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Google Mirror Beats the Great Firewall of China
An anonymous reader writes "TheNew Scientist has an article
about a Google search mirror called elgooG that apparently
beats the Chinese firewall to the outside world. It displays all of
the text backwards, requiring you to use a mirror to read the text." No big shocker- but imagine how many such mirrors could exist ;)
is that the mirror site, http://www.alltooflat.com/geeky/elgoog/, is blocked by the copy of Websense used on my network. Heh.
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Looks like it's written in Orc.
They should only give access to a list of accredited sites. And block all others.
Otherwise they would be fooled endlessly by such simple tricks.
Owner of a Mensa membership card.
the vertical scroll bar even appears on the left side of my window in IE.
i've even got used to reading the url's backwards.
/usr/bin/awake/too/long
anybody have a mirror?
Sweet.
!doog pu me' kcuf
That's great it displays text backwards and all, but mirrors don't reverse the order text. Make yourself a nice big "R" and hold it in front of a mirror. See the difference?
If you use a mirror to read this google mirror you are going to see the letters in the right order, but they are all going to be backwards!
did you realise that you also had to put your query in backwards...what a slut. can anyone tell me how they made the scroll bar appear on the left hand side (in ie6)? i'm too lazy to work it out for myself.
Well, that's one unique way to get past filters. Good for them!
...I somehow don't think that would be an all-around good thing in the short run. China has a history of being extraordinarily brutal towards protestors and rebels. But it certaintly would be a major step for democracy and freedom all-around.
The government is trying very hard to keep the people ignorant so they can maintain control. Sooner or later, of course, they'll become smart enough to realise their government is screwing them over. The the sh*t hits the fan...
=Smidge=
When you input a search term it has to be backwards as well, and I've never mastered the art of typing backwards. So if you suddenly forget the url for /., you have to type in "todhsals" at this mirror to find it.
may not be as much help in defeating oppressive filters in Arabic speaking countries.
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slashdot strikes back with high quality of editing.. it's only 5 days since slashdot reported that the rumors of chinese blocking of google were false..
So who is writing code for an OS mirror program? What a great idea for a browser plugin, a plugin that re-mirrors the text on the user's display so it can be read.
"Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." --Napoleon Bonaparte
I did a search, and hit enter as normal, but the 'I'm feeling lucky' button is now the default!
It looks like the actual text is just reversed, not mirrored. Holding a mirror up to this won't make it much easier to read.
The words are backwards.. but the letters are not.. so if you use a mirror, the words become forwards and the letters backwards. So might as well just not use a mirror.
!looc si tahT
nobody did a
!!!!tsop tsrip
!!!sretlif ssenemal on emit siht dnA
Type in 'drugs' LOL, how astonishingly appropriate.
Can anyone gimme more info on the above, please ? Thank you !
This is in fact an encrypted Google site, and by using a mirror, you are circumventing the encryption scheme. CEASE AND DESIST NOW before the police come a knocking.
Seriously though, this is a good reminder that there are billions of people on this planet that don't have the right to freely share ideas. Kind of makes me think that stories about not being able to share movies via p2p cheapen the name "Your Rights Online".
"A witty saying proves nothing." -Voltaire
Want Linux games? Yeah, but native only....... *grrrrrrrr*
The Chinese don't give a fuck about the Google search page, or the results page either.
They're being blocked simply as collateral damage, the target of the Chinese filters is the google cache.
You see people were using the Google cache to gain axcess to Google's mirrors of sites that the Chinese were blocking, such as Tibet.org
Using this silly mirrored Google mirror site gains nothing you click any of the 'dehcaC' (cache) hyperlinks on its result pages & you end up on the standard Google cache pages which are still blocked.
The Language tools options is really bizarre. reading l33t speak can be hard. not to mention reading it backwards.
"Beware the squirrels"
I can beat the great Slashdot IP wall with AOL's proxy server.
Not only that, but I can suck 14-year-old boy dick in the process. Yum!
This is not a real Google mirror. The site will forward you to other (advertising partner) sites on certain keywords. I've tried "love" und "sex" (normal and reverse) and I am sure there are more.
Regular google requires two mirrors to read it.
If all the ISP's over there are government-run, then couldn't they theoretically order satellite service from america (or anywhere else), and bypass the gov't ? Sure, 200ms first hop would be killer, but it's still better than the pathetic mind-fucking experience the gov't calls "their internet".
-Billco, Fnarg.com
Reminds me of the old April's Fools-extension that ran on Classic Mac OS. It would reverse any text on your whole system, even as you typed.
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Nice, but the site should provide mirrored fonts. The letters themselves are not mirrored, so they look weird when looking trough a mirror.
Remember the year 2000? They promised us flying cars. They delivered the PT Cruiser...
I'm sorry but Napster & Kazaa can be used to trade illegal files (some are legal, I know).
Google is not illegal, it's just a search engine.
theefer
...and look at the site, jackass. The letters are backwards. It looks perfect in a mirror. Jesus Christ. Talk about lazy.
There's a big differance between government censorship and private industry lawsuits.
