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Acid2 is a test page, written to help browser vendors ensure proper support for web standards in their products.

Recently, one of the Safari developers announced that Safari (the HTML parsing part of which is Webcore, which is derived from KDE's KHTML component) now passed the Acid 2 test. This led to a lot of comment, on Slashdot and elsewhere, asking when Konqueror (KDE's web browser) would pass Acid 2. This led to a post by a KDE developer saying that Webcore and KHTML had diverged significantly, and this is turn led to a lot of badly informed comment (mostly on Slashdot), slagging of KDE, Apple, or both.

Happily KDE and Apple seem to be working relatively well together, and this current announcement indicates that the KHTML developers have worked through all Apple's Webcore patches related to Acid 2, using the ones they can, and rewriting the ones they can't. Konqueror now becomes the second mainstream browser to pass the Acid 2 test.

"use some fully compliant XSL/XML and tables or divs to create a stack of layers consisting of images that are wrapped in tags."
"vertical-align: bottom;" fixed the test case I came up with. It appears to be related to this "bug":
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5821 (Copy and paste into a new window/tab)
However, I didn't have time to come up with more complex examples.

Mozilla's box model is not perfect, David Hyatt found an interesting case, but IE is far worse:
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/archives/2005 _01.html#007252

If I get the time, I may give this "insane collection of images" issue a go, but some testcases would be really nice.

It figures that Ben Goodger blogs about this very idea the day I post this.

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/008250 .html
http://www.bengoodger.com/software/mb/xtech2005/th umbshist2.png
http://everybreathdeathdefying.com/blog/archives/0 00100.html

Why flash? especially when SVG and Firefox are starting to happen. Browser can do rich graphics without losing rich content. See Picture of browser rotated 30 degress And then there is ben goodgers demo of thumbnail history . See Thumbnail history Plus there's was that article a while back about Oconner commenting on the absent developers. For flash, like advertisement, if we do not notice it, maybe it will go away.

First make sure that you uninstalled Tabbrowser Extensions. If that does not work the a manual clean up of the extension is needed.
http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/doc/installation.html .en#uninstall
or
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Uninstalling_extensions# Uninstalling_manually

I managed to get SessionSaver working by installing the version on this page:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=4718 4

Hope this helps.

Here's the official roadmap of Mozilla apps.

Well it's the blog of the guy that does the roadmap anyway, it'll appear on the official roadmap pages soon.

To find out which extensions work with Deer Park, see this thread http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=2618 38&sid=4891a0206fd86585b9309b74d381035e.

When someone writes some writes some code to implememt an API that Robert O'Callahan wrote for the upcoming release. The API renders web pages to images.

Right now Mozilla/Firefox use a rather crusty history file format, Mork. There are plans to replace this history file with sqlite (Bug 245745, not until Gecko 1.9) which would make an extension writer's job a bit easier.

Speaking of fastback, that is a feature that makes back/forward a lot faster, similar to the performance of Opera.

This feature is switched off by default at the moment until the known regressions are ironed out, but I've enabled it and it works well for me. So if you want to give it a go the instructions are here

In brief:
Type about:config in the URL bar
Right click and select "New > Integer"
Enter pref name (w/o quotes) "browser.sessionhistory.max_viewers" and click ok
Enter a value (number of pages to cache, the post I linked to suggests 5, if you've got a lot of memory maybe try 15 or 20) and click OK
Restart Firefox

Remember if reporting bugs on it please check that they're not already known about, the reason this is not enabled by default yet is there's a lot of regressions already known and they don't want bugzilla filled with dupes.

I think what deserves more attention is the badass development of cairo into Mozilla.

Check out the blog of the main developer thats doing this development. Hes got some excellent demo screenshots.
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/

This entry in Asa Dotzler's blog contains links for downloading this release candidate of Deer Park Alpha 1.1.

The article has links to New Web Developer Features and New Extension Developer Features. There's also a page listing New Browser Features and an unofficial page listing Notable bug fixes.

That's nothing new. Check out Ben Goodger's assessment of NS8: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/008180 .html When something goes wrong, of course the other team is going to crow a little...

"So what did he accomplish?"

Now, I don't want to be too nasty about this, but I have noticed that Asa From the Mozilla Foundation seems to be "preaching to the choir about how Firefox is leading the way and that others are just following, and always implying that you shouldn't accept anything less, and Firefox always leads the way, etc.

I wish some of the Mozilla people would stop trash talking other browsers, and focus on their own browser instead. You can talk about how excellent your product is without putting the rest down.

The Inq article is a bit over the top in one way, but there are some good points, and this kind of attitude is incredibly damaging. I hope various Mozilla representatives will be more careful in the future.

"So what did he accomplish?"

Now, I don't want to be too nasty about this, but I have noticed that Asa From the Mozilla Foundation seems to be "preaching to the choir about how Firefox is leading the way and that others are just following, and always implying that you shouldn't accept anything less, and Firefox always leads the way, etc.

