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Correct. Itanium started its life in HP Labs as 'PA Wide Word' before the HP-Intel alliance. Things evolved a good deal after that point though.

most PA-RISC code will run unmodified on Itanium machines.

That's correct, thanks to Aries.

the Itanium is able to transcode PA-RISC instructions

This is not correct. One goal of the Itanium instruction set was to allow efficient software translation of PA code, but that's about all the support there is.

HP has a set-up where you can "test drive" different OSes and hardware.

http://www.testdrive.hp.com/

Included are Linux, BSD, VMS, and HP-UX, Itanium, PA-RISC, Alpha, and x86.

Another interesting paper is about using correlation to estimate speed in an incremental way.

You can see, that the problem gets feasible as soon as you restrict the domain sufficiently. Restricting the domain is crucial in computer-vision. Otherwise you'll end up searching for the holy grail of computer-vision ;-)

A better comparrison would be of Microsoft or HP or IBM to bell.

Microsoft: least they are investing something like $1b/year into blue sky reasearch at the moment. there is a differance between investment in blue sky.

IBM: unfammiliar with the scope of their reasech but know that it is extensive.

HP: these guys are really supporting blue sky reasrach. My old physics department had a few profs funded by HP and HP has employed people to do fundamental theoretical reasarch into physics (amongst other subject). http://www.hpl.hp.com/about/http://www.hpl.hp.com/ about/

Google will probably only be a bit player in ther easearch market simply because they have such a narrow business model. Blue sky pays back when you have a large technalogical portflio so paying for pure reasearch may pay off in one of the feilds you work in down the line (5-15 years).

Google essentially focuses on the conceptual information indexing and retrival (by this i mean i don't think they are doing work on novel hardware etc beyond relatively trivaill networking issues). this is not going to change the our lives.

It may change some of the information we recive and how we mange information, but it's not going to offer any radical tangiable products or even theroteical work outside of realtively narrow constraints.

Intel's roadmap said there'd be 10GHz P4's. Oops.

AMD has low-wattage Turions for 64-bit notebooks, Athlon 64 X2 dual cores for high-end PCs, Opteron dual cores for workstations and servers, and regular Athlon 64's for everything in between. They may very well have quad cores early next year.

Yes, maybe in a year Intel will have fixed their management problems and have decent designs for their fabs to crank out. Meanwhile, AMD isn't sitting still. I can only conclude that either Jobs has lost his mind or Intel is paying Apple a lot more than the $150 million Microsoft did.

The Itanium supports both big and little endian. thus switching to this processor would be simpler than X86.

Since when do notebook computers come with socketed cpus?

Read the service guide. It's socketed. That's very common these days.

HP is already doing this, porting OpenVMS from Alpha to Itanium. They are also porting HP-UX and Nonstop.

http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/80518-0 -0-225-121.html
"HP Integrity and Integrity NonStop servers offer you:
* Broadest choice of the industry's leading operating environments: HP-UX 11i, Linux®, Microsoft® Windows® Server 2003, OpenVMS and NonStop OS"

As I see it, this will take away Microsofts benefit of cheaper hardware. Now it will only be down to what the OS and the apps can deliver.

Has anyone tried linking the B-D-W GC into FireFox?

(Resubmitted since I forgot to log in...) I have to wonder how reliable is a 1 molecule switch. Doesn't sound like much room for wear and tear ;) While many molecular electronic devices work (theoretically) with a single molecule, in practice, they are typically being used in a parallel fashion (lots and lots of devices used as a single transistor or diode or what not). Sounds inefficient, but this is the easiest way of connecting to these devices and to produce them (usually some form of self-assembly is required which, as it stands, will result in these parallel structures) Regarding wear and tare of molectronics, the QSR (Quantum Scientific Research group at HP developed rotaxane molecules, which are a sort of molecular switch and got about 200 or so write cycles out of them. I highly recommend reading the paper itself since it overviews aspects of molecular electronics, surveys other devices, shows how molectronics are typically made, and, most importantly, is hosted by the authors and thus freely available online.

