery. Great example of the abuse of women, right? Wrong. Somebody pointed out a local article about the same stoning to me. Turns out both the man and the woman were stoned to death. The articles in the western media only bothered to mention the woman.
Have you read the Global Gender Gap report detailing how oppressed women are? Their index starts at 1 and penalises countries for discrimination against women. Discrimination against men is not counted. A country could literally murder all men and all baby boys at birth and score a perfect 1 for equality.
Perhaps you've heard harrowing reports from the UN about women being raped in South Africa. The people behind the reports restricted the definition of rape to only include female victims. Men are raped almost as often as women but aid agencies turn them away because they aren't women.
If you are concerned with the enslavement of women across the globe, you are probably concerned with sex trafficking. In reality, sex trafficking is hugely exaggerated. The majority of trafficked people are unpaid labour, not rape victims, and a huge percentage of them are men.
I could go on and on. Food being handed out only to women, ignoring starving men. Microloans only being given to women. Articles about the rape of women venturing outside of their villages, where if you dig, you find out that the reason they risk leaving their villages is because if their husbands go they will be murdered.
You seem to think that women have it particularly bad. The simple fact of the matter is that where there are human rights abuses, it affects both men and women in devastating ways. Unfortunately, due to attitudes like yours, all the focus goes towards the women, and it becomes so much more difficult to get men the help they need, the help that would be available to them if they were women. Please stop misleading people into thinking this is a problem for women. It is a problem that affects both genders.
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Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/
You seem oblivious to the fact that women have it bad in those places because people have it bad in those places. This is a case of shitty countries with no respect for human rights, not a case of subjugation of women.
I read a news story where a woman was stoned to death for adultery. Great example of the abuse of women, right? Wrong. Somebody pointed out a local article about the same stoning to me. Turns out both the man and the woman were stoned to death. The articles in the western media only bothered to mention the woman.
Have you read the Global Gender Gap report detailing how oppressed women are? Their index starts at 1 and penalises countries for discrimination against women. Discrimination against men is not counted. A country could literally murder all men and all baby boys at birth and score a perfect 1 for equality.
Perhaps you've heard harrowing reports from the UN about women being raped in South Africa. The people behind the reports restricted the definition of rape to only include female victims. Men are raped almost as often as women but aid agencies turn them away because they aren't women.
If you are concerned with the enslavement of women across the globe, you are probably concerned with sex trafficking. In reality, sex trafficking is hugely exaggerated. The majority of trafficked people are unpaid labour, not rape victims, and a huge percentage of them are men.
I could go on and on. Food being handed out only to women, ignoring starving men. Microloans only being given to women. Articles about the rape of women venturing outside of their villages, where if you dig, you find out that the reason they risk leaving their villages is because if their husbands go they will be murdered.
You seem to think that women have it particularly bad. The simple fact of the matter is that where there are human rights abuses, it affects both men and women in devastating ways. Unfortunately, due to attitudes like yours, all the focus goes towards the women, and it becomes so much more difficult to get men the help they need, the help that would be available to them if they were women. Please stop misleading people into thinking this is a problem for women. It is a problem that affects both genders.
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Re:Rafale F16
"Sounds like the excuse what the French and British agreed to as a cover story. What's reported to the press is often what you're supposed to think."
Have you actually even glanced at the source before making this blanket statement?
This (and many other comments that would be embarrassing for all parties involved) came to light, 20 years later, when the French president's very own shrink decided to publish his former patient's confidences in a book.
Sure: it might have been an incredibly elaborate long game con by Mitterrand to retroactively exonerate himself 10 years after his death, when his psychoanalyst would decide to break doctor-patient confidentiality and publish a book... Personally, I'll go with Occam's razor. -
Re:Rafale F16
Every single country, given the right conditions, will happily leave their customer out to dry. Arm sales is not exactly the most ethical business in the world.
Now, as for the Exocet missile story, parent is omitting a very important element: France did indeed give up the Exocet codes, but the episode is famously known as a case of Thatcher strong-arming a very reluctant (French president) Mitterrand by, among other things, threatening to go nuclear on Argentina if he refused to help. She may have been bluffing, but given her record on ruthless domestic policies at the time, many a smarter man would have wavered.
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Re:regime ?
People forget that there were serious discussions about merging the UK and France into one country in the 60s.
That sounded interesting and I empathize with being lazy.
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Re:The site belongs to facebook.
