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It is not complete yet, though, so you may find that certain features are missing -- for instance, the cookie manager isn't there yet. You may also miss certain items that they yanked to unclutter the interface -- for instance, the ability to right-click on an image and block future images from that server.

Nightly builds are here: http://komodo.mozilla.org/pub/phoenix/nightly/late st-trunk/

However, I'm slightly concerned about the description of this feature. I gather this appeared in IE, and I fear that mozilla is more concerned with "parity" than with the most usable implementation. (Do you realize that when using the mouse wheel to change text size, going up makes the text smaller? Copied from IE. Won't fix. Bug 146491)

It appears to start searching as soon as you type a letter. This rules out all other possible uses for the letter characters. All of the most accessible keys on the keyboard "used up", just to avoid having to hit a command key to start searching in links. Even though you already have to hit a command key ("/") to search in the full text. If we want more keyboard functions, only punctuation keys (or key combinations) are available. For example, to seach for "foo" I can type "/foo", but to get the next hit, I have to do Ctrl-G, instead of something convenient like "n". This seems shortsighted.

Well, I'll have to try it before I can be sure of my criticism, but from what I understand, this feature could become much more powerful if the implementors design it well, instead of merely copying IE.

However, I'm slightly concerned about the description of this feature. I gather this appeared in IE, and I fear that mozilla is more concerned with "parity" than with the most usable implementation. (Do you realize that when using the mouse wheel to change text size, going up makes the text smaller? Copied from IE. Won't fix. Bug 146491)

It appears to start searching as soon as you type a letter. This rules out all other possible uses for the letter characters. All of the most accessible keys on the keyboard "used up", just to avoid having to hit a command key to start searching in links. Even though you already have to hit a command key ("/") to search in the full text. If we want more keyboard functions, only punctuation keys (or key combinations) are available. For example, to seach for "foo" I can type "/foo", but to get the next hit, I have to do Ctrl-G, instead of something convenient like "n". This seems shortsighted.

Well, I'll have to try it before I can be sure of my criticism, but from what I understand, this feature could become much more powerful if the implementors design it well, instead of merely copying IE.

And here's the FAQ link

http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/faq/mail-news.htm l#3.3

Apparently Mozilla developers use Vi. On the feature description for TypeAheadFind, it says: Type / before your string to search all text.

Wonder if it supports ? for backwards searching, i for case insensitive... ;-) This is good, 'cuz I've found myself hitting / occasionally to do a search in Mozilla.

The mirrors list is your friend.

Also, 10Mb at 3k per second -> 55 minutes. In actual fact, it's about 13Mb so it might take you an hour and a quarter. I don't know where you live, but that shouldn't cost you more than a pint of beer in local currency.

Gerv

Remember that Slashdot article on Paul Graham's method of spam blocking through Bayesian filters?

In case not, the basic idea is that spam can be fairly reliably detected through statistical analysis of word choice. For instance, a message containing the word "GNU" probably isn't spam, while one containing "remove" might just be (but see the write-up for more detail).

Anyhow, there's been a bug filed requesting Bayesian filtering for Mozilla. If you're interested in the feature, you may wish to vote for the bug (of course, you'll need a free Bugzilla account to vote).

Remember that Slashdot article on Paul Graham's method of spam blocking through Bayesian filters?

In case not, the basic idea is that spam can be fairly reliably detected through statistical analysis of word choice. For instance, a message containing the word "GNU" probably isn't spam, while one containing "remove" might just be (but see the write-up for more detail).

Anyhow, there's been a bug filed requesting Bayesian filtering for Mozilla. If you're interested in the feature, you may wish to vote for the bug (of course, you'll need a free Bugzilla account to vote).

Remember that Slashdot article on Paul Graham's method of spam blocking through Bayesian filters?

In case not, the basic idea is that spam can be fairly reliably detected through statistical analysis of word choice. For instance, a message containing the word "GNU" probably isn't spam, while one containing "remove" might just be (but see the write-up for more detail).

