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Mozilla 1.2 Betas Start Flowing
Asa Dotzler writes "Today mozilla.org released Mozilla 1.2alpha. This is a preview of what's to come with Mozilla 1.2 expected in early November. The new alpha contains great new features like Type Ahead Find which allows quick web page navigation when you type a succession of characters in the browser. In addition to the new features Mozilla 1.2a contains stability and perfomance improvements including a major boost in the speed of downloading mail on Mac OS X.This release comes on the heels of the security and bugfix follow-up to Mozilla 1.0. If you're a 1.0 user and you're not upgrading to Mozilla 1.1 or newer then you are strongly encouraged to get Mozilla 1.0.1 for security and stability fixes."
If humans had evolved with six digits on each hand, this would be a major, major milestone release.
mozilla is bloatware at least on linux
Mozilla will become feature complete when compared to IE6 sometime in the beginning of next year :-) It's good to see the Moz boys picking up the pace when it comes to implementing some of the more convienent features we've gotten used to in IE on Windows and the Mac. While I wouldn't mind IE stealing the wonderful idea of tabbed browsing Im seriously beginning to wonder just what kind of "end user" enhancements will be released with IE 7.0.
Seriously beyond the commonplace protocol upgrades and reworks I think that IE 7.0 will end up being quite the hard sell for the typical Windows User. This may present an opportunity for Mozilla/Netscape to steal a bit of marketshare if things go right. This will happen anyway as AOL is planning to move their browser engine over to Moz (already been done for the MacOSX version I believe) and the Gecko AOL betas run quite well.
J
I love idealists not because I am one, but because they make life bearable for pragmatists such as myself.
Need More info?t ypeaheadfind.html
Visit http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ui/accessibility/
Btw Kudos to Mozilla team!
Never learn by your mistakes, if you do you may never dare to try again
Really? That sounds cool, where can I download the source?
Stop whining..First let's get mozilla up there with the rest featurewise, and then talk about NEW features.
And if you are so desperate about getting new features, why not write one yourself? Or take a look at mozdev.org and help out..
I can't see any major improvements over 1.1, so why the version jump? Although it's nice that they're keeping a steady release schedule.
And I wonder if they're ever going to do anything about the memory footprint. Together with Windows 2000's awful VM handling, I'm in swap city every time I copy a large file, having to wait more than 30 seconds for my Mozilla window to be swapped back in.
READY.
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Just as mandrake 9 is about to come out they go and update mozilla again. Since they're on RC2 I doubt they are going to hold back for the new Mozilla. It's times like this I'm glad that Mozilla installs in linux the same way it installs in windows. Graphically and easily, as everythign should.
I first used Mozilla two years ago, when it was slow and crummy. I must say that since 1.0 there really is no significant difference between using Mozilla or IE, except for the pop-up blocking in Mozilla. I'm sure the newer version will be that much better. Keep it up.
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Is this some sort of new twist on mathematics or Greek?
The headline states Mozilla 1.2 "Beta" only to be told that the MOzilla 1.2 Alpha was released.
I swear you're like my wife who says's it's almost 7:00 at 6:30.
It's all relative I guess.
Cheers,
Jonathan
what is it? the title and the article dont agree
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Im taking the preemptive move of pointing out I've already seen the nasty mistakes in my post.
Darned flexible keyboards in the morning!
Jonathan
In all other ways, Moz has completely replaced all other browsers for me. I always laugh at friends and coworkers who send me a link, but then tell me to be careful because it comes with several popup-ads.
I have to wonder what the rationale behind including a download manager with no scheduling or restart functionality is.
Oh well. I assume that this will come along eventually, just like everything else. The team has fixed both the bugs I submitted for 1.1a (table layout problems), so I will assume that they will eventually get around to this kind of functionality.
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
Has anyone noticed that there's no installerless .zip release of 1.2alpha for Windows on the releases page? I will use the .exe for now but being able to unzip testing versions in a self-contained directory (as was the case with previous releases) is rather handy.
