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konqueror Has been doing this for how many years?

That was true 3-4 years ago, but no longer. You should really try out Dolphin--I think you'll find that it now has all the useful features from Konq. It also supports the fish: handler for protocol-agnostic remote usage (FTP, SSH, etc.).

Features that Konqueror has that Dolphin doesn't, that I use frequently:
1. File-size view.
2. Horizontal splitting, multiple splitting. For when you want to work on more than two directories at once (eg: live server / test server / place to dump old versions).
3. Display arbitrary kparts in views.
3a. Which, combined with (2), means you can have split-view of a PDF (and as many splits as you want), which is still the best solution that I know of.
4. Embedded konsole, so you can script and have a file manager in the same window.

Features that Dolphin has that Konqueror doesn't:
1. Support.

Konq supports the fish: handler, by the way. Arguably, splitting/tabbing/keeping tasks together is something that could be handled by the window manager, but KDE's window manager doesn't really do that very well, so Konq's support for it is invaluable.

You realize that KDE uses WebKit now, right? Apple forked KHTML into WebKit, and a few years ago, KDE decided to go with the forked KHTML, aka, WebKit.

https://techbase.kde.org/Proje...
https://konqueror.org/features...

which open source solutions are applications like iTunes, Safari, Angry Birds, Keynote, et al taken from?

I wasn't saying everything at Apple was based on Open Source the GP was doing a comparison. What I was comparing was how they handled GUIs in terms of and in comparison to open source. That is on Apple many open source applications need to focus on interface first. Safari which you wanted as a counter example is actually an example. Safari is a GUI wrapper around WebKit ( http://www.webkit.org/ ) which is a wrapper around the KHTML engine from KDE's http://www.konqueror.org/features/browser.php .

  As for iTunes: iTunes as it exists today is a bunch of integrated services. It isn't really a selling point for great interface rather it is something Apple is working around. However iTunes started as a music player, a DAAP server / client combination. Amarok, Banshee, Rhythmbox... are example clients. In terms of the server mt-daapd / Firefly, or Tangerine is an example server. Though I don't think there is any code dependency. Apple was too far ahead of the Open Source community on this one.

  Angry Birds isn't Apple. Keynote has even less to do with Open Source but is based on a closed source program from NeXT, Concurrence.
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In terms of Linux's lack of success I don't think it has failed. There are too many areas where it has been incredibly successful:
-- it has become 2nd place server OS
-- it is far and away the 1st place Super Computing OS
-- it has become a major virtual environment for mainframe software
-- it is a substantial player in embedded and likely the largest player though still nothing like dominant market share
-- it is the most popular phone tablet OS and a player in a few of the lesser known alternatives (Tizen, Sailfish)

In terms of desktop I always felt the Linux community was underestimating the complexity because the failed to understand how many verticals there were. I assumed the progression would end up looking for Windows like it did for Sun:

1) People are running exclusively closed source software on closed source OSes
2) People are running some open source software on closed source OSes
3) People are running mainly open source software on closed source OSes
4) People are running mainly open source software on open source OSes

On the desktop with Firefox, we moved from (1) to (2). That's opened the door for the motion from (2) to (3) which is what is happening with programs like Open Office. We also see solutions for most verticals being created. It is happening.

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Let me help you out... 3 pitches, 3 strikes.. your out...

http://www.konqueror.org/

Comes with a clean and secure OS at:

http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=28

Let me start some speculation here.

Apple took a bold move when they dumped their outdated and technologically inferior Mac OS and rather than starting from scratch they used open source (FreeBSD) at the heart of their new OS.

Another bold move when the Apple browser Safari was again based on an open source core (KHTML).

So I predict this new iPhone version will make the same bold and logical move and be based on ..... Android 2.2!

Go Apple! :) /me ducks for cover

And how's Safari doing on Linux, does anybody care to tell me?

Could be better, but there are some interesting developments happening.