(Resubmitted since I forgot to log in...) I have to wonder how reliable is a 1 molecule switch. Doesn't sound like much room for wear and tear ;) While many molecular electronic devices work (theoretically) with a single molecule, in practice, they are typically being used in a parallel fashion (lots and lots of devices used as a single transistor or diode or what not). Sounds inefficient, but this is the easiest way of connecting to these devices and to produce them (usually some form of self-assembly is required which, as it stands, will result in these parallel structures) Regarding wear and tare of molectronics, the QSR (Quantum Scientific Research group at HP developed rotaxane molecules, which are a sort of molecular switch and got about 200 or so write cycles out of them. I highly recommend reading the paper itself since it overviews aspects of molecular electronics, surveys other devices, shows how molectronics are typically made, and, most importantly, is hosted by the authors and thus freely available online.

(Resubmitted since I forgot to log in...) I have to wonder how reliable is a 1 molecule switch. Doesn't sound like much room for wear and tear ;) While many molecular electronic devices work (theoretically) with a single molecule, in practice, they are typically being used in a parallel fashion (lots and lots of devices used as a single transistor or diode or what not). Sounds inefficient, but this is the easiest way of connecting to these devices and to produce them (usually some form of self-assembly is required which, as it stands, will result in these parallel structures) Regarding wear and tare of molectronics, the QSR (Quantum Scientific Research group at HP developed rotaxane molecules, which are a sort of molecular switch and got about 200 or so write cycles out of them. I highly recommend reading the paper itself since it overviews aspects of molecular electronics, surveys other devices, shows how molectronics are typically made, and, most importantly, is hosted by the authors and thus freely available online.

I have to wonder how reliable is a 1 molecule switch.

Doesn't sound like much room for wear and tear ;)

While many molecular electronic devices work (theoretically) with a single molecule, in practice, they are typically being used in a parallel fashion (lots and lots of devices used as a single transistor or diode or what not). Sounds inefficient, but this is the easiest way of connecting to these devices and to produce them (usually some form of self-assembly is required which, as it stands, will result in these parallel structures)

Regarding wear and tare of molectronics, the QSR (Quantum Scientific Research group at HP developed rotaxane molecules, which are a sort of molecular switch and got about 200 or so write cycles out of them. I highly recommend reading the paper itself since it overviews aspects of molecular electronics, surveys other devices, shows how molectronics are typically made, and, most importantly, is hosted by the authors and thus freely available online.

I have to wonder how reliable is a 1 molecule switch.

Doesn't sound like much room for wear and tear ;)

While many molecular electronic devices work (theoretically) with a single molecule, in practice, they are typically being used in a parallel fashion (lots and lots of devices used as a single transistor or diode or what not). Sounds inefficient, but this is the easiest way of connecting to these devices and to produce them (usually some form of self-assembly is required which, as it stands, will result in these parallel structures)

Regarding wear and tare of molectronics, the QSR (Quantum Scientific Research group at HP developed rotaxane molecules, which are a sort of molecular switch and got about 200 or so write cycles out of them. I highly recommend reading the paper itself since it overviews aspects of molecular electronics, surveys other devices, shows how molectronics are typically made, and, most importantly, is hosted by the authors and thus freely available online.

I have to wonder how reliable is a 1 molecule switch.

Doesn't sound like much room for wear and tear ;)

While many molecular electronic devices work (theoretically) with a single molecule, in practice, they are typically being used in a parallel fashion (lots and lots of devices used as a single transistor or diode or what not). Sounds inefficient, but this is the easiest way of connecting to these devices and to produce them (usually some form of self-assembly is required which, as it stands, will result in these parallel structures)

Regarding wear and tare of molectronics, the QSR (Quantum Scientific Research group at HP developed rotaxane molecules, which are a sort of molecular switch and got about 200 or so write cycles out of them. I highly recommend reading the paper itself since it overviews aspects of molecular electronics, surveys other devices, shows how molectronics are typically made, and, most importantly, is hosted by the authors and thus freely available online.

Kidding aside All "Box" Manufacturers should be required to maintain recyclying similar to HP's http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/globalcitizenship/environ ment/recycle/ Turns out its not such a bad deal. Landfill is LOSS. Anything recycled is profit.