.zip distribution", yet there is none. Perhaps it's just an oversight.
The release notes even say "In this release the feature does not work in installer-builds you need to get a
I have been using the mozille 1.1 now for a couple of days its pretty solid. I wonder what 1.2 will bring to the floor
Okay, good work to the mozilla crowds, but just 1 question before I switch:
What can the new mozilla do that I can't already do in Opera or IE?!?!?
The reason I ask is because if the answer is 'not a lot' then mozilla won't really get a big market share - what's the point in switching from a package you already like for no real benefits.
Mod this down as a troll if you like, but it is a good question. Market share - you'll need it.
So... umm...
What about this post was informative?
The repeated link from the story post?
The "Need More info?" question?
The kudos?
Oh. I get it. We didn't know that you were the Unix master. Thanks mods! I would have never have realized that the Unix Master himself posts on Slashdot!
ne text pas
The headline states Mozilla 1.2 "Beta" only to be told that the MOzilla 1.2 Alpha was released.
I interpreted the headline as "the Mozilla trunk is now open to Beta checkins."
Will I retire or break 10K?
Mandrake, similar to most other distros, try to avoid shipping alpha releases of core components, so you'd have to wait for the Mdk9.1 release.
mind telling me which particular features IE has that are in common use which the current mozilla doesnt support?
The most popular features in IE that aren't in Mozilla:
Will I retire or break 10K?
The reason i haven't adopted Mozilla yet is because it forces me to use it's internal Moz Mail client.
Until i can pick which mail client i want to use, mozilla will just be a secondary browser on my system.
Yes, my girlfriend is a BitchX
Ai, é o meu cuzinho!
What the hell is it doing that it needs to run that slow?
viewed on the type ahead find website:
;)))
If you repeat the same character, it will start to cycle through all the links that begin with that character. However, if it can find a match with the exact string you've typed, such as "oo" in "woods" it will go there first. Typing a third "o" will then cycle through the links.
then what if one url is http:///www.wooooooooonderful.com/ ? will we have to type 10 times "o"?
nahhhhh!
irma trattino
eat.me at http://irmetta.free.fr
I have been using Opera since 5.0 and I think it doesn't handle well the javascript. Some sites of web mails doesn't work with Opera, and then I must use Mozilla to see it. I hope the next Opera 7 could be more DOM/Javascript compliant. Or they will continue to do pages like this: www.direito.varginha.com.br
The headline is misleading - this is Mozilla 1.2 Alpha. See the roadmap for full details on the numbering scheme and release schedule.
1.0.1 was also released recently. This is a bugfix release for those people using 1.0 who don't want to upgrade to 1.1final or 1.2alpha.
Gerv
IE6 has mouse gestures
Is Mickey [ O ] sticking his middle finger up enough of a "mouse gesture"?
tabbed browsing
Maximize IE, and your taskbar becomes a tab bar. Or install CrazyBrowser.
and pop-up blocking?
Press Ctrl+W real quick before the pop-up finishes loading.
Such are the workarounds IE users employ to emulate Mozilla features.
Will I retire or break 10K?
So? Isn't there something about copying being the highest form of flattery? And isn't this OSS?
After years of displeasure with netscape crashing on me, I was excited when Mozilla 1.0 came out. And it does rarely crash. Mozilla is barely usable under Linux, if you have a fast machine and lots of memory - sometimes it hangs for a while, but it is better than Netscape by far. On Solaris, even on a fast machine (e.g. 8*900mhz CPU V800), Mozilla is painfully slow - it can't even keep up with my typing! I wish there was a web browser that actually worked on Solaris.
Alright, I read the info about type ahead find, but I wasn't quite able to make out just what it does. Could someone help explain to me how this is an improvement over the search already included in previous Mozillas?
Alpha is just an early Beta; the way that 2+2=5 for large values of 2.
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Heck - Mozilla is just going from strength to strength - it's so nice to have another excellent (free) browser option !