Let's stop the Apple love fest for a moment and let's give props where they belong. There would be no Safari, Chrome, iPhone or Android browsers without the work done by these guys who wrote KHTML which was then updated with Apple's help into WebKit.

Ok, let's go back to the Apple love fest and all agree that MS can't keep up your favorite open source browser.

He just wants a couple of technical features built into the OSS browsers to support loading custom client-side code and for you to more easily know which license the code is under.

Well, we already have a bunch of popular open source web browsers. How about he use his open source ideals and implement it himself.

(Rip-off is appropriate, given how Apple did all it could to comply with the absolute minimum of the LGPL with regard to KHTML.)

Yeah, that's got the Konq guys SO pissed off they list Apple as being a developer for their project:

http://www.konqueror.org/developers/

Clearly you didn't pay attention to the controversy for more than five minutes. If you had, you'd know that the issues between Apple and the KHTML team got settled very amicably and they've been working together for several years now.

(Mostly the issue from the KHTML point of view was that Apple originally released Webkit as one giant monolithic source dump rather than exposing their internal version control system and incremental patches. That made it difficult to backport WebKit changes to KHTML, especially in light of the natural desire to review changes on an individual basis rather than hundreds of them mashed together. Apple ended up creating an open, live SVN repository (as in, it's the one they're using internally) and the two teams have hashed out how to work together.)

I haven't looked at it, but I've seen a number of comments about how bad the code Apple has written is. Little surprise then that they didn't write their own.

You haven't read any such comments. You're just projecting your desire to paint Apple as the Big Bad Guy into code quality. I have actually tried to read what the KHTML people think, and so far as I can tell, after the original problems with collaboration were ironed out, they've been very happy to have Apple on board. Apple is paying lots of developers to work full time on their browser, and those developers generate lots of fixes and feature/performance enhancements which can (and do) flow back to KHTML. Both sides have benefited from the other's participation, as should be the case in open source.

Maybe they should learn from the source to konqueror.

You can even set a default search engine. In that case anything that doesn't look like a valid URL goes to the default search engine. To top that off, you can select text, then middle-click on the background and it will be just like tossing the text into the location bar and pressing return. You can select a phrase from a web page and middle click to instantly run a web search on the phrase. It's one of Konqueror's coolest features.

Damn I wish there was a good, Open Source, cross platform browser based on WebKit.

Presto!

Citibank's online system worked brilliantly well with Konqueror until someone decided to update the online banking application to make it more "secure". Guess what was one of the security features they implemented. While in the past the application worked just fine with Konqueror, it is now programmed to check the browser string and completely disallow you to use the banking system unless the string is that of MSIE or Mozilla, asking you to update your "outdated" browser instead. Of course, it still runs perfectly well if you make your Konqueror to report an MSIE or Mozilla string. Bureaucratic organisations excel in making unnecessary choices, implementing them in the most worst way possible, and presenting them as security features. Anyway, this is better than the banking application of other banks that can work only with MSIE thanks to mystery Javascript. But even this is nothing compared with what I have seen at another bank, where all customers get by default access to the informational banking application with their credit card's number as the username and their birth date as the password, meaning that any cracker having these two pieces of information at hand would be able to find out your address, phone number, list of CC transactions, CC balance, and other private data.

http://www.konqueror.org/

These statistics make me wonder if Konqueror 4 will become another large competitor on Windows. Konqueror and Safari both share a very common core (KHTML/WebKit), so the renderring and page handling should be relatively the same. Web designers can get another speedy and a more native web browsers that tests their sites for the same purpose, and general users can get a lightweight, standards-compliant, open source web browser (without the OSS requirements, you can already get this with Opera, of course) that won't try to enforce another platform's "look'n'feel" like Apple's apps all do.

For the interested, you can grab an alpha copy of KDE 4 (download qt-copy, kdelibs, and kdebase at the very least; you can use either GCC/Cygwin or MS Visual Studio to compile it). On OS X, there are precompiled universal binaries for everything, and Kubuntu and openSUSE users can get packages for it from their respective websites.

