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Mozilla is not under the GPL. It's under the MPL. A BSDish licence, AFAIK.

as you can see heise.de which is very reliable posted this story yesterday.

Nokia wants to use Minimo in their smartphones.

Also on many other news sources.

There is also more info about the nice little Minimo project (to produce a Gecko-based browser with a tiny footprint).

Also on many other news sources.

There is also more info about the nice little Minimo project (to produce a Gecko-based browser with a tiny footprint).

Umm.. this chart is in bytes, right? Right?!

The current Mozilla suite probably contains little to none of the original Netscape Communicator 5.0 source code which Netscape released.

AFAIK JavaScript engine SpiderMonkey was not rewritten, because it has perfect concept already in Netscape days.

1. The GMail team says that the Full GMail (whenever that comes) will not be Opera compatible, but
2. GMail Beta has limited functionality in Opera
3. Firefox is better than Opera (I actually upgraded after getting my GMail invite... it's everything Opera is, with lower RAM hogging and smarter tabs. The different search extensions kick Opera's hinder. Thunderbird (seperate but integrated mail client) is nicer than M2 (not that I use my other email accounts any more)

For those interested in tracking this bug, it is Bug 217527 in Bugzilla (copy link and paste into another window ^_^).

The Bugzilla administrators seem to have removed the HTTP referer check, so now you can link to Bugzilla bugs from Slashdot again.

How about a link?
Mozilla Sunbird

I found that 0.7 is much more buggy than 0.5 ... at least on win32, the new mail notification in the taskbar is broken (no icon), enigmail does not work anymore, cross imap server moving of email did stop working ...

At least for me a huge step backwards from 0.5 :(

You need to do a completely fresh install of 0.7. Lots of stuff changed. The entire extension system is different, so you need to install the updated enigmail. Cross-IMAP server moves work fine (just did one). And the tray icon for mail notificatiions is sitting in my systray right now.

The installation instructions should really be followed for the latest version!

On OSX, I use iCal. Don't think anything else comes close. With the built-in WebDav functionality, it can be combined with .Mac, or OSS PHPiCalendar which makes a great to-do/calendar package for those who like to access their information from elsewhere. Works with Mozilla Calendar and KOrganizer too.

On Windows, there is a shareware app called Biromsoft To-Do List. Pretty simple and straightforward.
I recommend it for those who are looking for a listmaker without all the bells and whistles that might otherwise come with aformentioned calendar apps.

Snowcat,

I kind you not...

The stand-along callendar: Sunbird

Just to point out for people needing a calendar, there is the Sunbird project which aims to build a standalone PIM application. While it is fairly good at the moment, it still needs a lot of work. Plus it needs a few more developers. If you have the time go help out. If they ever get round to integrating Thunderbird and Sunbird, we'll have one kickass Outlook killing application!! (don't mention Evolution - it really isn't cross-platform as such).

Find out how to work around that here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/linuxu rls.html

This is a pretty major UI bug in T-bird, IMO.

I actually took a look at this after seeing your post, since that glitch pisses me off too. It looks like it's not as simple as it seems to fix...I found the proper place in the code to change, but it had dire warnings that the search should be case-sensitive due to http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121478 . They acknowledge that making the search case sensitive introduced this new bug we're seeing, but I guess the old one was deemed more important/annoying. There's probably a way for both fixes to co-exist, but nothing jumps out at me.

BTW, if you're curious, this is the function in question: http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/mailnews/add rbook/src/nsAbAddressCollecter.cpp#89

I'd also love to be able to block cookies from entire subnets (probably haven't read the appropriate part in the manual about how to set this) such as *.doubleclick.net, and *.hitbox.com


Just download Adblock from the Firefox update site

I'd also love to be able to block cookies from entire subnets (probably haven't read the appropriate part in the manual about how to set this) such as *.doubleclick.net, and *.hitbox.com


Just download Adblock from the Firefox update site

I am quite sure it supports all of those. Here is a page that talks about printing css2 and css1. Here is a fun little png demo.

I am quite sure it supports all of those. Here is a page that talks about printing css2 and css1. Here is a fun little png demo.

Show Old Extensions 0.1.3 makes old extensions visible and usable in Firefox 0.9. I've only tried two old extensions using this, but they've both worked.

I'll have to agree with you on that. I had been using the existing mozilla calendar, and when I just installed the moz 1.7 upgrade, the installer completely removed the calendaring app from my system, including all dates and entries I had put in. The warning that I got was about removal of third party software, which apparently is a category the calendar belongs to. Lost a lot of important information.

It appears that mozilla.org also supports opacity

For pre-.9 extensions try this one

File a bug report! The Mozilla devs will probably be happy to fix a bug that's easily reproducible.