I now use mozilla for over 50% of my day to day surfing - not quite ready to ditch ie6.0 yet, but getting closer...
A slashdotting - you get the stick first and then the carrot !
Is there any reason to switch from Opera to Mozilla? The only big differences on my machine between Opera and Moz is that Moz is slow and it's a memory hog. And those aren't really good reasons to switch.
Is there some sort of preferences manager that deals with all the options this new functionality is bringing about? The reason I ask is that whilst type ahead find looks and sounds rather nice, I don't think that adding a line of text to a flat text file is exactly the most user-friendly way of doing things. Especially not in a Windows world anyway.
On a side note, it's like when NS7 is mentioned without the pop up ad filter and you invariably get the posting that says "edit this file, add this line, remove this comment and it's done!". Might be easy to us, but probably not to those people that we'd like to encourage to use something apart from IE.
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Type ahead find has existed for years in IE for Mac, just like it has existed in the Mac Finder since system 7. The behaviour of typing a fiex letters and getting the closest element of a set has been implemented everywhere : file lists, dropdown menus, etc.
That is the problem with the behaviours of the mozilla interface widgets : they don't behave like any plateform.
Would it be too hard to make the widgets behave diffently depending on the plateform ? For example, when you click once in the address bar, all the text gets selected. That works on Windows, but not on the Mac, where the standard is to insert the bar cursor at the point where you clicked. The same for clicking in the scrolling bars : it only pages once, not repeatedly like on a Mac. The same for the dropdown menu (see the comparison of the windows drop down menu and the mac one by Bruce Tognazzini), etc etc.
I think people like visual inconsistency (themes, skins), but hate behavioural inconsistency.
What sites are you talking about?
The DMCA part was a joke, but the discrimination against Mozilla users is real. For example, click this link with Mozilla, and you get "You have accessed this page because you are trying to view MeTV in a browser other than Internet Explorer. To enter the site, please click here and download the latest version of Internet Explorer. (Mac users click here.)" For more such bugs click here.
Now watch them lose 30% of their market when AOL 8.5 for Windows switches to Gecko. (AOL for Mac and CompuServe for Windows have already switched, but AOL for Windows has more market share.)
Will I retire or break 10K?
...considering Mozilla follows the kernel-style odd/even unstable/stable release numbering format, 1.2 should be a stable build.
Does this mean I'll be able to download a version with XFT anti-aliased font support, like I did with 1.0? I have 1.0 with XFT which I downloaded from here, and I've been waiting to upgrade but I couldn't bear to lose my AA fonts.
In case you haven't seen it, I have a screenshot of Mozilla with AA fonts here.
For
--Jon
Cleanstick.org: Dumb weblog about nothing
Normally, at this point, I would mention that there's a Spellchecker available for Mozilla. However, it appears that the Spellchecker is broken with all nightly builds after August 30th (and I'm not certain whether 1.2alpha is affected as well)
The spellchecker-broken bug has been filed as a "blocker" (highest possible severity), but there's been no progress since August 31st (when the bug was filed). :-/
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
What isn't up to par, featurewise? As far as I can tell, it's as far as IE, and with the addition of tabbed browsing and the composer, it's even slightly better.
It's been a long time.
Remember that Slashdot article on Paul Graham's method of spam blocking through Bayesian filters?
In case not, the basic idea is that spam can be fairly reliably detected through statistical analysis of word choice. For instance, a message containing the word "GNU" probably isn't spam, while one containing "remove" might just be (but see the write-up for more detail).
Anyhow, there's been a bug filed requesting Bayesian filtering for Mozilla. If you're interested in the feature, you may wish to vote for the bug (of course, you'll need a free Bugzilla account to vote).
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
I've had a problem building mozilla 1.1 with gcc 3.2, it seems that the jre plugin will *not* work (I've tried building mozilla with the --enable-old-abi-compat-wrappers tag, still doesn't work). Any ideas?
Well, the emacs W3 browser has been doing the "type-ahead find" (it's properly called i-search) since it was invented...