Well, for one, users do react better to a UI that's visually appealing (but non-invasive). Although I personally think that Apple's Mail.app shown in the grandparent post violates this principle, OS X on a whole conforms to it pretty well.

As far as "amateurish UI element spacing and layouts", I refer you to this KDE Print Settins dialogue. Although the screenshot's somewhat dated (2004), I came across a similar dialogue this past week when using my University's linux cluster. Although the font configuration doesn't appear to have been borked like in the screenshot I linked to, the element spacing was the same, despite the smaller fonts (ie. huge window, small fonts).

There are a few examples of good UIs on KDE/GTK apps, but for the most part, they tend to look very sloppy. Win32 apps tend to look neutral and professional. OS X apps are a bit more flashy, but are on a similar level of "neatness".

I would doubt that it's even an issue with "open-sourceness". Adium, a (free) GAIM-based multi-platform IM client for OS X has what is easily one of the best UIs I've seen on an application regardless of license or platform.

Another complaint I have is that FOSS GUIs tend to rely a lot on toolbars and icons. Although this isn't necessarily a terrible thing in and of itself, It is more often than not the case that WAY too many icons are presented, and that the design of said icons gives very few visual cues as to the function of the button. Konqueror is a terrible offender of this crime. Although virtually every other browser on the planet gets by just fine with 4 or 5 buttons in the toolbar, Konqueror somehow feels that it's perfectly acceptable to put 17 buttons in the default toolbar.

It works just fine on my 64-bit machine running a 64-bit browser that uses a separate 32-bit program to run the plugins. I wish Firefox would take Konqueror's plugin approach so that a runaway plugin does not kill the browser and it's possible to do things like limit memory and CPU usage by plugins, or kill all plugins without shutting down the browser.

Apple right now is, for all intents and purposes, a minority player in the computer arena. The popularity of the iPod plus the feature set of OS X is attracting customers to the Mac product line, but Apple isn't a threat, yet. However, that doesn't mean their isn't room for concern. Apple's latest OS is built on the free, open source FreeBSD user land. Their web browser's rendering engine is based on KHTML, an open source toolkit developed in Konqueror. But Apple hasn't given much back to the community. Even what they are required by law to give back (enhancements to KHTML) has been done in large dumps rather than providing useful contribution to the Konqueror development team.

Why does any of this matter? It matters because it illustrates Apple's intent. Apple, just like MS, doesn't want to play nice, support open software or even standards. Apple sells DRM'd media on a closed platform that can only be played with Apple software and devices (iPod).

But the Catch 22 is, do you support them? Recently I've been encouraging friends and family to move to the Mac, and for now I still think it's a good idea. Why? Because Microsoft is still the number one bad guy and platform diversity will take away power from them. I think we should all be mindful of Apple's practices but their own arrogance will never allow them to be so dominant that they will be a threat. For instance, Apple demands that you use their platform to run their media and their OS. When new device X comes out that's more popular than the iPod, it will force Apple to support the device for have iTunes become irrelevant. Apple's choice not to allow their OS to be run on commodity hardware will hinder them from market dominance. I've long believed that the illusion of choice is part of what helped MS become a monopoly. People when their buying computers think, "should i get an HP, a Dell or an IBM?" When really all their getting is a Windows box.

Additionally, the shift away from traditional computing to the internet will also hinder Apple from being the next MS or Big Blue. Personally, I'm more worried about Google than Apple

Actually, it is not. The Konqueror-Embedded project has had a working browser for some time. It does require QT or QT/Embedded, but then again so does the version of Opera they were testing.

The only valid recourse for anybody who doesn't like the bugs is to either fix them, write a better browser altogether, or switch browsers, but good luck finding a better browser.

I have one question though. Is Firefox a GTK application? I see it resembles a GTK application and uses its dialogs. If not, when shall we see a KDE like looking Firefox? KDE folks, do something.

