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Re:No Entourage? No thanks.
Is there a conduit to sync with a Palm device, tho?
Indubitably.
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird /extensions/palmsync/palmsync.xpi -
Re:No Entourage? No thanks.
I was strongly considering upgrading from Panther to Tiger just for the spotlight feature - finding things is always a chore (although still not as bad as the Windows "Find file " feature which i can start a search, go to lunch, come back, and it is still not finished). But, with 1000s of emails (many containing vital information) in Entourage, and that program not currently supported by the new search feature, there is nothing for me to do but wait.
You're still using that greasy Microsoft Entourage stuff? That's so 2003. You need to use Thunderbird!
http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
You can export all your existing email from Entourage to Thunderbird by dragging your inbox folder to your desktop, thusly creating an .mbox file from it, and moving the .mbox file into ~/Library/Thunderbird/Profiles/default.vfn/Mail/Lo cal Folders
Thunderbird with the Calendar extension (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/download .html)
does pretty much anything Entourage does, and it doesn't suffer from that uber irritating problem of shitting it's pants when sending an email to multiple addresses and one of them happens to be invalid.
It's just better, and it doesn't look gay like Apple's Mail.app -
Re:No Entourage? No thanks.
I was strongly considering upgrading from Panther to Tiger just for the spotlight feature - finding things is always a chore (although still not as bad as the Windows "Find file " feature which i can start a search, go to lunch, come back, and it is still not finished). But, with 1000s of emails (many containing vital information) in Entourage, and that program not currently supported by the new search feature, there is nothing for me to do but wait.
You're still using that greasy Microsoft Entourage stuff? That's so 2003. You need to use Thunderbird!
http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
You can export all your existing email from Entourage to Thunderbird by dragging your inbox folder to your desktop, thusly creating an .mbox file from it, and moving the .mbox file into ~/Library/Thunderbird/Profiles/default.vfn/Mail/Lo cal Folders
Thunderbird with the Calendar extension (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/download .html)
does pretty much anything Entourage does, and it doesn't suffer from that uber irritating problem of shitting it's pants when sending an email to multiple addresses and one of them happens to be invalid.
It's just better, and it doesn't look gay like Apple's Mail.app -
Re:Firefox Results
Information on Acid2 progress in Gecko:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28948 0
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Re:HmmmNow, I admit that this is purely hypothetical, but surely a better guide to browser usability is how well it renders the morass of dodgy XML/HTML that gets sent to it every single day.
There is where the "quirks mode" comes in. The browser should (and is) able to detect whenever something is written after the standard, or not. If it is written in a standard compliant manner, it should be rendered the same everywhere. If it is in quirks mode, it should be rendered different, and the page will behave different.
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Re:View SVG using what?
Firefox 1.1 will have native SVG support (disabled by default).
But will Firefox 2.0 have SVG enabled by default (so that people who are afraid of Regedit don't have to hack their about:config), and will Firefox 2.0 come out before IE 7 with its integrated Metro viewer arrives?
And there are always plugins available
Not if you don't have permission to install plug-ins. And doesn't Adobe's SVG plug-in break Mozilla Suite and Firefox?
And from a web developer's perspective, is an <embed> element or an <object> element preferred? This document seems to contradict this one.
no major browser comes with a Flash viewer, but that hasn't been a problem for Flash.
Wasn't the Flash Player bundled with Windows (and therefore IE) for a while?
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Re:View SVG using what?
Firefox 1.1 will have native SVG support (disabled by default).
But will Firefox 2.0 have SVG enabled by default (so that people who are afraid of Regedit don't have to hack their about:config), and will Firefox 2.0 come out before IE 7 with its integrated Metro viewer arrives?
And there are always plugins available
Not if you don't have permission to install plug-ins. And doesn't Adobe's SVG plug-in break Mozilla Suite and Firefox?
And from a web developer's perspective, is an <embed> element or an <object> element preferred? This document seems to contradict this one.
no major browser comes with a Flash viewer, but that hasn't been a problem for Flash.
Wasn't the Flash Player bundled with Windows (and therefore IE) for a while?