I'm sorry but Google can be used to find illegal files (some are legal, I know).
The flow of the text is reversed, but not the letters themselves. So if you look at this site in the mirror, the letters will all be in the correct order, but themselves appear reversed.
Ah-ha said Captian Nitpick!
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One way to do it is to alternate typing your letters with your left hand, and hitting the left-arrow key with your right hand.
t becomes "todhsals". You can type backwards pretty quickly this way, but it's probably also a good way to get repetitive stress syndrome so I wouldn't really recommend it to any aspiring Leonardo da Vinci's.
So s-left-l-left-a-left-s-left-h-left-d-left-o-left-
I wonder how it works for Chinese since it's traditionally written from the bottom of the page, starting on the right hand side. Do they do even have this functionality on computers?
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That's great. So let's publicize this mirror, so the government can block it. Perfect. I'll bet that's exactly what the mirror's creators wanted.
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It's apparently suffering from the todhsals effect.
"A witty saying proves nothing." --Voltaire
Makes me want to surf for hidden backwards messages... Paul is dead, etc.
Mirrors are wonderful things. My employer was blocking access to a
page about the Slutzky Theorom (I wonder how that got on their
blacklist) but thanks to Google's cache I could actually find the
information I needed to do my job. The problem that remains for both
the Chinese people and cube-dwelling peons like myself is that those
in power control the access point to the net and can monitor activity
as well as block content.
Wouldn't it be nice to have access to real wireless connectivity that
was not controlled by the local government (or boss) much like an Internet
version of Radio Free Europe.
When is someone going to post a mirror to monitor attachment hack?
In the USA we are busy trying to censor Napster,Kazaa and programs that are peer to peer.
In theory, yes. However only in theory. The difference lies in what is considered illegal. File sharing is considered illegal in the USA because it infringes the rights of the person who created what you are sharing, and does so in all circumstances except where that person has given explicit right to redistribute (think GPL), whether that person be a large multinational (Microsoft) or some poor bloke coding in his basement. The US government has a duty to protect the interests of the copyright holders, in exactly the same way that it has a duty to protect the right to share files that are meant to be shared, for example GPLed code, or BSD license code. They are not trying to stop you sharing, they are trying to stop you sharing what you are not supposed to share. The fact that people may consider that the US government exercises the protection unfairly is a different matter, but you at least have the right to say so.
In China free speech is considered illegal because it might harm the governing few. Think this is unfair? Tough. Say this is unfair? Go to jail.
I'll agree that things don't always happen as planned, but if peer to peer networks never got their hands dirty sharing things that people didn't have the right to share, they would never ever have attracted the wrath of the RIAA and MPAA, or at least not in such a way. Back in the days, anonymous FTP sites never interested anyone because 99% of what was on them was "free" anyway. The reason that p2p networks are targeted is simply because 99% of what is "shared" on them shouldn't be.
Try NetBSD... safe,straightforward,useful.
This reminds me of back on AOL around '96 when everyone used stupid VB programs to turn everything they wrote into 1337-speak automatically. Most of the programs could also reverse or AlT CaP as well. Yuck. Bad memories.
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I searched for racecar & the results where not backwards. What gives?
Wow.. I just tried to hit www.google.com (i'm in shanghai).. and it resolves to different IPs (seems to be round-robining them.. all are search engines (I think .. can't tell tho 'cuz they're in chinese..)
Here's the most recent one...
http://216.40.213.75/
after you go to all the trouble of typing your search query backwards, hitting enter still uses the button on the left, which is the "I'm feeling lucky" button. Not that its much trouble to go and click the search button.
> In the USA we are busy trying to censor
> Napster,Kazaa and programs that are peer to peer.
Had Napster and Kazaa been only used to trade scans of artwork made by children in reverence of their loving parents, no censorship would have taken place. As soon as these peer-to-peer networks were used to pass copyrighted material in a fashion that stepped outside the typical fair-use bounds, the hammer fell.
This isn't the same deal and you make a mockery of the issue of absolute censorship when you try to make the illegal distribution/procurement of copyrighted material equivalent to keeping a country's population potentially ignorant of a great many truths.
Google is nothing like Napster or Kazaa. Google is a snapshot of the free world, full of news, information and inflammatory, asshole-written comments. The people of China are being *deprived of the right to decide for themselves what is relevent*. It is a ploy by the Chinese government to maintain ignorance in the population, thereby making the population easier to control.
Are you more ignorant of the world if you can't download the latest Britney single for free, depriving poor, poor Britney the royalties due because you appreciate her tight little ass? I highly doubt it, mate.
... that the chinese government officials don't read slashdot
Fun with IP protocols.
;)
Slashdot - 1075594134
Google - 3639550820
Wonder if that would beat the Firewall also.
Discuss.
It's not illegal here. China doesn't follow the same rules.
Google has exactly the same effect as Napster does. Sure it may link to legal content, but it also links to illegal content.