Why would the KDE folks want to do anything with Firefox? They already have a far superior web browser: Konqueror. It's designed from the bottom up to integrate perfectly with KDE. No matter what they did to Firefox, they could never get it to rival Konqueror.

And yes, Firefox can often be considered a GTK+ application. The default build for Linux, in addition to that supplied by many distributions, uses GTK+ 2.x. Of course, Firefox has other graphics backends, including GTK+ 1.x and Xlib.

Just don't do it using MSIE.

Simple, eh?

Of the 4 browsers I have here, all are safer in JavaScript than MSIE (FireFox, SeaMonkey, Opera, Konqueror). Three of those are easily available for 'doze & even Konqueror can be made to work in it.

Er... sorry, I also have lynx, links & w3m available, plus Galeon and a few other GNOMEish built-ins kicking around. Spoilt for choice!

IE 7 still did not correctly implement the box model, positioning, all CSS1, all CSS2, or any CSS3. The same IE-specific parsing bugs for CSS are in place in IE 7.

At this point, you have to ask; is it that the people at Microsoft are incapable of producing a specs-compliant rendering engine (when every one else in the world can?), that they are roped by backwards compatibility, or that they think people will see IE 6 + tabs as "good enough"?

It's to the point where every site I make has 2 code paths: not IE, and the IE-specific overrides (up to an additional 20kb per page!).

Lynx is still alive and kickin' – I'm a Linux hacker, so use it all the time myself (great if the latest dev build of X doesn't want to work, or I just need to grab a quick file and don't know the exact URL... plus it's just so much faster than most of the other browsers I know, and I'm always running at least one Eterm window so I like having it run in the terminal). Of course, if you'd rather have a more graphical browser, Dillo (see also another comment I wrote so I don't have to repeat myself) is a really nice one, at least if you run a UNIX-ish operating system – actually, I think there's a Windows port available as well, although I don't remember the site.

Personally, I think the best "power user's browser" is Konqueror – it has tabs and split windows, supports XHTML/CSS/JavaScript, manages my files, can open almost every known filetype embedded within its own program window, – and the rarely-mentioned but highly useful ability to run a terminal emulator inside itself, which is great if you're trying to design a Web site and need to see both the code and preview at the same time.

Kubuntu 6.06 has also been released and is fully supported by Canonical. You can download it and order free Kubuntu CDs through Shipit.

Kubuntu features the latest version of the ever popular and advanced K Desktop Environment, which has killer apps such as the AmaroK music player, the Kaffeine movie player, the Konqueror file manager and web browser, and the KOffice suite.

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One of the selling points of Flock (which, incidentally, I first heard of through Slashdot) is that it has built-in blogging within your Web browser, which lets you write everything while you're reading another site. No need to log in or anything, you just configure it for your site and it runs.

As for spell checking, etc. – one of my all-time favorite things about Konqueror is that it's got more features than just about any other browser I can think of due to the heavily integrated nature of KDE. For example, the spell-checking example – every <textarea> in Konqueror has spell checking automatically enabled. And I think you can even run KOffice embedded into Konqueror – there's probably some way or other – although I'm not entirely sure on that one because I'm not that obsessive.

Oh, and horribly off-topic, but the best thing about it? The built-in terminal emulator lets you run a Web browser, eg. Lynx, within itself – you have two Web browsers in one! Now that's what I call a useful program.

KDE is broken in the latest Fedora release, which doesn't really surprise me given the fact that Red Hat has always had abyssmal support for KDE.

I think applications like Konqueror File Manager, K3B for burning CDs and DVDs, AmaroK for listening to music, Kaffeine for watching movies, etc are a must for a desktop computer. It's a shame that Red Hat doesn't put more resources into ensuring KDE is usable on their systems.

Anyway, I'll stick with ArkLinux, Kubuntu and openSUSE since KDE actually works on those distros.

