Slashdot Mirror

Not the same AC, but I also remembered this from years ago (2007).

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?12646-Atomic-Wings

Sounds good to me, would love to see commercial flights, non-stop, no fuel loss or weight. No more fuel taxes. Even cheaper flights.

They are not armed with anything this legislation is trying to ban/limit.

The Secret Service now carries as its sidearm Sig Sauer P229s in .357 SIG, which has a capacity of 12 rounds which would be illegal per this legislation.

It also uses FN Hernstal P90 submachine guns as a close combat/carry weapon, and that weapon also violates the proposed legislation.

Happy now, dumb ass?

I don't know, are you?

" but are stuck with a crap theocratic government through little fault of their own."

Inaction is consent. Syrians resist their government The vast majority of Iranians do not.

The way to be rid of such a toxic government is revolution. Syrians are killing Assadists, killing their supporters, and bravely taking on tanks and AFVs in urban street fighting. Syrians figured out the solution to government thugs is to kill them, so they do.

Ongoing thread at militaryphotos:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?204322-Syrian-Uprising-Photos-and-Videos-Thread-Read-First-post-Excessive-graphic-warn

In the photos post (which incidentally belongs to 2 years ago) the last post shows the upgraded HUD and MFD. They are all digital equipments and use LCD displays.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?178754-Iranian-Cobra-upgrade-Toufan-(Storm)&p=4924255&viewfull=1#post4924255

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?20677-Vaunted-Patriot-Missile-Has-a-Friendly-Fire-Failing .... But after the war, congressional and independent analyses concluded that the Patriot may actually have missed every Scud it targeted....

Tell that joke to astronauts dispersing anti-shark dye in water, they might find it decidedly not funny.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?1365-Some-new-Pararescue-photos/page26#378

http://yuckylicious.blogspot.com/2011/11/moonpie.html

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?129340-Iranian-navy-reveals-new-missile-boat-class

http://hello.news352.lu/edito-64397-iran-starts-producing-missile-launching-assault-boats.html

Basically speedboats with missiles. Looks like they've been churning them out too.

Didn't you even Google "iran missile boat" before posting?

Yes, yes, diesel-powered speedboats. Which need diesel. Frequently. Tell me, where do you think a few cruise missiles will be headed when you want to make their diesel-powered speedboats useless?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?129340-Iranian-navy-reveals-new-missile-boat-class

http://hello.news352.lu/edito-64397-iran-starts-producing-missile-launching-assault-boats.html

Basically speedboats with missiles. Looks like they've been churning them out too.

Didn't you even Google "iran missile boat" before posting?
 

Sorry, some of my links didn't work. You can see the bumps here:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-reveals-rq-170-sentinel-is-new-stealth-uav-335875/

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?172150-RQ-170-Clear-Daylight-Photo

Since the US has already admitted they lost one around that time I'd say there is fair chance it is genuine. Iran is not some backwater country, they have the technology to do this kind of thing.

That same thing happened on 1942 between Hitler and Mannerheim... in that case, it was national radio worker luck that the recorder was on same cabin where they were talking.

It is only recording where Hitler is speaking in privat. Not even Hitlers bodyguard recognized Hitler on it by first as the voice is calm and rational.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-24880.html
http://www.ww2f.com/wwii-general/10807-conversation-between-mannerheim-hitler.html

Your arrogant attitude and dismissive comments do nothing to advance your points. I have not revealed my religions beliefs, I am taking an anthropological approach to this problem. Unless you have a problem with science there is no reason to be such a dick.

In fact, if you take a moment to examine your own desire to berate me, you will see it is a direct result of your own evolutionary instinct to be an alpha in this herd (Slashdot). Like it or not, you are a herd animal with a strong desire for hierarchy. Most primates are. So are all domesticated animals above 100 lbs, a direct reflection our ability to hack the herd instinct for our benefit. A link to Chapter 9 from Jarrod Diamond's Gun's Germs and Steel so you can read more about this: http://www.udel.edu/anthro/roe/diamond9.pdf

As a herd animal with a strong need for hierarchy, human societies go through 4 stages of religion: animism, polytheism, monotheism, then atheism. We start worshiping the elements, then assign gods to those elements, then a certain god becomes primary, then we discard god. The Greeks did it. The Romans did it. The Hebrews are still at stage 3 though some could argue that after WWII they may have transitioned to stage 4. Europe is at stage 4, America at stage 3.