Ahh the infamouse step ????? = RECYCLE. Who knew.

"So if your uname says AMD64, PPC, SPARC, Alpha, or MIPS, the smug reply from Macromedia is "sorry 'bout your bad luck! Use Windows, buy an x86 machine!""

Sun Solaris (Sparc)

SGI IRIX

HP-UX

Pocket PC (color devices supported only)

I live right outside of Boston. I travel all over the US, and sometimes to Asia and Europe. I have a Verizon xv6600 phone and an HP / Compaq NC6000 laptop (both with Bluetooth.)

In the greater Boston area I get very close to DSL / cable modem download speeds. Upload speeds are lower, but still reasonable. My VPN connection and normal web browsing work just fine. I'm not a big gamer, so I can't comment game performance.

LA and New York city are about the same as Boston. In Albany NY, it's like a 33.6 modem at best. Same with San Fran. Latency and timeouts also seem much worse in these areas.

Outside of the US, I rarely get any connection at all.

I guess what I'm getting at is that it all depends on where you live and what kind of signal you have. Maybe if you live in a "fringe" area, you can get a n external antenna to help out.

The HP Pavillion zv6000 and Compaq R4000 notebooks use Socket 939 desktop CPUs with their aluminum lid removed. They've been shipping with the old 130nm core, all the way up to 4000+. In theory there's no reason you couldn't swap in a X2, so long as the BIOS supports it, although if you read the service manual they made it much more difficult to swap CPUs than they did on the zv5000z/R3000z series. Best to wait for HP to sell them with that option.

Too bad HP didn't include a card slot to upgrade from the onboard Radeon 200M video. Even with the 128MB dedicated RAM option (which all the retail models I've seen come with) it's too weak for serious gaming, which is pretty retarted for a desktop-replacement behemoth with the best gaming CPU on the planet. They also managed to break dual channel memory support, so sticking with the 3500+/3800+/etc ratings is a little misleading (subtract 100 to get the correct single-channel rating). That said, they're very inexpensive so you get an awful lot for your money.

Turion dual cores wait until next year. Meanwhile, this single-core Turion notebook looks very tempting, for those of us who can't quite afford a Ferarri.

Considering that the M$ environment is under constant pressure from various threats I would like to call the selection of that environment risky, and almost stupid. By selecting other environments you would be running the risk of being more dependent on a few persons with that particular competence. On the other hand the number of persons competent enough to cause trouble will also decrease significantly.

If I was involved I would have selected OpenVMS , now owned by HP as operating system for the servers running either MySQL or Oracle as a database and developing the software in Ada or (horrendous thought) Pascal or maybe Java.

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OpenVMS - The OS with longer uptimes than Microsoft support policies

True. The tapes appear cheaper for me at around £25 each - which for 400GB native is a lot cheaper than disk (200GB, 7200rpm, 8MB cache = approx £129 retail). Tape also scales massive storage amounts easier.

I have an HP ESL E-series (with 16 gen3 drives), ESL 9000 (gen2), EML E-series (which is very nifty IMHO), and most of the other doo-dads here.

My SAN is one of these throwing data over 2Gbps fiber through Brocade and Cisco switches.

The cool thing about the ESL E-series is that you can bolt multiple units together for more drives and slots (as you see fit) I think the (theoretical - no-one's built one) maximum is 25!

Nice toys :-)

True. The tapes appear cheaper for me at around £25 each - which for 400GB native is a lot cheaper than disk (200GB, 7200rpm, 8MB cache = approx £129 retail). Tape also scales massive storage amounts easier.

I have an HP ESL E-series (with 16 gen3 drives), ESL 9000 (gen2), EML E-series (which is very nifty IMHO), and most of the other doo-dads here.

My SAN is one of these throwing data over 2Gbps fiber through Brocade and Cisco switches.

The cool thing about the ESL E-series is that you can bolt multiple units together for more drives and slots (as you see fit) I think the (theoretical - no-one's built one) maximum is 25!

Nice toys :-)

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/histnfacts/museum /personalsystems/0038/ I've enjoyed using my little Jornada 820 for years now, for it's office suite (Pocket Office), internet capability, presentation options (can plug into a projector), etc.