The other Free Software options:
http://www.konqueror.org/
http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/
http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/
http://www.caminobrowser.org/

And the non-free ones, like Opera is...
http://www.apple.com/safari/
http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/

Although I primary use and love Konqueror, I wish to congratulate the SeaMonkey developers for continuing the suite project. I actually hate Firefox, although I have it installed (together with Epiphany, Mozilla, Opera and other browsers).

Have you tried Konqueror? I'm a Firefox user myself, but Konqueror definitely offers some of the best features and speediness you'll ever get from a web browser. Don't forget that it's Free!

If you don't like Firefox's attempt to give away your privacy, there is a perfectly good FOSS browser you can use:

Konqueror

In some instances, it may render web pages even better than Firefox, since Konqueror passed the Acid2 test.

Agreed, but don't forget where Safari comes from.

Reading this on Konq now, an excellent browser with much promised for version 4.

Mark Shuttleworth and now Linus Torvalds seem realize the value of KDE's superior architecture, on which which many must-have KDE apps. These apps don't have any gnome equivalents that are nearly as useful and feature-rich:

AmaroK music player -- The most feature-rich and polished music player on the Free Software platform.

K3b -- Best CD and DVD authoring program with intuitive wizards, on the fly transcoding between WAV, MP3, FLAC, and Ogg Vorbis, normalization of volume levels, CDDB, DVD Ripping and DivX/XviD encoding, Save/load projects, automatic hardware detection/calibration and much more.

DigiKam -- The most feature-rich application for digital photo management.

Wireless Assistant -- Most user-friendly app for connecting to wireless networks. Managed Networks Support, WEP Encryption Support, Per Network (AP) Configuration Profiles, Automatic (DHCP, both dhcpcd and dhclient) and manual configuration options, Connection status monitoring, etc

KDE Education -- Educational (Science, Literature, Geography, etc) programs for children. Could play a big role in whether school districts decide to use Free Software in their classrooms.

Konqueror File Manager -- Embeded image/PDF/music/video viewing (via KMPlayer [kde.org]) and a tree-view arrangement of the filesystem familiar to Windows users (Nautilus doesn't come anywhere close)

KDE Control Center -- Centralized location for desktop control. Controls _all_ common aspects of the KDE applications: language, power settings, special effects, icon and window themes, shadows, shortcuts, printers, privacy, etc. This is what makes KDE so well integrated -- all KDE apps respect changes made here, so they all have the same feel. SUSE has even made YAST a module of the KDE control center so users can access distro-specific settings from here. Compare this to the dismembered approach Red Hat (and other gnome distros) have been forced to adopt in the absence of a centralized gnome control center. (ie. a bunch of individial programs named redhat-config-**** that nobody can ever remember)

Seamless, transparent network file access on SMB, FTP, SSH and WebDav networks from _any_ KDE application.

Kaffeine -- The most polished FOSS movie player.

MythTV -- The most advanced analog and digital TV viewer/recorder in the Free Software world (built using QT).

Baghira -- A native QT style that faithfully imitates OS X eyecandy, aimed at new users coming from the Mac world.

Klik -- Gives non-expert access to bleeding edge versions of apps without requiring any compilation or permanent installation.

KDE and QT also make up a technically superior platform for developers, drastically lowering the learning curve for programmers new to FOSS development. KDE apps can be built from the ground up using the best development tools in the Free Software world (which also happen to be built on QT/KDE):

Kdevelop for syntax highliting, application templates, and project organization.

QT designer for GUI development

Quanta -- Rich web development environment for PHP, CSS, DocBook, HTML, XML, etc with advanced context sensitive autocompletion, internal preview and more.

Ars Technica is reporting that Nokia 770 Internet uses Opera, but I would think it's quite possible that Nokia will offer updates containing a KHTML-based browser (some version of Konqueror) soon.