In polytheistic societies each city tends to focus around a single god. Here is a good link that shows both the animism and patron gods of Greek cities: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?120692-Ancient-Greek-City-States-Standards
You can see from the photos how an animal or element is used to symbolize a god and each city in ancient Greece had a patron god. Athens was Athena, Sparta was Lacedaemon. As each city state became part of the larger Greek world their patron gods were added to the mix in a hierarchy that reflected the city states' relative power.

Polytheism was a brilliant religious invention that allowed these cities to coexist with different patron gods (different alphas) by imagining a herd of gods in the sky. As different cultures achieved prominence the primary god changed. As Greece fell so did Zeus, as a Rome rose so did Jupiter. In other words, the polytheism of Greece and Rome was key to their success. The same things still exists in India today where each family has its own patron god. The Catholic church has patron saints (mini-gods) and the triumverate (3 gods in one).

The point I am trying to make here is that we are herd animals and we use the concept of gods to hack our evolution. It provides stability for the herd because deep down we are all animals.

To the second point about atheists. What happens if you apply a selective pressure to an evolving system? The system will respond in way that those most adapted to that pressure out compete those who do not. For the last 7000 years there has been a selective pressure on humans: religion. Those who were most able to adapt to the selective pressure of religion had access to more mates and out breed those who did not. Your genes are shaped by that evolutionary pressure. If your ancestors had a genetic pre-disposition towards blind violence or raping they were more likely to be removed from the herd.

What happens when you remove a selective pressure from an evolving system? If there is no advantage to those traits, they quickly degrade from the population. Societies that remove themselves from religion remove the selective pressures of religion. Religion is a brilliant technique to get the individual to willingly submit their own needs to the needs of society. It provides an immense benefit for society and without it societies quickly degrade.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” Seneca quotes (Roman philosopher, mid-1st century AD)

While it was business as usual in the Israeli R&D world, next door in the Palestinian territories, researchers weren't slowing down either. There were some stunning new breakthroughs in suicide bomb belts, which researchers found had a ten percent higher effectiveness rate when the nails were dipped in AIDS infected blood.

No, I am not joking.

I don't want to turn this into the Israel vs Palestinian discussion, but seriously, have a look at Israel's achievements and then compare them to the ENTIRE MUSLIM WORLD (not just the Palestinians). Talk about picking a winning side...

"No doubt the nazis killed many Russian civilians, but that doesn't mean that the Red Army didn't consider individual soldiers' lives expendable too."

Duh. Soldiers' lives are by definition expendable.

"During the early years of the war, the Red Army didn't bother with sophisticated infantry tactics, but simply attacked in massive infantry waves, most of which would die."

And that is totally not true, "mass unarmed infantry waves" are pure fiction. While there might have been few such cases, such waves are not possible from military standpoint (I'm a trained military reserve officer, btw). http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?122932-Soviet-quot-human-waves-quot - has a nice overview.

"As for atrocities, they were common on both sides on the eastern front. Germany was probably to blame for the incredible viciousness, because they started the entire war to gain living space towards the east. Space for Germans to live in, and therefore preferably not occupied by other people."

Again, atrocities were not even in the same order of magnitude. They were not comparable at all. It was not uncommon for Hitler's forces to exterminate the whole villages, for example, by burning everybody alive. Or to execute 100 civilians for each dead soldier.

And while Red Army did commit some crimes mass executions of civilians were never sanctioned by direct orders. And it's fairly obvious by looking at the casualties:
Red Army - 10,600,000 (total)
Civilians in the USSR - around 20,000,000.
Wehrmacht - 4,300,000.
Civilians in Germany - around 600000, including post-war mass relocations.

We tried, State Department, CIA and "neutral" countries with embassies in Kabul in September '01 all tried to work with the Taliban to give up Al Qadea in Afghanistan but the Taliban stuck to the Quran and regional tribal rules about about keeping and honoring a guest and giving asylum.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/391/ - Quran has alot about it, and AQ and OLB had asked for asylum from the Taliban.