I bought mine on e-bay, I'm sure they are still around.

Yes it runs Windows CE, no I'm not apologizing, it is a functional tool, just like my Linux system :)

MYTH #2: "New, innovative companies won't start up overseas."

Really? What do you think these laid-off chip designers are gonna do when they get back to Chennai? Sell trinkets to tourists?

MYTH #3: "R&D jobs don't go overseas. Hell, they don't even leave the US east and west coast, for the most part."

REALITY:

• GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
• HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
• HP Bangalore Research
• IBM India Research Center
• IBM China Research Center
• Microsoft Research Beijing

Per nasscom.org, "A recent study on the biotech market by business intelligence firm, Ernst & Young, has shown that India has the potential to become a leading hub of biotech projects. Indian companies have the capability to enter segments such as manufacturing biogenerics, contract research services, clinical trials and even areas such as bio-informatics."

MYTH #5: "Ultimately, what xenophobes need to realize is that writing shitty code doesn't make anyone "high-tech." You're no more entitled to an inflated salary than the auto workers who saw their work moved overseas - if someone with no education can do your job cheaper, you don't deserve your job."

"Accenture in India has also been moving into front office work such as doing clinical data management for its pharma clients. Accenture's pharma team here, which consists of doctors, dentists and biologists, analyses data from tests and helps its pharma client to gain `time-to-market' advantage. "Normally, for a BPO, back office activities are the target, but we are beginning to spot opportunities in front office activities as well," Cole said."

Not even Windows got this close :)

I have yet to test the 56k modem (or even look for that matter), the SD card reader (as I don't use it) and I've yet to try to suspend the laptop. But, for the rest to work without any hassles impressed me. I started playing with Linux back in the RedHat 4 days, and it was a different story then!

One good way to test Linux compatability would be to take a Live CD into the store and run it first. This way you can see within a few minutes if you will have any dramas or not!

Here they are: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF04a/3219 57-64295-89315-321838-f33.html

Funny that you should mention this. :)

Check out Polaris.

Hopefully somebody investigates OpenVMS as potential prior art here. The OpenVMS Condition Handling Facility provides substantially the same exception-handling functionality as SEH and has had much of it since the 80's. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/72final/5841/5841pro _038.html#chf_vaxalpha

...forgotten, perhaps, regarding Windows since the Microsoft / DEC Alliance days. But I've been running NetBSD's pkgsrc on a fully 64-bit OS for many years now (not to mention some others). In the OSS world, at least, 64 bit issues have been addressed for some time now.

There is the occasional badly-behaved audio or video application, coded originally on 32-bit x86 Linux, that must be hammered into shape. But it happens quickly enough that my Alpha is, and has been for years, a fully modern 64-bit desktop OS.

One of the issues at hand though is that if somebody has a problem with a product that directly relates to a major fault, one may not know about it if comments towards said fault are not known. This doesn't just affect new buyers (which I'm sure the censoring is aimed at not scaring away) but current owners who are trying to troubleshoot their problem.

I have a Pavillion ZD7000 laptop. This laptop has a *known* issue wherein if you fill the second RAM DIMM it will tend to spontaneously reboot if you use memory-intensive applications. So far there has been no fix since late last year, what comments I could find referencing it on HP are now faded into obscurity. This is a serious problem, and one that could land HP in a class-action lawsuit if it isn't remedied. I really can't see HP being very public about it, it would scare away potential customers and invite others to gather aginst them... but where else would somebody find out about such an unexpected issue? Most would probably assume it was the OS being flakey, and even googling doesn't come up with much on the issue.

I actually found my error when the adobe site came up with the issue in regards to PhotoShop (it also occurs in GIMP, etc). Sorry HP, but your solution isn't good enough...

printer

You can find the printer here at hp's website. (The link goes to the small business section.)

The models they have are:

• 1320 (no net, one tray, $400)
• 1320t (no net, two trays, $500)
• 1320n (Ethernet, one tray, $500)
• 1320nt (Ethernet, two trays, $600)
• 1320nw (802.11b/g, one tray, $550)

Each of the one or two paper trays holds 250 sheets, so you have to load them separately. All of them have a manual feed above the paper tray. All of them have USB 2.0, and the ones without networking (the 1320 and 1320t) have a parallel port as well.