Evolution is the only open-source e-mail client I've seen that can open and respond to Outlook invitations perfectly. It's been like that since version 1.0, which was bundled with Red Hat 7.3.

Mozilla plans to add Outlook invitation support as part of the integration step. I don't know if any of the Evolution invitation-accepting code can be converted over, or whether that constitutes a violation of all 48 licenses that Open Source considers valid, but it is possible to accept Outlook invites using open-source software.

What's the difference between Firefox and Mozilla?

Mozilla (Application Suite, also known as SeaMonkey) is a complete suite of web related applications, such as a browser, a mail/news client, a chat client and much more. Firefox is just a browser, which makes it a better choice if you already have a mail client for example. Also, since Firefox is smaller than the whole Mozilla suite, it's faster and easier to use. Note, though, that Firefox is not just the standalone Mozilla browser. The user interface in Firefox differs from Mozilla in many ways. For example, Firefox has customizable toolbars.

What's the difference between Firefox and Mozilla?

Mozilla (Application Suite, also known as SeaMonkey) is a complete suite of web related applications, such as a browser, a mail/news client, a chat client and much more. Firefox is just a browser, which makes it a better choice if you already have a mail client for example. Also, since Firefox is smaller than the whole Mozilla suite, it's faster and easier to use. Note, though, that Firefox is not just the standalone Mozilla browser. The user interface in Firefox differs from Mozilla in many ways. For example, Firefox has customizable toolbars.

Actually, if you want to make Firefox look prettier, try FirefoxModern, which makes Firefox look like Mozilla. Certainly prettier than the new default theme (although I'm partial to Qute).

I think a little pressure could only help. I mean, come on, it's been a listed bug since 2003-08-27!!!

I think a little pressure could only help. I mean, come on, it's been a listed bug since 2003-08-27!!!

I think a little pressure could only help. I mean, come on, it's been a listed bug since 2003-08-27!!!

I don't have any Slashdot Cool Points, so I'll take some of yours and try to help you out. ;-)

In a nutshell, Mozilla started off as the open-sourced version of Netscape 6, which turned into the Mozilla suite, and included the browser, and an e-mail client and some other things and even more things. Mozilla was big, slow, and clunky by many people's views, but it had a great rendering engine called "Gecko," and some other cool stuff. So some people decided to take the rendering engine and other cool stuff, and make a browser that was smaller, lighter, faster, and was really good at one task -- web browsing. They called it Pheonix, then Firebird, then Firefox (legal issues...). At the same time (well, a little later, after people saw how cool it was) some people decided to make an e-mail client on the same idea -- they called it Thunderbird (No legal issues).

So, Firefox and Thunderbird are very similar on the inside, but with obvious differences. Mozilla is pretty different, as it's a direct derivative (albeit with a full rewrite) of the Netscape application. The Mozilla suite is also significantly slower (but hopefully better with this release) than Firefox and Thunderbird, and has a bigger memory footprint.

Read this for a more thourough explanation of Firefox's goals, and also check out the Wikipedia article.

For those interested in tracking this bug, it is Bug 217527 in Bugzilla (copy link and paste into another window ^_^). I have seen this problem many times; usually one or two refreshes will fix the problem. Note that the status on the bug says "Fixed." However the fix was pulled back out due to a problem with the patch.

Actually, I thought that FF/TB development *was* picking up quite a bit recently... we've gone from 0.7 to 0.9 in less than a year, I mean, that's something isn't it?

Honestly though, some developers have different focuses. Some people will never stop working on the big Mozilla for various reasons, and because of the nature of open source it's really pretty hard to get an open source project to die as long as it has people that want to improve it. But I have read (in an interview somewhere) that the main focus of the mozilla organization is moving toward the smaller modular programs if that's what you're thinking.

Fairly neat: it seems that Mozilla has setup an official torrent tracker for this release.

That's one of the oldest bugs in the system. Bug 3157 is what you're looking for. If you go to Bugzilla and do a search, there's a script you can run that will do some pre-conversion on a Eudora mailbox.

The real problem is that Eudora strips out MIME information from its e-mails and replaces it with some different HTML or XML tags to indicate an HTML mail.

Eudora attachment imports are Bugs 205796 and 95613.

The real work is in Bug 242948.

all those wonderful programs like Outlook And then you get to round out the full Windows experience, with all those wonderful Outlook viruses!
I'm NEVER tempted to use Outlook. I always use internet mail or Thunderbird.

Hmm, although it does still say it's a tech preview on the firefox page, it's listed as a main item (above mozilla) on the mozilla.org front page... I guess they're trying to push it as their "main browser" now.

Hmm, although it does still say it's a tech preview on the firefox page, it's listed as a main item (above mozilla) on the mozilla.org front page... I guess they're trying to push it as their "main browser" now.