Nokia has been collaborating with KDE developers to build a browser for some of their other embeded systems, such as the Series 60 Smartphone. Nokia engineers have stated that KHTML is more resourceful than Gecko, has a cleaner architecture, and starts up faster. Also, KHTML is free (LGPL), while Opera is proprietary and therefore probably requires them to pay licensing fees and royalties.

Good news all round, it would seem. :)

Indeed, here are some must-have KDE apps that are certainly going to help SuSE's popularity as a desktop operating system :
AmaroK music player -- Intuitive, powerful, good-looking music player. Supports transfers to/from iPods and many audio formats.

K3b -- Best CD and DVD authoring program with intuitive wizards, on the fly transcoding between WAV, MP3, FLAC, and Ogg Vorbis, normalization of volume levels, CDDB, DVD Ripping and DivX/XviD encoding, Save/load projects, automatic hardware detection/calibration and much more.

DigiKam -- The most feature-rich application for digital photo management.

Wireless Assistant -- Most user-friendly app for connecting to wireless networks. Managed Networks Support, WEP Encryption Support, Per Network (AP) Configuration Profiles, Automatic (DHCP, both dhcpcd and dhclient) and manual configuration options, Connection status monitoring, etc

KDE Education -- Educational (Science, Literature, Geography, etc) programs for children. Could play a big role in whether school districts decide to use Free Software in their classrooms.

Konqueror File Manager -- Embeded image/PDF/music/video viewing (via KMPlayer [kde.org]) and a tree-view arrangement of the filesystem familiar to Windows users (Nautilus doesn't come anywhere close)

KDE Control Center -- Centralized location for desktop control. Controls _all_ common aspects of the KDE applications: language, power settings, special effects, icon and window themes, shadows, shortcuts, printers, privacy, etc. This is what makes KDE so well integrated -- all KDE apps respect changes made here, so they all have the same feel. SUSE has even made YAST a module of the KDE control center so users can access distro-specific settings from here. Compare this to the dismembered approach Red Hat (and other gnome distros) have been forced to adopt in the absence of a centralized gnome control center. (ie. a bunch of individial programs named redhat-config-**** that nobody can ever remember)

Seamless, transparent network file access on SMB, FTP, SSH and WebDav networks from _any_ KDE application.

Kaffeine -- The most polished FOSS movie player.

MythTV -- The most advanced analog and digital TV viewer/recorder in the Free Software world (built using QT).

Baghira -- A native QT style that faithfully imitates OS X eyecandy, aimed at new users coming from the Mac world.

Klik -- Gives non-expert access to bleeding edge versions of apps without requiring any compilation or permanent installation.

KDE and QT also make up a technically superior platform for developers, drastically lowering the learning curve for programmers new to FOSS development. KDE apps can be built from the ground up using the best development tools in the Free Software world (which also happen to be built on QT/KDE):

Kdevelop for syntax highliting, application templates, and project organization.

QT designer for GUI development

Quanta -- Rich web development environment for PHP, CSS, DocBook, HTML, XML, etc with advanced context sensitive autocompletion, internal preview and more.

BKSys environment for a complete replacement of the autotool chain (libtool

It doesn't support my favourite Web browser, so I guess if I want to play it I will have to wait until they (Google Maps and everyone else who uses AJAX) fix their website.

The real issue is who is going to pay for the next generation of KDE development if SuSE isn't going to pay.

Mandrake, Kubuntu/Mark Shuttleworth, Trolltech seem realize the value of KDE's superior architecture, on which many must-have KDE apps have been built. These apps don't have any gnome equivalents that are nearly as useful and feature-rich:

AmaroK music player -- Steve Jobs' nightmare, the single greatest threat to Itunes on the Free Software platform.

K3b -- Best CD and DVD authoring program with intuitive wizards, on the fly transcoding between WAV, MP3, FLAC, and Ogg Vorbis, normalization of volume levels, CDDB, DVD Ripping and DivX/XviD encoding, Save/load projects, automatic hardware detection/calibration and much more.