The site belongs to facebook. It is hosted in the US.
Facebook International HQ is in Dublin, Ireland - which is part of the E.U. They are also currently building a massive data center in Sweden which will handle all traffic from Europe, the Middle East and Africa.
This idea of trying to regulate what people do with the devices they own is simply laughable.
Welcome to the real world, where there are regulations governing businesses, and regulations that cover many of the devices that businesses use. You may also want to educate yourself regarding some of the reasons that Europeans generally support pro-privacy and anti-data-collection laws. You may be surprised to learn that it was a trade union that rose up against the communists and fought for the first free democratic elections in eastern Europe.
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Re:Easy fix.
I don't think that's really China's view.
The Wikileaks cables have included suggestions that Bejing is willing to accept a unified Korea under the South's government
China is also seriously concerned about an influx of refugees should North Korea 'collapse'.
And that's really everybody's concern. North Korea can't be allowed to simply 'collapse'. (It really already has collapsed economiclly but somehow manages to soldier on politically and socially.) There is too much military hardware there. There are too many people there. It would be a mess for everyone in the region (China, Russia, South Korea, Japan).
But there are several realities in the way of unification:
1) The Northern elites don't want it. This is really the biggest problem because until you can get the North to agree to unification there will be no unification. It's essentially impossible to forcedly unify the country. The people of the North have been so indoctrinated to fear everyone from outside the country. And the North's army remains powerful enough to cause so much destruction - not just to the North but to the South as well - that invasion is simply a no-go. You must somehow convince the rulers of the North to give up control to the South.
2) Unification would ruin the South. Unification is expensive. And it takes a long time. You don't just declare a country unified and all is good. You have to build up the poorer partner and work on social unification as well.
The unification of Germany cost upwards of $1.9 TRILLION. And West Germany was a lot richer than South Korea is. And East Germany wasn't nearly as poor as North Korea is. And socially there is still a gap between former East and West Germans. It will take another few generations to create real social unification.
A similar lesson can be learned by looking at Yemen, which was separated between North and South between the end of WWI until 1990. Yet after declaring unification the social separation between the peoples of the two former nations remained and resulted in civil war and unrest which really still continues today. (Equally note that both North and South Yemen were extremely poor nations, which made unification difficult economiclly as well.)
Really, the best scenario would be for the Northern elites to liberalize - open their economy bit by bit and reveal the truth about the rest of the world to their people bit-by-bit. Spend less on the military and more on developing the country - education, infrastructure, and a Chinese-style economic modernization. Then, as the North slowly climbs out of poverty and absolute self-imposed social isolation then maybe in a few decades unification will look more and more realistic.
And really that's what everyone wants. Everyone outside of the Northern elites that is.
There had been some hope that after Kim Jong-il died that his successor would be more open to the rest of the world, but that seems not to be the case.
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Re:Question
This blurb tells a little bit more about the prank
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/feb/03/anonymous-hack-met-fbi-call
The press is going to have a field day tomorrow. Is this the sound of a thousand hacks giggling while typing opinion pieces? I shall read the all. Also somebody will have all the headlines tatooed on his foreskin. With a hammer.
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Re:Do no evil.... OOOOH MONEY!
Sagely words, cffrost.
Some others:
"I refuse to believe that corporations are people until Texas executes one."
"Corporations are born in a lawyerâ(TM)s office, exist only on paper, have no social conscience, no soul and can never die."
The worst example of blind love for a corporation would have to be the way consumers worship Apple; a company whose workers are treated cruelly and ruthlessly. What is 'Cool' about this?
Apple's Chinese workers treated 'inhumanely, like machines'
Investigation finds evidence of draconian rules and excessive overtime to meet western demand for iPhones and iPads
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/30/apple-chinese-workers-treated-inhumanelyApple Store Employees Speak Out Against Demoralizing, Draining Work Conditions
http://www.cultofmac.com/103041/apple-store-employees-speak-out-against-demoralizing-draining-work-conditions/The Darker Side of Apple: The Human Cost of Your iProducts
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/darker-side-apple-human-cost-iproducts-164412176.htmlAt least 14 workers at Foxconn factories in China have killed themselves in the last 16 months as a result of horrendous working conditions.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382396/Workers-Chinese-Apple-factories-forced-sign-pledges-commit-suicide.html -
Re:The FBI webcam network
Nobody sets these things up without any authentication. Brigadier General is a man of few words who doesn't need to state the obvious: these cameras do have authentication.
