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Yes, there is only one tiny problem with your reasoning, this gatway host was envisioned to be application level-ish! It could receive your x400 mail and send out an SMTP mail that had the same contents to you buddies on the internet. It didn`t try to take the x25/ipx/whatever packet and f$%# with its headers until it would fit in an ip pipe. There was no "lets wait till version 2.0 with fu#$ ing with the tiny bit of content in the packets needed to keep the application on the other end from having its brains fried by the confusion of getting a x400 mail inside ip packets" idea.

This would in todays nat terms translate to applications needing straightjackets after getting an rfc1918 packet with plain internet headers. This is the part of the standards the NAT does not just ignore but also doesn`t "solve" in a remotly standardised way. The internet standards are incredibly minimalist, routers only have do do a tiny part of them and with NAT they mess it all up by doing way to much and doing it wrong. The reason? People were to lazy get expand DHCP to hand out subnets? Providers who think IP`s are to magical to handle for us common folk?

Even for todays purposes of having gateway hosts, security and oppressing users in the name thereof, gateway hosts that know a thing or two about the application they are "securing" makes sense. In fact it makes much more sense than having a "firewall". "Firewalls" only get sold becouse we call them a "firewall" rather than "packet filter" and becouse we say it stops "hackers" rather than packets. That is ofcourse until hackers get of their ass and start implementing the "evil" bit. Ofcourse they are to busy playing around with their fancy ipv6 networks... lousy lazy "hackers".

Ofcourse we are slowly getting there with e-mail servers that scan attachments and proxy servers that block banners. Between them and:

• jabber servers as gateway to the rest of the world (physicly and protocol wise)
• p2p clients with remote control interface (put fileserver on your gateway and let it run through the night),
• running your own game server on a gateway

try mlDonkey, it does a number of networks including BitTorrent and I've never had any problems with it. Also since it handles your torrents and donkey files together you have central queue and priority system for both networks.

Try www.mldonkey.org - there is information on updated win32 binaries too.

It's my favorite and that what I run on my home linux server"
Ohh and you run that dialer thru wine too? Or is there a native version?

Informative my ass. Hey Einstein, what you want is this.

Slash pimps with mod points, should follow the F-word links!

Actually, I like Xine better than any windows media player. Set it up right and you'll never need to download a codec again.

And you forgot to mention P2P (especially for youths). I think MLDonkey and Sancho do the job.

Check out MLDonkey http://mldonkey.org:

From their site:
MLdonkey is a powerful peer 2 peer (p2p) application for accessing the Edonkey2000 network as well as a few others like FastTrack, Bittorrent and Gnutella2.

The opensource MLdonkey p2p client is mainly being developed for Linux/Unix, but is also compiled and running on Windows and even MacOS X.

you mean this?

Try Mldonkey it searches and downloads from 10+ P2P networks.

This is has honestly been the only reason that I still boot up in Windows.

Linux has several alternatives for the same functionality.

mldonkey has it all - and more ...

Why should anybody? (Beyond the "because I can"-nature of geeks)
There are far superior p2p-clients for Linux available: mldonkey for example supports donkey, overnet, fasttrack, gnutella, directconnect, soulseek, opennap, bittorrent, http, ftp and ssh file transfers. And it has a webinterface and multiple GUI-clients (Linux and Windows) available ...
They might get some ideas by looking at the Shareaza sourcecode for improvements though.

Given that mldonkey is here, open-source and implements most of the P2P protocols, this release will not make a big difference.

By the way, mldonkey is really a great project! Its client-server approach is very handy to download in the background and control downloads remotely.

Assuming you would pay the subscription, if you can download them on the net?

So, basically, Morpheus has a re-implementation of FastTrack from scratch.

Seeing how morpheus is basicly gnucleus (a GPL gnutella client) with spyware, I would not be surprised if there was code in the from the mldonkey of gift team who do fasttrack in GPL code for their project.

Ofcourse they could licence the protocol from sharman (or the orginal authors who are making peercache). I wouldn`t put it past them to get information from the orginal russian coders who were hired to make the first kazaa. I really don`t think these people would do their own reverse engineering.

Why would anybody ever download something bundled with the crap referred to here, much less install it? Such "third-party applications" make the main product worse than useless.

I'm surprised there isn't a completely pen-source, distributed P2P filesharing application widely available to people.

Don't forget MLdonkey, a single client which supports eDonkey, OverNet, OpenFT, SoulSeek, BitTorrent, and a couple of others I can't remember.

mlDonkey, handles all the major P2P networks under one neat GUI.

My favorite is mldonkey, which hits a whole bunch of different networks, including FastTrack (which Kazaa uses). The gui is separate from the p2p application, so you can turn off your workstation but leave your downloads running on your server in the basement.

I'm utterly impressed with it. Very easy to use, and I really like being able to hit all the differnt networks at once. It's also pretty cool having native guis available for linux AND windows.

It is a cross p2p network client, capable of connecting to eDonkey/Overnet, Gnutella, Fasttrak, Shareaza, and a whole host of others. It's also a fairly decent BitTorrent client.

It has a very nice html interface, and that is a major bonus, since you can also then set it up so that you can start new files downloading at home, while you're at work (but be careful folks, make sure you've got your setup pretty tight, or I'm sure you'll have script kiddies downloading hardcore pRon for you all night long)