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I tell them ...When I hear people whining, hopelessly, about how MS is abusing them, I tell them that I never have that sort of problem. If they want to know why, I tell them. I don't know if it's schadenfreude or an honest desire to be helpful. Maybe the former, since experience tells me that however badly MS's products may serve them, most people would rather curse the darkness than light a candle.
I'm not sure if I'm annoying my cow orkers, but if so, the pumpkin pie I brought in today went a long way to make up for it. Several have adopted Firefox or Mozilla at home and at work, so maybe I've done a little bit of good.
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Re:PDF is A-OK
Calm down and run the Target Alert Firefox extension. It'll be ok dude.
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Re:that's not "open"
Yeah, I think it would be cool if someone made an XML based display format.
Even cooler, it should be design for use on the internet with features like hyperlinks and embedded objects. That would be cool! And we wouldn't have to worry about different implementations rendering things differently, since it would be an open standard that anyone could implement! We could even use those XML documents to help us mini-applications or even entire UI structures. That would be boss!
Someone should really make some XML standards like that. -
Re:Like this?
I was merely pointing out example. If you go to http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/ and grab the latest-release, it's not counted. You can't get the file off the www.mozilla.org http, either. Looks like I'll have to go further into this.
When you click the "Download Firefox" link, you are sent here:
http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.0 .3 &os=win&lang=en-US
Please note download (not www) is taking this, and a script is activated to pick a mirror. This script, Bouncer, picks a server and sends you there, and counts a download. That's how (i believe) it is counted. I have word from Asa that downloads from the FTP (and ftp over http) which weren't initiated through the webpage/link, are not counted. However you don't have to believe me on that, as the original question I asked was in regards to nightlies, so it's still possible I'm wrong.
If you go to download.mozilla.org and notice it redirects to www.mozilla.org, and feel like you should point that out to pretend you have found the secret (that download. is merely an alias for www.), I have something for you, too.
http://www.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.0.3&os =w in&lang=en-US fails. It does not download the product. If download. were an alias for www., shouldn't it work?
Conclusion: The grand-something-parent's script would not work as written, or nearly as written. :) -
Alternative to DoorManBotI've recently heard of another protocol for sending messages to people who are offline. It seems well tested, and at the moment there are many people using it. There are even web-based interfaces for it.
There are several clients available, here, here, and here, and there are many others. Hope that helps.
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Only to save people from clicking senselessly
1. Have Firefox
2. Install FastDic (see link below)
3. Set up your favourite online dictionaries
4. Now you can Ctrl-click, Alt-click or even Shift-click on the word in question and query different dictionaries which open in a different tab.
5. Glee!!!
Link to FastDic: https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/morei nfo.php?id=278 -
Re:Not soldering-related but...
*click* -- that allows you to highlight a word and right-click it to find the meaning. i don't know if it works in textareas
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Re:Yeah
We should all use free (though poorly functional) things, rather than things that work.
Were you implying that free software is poorly functional? Geez, every day I use free software that feel is very functional, don't you think?
I'm also a bit confused as how 'free software' = 'freedom'. So... you lose your individual freedom if you buy software?
Free Software means that the users are free to share, study, and improve the software with very little restrictions. You might want to read this; it's best to get it straight from the horse's mouth.
And, people buy Free Software all the time. Why is Red Hat still in business? Free Software has nothing to do with costs; if it costs just as much as proprietary software, I'd still buy the Free Software package if it were superior.
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Re:Ads? What Ads?
Use Firefox to block pop-ups and install the Adblock extension with the latest filter list to block ads. Haven't seen very many in a long time now -- 1995 style with 2005 content.
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Re:Ads? What Ads?
Use Firefox to block pop-ups and install the Adblock extension with the latest filter list to block ads. Haven't seen very many in a long time now -- 1995 style with 2005 content.
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Re:Acid2
None of the browser completely pass it, but Safari and Firefox are making progress. Right now, Safari's support is best, with firefox in 2nd place and Opera a bit further back in 3rd; Internet Explorer is so broken you can't even recognize the smiley face. There's a post on Dean Edward's blog that has been tracking progress.