Please don't misunderestimate the esteemed Brigadier General!
Would that be the same fantastic protection we put on drones in Afghanistan?, the video from which could be watched using a $26 software program?
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This is the second team.
The Republican presidential candidates are so bad this year because the Republicans who are any good are sitting this one out and waiting for 2016. The current candidates are the second team.
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Re:you're a troll but even so....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker Memri is nothing but a israeli covert propaganda and lobbying organization. And it isn't even reliable as they translate wrongly and with an agenda.
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Re:MOD PARENT DOWN... oops, it's the story
Digital trinkets? Those numbers in bank accounts and stock market shares are digital trinkets too. The only difference is whether the courts and governments decide they are different or not.
When enough people think a stamp, a pokemon card, or a stockmarket share or a bunch of digits in a computer are valuable, it is valuable.
Denying it can cause bigger problems, like the case years ago in China when some guy "borrowed" another guy's "virtual sword" and then sold it (for a significant amount of real money). The victim went to the cops first, but apparently the cops just laughed, so in the end the victim handled it himself and murdered the perp. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2005/mar/31/china.internationalnews
Not saying it was right to do so. But if someone borrowed something precious of yours, then sold it off (breach of trust/betrayal), and when you find out, just offered you the cash (presumably less than what you think it was worth), and you go to the cops who then laugh at you, I'd think you would be rather pissed off.
In contrast some places handle it better: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10207486
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Re:Hosting company would be more secure.
Gee. They tried that first. The hosting company was called Amazon.
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Re:What Disgusting Moderation
One of the scariest scenes I ever saw in the 24 tv series was the de facto camp built to house "suspected terrorists." We'd do the same... in a heartbeat. Sad and scary.
Er, you have dude
.. Guantanamo and your President dude is quite happy to hold people there with out trial.I can't really see the US changing direction though politics, policies and good will though unfortunately.
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Re:This proves that
We've a long history of terrorists. If George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry were alive today they'd all be on the no-fly lists.
Well, you've not only managed to engage in vile libel against some of the key founders of the United States, brave and honorable men, but you've also managed to get some very simple things completely wrong. They joined their states in a revolution against King George the III of Great Britain. They were trying to change the government reporting structure, not engage in mass murder of innocent civilians. They wouldn't have been on "no-fly lists", they would have been taken into custody if found and hanged for rebellion, for treason against the Crown. They weren't anti-government, they wanted a different government (the Continental Congress vs the Crown of Great Britain). You are very badly confused. You ennoble people trying to engage in mass slaughter of Americans, Britons, Europeans, Australians, and many others when you utter such nonsense.
It is indeed a pitiful foolishness to confuse the meaning and consequences of "Give me Liberty, or give me death!" versus "Allah Akbar!!".
The demands Bin Laden was fighting for included that the US convert to Islam, and scrap the Constitution and institute Islamic Sharia law.
Keep in mind, the struggle against real, not imaginary rhetorical terrorists, continues.
FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 27, 2012
Denver: Man Arrested for Providing Material Support to a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization
Jamshid Muhtorov was arrested by members of the FBI’s Denver and Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Forces on a charge of providing and attempting to provide material support to the Islamic Jihad Union, a Pakistan-based designated foreign terrorist organization. Full Story
Baltimore: Man Pleads Guilty to Attempted Use of a Weapon of Mass Destruction in Plot to Attack Armed Forces Recruiting Center
U.S. citizen Antonio Martinez, aka Muhammad Hussain, pled guilty to attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against federal property in connection with a scheme to attack an armed forces recruiting station in Catonsville, Maryland. Full Story
Washington Field: Man Pleads Guilty to Shootings at Pentagon, Other Military Buildings
Yonathan Melaku, of Alexandria, Virginia, pled guilty to damaging property and to firearms violations involving five separate shootings at military installations in northern Virginia between October and November 2010, and to attempting to damage veterans’ memorials at Arlington National Cemetery. Full Story
FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 13, 2012
1.Tampa: Florida Resident Charged with Plotting to Bomb Locations in Tampa
A 25-year-old resident of Pinellas Park, Florida was charged in connection with an alleged plot to attack locations in Tampa with a vehicle bomb, assault rifle, and other explosives. Full Story
2.Baltimore: Former Army Solider Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
A man who secretly converted to Islam days before he separated from the Army was charged with attempting to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization, and was arrested upon his return to Maryland after traveling to Africa. Full Story
FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 9, 2011
Seattle: Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to At
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Re:Total speculation on why
They still have a moderate amount of power in the Labour Party - I don't follow Labour closely enough to know the outcome, but in September the party leader was trying to "reduc[e] their voting power at party conference to below 50%".