Just stop thinking that your way is right for one minute, and make a rational judgement. You may disagree with the policy of China, but it is their policy. You can scream all you want, but unless you are willing to bring in one billion immigrants into your country, it's a very moot point. It's illegal content until the government says otherwise, and if it's that big of an issue to them, then the chinese proletariate should revolt.
As for government policy, at least they're only blocking content, rather than macarthy-esque witch hunts to bring down the capitolist dogs who would dare circumvent these controls.
It never ceases to amaze me how often economics impedes humanitarian issues. Why can't any country in the world do something completely benevolant? It's not that hard...
You think that I'm crazy, you should see this guy!
Search on the mirror for ''testing''.
Search on google for ''esreveR nI gnitseT''
The same site is #1 in both results...
Google Labs - allows full searches, can circumvent firewall
Soap Client for Google Searches
Google Groups - still accessible for usenet searching.
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That is just too freaky...
hehe
I know what the Internet is, what the hell is this Interweb business?!
Right after reading this article by pure coincidence I just spotted a label on the USB cable that came with the cable modem from my ISP: "MADE IN CHINA".
Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
Keep fighting the good fight. I hate the IP block and quota shit, but I'll fight it 'till the proxies go out and the fake e-mail accounts dry up and Palladium takes over my PC - only THEN will I admit defeat.
Slashdot tries so hard to get rid of us.
However, pages that google caches are illegal in China,, meaning they are both attempting to uphold thier laws, hovever, we think that google shouldn't be illegal, why don't we think that kazza etc. also shouldn't be illegal?? it's all a matter of opinion, and what angle you view the situation at. Reece,
You forget, America is a superpower. Democracy and freedom happens to be in our best interests because free democratic states don't usually go to war with each other (or us). Besides, we're nice people. Your claim about the lack of benevolancy in foreign policy makes me think that you haven't looked very hard.
Your choice of "don't whine or allow a billion immigrants" is a false dichtatomy. There are many other options available. Applying economic or military pressure, for example. Attempting economic and cultural engagement for another.
At least they're only blocking content, rather than macarthy-esque witch hunts...
Oh god. You do know that you are clueless, don't you? China's witch hunts make McCarthy look like Inspector Clouseau. Have you heard of Falun Gong? Maybe you could tell me how blacklisting a few Hollywood movie stars is equivalent to imprisonment, forced labor, and execution? Do you even know what was going on in China just a few years after we had McCarthy? Ever hear of the cultural revolution? Do you know how many people died in the cultural revolution?
Seems like a bit of javascript could fix this?
"And like that
It's easy to type backwards - just type the word out with your left hand while hitting the left cursor key, after each letter of the word, with your right hand. .ezeerb a si siht ekil gnipyt ,dnah eno htiw gnikcep dna gnitnuh ta doog era uoy fI
Well good job slashdot, now the Chinese govenment knows! If you'd just kept quiet then nobody in the government would've found out but now they can block it. Oh well next headline will read:
The Great Firewall of China beats Google Mirror
Security through obscurity guys...didn't you get the memo?
I mean...it's a site that covers a lot of linux & open source stuff (which China likes) but is also very liberal in the opinions expressed on the site.
.. I doubt it -- have they given any thought at all to that historically mirror-challenged group, the vampires?
The reason that p2p networks are targeted is simply because 99% of what is "shared" on them shouldn't be.
The reason Google is targeted is simply because the Chinese think that most of Google's ratings and search results favour western propaganda, which the Chinese think it should not.
The US government has a duty to protect the interests of the copyright holders, in exactly the same way that it has a duty to protect the right to share files that are meant to be shared, for example GPLed code, or BSD license code. They are not trying to stop you sharing, they are trying to stop you sharing what you are not supposed to share.
The Chinese government has a duty to "protect" its citizens from western propaganda, in exactly the same way that it has a duty to protect the speech that is meant to be accessible by the Chinese people, for example Chinese propaganda. They are not trying to stop Chinese people from accessing information, they are trying to stop Chinese people accessing information that they are not supposed to access.
Had Napster and Kazaa been only used to trade scans of artwork made by children in reverence of their loving parents, no censorship would have taken place. As soon as these peer-to-peer networks were used to pass copyrighted material in a fashion that stepped outside the typical fair-use bounds, the hammer fell.
Had Google been only used to access the information the Chinese government allows to be accessed, no censorship would have taken place. As soon as these search engines were used to access western propaganda in a fashion that stepped outside the typical fair-use bounds, the hammer fell.
Google is nothing like Napster or Kazaa. Google is a snapshot of the free world, full of news, information and inflammatory, asshole-written comments. The people of China are being *deprived of the right to decide for themselves what is relevent*. It is a ploy by the Chinese government to maintain ignorance in the population, thereby making the population easier to control.
P2P networks are nothing like Google. P2P networks are a snapshot of the free world, full of useful information that can be freeely shared. The people of US are being *deprived of the right to share information freely*. It is a ploy by the US government to maintain ignorance in the population, thereby making the population easier to control and making sure that some (big) businesses make even bigger profits by prohibiting the people's right to share information freely.
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Mirror mirror on the wall, who is feeling luckiest of all?