I love Mozilla. There's just one thing stopping me using it - when I open links from other programs (including the address bar on the Start Bar) it uses an existing Mozilla window/tab rather than opening an new one.
I just can't use a program which randomly overwrites my open windows.
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I know it is probably slightly off-topic, but maybe she is trying to make you understand that waking up half an hour early may be good for your marriage.
I was driving to work today and I was thinking how mozilla was missing one more feature to be a even greater browser. I wished there was a way to click links without using the mouse.
/. and suprise, my wish was granted.
I open
Already installed 1.2a and Type Ahead Find is just great.
Get this stuff..
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Apparently Mozilla developers use Vi. On the feature description for TypeAheadFind, it says: Type / before your string to search all text.
;-) This is good, 'cuz I've found myself hitting / occasionally to do a search in Mozilla.
Wonder if it supports ? for backwards searching, i for case insensitive...
would /. report it as another mozilla beta release..
-Cnik
This sounds exactly like the feature that OS/2's version of netscape had with voice navigation. Basically, you could speak a link on a page, and you would go there. Very slick. Dunno how great it is with typing. I'd rather some of the more frequent nav keys be linked to single keys, which this feature basically destroys any chance of using.
I hope they do better on 1.2 than they did on 1.1. I couldn't browse eBay for 10 minutes without 1.1 crashing under Windows 98 and I got similar results under Windows ME. 1.1 release that is; I didn't try the beta.
I had to drop back to 1.0. 1.0 was very stable. I hope they use as much caution on 1.2.
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
However, I'm slightly concerned about the description of this feature. I gather this appeared in IE, and I fear that mozilla is more concerned with "parity" than with the most usable implementation. (Do you realize that when using the mouse wheel to change text size, going up makes the text smaller? Copied from IE. Won't fix. Bug 146491)
It appears to start searching as soon as you type a letter. This rules out all other possible uses for the letter characters. All of the most accessible keys on the keyboard "used up", just to avoid having to hit a command key to start searching in links. Even though you already have to hit a command key ("/") to search in the full text. If we want more keyboard functions, only punctuation keys (or key combinations) are available. For example, to seach for "foo" I can type "/foo", but to get the next hit, I have to do Ctrl-G, instead of something convenient like "n". This seems shortsighted.
Well, I'll have to try it before I can be sure of my criticism, but from what I understand, this feature could become much more powerful if the implementors design it well, instead of merely copying IE.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
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So the obvious missing feature of mozilla is a spell checker. Is this planned for any upcoming version?
Seriously!
/.!
/tmp/mozilla-1.0*.rpm;
I tried the Moz 1.1 RPM on my RH 7.2 system, and suddently, the textarea tag screwed up constantly. Text did not wrap, and an "A" tag would cause not only the text in the textarea to become a link, but also submit buttons, and just about everything in the form!
I couldn't even post to
rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep mozilla`; rpm -Uvh
Now it's better...
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Man, I love tabbed browsing and pop-up add blocking but can't they make the UI a little faster and the memory usage lower?
I try to use Mozilla but I'm always drawn back to IE because its just snappier. I think that Microsoft pins the IE pages also. Even when I keep Mozilla resident, my system swaps like no tomorrow when using Mozilla on a PIII 866Mhz system w/ 384mb RAM
Its the same experience I have with emacs. I keep trying but always succumb to vi. vi is just more responsive.
Can't you just unzip the .exe file as if it were a .zip? I've had no problem doing that on self-extracting zip files in the past, though that was from Linux (where I couldn't easily execute the .exe to begin with).
hey moz devs, change the version number in the license!
not trying to nitpick, just thought maybe no one noticed.
moz rocks - and i'm not sure, but i think anyone who says otherwise may be legally retarded.
ali
Ha ha ha!
For fun, click that link. You'll see this:
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Ook! (title)
Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled.
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So, copy the link, then open a new window and paste. (You think you can protect your servers from the likes of us? mwa ha ha ha ha!)