Anyhow, there's been a bug filed requesting Bayesian filtering for Mozilla. If you're interested in the feature, you may wish to vote for the bug (of course, you'll need a free Bugzilla account to vote).

...considering Mozilla follows the kernel-style odd/even unstable/stable release numbering format, 1.2 should be a stable build.

Does this mean I'll be able to download a version with XFT anti-aliased font support, like I did with 1.0? I have 1.0 with XFT which I downloaded from here, and I've been waiting to upgrade but I couldn't bear to lose my AA fonts.

In case you haven't seen it, I have a screenshot of Mozilla with AA fonts here.

For

--Jon

The headline is misleading - this is Mozilla 1.2 Alpha. See the roadmap for full details on the numbering scheme and release schedule.

1.0.1 was also released recently. This is a bugfix release for those people using 1.0 who don't want to upgrade to 1.1final or 1.2alpha.

Gerv

The headline is misleading - this is Mozilla 1.2 Alpha. See the roadmap for full details on the numbering scheme and release schedule.

1.0.1 was also released recently. This is a bugfix release for those people using 1.0 who don't want to upgrade to 1.1final or 1.2alpha.

Gerv

As I understand it (and I could be wrong)

And indeed, you are... :-) Seriously, the version numbering appears a bit strange, but if you check out the mozilla page then you'll see that 1.2 alpha is the bleeding edge stuff, and 1.0 is a stable release, and err well, 1.1 is "in between" :-).

viewed on the type ahead find website:
If you repeat the same character, it will start to cycle through all the links that begin with that character. However, if it can find a match with the exact string you've typed, such as "oo" in "woods" it will go there first. Typing a third "o" will then cycle through the links.

then what if one url is http:///www.wooooooooonderful.com/ ? will we have to type 10 times "o"?
nahhhhh! ;)))

Has anyone noticed that there's no installerless .zip release of 1.2alpha for Windows on the releases page? I will use the .exe for now but being able to unzip testing versions in a self-contained directory (as was the case with previous releases) is rather handy.

The release notes even say "In this release the feature does not work in installer-builds you need to get a .zip distribution", yet there is none. Perhaps it's just an oversight.

Need More info?
Visit http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ui/accessibility/t ypeaheadfind.html

Btw Kudos to Mozilla team!

And I just tried [www.bugzilla.org], and it worked fine

I wasn't aware of www.bugzilla.org. I was referring to bugzilla.mozilla.org, which just refused me.

Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled.

Netscape 6 will only support up to 4 in depth.

Eh? Seriously?
But what about the Nested Table Demo? Mozilla's been redering that great since 1999.

The only *working* example I could find online is the bugzilla duplicates app. I just didn't have the time to work out how exactly that was working while my app wasn't. I'm hoping come a few more revisions' time, things will work better and be better documented. It's very cool technology, and I can think of many uses for it.

You don't have to figure out how to setup LXR to use it with the mozilla source.

The mozilla folks already run LXR against mozilla:
http://lxr.mozilla.org

The java plug-in is very well penetrated into people's browsers. Both python and ruby have implementations in java. This should somehow be enough to make it work.

There is (was?) a project to put java on equal footing with javascript in mozilla. I wonder what is happening with it. > Hmmm, yep it's still there as of April, anyway. It's called blackwood. I also stumbled across Luxor. These look interesting.

obvious

mozilla.org's mission is to create open source code that software developers can use to build web applications. We make Mozilla available for download so people like you can help test it. Being a tester isn't hard - just use Mozilla for your everyday work, upgrade when we ask, and submit crash reports if you're prompted. Doing this helps us measure and improve Mozilla's stability.

facty facty

Mozilla 1.0 is a fully functional technology demo for those interested in seeing what can be done with Mozilla technology, and those who want to create Mozilla-based products and packages. The intended target audience is the development community. Mozilla is free software, so any person or company is free to alter and redistribute it under the terms of the licence. While Mozilla 1.0 (as released by mozilla.org) is ready to be used comfortably by the general user - and those wanting to use Mozilla as released by mozilla.org are more than welcome to do so - mozilla.org has no resources to offer end-user support. However, mozilla.org always invites new testers and bug reporters. Mozilla 1.0-based products and packages are expected to start appearing in the next several weeks. Other applications of Mozilla technology are also in development.