DigiKam -- The most feature-rich application for digital photo management.

Wireless Assistant -- Most user-friendly app for connecting to wireless networks. Managed Networks Support, WEP Encryption Support, Per Network (AP) Configuration Profiles, Automatic (DHCP, both dhcpcd and dhclient) and manual configuration options, Connection status monitoring, etc

KDE Education -- Educational (Science, Literature, Geography, etc) programs for children. Could play a big role in whether school districts decide to use Free Software in their classrooms.

Konqueror File Manager -- Embeded image/PDF/music/video viewing (via KMPlayer) and a tree-view arrangement of the filesystem familiar to Windows users (Nautilus doesn't come anywhere close)

KDE Control Center -- Centralized location for desktop control. Controls _all_ common aspects of the KDE applications: language, power settings, special effects, icon and window themes, shadows, shortcuts, printers, privacy, etc. This is what makes KDE so well integrated -- all KDE apps respect changes made here, so they all have the same feel. SUSE has even made YAST a module of the KDE control center so users can access distro-specific settings from here. Compare this to the dismembered approach Red Hat (and other gnome distros) have been forced to adopt in the absence of a centralized gnome control center. (ie. a bunch of individial programs named redhat-config-**** that nobody can ever remember)

Seamless, transparent network file access on SMB, FTP, SSH and WebDav networks from _any_ KDE application.

Kaffeine -- The most polished FOSS movie player.

MythTV -- The most advanced analog and digital TV viewer/recorder in the Free Software world (built using QT).

Baghira -- A native QT style that faithfully imitates OS X eyecandy, aimed at new users coming from the Mac world.

Klik -- Gives non-expert access to bleeding edge versions of apps without requiring any compilation or permanent installation.

KDE and QT also make up a technically superior platform for developers, drastically lowering the learning curve for programmers new to FOSS development. KDE apps can be built from the ground up using the best development tools in the Free Software world (which also happen to be built on QT/KDE):

Kdevelop for syntax highlighting, application templates, and project organization.

QT designer for GUI development

Quanta -- Rich web development environment for PHP, CSS, DocBook, HTML, XML, etc with advanced con

I think a lot of Suse customers will not be so pleased.

Of course SUSE customers won't be pleased. There are many must-have desktop apps built on the KDE framework that don't have any good gtk equivalents:

AmaroK music player -- Steve Jobs' nightmare, the single greatest threat to Itunes on the Free Software platform.

DigiKam -- The most feature-rich application for digital photo management.

Konqueror File Manager" -- Embeded image/PDF/music/video viewing (via KMPlayer) and a tree-view arrangement of the filesystem familiar to Windows users (Nautilus doesn't come anywhere close)

Seamless, transparent network file access on SMB, FTP, SSH and WebDav networks from _any_ KDE application.

Kaffeine -- The most polished FOSS movie player.

Baghira -- A native QT style that faithfully imitates OS X eyecandy, aimed at new users coming from the Mac world.

KDE and QT also make up a technically superior platform for developers, drastically lowering the learning curve for programmers new to FOSS development. KDE apps can be built from the ground up using the best development tools in the Free Software world (which also happen to be built on QT/KDE):

QT designer for GUI development

Kdevelop for syntax highliting, application templates, and project organization.

BKSys environmentfor a complete replacement of the autotool chain (libtool+automake+autoconf+make) that will make dependency a whole lot more simpler and efficient.

Gnome is way behind KDE with regards to these features. The only reason Redhat's doing so well with Gnome is because they're targeting geeky sysadmins who don't care about having a good-looking desktop. The other 99% of the world does care, and gnome just doesn't fit the bill.

Konqueror can work in 64bit while using 32bit Flash. That's what I use on my AMD64.

Not really. Under the old regulations, web sites could use open source software to write code that excludes open source browsers.