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Economic sanctions have proved real useful in the past. Cuba and Iraq are really bowing to the pressure. Economic sanctions and military pressure have had two results: the further impoverishment of the proletariate, and war. Ask the Germans about economic sanctions after WW1
I am not underplaying the death in China. I know of tiananmen square, spoke to classmates who had family there. I know of China's not-so-gentle naturalization of outlying provinces. And I know that China is not the only country to commit such atrocities.
However, in Canada, we sent back boatloads of Chinese refugees without consideration. We didn't even give them medical attention. How benevolant is that? Spending months at sea in cargo containers to escape a previous life, and getting turned back at the border, unsure if you can live the trip again. If my country starts bitching about everything going on in China and doesn't have the guts to even offer medical attention to these people, merely because it would be an inconvenience, I would call every one of us hippocrites!
Face it, the developed countries do not want economic prosperity in China. We are happy getting cheap goods from them. It is in a country's economic interest to hinder the development of other nations, because once we raise the standard of living to equal amounts throughout the world, we all live in a third world nation.
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So if you view the elgooG website in the elgooG cache to you get Google?
Make yourself a nice big "R" and hold it in front of a mirror.
I get the Toys "R" Us logo (Я), which I can no longer type into Slashdot now that it filters all character entities.
Will I retire or break 10K?
These days, people are continuously demanding the government remove rights for others, and do so in draconian ways. And, the governments are doing everything they can to accomodate.
;^). Not to mention the new US sport of having the FBI serve as judge and jury, asking to have people fired from private jobs for nothing more than they are "interested" in that person. I think the absolute government reinforced runiation of a human's one-shot chance at life, just to accomodate others sensibilities - for purely personal matters - is far more brutal than just killing 'em outright.
Look at some of the patently rights offensive censorship laws that have been hatched into this world.
Look at the likes of the DMCA and "automated law enforcement" like camera's that send tickets, computer records matching that effectively ostercize you from humanity for violation of a single law, the prevailing public notion that what's his name in Louisiana SHOULD have been fired just 'cus the FBI ASKED them to.
The list goes on, and on, and on.
So, why would you assume the "government is trying very hard to keep the people ignorant so they can maintain control."?
Maybe, just maybe, "the people" have asked for it to be that way.
When it comes to "being extraordinarily brutal towards protestors and rebels"
Look at what we do to people in the US. 1 person in 32 is, currently, "in the penile system". J-walking is a felony if your budy suggested the pair of you should do so. (Conspiricy to commit a misdemeaner). Look at the wake of destruction we leave behind simple, victimless, crimes like smoking pot (16, or more, times
So, please, spare me the propaganda. China is is no better, or worse, than the US and most other Western nations.
All governments -- ALL governements -- spend a huge amount of time "keep[ing] the people ignorant so they can maintain control" and "being extraordinarily brutal towards protestors". Your's is no exception, it's just that you haven't happened to stumble onto their radar screen, yet.
> a major step for democracy and freedom all-around
Please take a stab at defining "democracy and freedom", using terms other than "The US".
Then, please explain why China, representing 4/5ths of the World's population, shouldn't be dictating everything the World does?
So, friend, maybe you should fix the government in which you live before you start calling others names.
Perhaps www.pornolize.com might be another interesting option.
I wonder how it works for Chinese since it's traditionally written from the bottom of the page, starting on the right hand side. Do they do even have this functionality on computers?
Yes. That's how Japanese newspapers are typeset. However, most text entry is done left-to-right, top-to-bottom like Latin, and then the top-to-bottom, right-to-left formatting is applied from some stylesheet. Most heavily internationalized DTP programs support it. CSS2 doesn't support it, but CSS3 will.
The only common language that's written in columns from top to bottom but does not have a common row-based variant is Mongolian.
Will I retire or break 10K?
If you search for "google", the first hit is, of course, google. The interesting thing is that the text comes out correctly for this search only. Cute, but not quite sure why they did it.
If I elgooG a elgooG result, do I get the original?
Couldnt the guys at The Dialectizer write a "backwards" dialect for their system? Viewing elgooG through that would sort it out.
HORSESHIT. This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever read on Slashdot. Hope somebody mods it as a troll.
Learn the difference between "censorship" and "lawsuits". In the US, the media companies are trying to shut down or control these networks to prevent trading of their IP. This is not censorship. The companies are using their rights within copyright law. The government enforces these rights, but does not act out of personal interest. Sure, laws like the SSSCA would change this, but that'll probably be DOA.
Using the DMCA to prohibit redistribution might be more like censorship. As far as I know, trade secrets have not been accorded anywhere near the same protection as copyrights. The DVDCCA does not have the legal protection for CSS that would normally allow it to pursue the DeCSS publishers like Kazaa et al.; the DMCA (unfairly, I think) allows them to do so anyway.
China is different because the government is not protecting anyone's "rights", however abusrd these rights may be. They're setting up their corner of the Internet to be restricted from the beginning, unlike here where restrictions are (rather unsuccessfully) layered on top of an uncontrolled network. They are attempting to prohibit access to ideas, not copyrighted works. They want to control how their citizens think, not where they obtain (or how they view) their entertainment.