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
Unless the percieved value of the alternative product is 'lower' than the one you happen to currently use, you feel hunted, ill at ease and inferior.
Head spaces like this tend to also lean heavily on denial structures in order to maintain a mental comfort level, which leads in turn to increasingly faulty and difficult to maintain world-views. This causes the whole system to cycle whenever somebody points out a flaw in your belief structure. Round and round you go!
Hint: The easiest way to escape from such a merry-go-round is simply to step off. (You are NOT the products you use. You are far better. Products are there to serve you. If a new product comes along which serves you better than an older one, then using it instead does not mean you were a fool for making your initial decision. All it means is that you are allowing yourself to learn and grow stronger without needless resistance. There is ALWAYS room for upward movement; nobody is 'done', and nobody need feel bad for not being 'done'. Embrace this thinking and you will grow very quickly indeed; so quickly that others will step back and look at you in awe.)
-Fantastic Lad
I've been dying for a feature like 'type ahead find' for the longest time! I prefer keyboard navigation in most situations, but web browsing never worked well for me, as I hate having to TAB, TAB, TAB, ad nausem throughout a link-filled page. Mozilla just got even better! Thanks Mozilla team!
The mozilla people know, that it's not implemented in the best way right now (see bug #167921). If this stays, as it is, many JavaScript applications won't be useable anymore, for example our recently open sourced Wysiwyg XML Bitflux Editor (*shameless plug*) and other similar applications.
And there is no way to prevent it from the application side. But Mozilla promised a fix in the next week for that problem.
chregu
what do you mean, get it up there first, then get features. to get it mainstream, its the features that are really going to count. i think its up there with IE featurewise anyway! what it needs now is a nice big user base. and a mainstream user base at that.
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I was taking the train to work today and I was thinking how great it would be if we didn't have to invade soverign nations or if the world wasn't run by oil companies and the politicians in their pockets and how cool it would be if we weren't poisening the planent and didn't have all this general hatered, stupidy and misery.
/. and suprise, same old geeks talking the same old crap (me included, sadly).
I open
Wishes don't come true.
It's nice, however I'd far rather than when a new window is opened, it is put in a new tab rather than firing up a new window. CrazyBrowser does this and it's great!
Finally, is there any way (a la CrazyBrowser again) that I can set up a "Group" of bookmarks, so with one click I can open 7 or 8 pages in tabs all at once?
These two features alone (including the pop-up blocker) keep me with CrazyBrowser. If Moz can't do them (and I'm sure it can) then it would be a shame because I'd end up probably sticking with what I have.
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Oh hell, here we go. It's the war of the stone-age editors again!
I had not heard of this, so I checked it out. At mozdev.org they seem totally focused on Mozilla 0.9X for windows, there is no mention of mozilla 1.1, and buried obscurely a reference to a version that "should" work on 1.0.
So I guess you couldn't mention the spell checker for quite some time now.
Is there a version that not just "should", but "does" work for 1.1? 1.0?
Some web pages I want to see use IE DOM
extensions (http://www.iberia.com,
http://www.auto-res.net, http://www.abbys-computer.com, http://ingdirect.com), and as
far as:
1.- this web sites are not going to change
their pages,
2.- Bug #154589 is never going to be solved,
i'm forced to use other navigators.
Personally I disagree with the evangelism of
Mozilla, and I think they shoud consider Ramon's
patch.
Regarding the direction of wheel movement when resizing text in Mozilla, I think it's more intuitive that way. It feels more like I'm 'pulling' the text towards me.
Ah well, different folks, strokes etc.
--Jon
Cleanstick.org: Dumb weblog about nothing
At home we use my wife's Win98 PC for our personal email. We are still using the Netscape 4.7 client for this because it's easy and it works. I don't like upgrading stuff on her box, because I hate doing Windows support. Hence I haven't installed Mozilla on it, either.