We tried with cash, aid, everything we could think of but no joy.

There was a SEAL team in Afghanistan who got ambushed, one guy escaped in Taliban territory, total of 19 Americans died in the whole thing, he is taken in by a village, Taliban comes for him, village won't give him up, Taliban goes "OK, thats the law..." leaves.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?113965-The-Sole-Survivor-Navy-Seal-Team-in-Afghanistan-WashPost

The grenades can be variable loads.

Yeah, but can it fire a chainsaw?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?66428-Rocket-Propelled-Chainsaw-(in-action).

Oh, well, I'm not stupid. Tons of things in the SW universe make absolutely no sense. The storm trooper uniforms are stupid, kind of remind me of French Legionnaire uniforms that always made me laugh when I saw someone dressed like that in the desert. The red flags on your shoulders make you stick out like a sore thumb regardless of where you are.

Um, that's the dress-uniform. Or are US Marines fighting dressed like this. I can see that sword being handy in modern battlefield....

The actual combat uniform of the Legionnaires is the same as regular French military uses. You can see some pics of those here

ossetia is a resources rich region. russia had north ossetia. since 1.5 2 years, they had been supporting, arming and giving russian citizenship to separatists there, who was wanting to annex to russia. the majority of '70.000 citizens' russia purports that it is protecting are comprised of these.

then suddenly a few months ago these 'separatist' political group started wearing uniforms and acting like a militia. and then proceeded to break away.

naturally, as this is a region in the MIDDLE of georgia, they moved their troops there to assure their territorial integrity.

naturally voila - the MAFIA administration of russia, which had suppressed ANY opposition inside russia by killing its own human rights advocate citizens, opposition members, any dissenters, have suddenly embarked on a PEACEKEEPING mission. and COINCIDENTIALLY, abkhazia, another ethnic region that russia had its eyes on, started attacking georgian troops at the SAME time. what a coincidence.

peacekeeping mission somehow involves bombing civilian buildings in tblisi, georgian capital. totally irrelevant to anything going on.

behold the reality of modern russia - ruled by a mafia, ruled like a mob rules its neighborhood, and attacking other neighborhoods when it has the chance. expect more of this to come, if the u.s. and west keeps licking the mob's boots.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139586

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139586 this is horror. cnn is not showing these.

(beating expert F-15 pilots 3 to 1 is no joke)

It's almost as if no real person is ENTIRELY good or bad. Could that be?

It's probably true, technically. Hitler built some good roads and Stalin's dash for industrialization allowed the Russians to fight off the Germans and conquer half of Europe. On the other hand, him and Stalin killed and enslaved millions and if they had succeeded, the world would have ended up entirely dominated by large tyrannical empires, 1984 style which makes them quite literally enemies of civilisation. So in practice the approximation that Hitler and Stalin are bad is extraordinarily close to the truth.

Anyway, Stalin alone was not responsible for destroying the Bolsheviks.

Umm, yes he was. Wikipedia doesn't have a kill rate for Stalin and Old Bolsheviks, but he was remarkably successful.

Incidentally, there was a chilling story about the NKVD and the Gestapo in the time between the Nazi Soviet Pact and the German invasion of Russia. Even though they were technically still enemies, the Gestapo would tell the NKVD when Communists were being exiled. Apparantly, the NKVD regarded people that had been abroad with suspicion and they were invariably arrested and sent to labour camps, so they asked the Gestapo to tip them off. Similarly, the NKVD handed back German and Austrian communists to the Gestapo as "unwanted aliens".

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.ph p?t=36517

Pretty early on they found it hard to cope with actually running a country and started squabbling amongst themselves.

I think the squabbling was symptomatic of an interregnum after Lenin became unable to rule. Once another Czar appeared it would have ended, whether that Czar was Trotsky or Stalin. And either way it would have ended badly for the people doing the squabbling.

...that someday we'd need to buy Robot Insurance.