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Re:This isn't news...this is bullcrap
The WSJ article gave arguments? I see a claim that the world hasn't been warming in the last 10 years (ignoring that the last 10 years have been the hottest on modern record), a claim that CO2 isn't a pollutant because trees need CO2 (and by similar logic I need water, therefor I can't drown), a claim that the evil AGW conspiracy tried to get some guy fired (but he kept his job), comparing AGW consensus to Lysenko, accusations of corruption by grant money (which having been paid by grant money for many years made me laugh, then cry when I thought about my finances), a strawman about AGW conspirators wanting to "decarbonize" the economy, and one mention of one economic study alleging that it's best to do nothing for 50 years as that will maximize the benefit to cost ratios, with the exact nature of the benefits, costs, and how no regulation bests any and all regulation left unexplained. What a pile of crap.
Oh, and that science article written by 255 members of the National Academy of Sciences wasn't a rebuttal. It was published in 2010. -
Some already use the global warming effect
False flag.
"The lack of warming for more than a decade" is contradicted by e.g.
"An increasing amount of seaborne traffic is moving along a new Siberian coastal route, cutting journey time and boosting trade prospects"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jul/05/arctic-shipping-trade-routesThe sea north of Siberia is opening up, for the benefit of transport! So, some in the industry are already using the global warming. Russia is planning expanding some of these harbors for summer traffic.
So, even if those WSJ jerks are wrong, there are some beneficial outcomes. Not all parts in the world suffer from droughts or desertification.
Still, the poor people in Nevada, California, Spain, Italy and elsewhere will suffer from an even drier climate.
The winners are the already affluent people in high latitudes, with an already booming industry.
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Re:Cheaper
Often wondred if that approach would actually be more effective.
Well, they pretty much tried it last time:
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Not news?
I thought we already knew that law enforcement agencies were watching social networking websites? They have caught people because of pictures posted online in the past:
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Re:This isn't as bad as it looks
Well, he told the police he was planning to do
Where did you get that?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/27/asim-kausar-jailed-ricin-recipe?newsfeed=true
Kauser told police he had downloaded the information out of "curiosity and a thirst for knowledge".
I see no report that Kauser admitted to writing the "jihad" letter the police found (or "found"
;) ).Don't assume the UK police would never do dubious stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes#Disputed_facts_and_events
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Re:Who cares
That's the real problem with the occupy movement, they don't offer solutions , only complaints, they aren't making any useful demands on what would actually make things better, based on concern for the public good, they are simply saying they don't like the way things are.
Actually the Occupy movement have been making extremely sensible demands, mainly focusing on getting corporate money out of politics. These items taken from the Guardian article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy
The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act â" the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create fake derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.
No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.
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Re:Already happned in England
In England, a juror was jailed last year for communicating with an acquitted defendant on Facebook: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jun/16/facebook-juror-jailed-for-eight-months
one question:
Knox, Sewart's 35-year-old partner, is applying for his conviction to be overturned on the basis of alleged jury misconduct. He was jailed for six years after being found guilty of paying a police officer to disclose information on drug dealers.
It's illegal to buy information in Britain?
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Already happned in England
In England, a juror was jailed last year for communicating with an acquitted defendant on Facebook: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jun/16/facebook-juror-jailed-for-eight-months
And another was jailed last week for researching the defendant on the internet generally: http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jan/23/juror-contempt-court-online-research
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Already happned in England
In England, a juror was jailed last year for communicating with an acquitted defendant on Facebook: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jun/16/facebook-juror-jailed-for-eight-months
And another was jailed last week for researching the defendant on the internet generally: http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jan/23/juror-contempt-court-online-research
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Re:Gander/goose?US fined Siemens (German) $1.6 bn. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/dec/16/regulation-siemens-scandal-bribery
EU fines Deutsche Post half a billion Euros. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-25/deutsche-post-to-appeal-eu-ruling-on-repaying-state-aid.html
If you don't want to get fined, don't break the rules. BTW, Korea and other jurisdictions fined Intel for breaking the rules to kill AMD.