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Re:Worst. Submission. Ever.But interestingly especially with IMAP storing your e-mails in folders and subfolders can be a pain. Atleast on the win32 platform, very few clients render IMAP folder trees correctly.
My IMAP server structure has folders somewhat like this (folder.subfolder)
INBOX (effectively root and no mail can be stored here to my knowledge)
INBOX.Inbox
INBOX.Sent Items
INBOX.Archive (where I store old mail in subfolders)
INBOX.Archive.Webcomics
Now take Opera 8 (released just the other day). It renders this structure totally incorrectly. The folder 'tree' shows this all in the same level:
INBOX
Inbox
Archive
Archive.Webcomics
Becky also suffers from this inability. Thunderbird my memory is a little fuzzy on (I don't like it) but last time I used it I don't think it displayed these folders correctly either.
Magogany is the client I use currently and it renders the folder tree perfectly.
Maybe I'm off base and we are supposed to be discussing POP3 only here but asking the every day joe to use a client to organize their mail when clients doesn't even show IMAP folders correctly is a joke. It's just frustrating. -
Re:Open source software is splitering/fragmenting
Oh I don't know... I run it on my desktop... oh... and I run it on my users desktops at work too... Openoffice and Koffice are quite sufficient for MS Office replacements. Firefox makes a fantastic replacement for IE and Thunderbird for Outlook. I could easily go on. The issues you have mentioned... some of them worthwhile, are still somewhat minimal. Build a good image, specify / build all the boxes the same... it's cake after that...
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Re:Perhaps...
What you want is firefox plus the StumbleUpon extension.
https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/morei nfo.php?id=138&application=firefox
This is semi-random browsing at its finest. -
Re:Why mark more?
ALL software you use is GPL? What browser?
Mozilla/Firefox are MPL. http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/licensing.html
So if you use them, not all is GPL.
Likewise, many other "free/open" softwares are not under the GPL. I do not think you are trying to be RMS and promote the GPL'ed projects exclusively, but you do need to recognize the variety of licenses (that I would consider most of acceptable) that apply to the software on practically any (GNU/)Linux system. -
Re:Browser Comparison
You just described the Mozilla Suite.
If you're looking for a fully integrated browser then you're looking for the suite. Firefox doesn't include those features because that's the reason it exists in the first place: to provide a stand-alone browser without the fluff with a standard, simple interface. -
Re:Not being trollish, but...
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Re:Not being trollish, but...
Agreed...I've heard lots of hype about Opera, so I went and downloaded it, only to be assaulted by the banners and registration nags. Too bad no one has coded an AdBlock plugin for it yet
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Re:Excellent commentary...
XSLT is a W3C standard
Which comes with every mozilla browser via the TransforMiiX module.
Javascript is an ECMA standard
Which is what Mozilla's javascript implementation is based on. To quote the home page, "Netscape's JavaScript is a superset of the ECMA-262 Edition 3".
standardized by W3C as DOM-1 (and DOM-2 soon)
Which the Gecko DOM resembles.
That's my point. What's yours again? -
Re:Excellent commentary...
XSLT is a W3C standard
Which comes with every mozilla browser via the TransforMiiX module.
Javascript is an ECMA standard
Which is what Mozilla's javascript implementation is based on. To quote the home page, "Netscape's JavaScript is a superset of the ECMA-262 Edition 3".
standardized by W3C as DOM-1 (and DOM-2 soon)
Which the Gecko DOM resembles.
That's my point. What's yours again? -
Re:Excellent commentary...
XSLT is a W3C standard
Which comes with every mozilla browser via the TransforMiiX module.
Javascript is an ECMA standard
Which is what Mozilla's javascript implementation is based on. To quote the home page, "Netscape's JavaScript is a superset of the ECMA-262 Edition 3".
standardized by W3C as DOM-1 (and DOM-2 soon)
Which the Gecko DOM resembles.
That's my point. What's yours again? -
Re:Excellent commentary...
What does ActiveX do that XPCOM and Java are incapable of performing?