This is just one more example of how corporate / business ethics has gone the way of the dinosaur, all we have is the structure all the flesh is fake. In the last few weeks we have seen this same type of flip-flop from at least three of the big ten in the Tech-sector "MS, HP and Oracle" and I am sure there are more. Have you ever read some of the rules of submission on some of these corporate blogs? HP: http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/termsofuse.htm l See: User submissions and Chat rooms and other user forums. We do not have the right to be heard if they wish to silence us they have that right "It is there bandwidth". It is the same way with politics here in the "LAND OF THE FREE"; "WE THE PEOPLE" are being silenced everyday! We the people have allowed the CEO's and politicians to run our life.

He starts off by needlessly telling us he's working on a Friday night, as if this is some indicator that he's taking the issue seriously...

Maybe he's just trying to make the point that he's just some guy, like you or me, who reads Slashdot. It's called making a human connection.

to be honest, when tom posted yesterday, i was travelling back west from the east coast and didn't know his post was removed until i got into the office this morning PST and reversed the decision which is being so passionately debated here.

...then nicely avoids holding anyone responsible for removing the posting, yet claims responsibility for fixing the problem...

Maybe he doesn't want to/doesn't need to/can't expose internal issues. If he fired his administrative assistant over this, would you want him to tell you that? Could he?

We run a commercial enterprise which lives and dies by our ability to build and deliver value to our customers from the largest enterprises to the home user - whether they be printers, PCs, servers, storage, services and of course management software. There are tens thousands of hard working people at HP, just like me who show up every day driven by this passion to deliver customer value.

...spews completely unnecessary shameless corporate spin...

Maybe this is the corporate mission statement, and he actually believes in it. Is delivering value to customers a bad thing?

We may not be perfect

...tries to paint his critics as people demanding perfection...

Nowhere does he do that. Maybe it's just a guy eating crow.

, but we strive to do what's right.

...then asks us to judge him on his intentions, not his actions.

Neither his intentions nor his actions were reprehensible.

This is shameless responsibility avoidance. Take an ethics class, David Gee.

I'm wondering what more you want. Guy not only recognizes the wrong thing was done and reverses it, he goes over to the very public forum of his primary critics (looks like he created an account just for this event) and publicly apologizes. Would you be man enough to do that?

No, I don't know either party and have no connection of any sort with HP.

He starts off by needlessly telling us he's working on a Friday night, as if this is some indicator that he's taking the issue seriously...

to be honest, when tom posted yesterday, i was travelling back west from the east coast and didn't know his post was removed until i got into the office this morning PST and reversed the decision which is being so passionately debated here.

...then nicely avoids holding anyone responsible for removing the posting, yet claims responsibility for fixing the problem...

We run a commercial enterprise which lives and dies by our ability to build and deliver value to our customers from the largest enterprises to the home user - whether they be printers, PCs, servers, storage, services and of course management software. There are tens thousands of hard working people at HP, just like me who show up every day driven by this passion to deliver customer value.

...spews completely unnecessary shameless corporate spin...

We may not be perfect

...tries to paint his critics as people demanding perfection...

, but we strive to do what's right.

...then asks us to judge him on his intentions, not his actions.

This is shameless responsibility avoidance. Take an ethics class, David Gee.

So it's friday night and i'm spending it reading the posts around the public discussion i had with Tom http://h20276.www2.hp.com/blogs/gee/2005/04/12/111 3321761000.html which started in earnest today. to be honest, when tom posted yesterday, i was travelling back west from the east coast and didn't know his post was removed until i got into the office this morning PST and reversed the decision which is being so passionately debated here. We run a commercial enterprise which lives and dies by our ability to build and deliver value to our customers from the largest enterprises to the home user - whether they be printers, PCs, servers, storage, services and of course management software. There are tens thousands of hard working people at HP, just like me who show up every day driven by this passion to deliver customer value. We may not be perfect, but we strive to do what's right.