A simple qwestion, a simple answer

2.1. Can I install just the browser, not the rest? Yes. Choose 'Custom' as your download or install option, and check both 'Browser' and 'Personal Security Manager'. (You will need the Personal Security Manager to use secure websites.)

obvious

mozilla.org's mission is to create open source code that software developers can use to build web applications. We make Mozilla available for download so people like you can help test it. Being a tester isn't hard - just use Mozilla for your everyday work, upgrade when we ask, and submit crash reports if you're prompted. Doing this helps us measure and improve Mozilla's stability.

facty facty

Mozilla 1.0 is a fully functional technology demo for those interested in seeing what can be done with Mozilla technology, and those who want to create Mozilla-based products and packages. The intended target audience is the development community. Mozilla is free software, so any person or company is free to alter and redistribute it under the terms of the licence. While Mozilla 1.0 (as released by mozilla.org) is ready to be used comfortably by the general user - and those wanting to use Mozilla as released by mozilla.org are more than welcome to do so - mozilla.org has no resources to offer end-user support. However, mozilla.org always invites new testers and bug reporters. Mozilla 1.0-based products and packages are expected to start appearing in the next several weeks. Other applications of Mozilla technology are also in development.

A simple qwestion, a simple answer

2.1. Can I install just the browser, not the rest? Yes. Choose 'Custom' as your download or install option, and check both 'Browser' and 'Personal Security Manager'. (You will need the Personal Security Manager to use secure websites.)

obvious

mozilla.org's mission is to create open source code that software developers can use to build web applications. We make Mozilla available for download so people like you can help test it. Being a tester isn't hard - just use Mozilla for your everyday work, upgrade when we ask, and submit crash reports if you're prompted. Doing this helps us measure and improve Mozilla's stability.

facty facty

Mozilla 1.0 is a fully functional technology demo for those interested in seeing what can be done with Mozilla technology, and those who want to create Mozilla-based products and packages. The intended target audience is the development community. Mozilla is free software, so any person or company is free to alter and redistribute it under the terms of the licence. While Mozilla 1.0 (as released by mozilla.org) is ready to be used comfortably by the general user - and those wanting to use Mozilla as released by mozilla.org are more than welcome to do so - mozilla.org has no resources to offer end-user support. However, mozilla.org always invites new testers and bug reporters. Mozilla 1.0-based products and packages are expected to start appearing in the next several weeks. Other applications of Mozilla technology are also in development.

A simple qwestion, a simple answer

2.1. Can I install just the browser, not the rest? Yes. Choose 'Custom' as your download or install option, and check both 'Browser' and 'Personal Security Manager'. (You will need the Personal Security Manager to use secure websites.)

I'm still irated at the bugs that are STILL on my voted list, and I publicly gripe at them for not fixing them. I'm not a C++ programmer, so you can't just say "if you don't like it, code it yourself", but I try to contribute the best way I can: buglisting, comments, voting, and bitching. Most of these bugs would be VERY simple fixes for the programmers that are familar with the system, but even with that, some of them are over a year old.

Some of these include:
122927: java can't open window in response to click (when opening unrequested windows is disabled)
33732: [MW]Mousewheel scrolling scrolls listbox, not page
99997: "Copy email address" doesn't copy name
118905: Reply All Does not reply to all
(and any bug linked to 92997: Bugs that make Mozilla advocacy harder)

The cancellation of bug 122927 really angered me, especially when I get a comment like: "Since the UI for this Mozilla feature has been intentional removed from Netscape, it is difficult to justify wasting any of my company's resources on fixing related bugs. There are plenty of other crashers on my plate which are much more important than a pref Netscape customers will probably never discover!"

Don't get me wrong: I love Mozilla. However, the corporate politics are starting to interfere with Mozilla's development, despite its open-source status.