I'm sick of whiny Americans who are so upset about the DMCA that they claim to be oppressed. Your rights are not being violated because the MPAA won't let you download Spiderman. You're so naive from living in a free country that you're incapable of understanding what people in other parts of the world have to go through. What the DMCA is being used for is incomparable next to the evil of communism and totalitarianism.
Want to strike a blow for freedom and democracy? Stop wasting your time bitching about the MPAA and instead organize a boycott of Cisco, a company whose actions imperil the freedom of four times as many people as are affected by the DMCA.
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It requires that YOU type your text in the revers order :P This is way too hard to use :(
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Fucking Mongorians, try to knock down my shity wall!
Am I missing something here?
The "horizontal mirror" thing is kind of weird and quirky. Heh. In the course of testing a content-rewriting HTTP proxy once, I had it replace all occurrences of "server" by "serverino". This falls into about the same area of interest I think.
Apart from that, it's just a proxy, right? Not an open proxy, just one which proxies to Google only. China filters out the proxy; no more story any more.
I guess if it became commonplace for sites all over the place to spring up Google-proxies, then that might be relevant, since the Chinese authorities would have a hard time finding and blocking them all.
But it's just one site, so what's the big deal?
Google
Probably fewer and fewer now that you've called attention to it.
I have had for years the strange and useless "party trick" ability to read english equally well left to right or right to left (on paper or in my head, leading to "talking backwards"), and it struck me as cruel that such an awesome talent would be so utterly useless - trust me, in performance, it gets old after about five or ten minutes.
But now I can search for stuff backwards. Today, Google, tomorrow, the world! Muahahahaha!
ahem
Karma: T-rexcellent.
I will not feed the trolls. I will not feed the trolls. I will not.. ah Hell, here goes.
Your rights are not being violated because the MPAA won't let you download Spiderman. You're so naive from living in a free country that you're incapable of understanding what people in other parts of the world have to go through. What the DMCA is being used for is incomparable next to the evil of communism and totalitarianism.
Guess what? Right now, we are living in a democracy. However, that's rapidly changing. Given that corporate donations to PACs have been upheld by SCOTUS to be "free speech", corporations now have the ability to "shout" really loudly at congressmen; far louder than you or I alone ever could.
There used to be a time when a congressman (or woman) voted on a bill thinking "is this good for the people in my jurisdiction?" Now, though, the real question is "is this good for the companies that donate to my campaign, which allows me to tell the people in my jurisdiction what I've 'done'?"
Laws like the DMCA are the crest of a wave which will wash forward with increasing speed and power. The government passes laws now to "protect its industries" and protect profits at the expense of the welfare of its consum^H^H^H^H^H^H citizens. In fifty years, what say do you hope to have, if such outrageous laws are allowed now?
Capitalism is just the mirror image.
China could save a whole lot of money and administration to complete their goal:
Instead of creating advanced filters and such to blackhole certain sites, they just ought to submit the sites to Slashdot. In this way the sites would become inaccessable.
- Peter Brodersen; professional nerd
You still have the right to unelect your congressmen, or to run for office yourself. You also have the right to protest unfair legislation. You're also able to see what's happenning in our government because it is legally required to operate in the open, and you can even see exactly which companies donated money to which politicians. None of this is true in China.
I agree that IP law has tilted in favor of corporations. You're extrapolating this trend to predict corporate-organized totalitarianism. For the benefit of those readers here who haven't yet reached high-school US history, we've been through worse before. Labor strikes used to be broken up with armed troops. Now our economy is tightly regulated to protect the citizens against the industries. The DMCA and SSSCA are troubling, but I hardly think they're any worse than the sort of corporate welfare that's existed for many years.
We live in a mixed economy; deal with it. Socialists and libertarians may not be happy with our system, but it's worked fairly well so far. There are always extremes, where laws unfairly penalize or empower corporations, but I view this is the price of prosperity. The worst of our system usually gets filtered out sooner or later. This doesn't mean we shouldn't be vigilant against abuses, but it does mean we shouldn't be as hysterical as you and the original poster.
It's still nominally democracy, since you get to vote for people. Question is whether it is representative democracy. Ideally these people you vote for are supposed to represent you.
The term 'democracy' gets used a little too loosely, as though it guarantees that the people have a say in things. But when those you elect don't really represent the interests of those who elect them, that's not the case.
Here in Canada our political system is such that we have the opportunity to depose the current dictator (Prime Minister) every 4 years or so. Here democracy is good because it represents the potential for organized orderly bloodless revolution. Not that it does any good. We trounced the tyrant Mulroney, and have been stuck with Chretien ever since, a dictator who rather than undoing the Mulroney damage, adopted all his policies and perpetuated them. In the US some may still believe they have 'representative' democracy, but in Canada under Chretien and his Liberals any Canadian who believes we have a system of representative democracy simply hasn't been paying attention.
Too bad it isn't useful. The searches return less results and I wonder if their indexing algorithm is reversed too.