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Re:True Evil - Apple
This article caught me at a good (or bad depending on how you look at it) time. I am so sick of Apple fanatics and how they are willing destroying the personal computer industry. They hold their limp wrists high (no intent to offend gays, but it is such a fitting description) in celebration of their superior operating system, with no clue as to how they are being brainwashed into supporting abandonment of all personal rights
F--- Apple, please let them burn in hell.
I wonder if you have the courage to feel as strongly about Google's move today limiting all your online privacy rights if you use any Google product including Android?
You as well as the rest of us have only until March 1, 2012 to think it through.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jan/25/google-merge-user-data-privacy?newsfeed=true
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Re:What are they after?
What exactly is Google trying to accomplish with their "real name" policy, anyway? I don't see what they hope to gain that's even worth the trouble of enforcing it, not even considering the ill will they're piling up.
i am surprised no one has seen the news BOMB Google dropped a few hours ago.
By March 1, 2012 all users of any Google product (over sixty different Google properties) must agree to a new limited privacy agreement. Google is going to combine all users individual online Google identities into one real identity that Google will track in real time.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jan/25/google-merge-user-data-privacy?newsfeed=true
Will this enable Google to have the power to launch an instant attack on any group or business that Google disagrees with ideologically or socially?
Would this threaten the freedom of free expression during political or religious debate?
Could Google be used to topple the heads of governments who threaten their interests?
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Re:I would rather....
Original search that sparked off the research described in the two links below:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/204499
The followup:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/17/black-death-rats-off-hook
http://www.history.com/news/2011/08/18/can-we-stop-blaming-rats-for-the-black-death/Related:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/oct/12/black-death-genome-sequenced-dna?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
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Re:I would rather....
Original search that sparked off the research described in the two links below:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/204499
The followup:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/17/black-death-rats-off-hook
http://www.history.com/news/2011/08/18/can-we-stop-blaming-rats-for-the-black-death/Related:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/oct/12/black-death-genome-sequenced-dna?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
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Re:Well, there goes *that* heroin shipment
Politico is firewalled off here, but The Guardian isn't.
I wish all 500 of the damned congresscritters and Spentaturds would go through TSA hell, we'd get rid of that worthless abomination. Too bad they didn't arrest him, you'd see a shitstorm then!.
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Re:Yet another 3rd world reaction
Yeah, those rational and reasonable Catholics who recenty (2003) said that condoms were made intentionally with microscopic holes to allow for the transmission of the AIDS virus. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/09/aids
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Re:Not so fast Intel...
You realize that Apple now is almost down to a 50% market share in tablets, right?
Ok, I think I found what you were referring to: it's 61% of all sales in Q3 2011. However, remember that the iPad2 will soon be replaced by an updated model, which will boost the sales market share. Same thing happened with the iPhone 4S.
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Re:Not so fast Intel...
You realize that Apple now is almost down to a 50% market share in tablets, right?
Would you be so kind to provide a source for that? The most recent numbers I could find are in the Guardian, where it's 88% worldwide and 95.5% in the US, from November 21, 2011.
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Re:Safe Harbour
Apparently US Immigration and Customs Enforcement say that having a
.com address is enough to bring you under US jurisdiction. Last three paragraphs.In other words: we will impose our corporatist justice system on any citizen of any friendly country. It's time for the rest of the developed world to stop being friendly to the USA.
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Re:In other words,
Or live in the UK: Richard O'Dwyer
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Re:Wait wait people give REAL money for credits???
Yes, it's really disturbing. Everytime I shop there I see people buying them.
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Re:No sign of the fuel?
From The Guardian's summary:
Not only did the committee find no increase in cases linked to emissions, but it also found similar numbers of leukaemia cases in proximity to sites that had been considered for nuclear power plants, but where building did not take place.
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Re:The open question...
You link to an article that explains that in one particular region of the Sahara the localised effects of climate change may have caused more rain, and hence desert greening. This does not mean that the same thing will occur everywhere in the world. In fact, desertification is increasing. Consider some other recent evidence:
climate change is making desertification "the greatest environmental challenge of our times"
Australia suffers worst drought in 1,000 years
THE GREAT DROUGHT OF 2011 Is America's Worst Since The Dust Bowl
Africa drought pushes Kenya and Somalia into pre-famine conditionsPredicting the world's overall changes in food production in response to elevated CO2 is virtually impossible. Global production is expected to rise until the increase in local average temperatures exceeds 3C, but then start to fall. In tropical and dry regions increases of just 1 to 2C are expected to lead to falls in production. In marginal lands where water is the greatest constraint, which includes much of the developing world but also regions such as the western US, the losses may greatly exceed the gains. Climate myths: Higher CO2 levels will boost plant growth and food production
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Re:The open question...