I'm still irated at the bugs that are STILL on my voted list, and I publicly gripe at them for not fixing them. I'm not a C++ programmer, so you can't just say "if you don't like it, code it yourself", but I try to contribute the best way I can: buglisting, comments, voting, and bitching. Most of these bugs would be VERY simple fixes for the programmers that are familar with the system, but even with that, some of them are over a year old.

Some of these include:
122927: java can't open window in response to click (when opening unrequested windows is disabled)
33732: [MW]Mousewheel scrolling scrolls listbox, not page
99997: "Copy email address" doesn't copy name
118905: Reply All Does not reply to all
(and any bug linked to 92997: Bugs that make Mozilla advocacy harder)

The cancellation of bug 122927 really angered me, especially when I get a comment like: "Since the UI for this Mozilla feature has been intentional removed from Netscape, it is difficult to justify wasting any of my company's resources on fixing related bugs. There are plenty of other crashers on my plate which are much more important than a pref Netscape customers will probably never discover!"

Don't get me wrong: I love Mozilla. However, the corporate politics are starting to interfere with Mozilla's development, despite its open-source status.

I'm still irated at the bugs that are STILL on my voted list, and I publicly gripe at them for not fixing them. I'm not a C++ programmer, so you can't just say "if you don't like it, code it yourself", but I try to contribute the best way I can: buglisting, comments, voting, and bitching. Most of these bugs would be VERY simple fixes for the programmers that are familar with the system, but even with that, some of them are over a year old.

Some of these include:
122927: java can't open window in response to click (when opening unrequested windows is disabled)
33732: [MW]Mousewheel scrolling scrolls listbox, not page
99997: "Copy email address" doesn't copy name
118905: Reply All Does not reply to all
(and any bug linked to 92997: Bugs that make Mozilla advocacy harder)

The cancellation of bug 122927 really angered me, especially when I get a comment like: "Since the UI for this Mozilla feature has been intentional removed from Netscape, it is difficult to justify wasting any of my company's resources on fixing related bugs. There are plenty of other crashers on my plate which are much more important than a pref Netscape customers will probably never discover!"

Don't get me wrong: I love Mozilla. However, the corporate politics are starting to interfere with Mozilla's development, despite its open-source status.

I'm still irated at the bugs that are STILL on my voted list, and I publicly gripe at them for not fixing them. I'm not a C++ programmer, so you can't just say "if you don't like it, code it yourself", but I try to contribute the best way I can: buglisting, comments, voting, and bitching. Most of these bugs would be VERY simple fixes for the programmers that are familar with the system, but even with that, some of them are over a year old.

Some of these include:
122927: java can't open window in response to click (when opening unrequested windows is disabled)
33732: [MW]Mousewheel scrolling scrolls listbox, not page
99997: "Copy email address" doesn't copy name
118905: Reply All Does not reply to all
(and any bug linked to 92997: Bugs that make Mozilla advocacy harder)

The cancellation of bug 122927 really angered me, especially when I get a comment like: "Since the UI for this Mozilla feature has been intentional removed from Netscape, it is difficult to justify wasting any of my company's resources on fixing related bugs. There are plenty of other crashers on my plate which are much more important than a pref Netscape customers will probably never discover!"

Don't get me wrong: I love Mozilla. However, the corporate politics are starting to interfere with Mozilla's development, despite its open-source status.

I'm still irated at the bugs that are STILL on my voted list, and I publicly gripe at them for not fixing them. I'm not a C++ programmer, so you can't just say "if you don't like it, code it yourself", but I try to contribute the best way I can: buglisting, comments, voting, and bitching. Most of these bugs would be VERY simple fixes for the programmers that are familar with the system, but even with that, some of them are over a year old.

Some of these include:
122927: java can't open window in response to click (when opening unrequested windows is disabled)
33732: [MW]Mousewheel scrolling scrolls listbox, not page
99997: "Copy email address" doesn't copy name
118905: Reply All Does not reply to all
(and any bug linked to 92997: Bugs that make Mozilla advocacy harder)

The cancellation of bug 122927 really angered me, especially when I get a comment like: "Since the UI for this Mozilla feature has been intentional removed from Netscape, it is difficult to justify wasting any of my company's resources on fixing related bugs. There are plenty of other crashers on my plate which are much more important than a pref Netscape customers will probably never discover!"