I think the correct answer is marketing. The gecko browsers are packed full of some really cool toys for developers. But it's very very hard to sort through it all. Every so often I start playing with various features common to Mozillaish browsers like XPI, XSLT, and Javascript. It always strikes me how much potential there is to make some very cool applications using these. One pet project of mine is to see if I could create a set of XSLT documents that would transform glade projects into XUL applications, which could be themed via css.
It's coming along pretty well, but I find it very difficult to wade through the developer documentation. XULplanet is a great resource, and there's a few others like the DOM ref on moz.org, but it seems pretty scattered, and sometimes out dated, and sometimes it just completely disappears like DevEdge (which there was some talk about being resurrected). In some cases, the only reliable documentation is the moz source itself, which is very hard to navigate without a fair bit of research.
I've never done anything with ActiveX at all, or dealt with Microsoft API's very often at all, but I've seen their documentation, and it seems like its quite a bit more focused, and easy to find things.
Having had to go looking for documentation myself, I think I can see why companies would be reluctant to use Mozilla technologies in house. Is there anybody at the Mozilla foundation that deals strictly with promoting moz as a developer platform, rather than focusing on the browser itself? -
Re:Excellent commentary...
What does ActiveX do that XPCOM and Java are incapable of performing?
I think the correct answer is marketing. The gecko browsers are packed full of some really cool toys for developers. But it's very very hard to sort through it all. Every so often I start playing with various features common to Mozillaish browsers like XPI, XSLT, and Javascript. It always strikes me how much potential there is to make some very cool applications using these. One pet project of mine is to see if I could create a set of XSLT documents that would transform glade projects into XUL applications, which could be themed via css.
It's coming along pretty well, but I find it very difficult to wade through the developer documentation. XULplanet is a great resource, and there's a few others like the DOM ref on moz.org, but it seems pretty scattered, and sometimes out dated, and sometimes it just completely disappears like DevEdge (which there was some talk about being resurrected). In some cases, the only reliable documentation is the moz source itself, which is very hard to navigate without a fair bit of research.
I've never done anything with ActiveX at all, or dealt with Microsoft API's very often at all, but I've seen their documentation, and it seems like its quite a bit more focused, and easy to find things.
Having had to go looking for documentation myself, I think I can see why companies would be reluctant to use Mozilla technologies in house. Is there anybody at the Mozilla foundation that deals strictly with promoting moz as a developer platform, rather than focusing on the browser itself? -
Re:I want
Parent: Look at Firefox Extensions >> Bookmarks, maybe try eg Bookmarks Synchronizer 1.0.1, etc.
Article: Wish list item. Over the years I've accumulated bookmark files from Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, Safari, Konqueror, and Lynx. I would like something that would reconcile these various files and formats into a single file, ask/delete duplicates, etc. These duplicates would include "Hey dummy, you have the same url in 3 different folders. Do you want to delete
..". Mentioned elsewhere, also some easy way to scan, verify, find, and ask/delete dead links. -
Re:I want
Parent: Look at Firefox Extensions >> Bookmarks, maybe try eg Bookmarks Synchronizer 1.0.1, etc.
Article: Wish list item. Over the years I've accumulated bookmark files from Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, Safari, Konqueror, and Lynx. I would like something that would reconcile these various files and formats into a single file, ask/delete duplicates, etc. These duplicates would include "Hey dummy, you have the same url in 3 different folders. Do you want to delete
..". Mentioned elsewhere, also some easy way to scan, verify, find, and ask/delete dead links. -
Use AdBlock plugin instead
I had this problem also, but with Excite. But I don't have the problem any more. I use the AdBlock plugin instead of the built in ad blocking. The plug-in allows blocking by URL instead of just by server. Much better.
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Re:Is Firefox the utopia of browsers?
BTW. I use Firefox almost exclusively, and have watched as websites have slowly gotten around the pop-up blocker
Those websites haven't "gotten around the pop-up blocker", they just use Macromedia Flash to pop up windows. That's not even Firefox's fault, since they are using a third-party plugin to trigger the popups. So until Macromedia joins the real world and includes a popup blocker in their browser plugin prefs, just go get the Flashblock extension.