Wow, I didn't expect a hard-core gun discussion on Slashdot : ) my two cents:

The British Army is looking at replacing their L85A2s with G36s

No they're not. They were thinking of it when they upgraded their old weapons for reliability, but now there are no plans to switch, AFAIK. Lots of people on the internet want them to switch, but no official source has said they're even looking at other designs. There are no trials for new weapons at present in the UK, like the US XM8 or SCAR trials.

they've already replaced their bullpupped SAW, the LSW, with the FN Minimi

Because the LSW was magazine-fed, while the Minimi is belt-fed. Most armies that can afford better are ditching magazine-fed SAWs. The German army is replacing their G36 SAW with a belt-fed weapon from HK similar to the Minimi, for example.

the Bundeswehr replaced their early-adoption G11s with G36s;

Because it was just too expensive, especially coming at the end of the cold war. They could not justify the expense to the public, esp. since the rifle was rather experimental and would have nessecitated a new, non-Nato standard ammo. When it came time to replace their aging G3s, they chose the safe, conservative not to mention cheaper G36. The fact that G11 was bullpup was the least of its problems.

the Brits have already moved their Paras and SAS to the M4

Source? I just looked on the mod.uk website, and there are no listings of the M-16/M-4 as part of their kit. I looked on the images database, and I can only find pics of paras with L85s, in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some of them have AKs while they train locals, but no M-4s, M-16s, or C7s.

the Foreign Legion has moved to the M4; the Australian SAS has abandoned the (bullpupped) Steyr AUG for the M4;

Okay, Australian SASR seems to have gone M-4, but looking around on the web I can find no confirmation of the others. This gallery shows French SF in Congo with both FAMAS and M-4, while this shows French FL with FAMAS and no M-4s in Ivory Coast, this gallery shows Indonesian special police with a mix of AKs, FNCs, AUGs, and Uzis.

I think a lot of the above are just examples of how special forces people get more choice in arms, and some carry different arms because of personal taste or tactical circumstance. Many SF soldiers will carry AKs, MP5s or M-14s, that does not mean they are superior weapons to equip a whole army with.

Wow, I didn't expect a hard-core gun discussion on Slashdot : ) my two cents:

The British Army is looking at replacing their L85A2s with G36s

No they're not. They were thinking of it when they upgraded their old weapons for reliability, but now there are no plans to switch, AFAIK. Lots of people on the internet want them to switch, but no official source has said they're even looking at other designs. There are no trials for new weapons at present in the UK, like the US XM8 or SCAR trials.

they've already replaced their bullpupped SAW, the LSW, with the FN Minimi

Because the LSW was magazine-fed, while the Minimi is belt-fed. Most armies that can afford better are ditching magazine-fed SAWs. The German army is replacing their G36 SAW with a belt-fed weapon from HK similar to the Minimi, for example.

the Bundeswehr replaced their early-adoption G11s with G36s;

Because it was just too expensive, especially coming at the end of the cold war. They could not justify the expense to the public, esp. since the rifle was rather experimental and would have nessecitated a new, non-Nato standard ammo. When it came time to replace their aging G3s, they chose the safe, conservative not to mention cheaper G36. The fact that G11 was bullpup was the least of its problems.

the Brits have already moved their Paras and SAS to the M4

Source? I just looked on the mod.uk website, and there are no listings of the M-16/M-4 as part of their kit. I looked on the images database, and I can only find pics of paras with L85s, in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some of them have AKs while they train locals, but no M-4s, M-16s, or C7s.

the Foreign Legion has moved to the M4; the Australian SAS has abandoned the (bullpupped) Steyr AUG for the M4;

Okay, Australian SASR seems to have gone M-4, but looking around on the web I can find no confirmation of the others. This gallery shows French SF in Congo with both FAMAS and M-4, while this shows French FL with FAMAS and no M-4s in Ivory Coast, this gallery shows Indonesian special police with a mix of AKs, FNCs, AUGs, and Uzis.

I think a lot of the above are just examples of how special forces people get more choice in arms, and some carry different arms because of personal taste or tactical circumstance. Many SF soldiers will carry AKs, MP5s or M-14s, that does not mean they are superior weapons to equip a whole army with.