Don't get me wrong: I love Mozilla. However, the corporate politics are starting to interfere with Mozilla's development, despite its open-source status.

The mozilla guys have spent a lot of time making sure mozilla compiles "across about 25 different machines, and at least a dozen different C++ compilers". The guidelines can be found at http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/portable-cpp.html.
As you can see, Rule #1 is that templates are a definite no-no.

mozilla with xul/js allow you to build some interesting tools. But try building a simple front end tool that reads a RDF as a remote datasource. I have yet to see an online working example displayed in a tree.

While the responses on the mozilla newsgroups are excellent (with the actual netscape engineers responsible responding), the lack of consistant *complete working examples* is a pain.

I had to laugh when I stumbled upon Mark Hammonds site and found a mozilla /xul python search page. Quickly I checked the xul source to see if mark used remote RDF only to see the code commented out with a remark along the lines of, 'almost got going'. Marks example works ,but like the code I was working on it had to use a different approach.

I just want to to use remote RDF feeds.

For us non-Mac people, we can still play with Mozilla Calendar

It looks like ROT 13 has been in consideration for quite a bit of time. Go to bug #66822 for the complete story. The short of it is that it is not built into Mozilla at this point, but someone did upload a scriptlet to do this.

I tend to agree with you about MDI. On the other hand, I love Mozilla's tabbed browsing. Does that make me a hypocrite?

One of the goals of Perl 6 is to make non-trivial projects possible. That's good. The way it's being done is bad. Perl was once a lightweight, extremely flexible language. Now it's become a huge ugly monster. People wanted OO, so a nasty hack was bolted on top to allow some semblance of it. Now this nasty hack is being expanded. Sure, the code's different, but the basic form is the same. Kludge upon kludge upon kludge; I'd much rather have a nice, clean, pure language (and not one with loads of irritating whitespace thank you very much).

The same goes for the syntax. All the switching between $, @ and % is really irritating (ask a newbie how to get at the length of the keys array of a hash inside a hash, for example), and the changes proposed for 6 are just making this worse -- it seems that Larry, in his infinite wisdom, wants to prefix every data type with a different hard-to-type character. Perl was only designed for the three data types, and adding more is a mess.

Perl 6 is a complete rewrite, but it keeps all the mess which has accumulated over the previous versions. This is not good. Sure, my const int $var = 27; may look neat (in the same way that, say, Pascal does), but $var isn't entirely constant, or entirely an integer, it's just a hack which makes it sort of behave like one. The whole thing is an exercise in pseudo-computer science masturbation with little real purpose except to please the managers who dislike the one thing that makes Perl special.

On a similar note is regexes. I'm an avid fan of regular expressions simply because a nondeterministic finite automata is far more flexible than linear code. However, Larry must have been smoking that cheap $2 crack when he wrote this. Does he want Perl 6 to be flex or something?

I won't be going on to use 6. It's a nice idea, but it's completely unnecessary. It won't make large projects any easier to manage (the language is still, at heart, an almighty hack -- an impressive one, but still a hack). It won't make OO any cleaner. It won't make development any faster. To put it bluntly, Perl scripts will still look less beautiful than our friend Mr Goatse. I'd prefer to use a language which has always been pure synthesis of science and engineering, not some half-baked imposter.

Perl 6 will be nice, but I'm guessing it will be the end of Perl. It can't do what it wants to do whilst still being based upon a nasty mess. There are now other options, which provide all of Perl's power and none of the mess. Sorry, but *BSD^H^H^H^H Perl is dying. Larry is buggering it up the ass without lubricants, just like Shoeboy is doing to Larry's daughter.

NoPopIE [daishar.com], Internet Explorer popup killer (win2k/xp only, for now).

Mozilla, Internet Explorer popup killer (for all flavors of windows).