Granted, the new regulation doesn't really fix this (it is enough to publish source code... much of which is public anyways if it is client-side javascript), but it's a step into the right direction.

Mozilla is a disaster waiting to happen. It's that simple. A large portion of the browser is written in JavaScript. In fact, the browser's UI JavaScript can actually call JavaScript functions located in an HTML page.

Eventually someone is going to figure out how to reverse the process and call "chrome" JavaScript from "non-chrome" JavaScript, and then it's all over. Since JavaScript can access literally anything in Mozilla, you've got a nice cross-platform vulnerability waiting to happen.

Extensions are proof enough of this. Yes, extensions can add a lot of functionality - but there really isn't that much different between an extension and a web page.

Internet Explorer may be a security joke now, but if Mozilla ever gains any popularity, it'll be an even bigger joke than Internet Explorer. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

The Symantec report is proof that this is starting to happen. If you want to use a secure browser, they're out there, but Mozilla most certainly ISN'T one.

I just add a bit on that list from top of my head.
Although I think the listed app goes beyond what the so called 'average pc user' wants, but there goes...

1. Konqueror ( http://www.konqueror.org/ )

2. Email - Sylpheed ( http://sylpheed.good-day.net/ )

3. I think Evolution is more like in this place.

4. Lately "Sound Juicer" is taking more attention too

5. VideoLAN aka VLC ( http://www.videolan.org/ ) and Ogle ( http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/ ) [and Goggles ( http://www.fifthplanet.net/goggles.html ) for Ogle GUI wrapper] for DVD watching.

6. There are plenty way to do this, but the typical ones could be 'Jinzora' ( http://www.jinzora.org/ ) and 'MusicPD' ( http://www.mpd.org/ ), even plain Apache does it fine too, in a way.

8. If you want easier to manage iptables wrapper, Shorewall ( http://www.shorewall.net/ ) and there are other wrappers too.

9. KOffice ( http://www.koffice.org/ ) and by individual components, Abiword ( http://www.abisource.com/ ), Gnumeric ( http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnumeric/ ), Gnucash ( http://www.gnucash.org/ )

10. Inkscape ( http://www.inkscape.org/ ) or Sodipodi ( http://www.sodipodi.com/ ) for vector graphics.

11. Miranda ( http://miranda-im.org/ ). Windows only.

13. Hmm , Samba? ( http://www.samba.org/ ), WedDAV (Look parent post), FTP (plenty ftp daemons, ex : http://www.proftpd.org/, http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ etc)

16. GPhoto ( http://www.gphoto.org/ ), EOG ( http://www.gnome.org/ ? ), GQView ( http://gqview.sourceforge.net/ ). The latters are for just viewing mainly.

20. FreeNX ( http://www.nomachine.com/ , http://freenx.berlios.de/ ) http://www.poptop.org/ ), L2TPd ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/l2tpd ), RP-L2TPd ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/rp-l2tp/ )

24. Postfix ( http://www.postfix.org/ ), Sendmail ( http://www.sendmail.org/ ), Exim ( http://www.exim.org/ ), Cyrus ( http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/imapd/ ), Xmail ( http://www.xmailserver.org/ ), qmail ( http://www.qmail.org/ )

25. Spamassassin ( http://spamassassin.apache.org/ )

26. Same as above.

27. XSane ( http://www.xsane.org/ ) for sane frontends.

30. Buzzmachines ( http://www.buzzmachines.com/ ) I could be wrong...

31. 'various GUI frontends' - X CD Roast ( http://www.xcdroast.org/ ), K3B ( http://k3b.sourceforge.net/ )

32. Don't know any opensource ones...

I'm looking at you Internet Explorer, you Safari and you Konqueror (they don't even tell you the default, but on Ubuntu it spoofs as "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible;" as well as "(like Gecko)" ).

You could always try an OS that properly implements the whole shared library thing.

What is the status with other web browsers Safari, Konqueror, Opera thay have little market share and say. Are thay ready?