Filthy Macromedia ... we HATES them! -
Re:The biggest downside to Firefox
Would you prefer a 50Mb download, with 45Mb of stuff you don't ever need or use, or a 4Mb download where you can optionally add bits you want
Mozilla Firefox requires 52MB of hard-disk space on Windows.
Mozilla Suite requires 52MB of hard-disk space on Windows.
Both require have the same amount of required hard-disk space. One has an email client, HTML editor, and ChatZilla built in (Suite). The other doesn't (Firefox).
You get more product for your space with the Mozilla Suite, my friend, and you don't need three different programs (client, editor, IRC program) running simultaneously. -
Re:The biggest downside to Firefox
Would you prefer a 50Mb download, with 45Mb of stuff you don't ever need or use, or a 4Mb download where you can optionally add bits you want
Mozilla Firefox requires 52MB of hard-disk space on Windows.
Mozilla Suite requires 52MB of hard-disk space on Windows.
Both require have the same amount of required hard-disk space. One has an email client, HTML editor, and ChatZilla built in (Suite). The other doesn't (Firefox).
You get more product for your space with the Mozilla Suite, my friend, and you don't need three different programs (client, editor, IRC program) running simultaneously. -
Re:If only it was as good as Mozilla.
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Re:If only it was as good as Mozilla.
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In other news...Firefox 1.0.3 released
Its a little odd that this article would be posted without a note that Firefox 1.0.3 has just been released: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/
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Have a look at userinterface-description languagesA state-of-the-art solution would be using a UIML-renderer, which should be available for any platform and programming language one day.
UIML is a subset of the XML-language for implementing platform- and programming-language-independent user-interfaces.
Maybe you should have a look around, whether there is a good UIML-renderer for Java.
If your research is into this topic, you may even want to develop a UIML-renderer for Java yourself! I'm sure many people would be interested in an open-source project with this aim.
I am using Qt (with C++) and qt-designer myself, which is using a proprietary XML-format for rendering user-interfaces (ui-files).
References:
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How long before 1.04?
Check out this release Link to ftp.mozilla.org
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Re:For Version 1.0.4 PLEASE
It is a bug. (see also here and here)
It looks like it's been fixed and rebroken several times. -
Re:For Version 1.0.4 PLEASE
It is a bug. (see also here and here)
It looks like it's been fixed and rebroken several times. -
Re:For Version 1.0.4 PLEASE
It is a bug. (see also here and here)
It looks like it's been fixed and rebroken several times. -
Re:At least 1 fix
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Re:My only request
I agree. I've been using nightly builds for a while now (for the XForms support) and I've noticed the same memory downward spiral that the point releases have. Open up ~25 tabs, close 20 of them, and see how much memory 'firefox.exe' is using.
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Re:Damn shameBut the one that did it? Refresh on view source!
I develop web apps,
Sounds to me like you want the Web Developer Toolbar Does everything you need and then some
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Re:My only request
Untill this gets fixed, use SessionSaver . Restart firefox, and your tabs opened are still there ! With low mem usage again !
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Re:FF for OS X
Well, I'm going to pretend you weren't rude and give you a legitimate answers. Take a look at this page. You see that wheel looking thing between the left and right mouse button? That's called a scroll wheel. I, and my others, have found that with FF 1.0, and it's subsequent releases, that that wheel does not work for the OS X version of said software. Now, if we look in Bugzilla for this bug we find it's there! I'm not pulling things out of my ass! Here, and here.
Lesson of the day Mr. Coward: Next time before you're rude because you think someone doesn't know what they're talking about, why don't you ask them to clarify themselves first?
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Re:FF for OS X
Well, I'm going to pretend you weren't rude and give you a legitimate answers. Take a look at this page. You see that wheel looking thing between the left and right mouse button? That's called a scroll wheel. I, and my others, have found that with FF 1.0, and it's subsequent releases, that that wheel does not work for the OS X version of said software. Now, if we look in Bugzilla for this bug we find it's there! I'm not pulling things out of my ass! Here, and here.
Lesson of the day Mr. Coward: Next time before you're rude because you think someone doesn't know what they're talking about, why don't you ask them to clarify themselves first?