[gnat]
>I'm sick of whiny Americans who are so upset
>about the DMCA that they claim to be oppressed.
>...
>You're so naive from living in a free country
Well said. And next time you vote, remember just who it was you voted for last time. Voting for the same tired old big-party hacks that got you into this mess is not the way to fix the problem.
Thing would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic.
Even you admit that the DMCA is "unfair". So why are you so pissed off at people who are attacking it?
Look, don't get me wrong, I realize DMCA is not the greatest possible evil in the world. I realize that we're very lucky to even be in a position where we can sweat the small stuff like DMCA. But does that mean we should just throw in the towel and let the DMCA slide? No way. Wrong is wrong, and it should be fixed.
Your rights are not being violated because the MPAA won't let you download Spiderman.
I don't give two shits about downloading Spiderman. However, I would like to play DVDs on my linux system. I would like to be legally able to copy excerpts from a DVD for fair use purposes. And I would like to be able to walk into a store and buy a region 2 capable DVD player. DeCSS makes these things possible. It should not be illegal just because it can do illegal things.
For the same reason, KaZAA should not be banned just because it can do illegal things. The original poster was right. By your reasoning, CD recorders would be banned since they can be used to pirate software.
If I was only allowed to eradicate one wrong in this world, I wouldn't choose DMCA. But fortunately life is not a zero sum game. We should work to eradicate all wrongs, not just the most serious ones.
Want to strike a blow for freedom and democracy? Stop wasting your time bitching about the MPAA and instead organize a boycott of Cisco, a company whose actions imperil the freedom of four times as many people as are affected by the DMCA.
That's a great idea! From now on, I won't allow any Cisco product to touch my packets. That'll teach 'em! Oh, wait... never mind.
I am the hub of Jack's digital lifestyle.
so, Let me get this straight...
Just because there's legislation that says they can, it's no longer censorship? To use you're own words... HORSESHIT. ANYTHING that impares my ability to see what I want to see is censorship. Period. China has passed legislation that allows them to control what is seen on the internet (in china), and America has passed legislation that allows the RIAA and MPAA to sue to control what is on the internet. (Either on websites, or on p2p, it doesn't matter, it still affects what I can see.) The government isn't the only one who can censor what I see anymore.
Is this a bad thing? At least, as you say, the Government doesn't act out of personal interest. RIAA and the MPAA though...
Let's put this in perspective. Some forms of censorship are worse than others. I can still go to the movies to watch a movie, and I can still go out and buy a CD. So you might think it isn't too bad (yet). But if you think the **AA's aren't censoring what you see, I suggest you crawl out from under the rock you've been living under and take a look around. They aren't hiding what they want. RIAA and the MPAA want to control what you see, and what you hear. ALL of it. And as far as I can see, that makes them no better than the government of china...(W.R.T. censorship)
What's even worse though, is that that "bastion of freedom" the American Government, is letting them!
Since they reverse their text box too, if you type in "Google" you're searching for "elgoog". The first hit you'll get is the elgoog site... which is written backwards. And therefore will appear regularly in your browser.
For those non-english reading Chinese citizens, using a mirror to read Chinese symbols would be a challenge.
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From now on, I won't allow any Cisco product to touch my packets. That'll teach 'em! Oh, wait... never mind.
You could avoid buying their products, at least. And you could educate your colleagues about how Cisco helps prop up totalitarian regimes.
Fade from black to a row of cubicles, all with Chinese flags pinned on the side. The camera enters one of them to find a Chinese worker at his computer, illuminated by the cold glow of his monitor and a single overhead light bulb.
Worker: [crying out in frustration] "I need to find info on democracy, but Google is blocked! Whatever shall I do?"
A man jumps in from out of nowhere, dressed in black, with a black mask and a long black cape, furling in the wind. He points his rapier to the sky, and calls out:
"Have no fear! I am El Goog! I will find your information, and vanquish your dastardly firewall!"
[cheers in background]
Firewall: "Curses!"
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--the only way to help bring about freedom in china is to make it uneconomical for the chinese leadership to continue to do business like they are doing. Rewarding them with hundreds of billions in trade, with zero quid pro quo for freedom for their people, is the biggest mistake we make. Of course, I am talking an economic boycott of ALL chinese made goods, and making it abundantly clear that the boycott stays until the chinese allow freedom of the press and speech and different political parties and freedom of religion, just for starters. Are people willing to boycott? Can geeks put up with stopping buying new hardware that's made in china, or will they just run their mouths but make a hypocritical exception for themselves so they can have the latest chip widget? Using little tricks like this mirror thing that will last two days is NOT the answer, it's a technological cop out, "feel goodism" at best. It's an effort, but falls way short of what is really needed. Way, way,way short.
Me, I have ceased buying any new equipment whatsoever, I am only using used. I'll struggle by with the computers I have now, and any upgrading will still not be new, only used. You can't buy new boxen stuff without supporting china now as far as I know, along with a variety of other products. Screw em, I'm not supporting the fascist, or their western businessmen traitors who don't care about human rights, only the almight profit, even to include 'blood profits" which is what trade with china is. blood profits, anyone proud of making them? Anyone else, or are games more important?