In Customer Intimacy:

<May 5, 2005 2:26:43 PM PDT> thomashawk complained about the media center pc support

(Tom's post disappears, Tom writes a /. story rightly believing he was censored)

<May 6, 2005 4:14:43 PM PDT> D Gee responded and apologized for tom's bad experience

<May 6, 2005 4:41:33 PM PDT> thomashawk replied, saying: "Thanks for responding David. Can you explain why my initial comment was deleted and then reinstated? Thanks, Tom"

<May 6, 2005 6:23:53 PM PDT> D Gee informed him: "Tom - you can see my response in my entry "Taking it on the chin""

(Friday May 06, @07:24PM PDT, Slashdot post hits frontpage about HP censorship)

We had no effect on this. They changed their mind BEFORE they got publically shamed for it. Not that I'm agreeing with them removing the comment in the firstplace, but it's interesting.

In Customer Intimacy:

<May 5, 2005 2:26:43 PM PDT> thomashawk complained about the media center pc support

(Tom's post disappears, Tom writes a /. story rightly believing he was censored)

<May 6, 2005 4:14:43 PM PDT> D Gee responded and apologized for tom's bad experience

<May 6, 2005 4:41:33 PM PDT> thomashawk replied, saying: "Thanks for responding David. Can you explain why my initial comment was deleted and then reinstated? Thanks, Tom"

<May 6, 2005 6:23:53 PM PDT> D Gee informed him: "Tom - you can see my response in my entry "Taking it on the chin""

(Friday May 06, @07:24PM PDT, Slashdot post hits frontpage about HP censorship)

We had no effect on this. They changed their mind BEFORE they got publically shamed for it. Not that I'm agreeing with them removing the comment in the firstplace, but it's interesting.

In Customer Intimacy:

<May 5, 2005 2:26:43 PM PDT> thomashawk complained about the media center pc support

(Tom's post disappears, Tom writes a /. story rightly believing he was censored)

<May 6, 2005 4:14:43 PM PDT> D Gee responded and apologized for tom's bad experience

<May 6, 2005 4:41:33 PM PDT> thomashawk replied, saying: "Thanks for responding David. Can you explain why my initial comment was deleted and then reinstated? Thanks, Tom"

<May 6, 2005 6:23:53 PM PDT> D Gee informed him: "Tom - you can see my response in my entry "Taking it on the chin""

(Friday May 06, @07:24PM PDT, Slashdot post hits frontpage about HP censorship)

We had no effect on this. They changed their mind BEFORE they got publically shamed for it. Not that I'm agreeing with them removing the comment in the firstplace, but it's interesting.

In Customer Intimacy:

<May 5, 2005 2:26:43 PM PDT> thomashawk complained about the media center pc support

(Tom's post disappears, Tom writes a /. story rightly believing he was censored)

<May 6, 2005 4:14:43 PM PDT> D Gee responded and apologized for tom's bad experience

<May 6, 2005 4:41:33 PM PDT> thomashawk replied, saying: "Thanks for responding David. Can you explain why my initial comment was deleted and then reinstated? Thanks, Tom"

<May 6, 2005 6:23:53 PM PDT> D Gee informed him: "Tom - you can see my response in my entry "Taking it on the chin""

(Friday May 06, @07:24PM PDT, Slashdot post hits frontpage about HP censorship)

We had no effect on this. They changed their mind BEFORE they got publically shamed for it. Not that I'm agreeing with them removing the comment in the firstplace, but it's interesting.

In Customer Intimacy:

<May 5, 2005 2:26:43 PM PDT> thomashawk complained about the media center pc support

(Tom's post disappears, Tom writes a /. story rightly believing he was censored)

<May 6, 2005 4:14:43 PM PDT> D Gee responded and apologized for tom's bad experience

<May 6, 2005 4:41:33 PM PDT> thomashawk replied, saying: "Thanks for responding David. Can you explain why my initial comment was deleted and then reinstated? Thanks, Tom"

<May 6, 2005 6:23:53 PM PDT> D Gee informed him: "Tom - you can see my response in my entry "Taking it on the chin""

(Friday May 06, @07:24PM PDT, Slashdot post hits frontpage about HP censorship)

We had no effect on this. They changed their mind BEFORE they got publically shamed for it. Not that I'm agreeing with them removing the comment in the firstplace, but it's interesting.