KDE and Gnome releases are fine, but compared to the Mozilla build/release process, managed by the enigmatic Leaf, they are 2nd class. Mozilla developers created their own tools to do it, too. Mozilla is cross platform, continuous builds, bug tracking integrated with version control, and they released regularly on a five week cycle (now quarterly), and daily build and smoketests. And once again, Mozilla is cross-platform -- Linux, Windows, and Mac OS 9/X.

Sorry to crash the party, but I have yet to see KDE or Gnome approach the bar that Leaf and Brendan Eich set high.

KDE and Gnome releases are fine, but compared to the Mozilla build/release process, managed by the enigmatic Leaf, they are 2nd class. Mozilla developers created their own tools to do it, too. Mozilla is cross platform, continuous builds, bug tracking integrated with version control, and they released regularly on a five week cycle (now quarterly), and daily build and smoketests. And once again, Mozilla is cross-platform -- Linux, Windows, and Mac OS 9/X.

Sorry to crash the party, but I have yet to see KDE or Gnome approach the bar that Leaf and Brendan Eich set high.

KDE and Gnome releases are fine, but compared to the Mozilla build/release process, managed by the enigmatic Leaf, they are 2nd class. Mozilla developers created their own tools to do it, too. Mozilla is cross platform, continuous builds, bug tracking integrated with version control, and they released regularly on a five week cycle (now quarterly), and daily build and smoketests. And once again, Mozilla is cross-platform -- Linux, Windows, and Mac OS 9/X.

Sorry to crash the party, but I have yet to see KDE or Gnome approach the bar that Leaf and Brendan Eich set high.

KDE and Gnome releases are fine, but compared to the Mozilla build/release process, managed by the enigmatic Leaf, they are 2nd class. Mozilla developers created their own tools to do it, too. Mozilla is cross platform, continuous builds, bug tracking integrated with version control, and they released regularly on a five week cycle (now quarterly), and daily build and smoketests. And once again, Mozilla is cross-platform -- Linux, Windows, and Mac OS 9/X.

Sorry to crash the party, but I have yet to see KDE or Gnome approach the bar that Leaf and Brendan Eich set high.

KDE and Gnome releases are fine, but compared to the Mozilla build/release process, managed by the enigmatic Leaf, they are 2nd class. Mozilla developers created their own tools to do it, too. Mozilla is cross platform, continuous builds, bug tracking integrated with version control, and they released regularly on a five week cycle (now quarterly), and daily build and smoketests. And once again, Mozilla is cross-platform -- Linux, Windows, and Mac OS 9/X.

Sorry to crash the party, but I have yet to see KDE or Gnome approach the bar that Leaf and Brendan Eich set high.

This page will be linked in the next version of the FAQ, which I'm at home working on now ...

The situation with Mozillas Relicensing is complicated .

They will eventaully have an MPL/NPL/GPL triple licence. All new checkins must conform to this. Unfortunately a lot of their code was submitted by non-Netscape employees before they announced their GPL plans, which means they have to track down everybody and get explicit permission or rewrite that piece of the code.

The standard Mozilla installer clickwrap says the code you are installing is licenced under the MPL only.

I believe Mozilla is dual-licenced; you can use it under the GPL if you want.

I believe Mozilla is dual-licenced; you can use it under the GPL if you want.

I believe Mozilla is dual-licenced; you can use it under the GPL if you want.

attack of the killer pr0n pop-up ads? try using mozilla and save yourself the embarassment.

http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/relicensing-faq.html#ne w-license

The functionality is probably in the code; there's just no way to access it from the GUI menu-based preferences.

Look for these lines in the prefs.js file in your profile directory, and make sure that they have the values indicated below. If the lines don't exist, just copy and paste the lines below into your prefs.js file.

user_pref("capability.policy.default.Window.open", "noAccess");
user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);

For lots of details about prefs, go here.

Look for these lines in the prefs.js file in your profile directory, and make sure that they have the values indicated below. If the lines don't exist, just copy and paste the lines below into your prefs.js file.

user_pref("capability.policy.default.Window.open", "noAccess");
user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);

For lots of details about prefs, go here.