Wow, I didn't expect a hard-core gun discussion on Slashdot : ) my two cents:

The British Army is looking at replacing their L85A2s with G36s

No they're not. They were thinking of it when they upgraded their old weapons for reliability, but now there are no plans to switch, AFAIK. Lots of people on the internet want them to switch, but no official source has said they're even looking at other designs. There are no trials for new weapons at present in the UK, like the US XM8 or SCAR trials.

they've already replaced their bullpupped SAW, the LSW, with the FN Minimi

Because the LSW was magazine-fed, while the Minimi is belt-fed. Most armies that can afford better are ditching magazine-fed SAWs. The German army is replacing their G36 SAW with a belt-fed weapon from HK similar to the Minimi, for example.

the Bundeswehr replaced their early-adoption G11s with G36s;

Because it was just too expensive, especially coming at the end of the cold war. They could not justify the expense to the public, esp. since the rifle was rather experimental and would have nessecitated a new, non-Nato standard ammo. When it came time to replace their aging G3s, they chose the safe, conservative not to mention cheaper G36. The fact that G11 was bullpup was the least of its problems.

the Brits have already moved their Paras and SAS to the M4

Source? I just looked on the mod.uk website, and there are no listings of the M-16/M-4 as part of their kit. I looked on the images database, and I can only find pics of paras with L85s, in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some of them have AKs while they train locals, but no M-4s, M-16s, or C7s.

the Foreign Legion has moved to the M4; the Australian SAS has abandoned the (bullpupped) Steyr AUG for the M4;

Okay, Australian SASR seems to have gone M-4, but looking around on the web I can find no confirmation of the others. This gallery shows French SF in Congo with both FAMAS and M-4, while this shows French FL with FAMAS and no M-4s in Ivory Coast, this gallery shows Indonesian special police with a mix of AKs, FNCs, AUGs, and Uzis.

I think a lot of the above are just examples of how special forces people get more choice in arms, and some carry different arms because of personal taste or tactical circumstance. Many SF soldiers will carry AKs, MP5s or M-14s, that does not mean they are superior weapons to equip a whole army with.

Heh, these benevolent left wingers bug me. Listen to yourself man. Body armor? Why? I can defeat you with your own argument. Body armor is useless when you're dealing with roadside bombs and high power armor piercing bullets.

Your moral absolutism is worse than any American religion's. All over the bible you find cases of the good guy killing the bad guy in the name of God, for the good of the people. You also find stories where Jesus advocated a peaceful solution. The point is there is no one solution. When there is a fire raging in another country, you're concerned that our government isn't subsidizing the latest wireless technology, or that the rich are becoming too rich, or that corporations get too many benefits, but you can't complain that we aren't able to destroy a rogue nations nuclear enrichment reactor at the click of a button because we can already do that. But no, you wouldn't complain about that because you think Iran will fix itself. In an ideal world, we would not need an army, but this is not a perfect world.

In the same post, you denigrate any funding of "the killing machine", but then you advocate spending $85 on covert operations to hunt and kill terrorists in another country, who we are allied with, without any authorization from them.

The $100B we spent on star wars was what put the USSR in the crapper. Look what they tried to beat us with!

There are always people waiting around telling you you're going to fail. I argued with one last week. I told him someday I will be a millionaire, and he told me I was going to fail (mainly because of George Bush). Now he can sit around and wait for me to fail, and if I do, he can rub it in my face and feel all good about himself. Those same scientists told us we couldn't land on the moon, and that we were wasting there money, and they sat by and waited for the space program to fail. They crossed their fingers and wrote their novels about how they knew all along that we would fail, and when we succeeded, they went back into their caves and sat waiting for the next optimist to come along. Not only did the space program *not* fail, but when the Apollo 13 crew and support staff looked failure in the face, they rose to the challenge and overcame it. That's the definition of a hero. We're counting on the hero's to come through, the determined engineers, the optimists. Now sit there and tell me we're gonna fail, and that we're less safe, and call it "science".

So, create an account and let it rip. Me and my buddies will shoot you down.

Are you a liberal?

Are you a LIBERAL TROLL?

If you are, please tear this site a new one.

It's full of militant conservatives ogling over guns and trying to justify the war in Iraq (check out the thread about WMDs in General section). The young retards over there really piss me off.