Yes, I know it's hard, walk into any electronics store or walmart, you are hard pressed to find anything not made in china. Well, I've made my committment. I also contact my rep and senator and keep telling them NO to further trade with red china. They operate concentration/reeducation camps, engage in routine torture and brainwashing, use forced abortions on women, engage in infanticide, take poor people and arrest them on trumped up charges so they can execute them and sell their human organs. In short, these goons are no better than the nazi goons of world war 2, there is NO reason to trade with them. I know it will put workers in china out of business, so be it, china needs a revolution, and their fatcfat leaders need to hang for their crimes. Unemployed workers are gonna ask "why", they will take the necessary steps to remove their own goons, if we help them by giving them an incentive, and by supporting freedom movements there, instead of the official goons and politicians and military businessmen.
It won't happen as long as the rest of the world pays them billions of dollars annualy for "business as usual ". And the troubles with china haven't even remotely started yet. Their demographics and political bent indicate massive expansion soon, probably within a decade. This means global war, and we in the west are funding it and supplying a boatload of R&D towards that end. We are supplying them with population command and control tech, weapons, dual usager everything. It's insane basically. No different from supplying some street gang down the street, except for scale. It's something you wouldn't do on a micro local scale, the world shouldn't be doing it on a global macro scale, especially the United States.
Anyone "You" are part of the problem, or part of the solution, saying you are neutral or making an exception for yourself is delusional and hypocritical. Hundreds of billions in trade has resulted in ZERO more freedom in red china, only more wealthy fascists with better terchnology to control and enslave their people.
I imagine this would be perfect for Hebrew.
...is for Google to make a "mirrored" version of itself, like the H4X0R and Bork Bork Bork version...
That way the mirror will return easily readable results.
Make even shorter URLs - 8LN.org
Did anyone else notice this: In order to search for anything, the user needs to actually type the words in the opposite order. What should be done by having the cursor move to the left after each character is typed, needs to be done in the user's head. (Try searching for "slashdot". Then try typing it backwards. Can't use the arrow keys to move the cursor to the left after each character, you've got to type "todhsals".)
This is easy. All he did was use php to reverse the order of text, nothing new to php coders. If you want the source code just ask.
Php can do all sorts of cool geeky things.
What I want to know is why none of the browsers and mail readers seem to come with a ROT13 codec any more. This use to be a common feature of a lot of text-viewing programs, but it seem to have quietly gone away.
;-)
Yeah, I can cut and paste into my own little perl one-liner that does the job. But it was sorta cool to have a menu tool or hotkey that did the job. Now, not even mozilla seems to have it.
(I'd love to be proven wrong about mozilla. What's the CTRL-Foo key that does it?
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
Yeah protect the few monopolies by now allowing the majority to share.
Exactly like China and Censorship to protect their government.
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They prevent you from sharing information with others, thus censoring you.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
It looks like ROT 13 has been in consideration for quite a bit of time. Go to bug #66822 for the complete story. The short of it is that it is not built into Mozilla at this point, but someone did upload a scriptlet to do this.
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Ask the majority of americans if they like napster, gnutella, freenet and the internet, the majority will say hell yes, especially the college educated ones youth.
Ask the select few who own patents, the elite musicians who are the top 1%, the CEOs and they'll be for copyright.
Currently I believe the majority of Americans want information to be free, if they didnt, well they wouldnt be using napster by the hundreds of millions, they wouldnt be sharing information so freely.
"Western legal systems have recognized the right of content creators to control the distribution of their works for some time now. If you have a problem with this, move somewhere that doesn't respect these rights. "
No I'm not going to move, how about all the copyright owners move out?
Look, there was once a time when we needed record companies to distribute art, now we dont, adapt and move on.
Censorship is when anyone says you cant say something. This means when you say I cant share someone elses patented information, well thats censorship and I dont agree with it.
Capitalism does not rank higher than Freedom of speech. A few hundred thousand people out of the hundreds of millions of Americans will be jobless, a few elite musicians will have to earn their money from now on, but for the majority of people in this country, this will be good.
No more over priced CDs.
No more over priced college books.
Everything will be shared, if something isnt worth anything, you just wont make any money.
If people like what you make, people will keep paying you so you continue to make stuff, if you write good books people will pay you to write new books.
Without intellectual property, what we would be left with is services business, information services instead of selling information.
Honestly, I'd rather pay a cable company to access channels of information, pay to go on the internet and get the whole internet etc, Than pay per website, pay per TV show, pay per CD when i only want to hear a song.
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Use this.
Looks like someone came up with an amazingly simple solution. Now ordinary Chinese web-surfing citizens, (with the help of a mirror) can look stuff up on Google! Now all those error messages can be researched, and solved! The Chinese need to re-read the history of the Great Wall of China, and see how useless it eventually became.
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I typed in "xes" and got "000,000,3,18 found".
And downgrading the score (mod) of the parent post to troll is a very good example of Slashdot censorship. Allowing opinions that are different than yours to be heard is a very good basic exercise in democracy and something that Americans should be very fond of.