Wow, thanks, that's a good start. However, it still loses against real socket IO: HTTP requests add a lot of latency and waste a lot of bandwidth if all you want to do is send a small message. What I had in mind at the time I suggested the extension to JavaScript was writing an IRC client. Imagine adding half a KB of HTTP headers to every little message you send. :-(

Bitterness follows. I am really disappointed with the state of browsers. All they really do is parsing simple textual formats, and then rendering the specified widgets according to some hardcoded and some customizeable rules. Then, they can execute a scripting language that interacts with the parse tree. For this you need a 10 MB program? Hell, even a simple browser like lynx (which mostly just strips the markup and passes on the text to the display) is hundreds of kilobytes. Why? And then they still don't provide the simple feature of letting the scripts access the network functionality that the browser itself uses. One simple feature that would make them a fully workable platform. But no, they give you the kitchen sink instead.

I am going to write my own browser, see if I can keep it small and simple, then add in support for network access in some scripting language. Then maybe I'll have some respect for the major browsers.

Wouldn't that be:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/distros.html

I personally would LOVE to help. But what's the point ? There has been public rejection or ignoring of my attempts to get involved. I know I am not alone in this plight.

If you want to help, read the documentation on what needs to be done, start hacking and come hang out in #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org Since you don't go into details of the rejection, I'll have to guess as to what happened, but I suspect you either 1) posted on mozillazine and your idea was rejected by the fanboys hanging out there, or 2) one of the three or four people working on the firewhatever front-end was typically rude and didn't consider himself to have the time to hold your hand.

If it was the first - that's basically the same as being offended at any random Anonymous Coward here at /. - those people might whine and moan an awful lot, but they have almost zero actual influence on what happens with mozilla. People who write code have influence. And people who write code don't have time to wade through all those threads. (That's not to say that there aren't a few highly dedicated coders who try to be communicative there, but they really get drowned out.)
If it's the second - yeah, they suck. Come work on the back-end instead and either hope for them to relax after 1.0, prove your worth so that they will pay attention to you, or do as most of us, and realize that the Suite really is the product for you anyway. (Firefox is the product designed for clueless IE-loving newbies; Mozilla-proper is for webdevelopers, power-users and programmers - and despite ongoing rumors as to its demise from the afore-mentioned fanboys, you can count on it being around for a very long time yet.)

I personally would LOVE to help. But what's the point ? There has been public rejection or ignoring of my attempts to get involved. I know I am not alone in this plight.

If you want to help, read the documentation on what needs to be done, start hacking and come hang out in #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org Since you don't go into details of the rejection, I'll have to guess as to what happened, but I suspect you either 1) posted on mozillazine and your idea was rejected by the fanboys hanging out there, or 2) one of the three or four people working on the firewhatever front-end was typically rude and didn't consider himself to have the time to hold your hand.

If it was the first - that's basically the same as being offended at any random Anonymous Coward here at /. - those people might whine and moan an awful lot, but they have almost zero actual influence on what happens with mozilla. People who write code have influence. And people who write code don't have time to wade through all those threads. (That's not to say that there aren't a few highly dedicated coders who try to be communicative there, but they really get drowned out.)
If it's the second - yeah, they suck. Come work on the back-end instead and either hope for them to relax after 1.0, prove your worth so that they will pay attention to you, or do as most of us, and realize that the Suite really is the product for you anyway. (Firefox is the product designed for clueless IE-loving newbies; Mozilla-proper is for webdevelopers, power-users and programmers - and despite ongoing rumors as to its demise from the afore-mentioned fanboys, you can count on it being around for a very long time yet.)

Actually, the numbering will be:
0.9, 0.10, 0.11, 0.12, etc.

That is not correct.

Some projects (like the Linux kernel) use numbering like that, but Mozilla does not, Seamonkey went from 0.9 to 1.0 and so will Firefox (scheduled somewhere between august and october), it's all in the roadmap.

What a cool ass group of programmers.

You can be too!

p.s. open source forever.

Three? There's WAY more browsers than that! Check this out:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/

Firefox is a standalone browser whereas Thunderbird is a standalone email/news client.

Firefox is a standalone browser whereas Thunderbird is a standalone email/news client.

There has indeed been a bug in /. rendering for some time, but it's fixed now in trunk (though not in time for 1.7 and 0.9). Granted, it took half a year to get it done but then again, it WAS fixed, unlike IE bugs.

However, the another poster is correct. Slashdot doesn't conform to any real or imaginary standard, and is incredibly broken. Small wonder it works at all, in any browser.

ummm, it actually is
file>import :) problem sorted

and as for the different profile directories, their listed on the release notes page under "changes you should be aware of"