Is the mail client in Netscape 6 (or 7) usable to the point where I can turn unsuspecting people loose on it? Can it import our existing mail files? We lost a bunch of email once, and I don't want to do it again.
Or should I seriously consider a different email client? I'm not averse to it, as long as it's something that adheres to standards and is simple enough for my wife. Again, importing our existing Netscape email is a must. Stripping HTML from emails (or at least providing a Lynx-like text-only display) would be a great feature. I have to use Outlook at work, and hate it. Maybe that's why I've never given other mail utilities a try.
Constitutionally Correct
When are they going to come up with an improved download manager? One that can compete with download managers such as Download Accelerator or Getright.
Yuioup
In KDE before logout I can "Save session for future logins". Is it not possible to save mozilla session, so the next time I start mozilla, it will open all the pages that were opened during the last session.
i d=36810
Add-on called Total Recall that does similar thing is not working with the latest stable Mozilla builds [ http://recall.mozdev.org ]
If you could help to implement this feature, please see:
Bug # 36810 - New | Target Mileston - Future
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?
Hope Mozilla will catch up and implement this feature (both konqueror and galeon have it).
If they consider Mozilla 1.0 unstable, then IE and Navigator are each a steaming pile of poo. I have all three browsers installed on my system, and Mozilla 1.0 pounds the rest into the ground. Mozilla runs faster, and has only crashed once on me.
...of mozilla-browser newer than 1.00-3. Don't need all that other stuff on my system; just the browser. But there's no mozilla-browser 1.1 yet...let alone 1.2a.
Editor Emeritus and Senior Writer, TeleRead.org
Countless times have I tried to search a web page using the slash. That is so very cool.
Thanks, you just made my night...
Cheers,
Jim
-- My Weblog.
I can see that, actually. You might also think of it as a "zoom" operation, so scrolling down makes the eye go down and the text get bigger (never mind that it affects only the text, so it's not truly zoom). But it's hard for me to believe that many people would find this intuitive. Even when I think "zoom", I have to model it consciously in my head before I can decide which way to scroll. Moreover, the feature is called "change text size" (or something like that--not running mozilla ATM), which clearly implies that up should increase the size.
So while I believe you, I think there is a much stronger case for "up means bigger" as the default. I also think it should be customizable, but the mozilla people have decided that software, the most malleable stuff we can create, should not be adaptable to the user.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
I'm always surprised that yet another Mozilla version does not fix big usability bugs.
These include the broken line wrapping that happens occasionally, the bizarrely greyed-out `launch file' option after downloading some types of files and finally, the irritating way in which if you download a file which turns out to 404, mozilla happily creates the file on your disc containing the 404 html and doesn't tell you!
when is mozilla going to be able to import my netscape and mail.app mail in mac osx? because as of right now, it fails miserably...(doesnt even make an effort)
And the downloaded has that horrible IE habbit of taking twice as much HDD space as required to download by downloading to /tmp and them copying grrr....
Thank you, Mozilla team. I'm typing this into the 31st tab of one instance of Mozilla 1.0.1. I have two other instances of Mozilla running with a total of 14 tabs.
Actually, the keyboard could have been much more useful, like in Opera. In Opera amost any normal key is bound to some useful operation. The con is that incremental search must be activated before (by pressing ctrl-f). Since in mozilla no plain key (without alt or control) has a function, it was possible to use them directly for type ahead find.
/) so that any other plain key could be bound to some operation.
I think it is a waste of keys. It is better to activate type ahead find with some key (such as
java applets still don't work in mozilla under linux. hope they fix this soon.
Downloaded and installed 1.2a. Typeahead works well and also took the time to try bannerblind . It works well for the few sites I tested it on - no more banners on pages. With a tool menu item you can turn it on and off and you can tweek its effect - removing them entirely or hiding them (leaves page layout the same). Way to go mozilla.
I'd like to use tabbed browsing, but I'm using a laptop with a touch pad (two mouse buttons).