Something similar happened to me and others with the HP support forums. See the following thread: http://tabletpcbuzz.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2 1659&whichpage=3
In particular (since that site can not take much trafic)
---- citing relevant parts of the thread on tabletpcbuzz:
Hmm. My efforts turned out to be futile, since HP removed all my complaints about the loud fan from the support forums. Maybe I was a bit intrusive after few days, when both technical support couldn't help, and my complaints remained unanswered, but they could have kept at least one thread about the issue open, or answer me a straight, but clear "don't even try, we will never ever resolve this problem for you"...
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I think this is really bad behaviour on HP's part.
I also posted on the HP thread that stevetooth opened. The thread indeed seems gone.
HP have full contact information for each person on the thread, since you have to sign up to post - including serial number of the TC1100. So they know they deal with customers, and have a phone number+address+email for each.
And yet they delete the thread - the don't mark it as resolved, which is an option, it is all gone.
---- Then, a second thread, is also removed:
Why has the thread at HP been removed????

http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsuppo rt/questionanswer.do?threadId=809256
---- (end of cite)

Finally, the following thread survived at the HP site:
http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsuppo rt/questionanswer.do?threadId=812063

I'm mentioning this mainly because I think it is bad behavior on HPs part, and people should know...

Something similar happened to me and others with the HP support forums. See the following thread: http://tabletpcbuzz.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2 1659&whichpage=3
In particular (since that site can not take much trafic)
---- citing relevant parts of the thread on tabletpcbuzz:
Hmm. My efforts turned out to be futile, since HP removed all my complaints about the loud fan from the support forums. Maybe I was a bit intrusive after few days, when both technical support couldn't help, and my complaints remained unanswered, but they could have kept at least one thread about the issue open, or answer me a straight, but clear "don't even try, we will never ever resolve this problem for you"...
---
I think this is really bad behaviour on HP's part.
I also posted on the HP thread that stevetooth opened. The thread indeed seems gone.
HP have full contact information for each person on the thread, since you have to sign up to post - including serial number of the TC1100. So they know they deal with customers, and have a phone number+address+email for each.
And yet they delete the thread - the don't mark it as resolved, which is an option, it is all gone.
---- Then, a second thread, is also removed:
Why has the thread at HP been removed????

http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsuppo rt/questionanswer.do?threadId=809256
---- (end of cite)

Finally, the following thread survived at the HP site:
http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsuppo rt/questionanswer.do?threadId=812063

I'm mentioning this mainly because I think it is bad behavior on HPs part, and people should know...

You made a jackass comment that was neither well written nor respectful (as you described it in your own blog post) on a company blog. I'm surprised they even put it back up.

I would like to rat out various folks who offered me counterfeit copies of your "windows" product: these, and these, and these, and these, and .....

Stick it to 'em. And good luck!

Yes but its not cool like an AlphaServer

Point taken.

Last I checked a Multia wasn't an Alpha Server

Or this one? http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/gs320/ We have a couple (running OpenVMS, of course), and they're pretty sweet.

Second that here, their generosity to Linux users should be recognized. We all know that IBM contributes heavily to Linux, but they are far from the only ones.

BTW-- I can attest that the dual Opteron DL145's from HP are rocking boxes for Linux.

If you have Procurve 5300's then this may be useful: http://www.hp.com/rnd/pdfs/virus_throttling_tech_b rief.pdf

Oh hey, one more followup. Since you mentioned the HP DL585 I configured that in a dual CPU config versus the dual CPU Xserve using the specs here and the "marketing document" I linked earlier for the Xserve.

Here's what I got:
DL585 800 Watts Max 2730 BTU Max
XServeG5 290 Watts Max 990 BTU Max

So, for 20% to 30% more performance, according to your numbers, you use 2x the power and 3x the cooling by using the HP DL585. In some cases that may make sense for the customer, in some cases in won't. But, I do think it illustrates my point that the Xserve often has better price/performance when you factor in power and cooling expense.

Come on. Stop scrooging and get a HP Storageworks Optical Jukebox. You know you want to... :D