You link to an article that explains that in one particular region of the Sahara the localised effects of climate change may have caused more rain, and hence desert greening. This does not mean that the same thing will occur everywhere in the world. In fact, desertification is increasing. Consider some other recent evidence:
climate change is making desertification "the greatest environmental challenge of our times"
Australia suffers worst drought in 1,000 years
THE GREAT DROUGHT OF 2011 Is America's Worst Since The Dust Bowl
Africa drought pushes Kenya and Somalia into pre-famine conditionsPredicting the world's overall changes in food production in response to elevated CO2 is virtually impossible. Global production is expected to rise until the increase in local average temperatures exceeds 3C, but then start to fall. In tropical and dry regions increases of just 1 to 2C are expected to lead to falls in production. In marginal lands where water is the greatest constraint, which includes much of the developing world but also regions such as the western US, the losses may greatly exceed the gains. Climate myths: Higher CO2 levels will boost plant growth and food production
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Re:US doesn't mandate disclosure
I searched for GM Genocide because I have not heard of this term. I did find articles blaming GM food for Indian suicides. I also found this scientific study claiming that the suicide rates are unchanged:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/05/gmcrops-india
Perhaps you could cite a counter scientific study?
As to biodiversity, I don't see how it applies at all - unless we completely abandon farming and go back to foraging. Do you think that modern day wheat or apple trees can survive in the wild without humanity? Almost every crop is the by product of selective breeding and almost every crop exists because of human maintenance. Or do you want to abandon selective breeding as well?
GMO simply refines the same process used by farmers and ranchers for thousands of years. In fact, GM would allow farmers to customize a crop to a specific growing region and climate creating more "biodiversity" than the current selective breeding approach.
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Re:What kind of argument is that?
"The IPCC messed up over 'Amazongate' â" the threat to the Amazon is far worse"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/jul/02/ipcc-amazongate-george-monbiot
Somehow IPCC underestimated the global warming.
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Re:Isn't that anti-science?My approach is to do what needs to be done to prosecute criminals and secure the continuance of civilization.
Climate change denial is a Crime Against Humanity. That's a fact. Those who created this falsification of science and cost the world's peoples hundreds of millions of lives are criminals who will be pursued like criminals, prosecuted like criminals and hung like criminals.
No one cares what criminals think of the fairness of the process through which they're prosecuted. What matters is what society thinks of it.
Read history. Sociopaths always think they've hatched the perfect plan to use the law to evade the law. They think there's some clever legalese tactic that will just spin justice around and around itself so much that it will just have to let them go in the end.
This is exactly what Goring attempted in his trial.
"It was my honest opinion!!!".
"It was my religious belief!!!"
They told me to gas those Jews; I was under orders!"
"We were the law, so we broke no law!"
"The scientific evidence was inconclusive"
Yeah. You know what? You need to read history to see how this goes. Here's a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2010/nov/01/climate-science-disinformation-crime
Here's some more: http://climateforce.net/2012/01/17/crimes-against-humanity-pat-michaels-serial-deleter-of-inconvenient-data/
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Re:Isn't that anti-science?
Links, please, to back up where you believe the science is faulty, and to back up your premise that if you disagree with the general consensus of climatologists that it's hard to get funding. I just don't buy that; especially not with the general Republican stance. They love their climate denial scientists lots. Though, they seem to have a lot of trouble finding any to fund. And thus, they try to cut funding for ALL climate change research.
I do know, however, that GWBush tried to silence NASA scientists from talking about Global Warming, and that House Republicans are still at it (we all know how biased NASA is, right?
/snark)So, please. If you're going to make assertions, back them up. Otherwise, it's just faith based denial.
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Re:What kind of argument is that?
Oh, we're doing an experiment, all right. Unfortunately, if it pans out the way the vast majority of the scientific community, the military, the disease control folks and the insurance industry thinks it will, we're all pretty much screwed.
In other words, all the folks whose job it is to make predictions about what could go wrong and prepare for those things think that we're running such an experiment, and that it won't end well.