If I enable the 'middle-click or control-click' feature then I can't open links in a new window when I want to (without right clicking, which is a bit cumbersome). Anyone know of a solution? Thanks!
I think you totally don't understand what they implimented
What you describe has been there since 0.8 somthing or other
So, does this use GTK2?
--Joakim Ziegler
In an earlier story, somebody mentioned that you could download the Netscape spellchecker as an .xpi file from their ftp site. I think this is it.
(I haven't tried it though.)
You need to download a recent Linux JRE (Java Runtime Environment) from Sun and link to the included Java plug-in from your mozilla plugins directory. I believe there are more detailed instructions in one of the readme files that come with the JRE.
Here
Haven't tried it though.
Um, if you type foo, and then "n", how would it know you're not searching for the "foon" in "buffoon"?
You can also hit F3 for find next.
I just was wondering. All surveys show IE has 95% of the browser market (based on # of hits on popular site I guess) but does that differ for /.? Do /. readers use other browsers/OS'ses?
/. Check your logs and tell us.
Hey CmdrTaco, how about some figures for
The ability to select links w/o the mouse has been around for a while, it just wasn't teribly user friendly. THe TAB key would cycle through the links/form elements on the page, and the enter key would activate the link.
;-)
;-)
I know... not exactly what you wanted
Consider this to be a game of go fish. You got what you wished for. Wish again, and this time, wish for something cool, like, "Have Micro$oft give us all money when we download Mozilla."
--You will rephrase your request for me to go to hell. Goto statements are not acceptable programming constructs
If you are on Windows, check out AdSubtract, which blocks ALL ads from websites. It has a systray icon where you can configure ad, cookie, Java, and Javascript preferences on a per-site basis. Truly a great program (and no, I don't work there.)
The same keystroke-for-searching decisions could have been made without any of the Mozilla developers ever hearing about vi.
The more commonly-used commands in vi have been adopted by so many different programs that many people know about / and ?, not from vi, but from something else, like a pager program (less and more are big examples here).
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
I don't used a RPM based distribution.
I get weird problems trying to run shockwave apps/whatever. ANy shock site makes browser go "poof", no talkback, no annoying Dr Watson stuff neither, just window go bye-bye. Anyone have any ideas?
Funny - the time to type www.mozilla.org and look is faster than typing that text. :)
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Read the new section, Deliberately designed to crash, in my article, Windows XP Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going. The article tries to document a few of Microsoft's abuses and limitations.
I was using Windows XP when I had all those tabs open.
Be sure you are using Mozilla 1.0.1 or later. Version 1.0.1 is very different from 1.0, as the Mozilla web site says.
Oh now you know dear Anonymous Coward!
Damn! lol
Try to be helpful and dont flame mozilla and you got redundant blah
Never learn by your mistakes, if you do you may never dare to try again
there ya go
never mind that it affects only the text, so it's not truly zoom
It affects text and everything measured in em.
If you install the preferences toolbar and decide you don't like it, you'll have to delete some files and edit some XML RDF files to uninstall it.
OK, I give up. Please tell me what this means:
lol
As far as I can tell it looks like a guy raising both his arms above his head so he can smell his armpits.
Dear Lord do you ever need a spanking. I think I'm going to log in right now just so I can mod you down.
God, I love gestures.
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
For OSX, how about "fast enough that it can actually display letters as you type, instead of taking 10-12 seconds to catch up with you" ? How about a download manager that actually shows the download happening instead of a blank line? Stop calling things major version numbers when they have showstopper bugs!
Perhaps, but you can also use View->Show/Hide to make it invisible. Not the same thing as uninstalling, but it certainly comes close.
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Preaching to the choir. You clicked on the wrong comment.
It's been a long time.
I agree with the concern, that was what I had initially thought as well. By taking away that many keys, keyboard customization is going to be a problem (figures, they release this as soon as I find this page on mozilla.org. I think that both features could be very useful to people wanting to use the keyboard more for browsing, but they seem to conflict with each other (I haven't tested 1.2 either, but based on the feature description I agree with you).