Labor strikes used to be broken up with armed troops
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This is true, but misleading. This makes it sound like the strikers were being forced at gunpoint to return to work. They were not. The troops were used to protect workers (or "scabs") who were hired to replace the striking worker. It was common practice in the late 19th century and early 20th centuries for striking workers to physically assault the scabs, or even to seize the factory by force and refuse to allow anyone else in.
Sources:
http://www.detroit300.org/detroit300curriculum/dl
http://www.labornet.org/viewpoints/meister/sitdow
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/parton/2/casey.
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/London/Writings/WarOf
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... or somthing similar might be better.
Reading the blurb gave me an interesting idea. Say they are filtering text, not just IP addresses. Set up a search engine that doesn't return text, but an image of the text. I know there's software out there. Interesting idea - what would the processing power be to OCR the text, looking for keywords? Especially if it was just a JPG or GIF. And if that works? Just do a "mirror" image of the resultant picture - good luck OCRing that without help.
Note this doesn't solve the problem, though, since whatever site is built to do this could be added to the block list on the firewall.
"Sometimes a woman is a kind of religion, she can save your soul & set you free from all your sins" - Bad Examples
Each individual letter would still be backwords.
geek n performer who performs morbid or disgusting acts, as biting off the head of a live chicken
Heh, eglooG looks like Google Klingon...
Can you feed the mirror of the site through the mirror again to get it back to what it should be? As for reversing what you type, every first year CS student ought to be able to write a function to do that & put it into javascript to make using a mirror easier on themselves :)
This site is really messing with my ability to use mouse gestures.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I figure the blocking is to make room in the search market for the new Chinese Google lookalike, OpenFind.
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Excuse me, HOW are we going to boycott Cisco in modern society ? First of all better stop using Internet, too likely your traffic goes through a Cisco-router.
But when you think of it, you can't even use a bank. Why ? It's too likely that your banking transactions go through a router, switch, local director or some other gray or black box manufactored by Cisco before they reach the banks database server that finally processes the transaction, because Cisco's products happen to be good, they happen to be good enough for banks AND for chinese government (if that was the point?).
So yeah, let's boycott Cisco, but we'll pretty much boycott MPAA at the same time by accident =)
Software should be free as in speech, but if we also get some free beer, all the better.
Oh really? Traditionally those two have not been seen together - even today there are some who do not see Americans as the "nice people"...
This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever read on Slashdot. Hope somebody mods it as a troll.
I think we need a new moderation category for situations like this: (-1, YHBT)
Here is slashdot, mirrored:
http://www.alltooflat.com/geeky/elgoog/index.cgi?p age=%2Fsearch&cgi=GET&dir=%2F&q=tohdsals+/gro.todh sals:CQwlOIX3CT_g:ehcac&hl=ne&ie=8-FTU
From my experience in china this is probably less about politics and more about wanting a bribe while they demonstrate their influence. I've used multiproxy to get around the not so great firewall already. oddly I can always get to the cult of the dead cow's website from china... This nonsense about not wanting porn to get into china is total bull, there are brothels all over my neighborhood and I live in one of the best parts of town.
Im running IE 6 and I dont have a problem with it.
They should mirror elgooG...Would make it esier to use.
If enough people were to set up URL redirects to anonymizers which then load search engines, would it obfuscate things enough to get past the censors? Obviously they'd catch on if there were only a few, redirects and anonymizers. In any case, I've set up a demo of what I mean at http://g.mistere.org and http://a.mistere.org in case it's not glaringly obvious what I have in mind.
Wuss this shite about mIRRORz white man ?
Only a real retart would have problems reading Engwish backwords,
I can do it jus fine, thank ya very much.
I would say 1 in 2 people are in the penile system.
No text!
That was a great post, if I had mod points, I would mod it up. One question though: Who exacly was the person that you are talking about from Louisiana? Just curious...
Don't know what happened behide the story.
If you type in, say, 'there' (as opposed to 'ereht'), you still get 1038 sites, and they are all shown the right way round.
What's the point in publishing your site in mirror english?
Is this just evidence of people writing crappy code that reverses all their text whilst trying to do parse it, or is it something more interesting?
All things in moderation; including moderation
What if you want to find information on a racecar???
I belong to the ______ generation.
Some Congresscritter from Missouri got the Fedz to kick in a bunch of money to stamp out Goth culture in Missouri. I forget if the amount was $270K or $2.7M. There's no indication of how much of that went for mirrors and garlic.....
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Perhaps China only blocked the main Google front door, but blocking other things at google.com should be obvious. What we really need are widespread anonymizers, whether they're Peek-a-Booty or Triangle Boy or some Apache plugin.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
What the hell did Cisco do to this guy anyway?
Leonardo da-Vinci wrote his journal right-to-left.
Do you consider him to fall into one of your groups?
That what was all this school was for... to teach us how to solve our own problems. -- janeowit
I'm in Beijing right now, connected through a popular dial up ISP, and I can access slashdot.org just fine.