Peronally, I found Mozilla on linux kernel 2.4.9-34 to work much better on the desktop with the linux swap partition completely disabled and to setting the browser disk cache to 0.
Of course, if you don't have enough ram, you will have problems, but ram is cheaper than the effects of stress.
--- I would prefer a prehensile tail....
but the mozilla people have decided that software, the most malleable stuff we can create, should not be adaptable to the user
Not to start a flame war, but there are discussions all over about preferences for this and that, witha hard effort to lessen the amount of thingies stuck in the preferences panel. There's definitely a philophy in some folks that "less is more", pick one way and live with it. Matthew Thomas seems to be an influential GUI dude at Mozilla, you can read some of the debates in his weblog.
The options don't all have to go into the standard preferences panel (at least not at first). The mozilla developers resist even adding the hooks in the code. At very least, they should add the hooks, so that integrators can tweak them, and outside developers can experiment with ways to control them. But more productive, IMO, would be for the mozilla developers to tackle the problem of exposing customizability to the end-user in friendlier ways. They can't duck this issue forever.
There's definitely a philophy in some folks that "less is more", pick one way and live with it.
This philosophy seems to dominate the discussions I've heard, at least on the side of the core developers. One hears this in GNOME circles as well. It's been taken too far and now hinders usability.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
128MB RAM. 128MB swap.
Fairly bloaty X+WindowMaker setup.
Default FreeBSD process size limit.
History on, 4MB memory cache for Moz.
Heavy tabbing/multiple window usage, as I've always done on all systems.
Result: After four days, Mozilla finally gets killed for OOM. Closing tabs or new windows doesn't seem to help.
I'm betting this is somehow related to Mail and News, which I'm addicted to out of habit. Tell us, do those of you having a fast and stable time of it forego using that side of the app? Do those of you having a slow and painful time use it as I do?
I tried 1.2 on my OSX system, and it froze at the splash screen. I was able to quit manually, but I immediately trashed it. I use Chimera instead. Based from the same code, right? But a lot better.
Instead of adding new features ad infinitum, the Mozilla dev team should concentrate on giving people a _stable_ browser which can survive half a day without crashing. What's the point of having 100000 features when the browser itself keeps dying. And talking of crashes, why don't they learn from Opera what crash recovery really means?
I did not experience this with the 1.0 versions... anyone else having these problems?
[list several features IE doesn't have]
You might try searching bugzilla.mozilla.org for the features you have mentioned to see if somebody else has suggested it. If you find any RFEs that match features you want, vote for them and add yourself to the CC: list. If not, file them.
On my copy of Mozilla 1.1 for Win32, fullscreen (press F11) hides everything but the URL bar and the tab bar. Press F11 to restore the windowed view.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Except, of course, for those who use Webwasher (or anything else that kills referrer strings).
Yes, "lisp" is powerful, but emacs' lisp engine does not implement lexical scoping. Quite frankly, this is a serious flaw of "elisp" (as well as other early lisp implementations) which the folks who subsequently set the standards for Scheme and Common Lisp obviously realized.
... might want to check out the article for details if this sort of thing interests you.
Vim itself has powerful scripting capabilities, as evidenced by all the goodies you can find on www.vim.org. They have attempted to build a language independent model, kind of like GIMP allows users to script in Scheme, Python and whatever else. An interesting article appeared in a recent Linux Journal or Linux Magazine issue that compared the VIM and the GIMP's attempts at providing a language independent scripting framework. Their conclusion was that the GIMP is more successful on this front
even though I knew about F11 I didn't use the keyboard command to go full screen and could not figure out how to use the mouse to reverse the process.
To enter fullscreen, View > Full Screen. To leave fullscreen, click the "un-maximize" button in at the right side of the fullscreen mode's URL bar.
Will I retire or break 10K?
I used the quickloader a couple of times - took twice as long as loading from scratch. It must be getting swapped out or something.
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This is probably too late but you can find a optimized build for athlon here.