I wish some of the Mozilla people would stop trash talking other browsers, and focus on their own browser instead. You can talk about how excellent your product is without putting the rest down.

The Inq article is a bit over the top in one way, but there are some good points, and this kind of attitude is incredibly damaging. I hope various Mozilla representatives will be more careful in the future.

"So what did he accomplish?"

Now, I don't want to be too nasty about this, but I have noticed that Asa From the Mozilla Foundation seems to be "preaching to the choir about how Firefox is leading the way and that others are just following, and always implying that you shouldn't accept anything less, and Firefox always leads the way, etc.

I wish some of the Mozilla people would stop trash talking other browsers, and focus on their own browser instead. You can talk about how excellent your product is without putting the rest down.

The Inq article is a bit over the top in one way, but there are some good points, and this kind of attitude is incredibly damaging. I hope various Mozilla representatives will be more careful in the future.

"So what did he accomplish?"

Now, I don't want to be too nasty about this, but I have noticed that Asa From the Mozilla Foundation seems to be "preaching to the choir about how Firefox is leading the way and that others are just following, and always implying that you shouldn't accept anything less, and Firefox always leads the way, etc.

I wish some of the Mozilla people would stop trash talking other browsers, and focus on their own browser instead. You can talk about how excellent your product is without putting the rest down.

The Inq article is a bit over the top in one way, but there are some good points, and this kind of attitude is incredibly damaging. I hope various Mozilla representatives will be more careful in the future.

From his blog:
If security is important to you, this demonstration should show that browsers that are redistributions of the official Mozilla releases are never going to give you security updates as quickly as Mozilla will itself for its supported products.

The above statement is: True.

From the 10 immutable laws of security:
Law #3: If a bad guy has unrestricted physical access to your computer, it's not your computer anymore.

The above statement is: True.

Either of these could be viewed as FUD, because it requires the reader have a level of paranoia or fear. It is whether or not someone chooses to believe them that makes the FUD different.

IMHO, this shouldn't even be newsworthy enough for Slashdot to cover. As stated by others, this guy isn't even part of the Mozilla Foundation and this is more an attack on one person's comments than the foundation as a whole.

They make a very good point, Firefox contains the latest code and the latest security updates. AOL and Netscape can use their code, but ultimately, if a user's top priority is security, they should probably be using the browser first to be updated.

The only reason why someone should use Netscape or the AOL browser is if they *have* to, or if those browsers offer some feature that Firefox doesn't currently have.

There's a lot of FUD slung from both commercial and open source developers, I don't see why this term has become *the* definition of "evil" on /. For example, let me ask you this: Are global warming activists spreading FUD? The history of some would seem to indicate so. Does it make it any less of an argument for them to make it?

MoFo has become the defacto abbreviation for the Mozilla Foundation.

The first time I seen it used was in a blog post that was critical of the running of the Foundation (non 404'd), but it was linked to in Asa's blog and the name just stuck.

• http://press.nokia.com/PR/199908/776321_5.html
• http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7 86
• http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/newss/977/1 /screenshot698/

• http://press.nokia.com/PR/200009/790116_5.html
• http://slashdot.org/articles/01/01/18/0327252.shtm l
• http://slashdot.org/articles/01/05/16/1330236.shtm l

This was taken out of context.

Ben was likely annoyed about Netscape.com's alert about Firefox 1.0.4 being out of date. The alert told users to install 8.0 which was based on Firefox 1.0.3 which had securtiy issues.

Netcape.com has resolved the issue of telling Firefox users to update their browser.

Asa's post about the alert with screen shot.
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/008178 .html

... was hardly wrong. Here it is, verbatim from his blog:

If security is important to you, this demonstration should show that browsers that are redistributions of the official Mozilla releases are never going to give you security updates as quickly as Mozilla will itself for its supported products.

Now, if it is true that Netscape is a "redistribution" of Firefox (Netscape says it is), its only fair to comment that if FF is updated, it will be some time before Netscape is. I wouldn't call it Microsoft-style bashing.

ZDNet Australia has a scathing report on problems with Netscape's original 8.0 release, which shipped with known critical security bugs. ZDNet notes that several key Mozilla devs have lashed out at Netscape, including Firefox lead developer Ben Goodger, who posted a live exploit of the known vulnerability. Gervase Markham, another Mozilla employee found Netscape's claim that Firefox 1.0.4 is "outdated" ridiculous. Ali Ebrahim, another contributor commented that Netscape's claim of "more security choices" is based on a false premise. To their credit, Netscape has since released Netscape 8.0.1, based on Firefox 1.0.4 which plugs the most severe known issues, though the question still remains as to why they released 8.0 in the first place if it contained such severe security issues.

ZDNet Australia has a scathing report on problems with Netscape's original 8.0 release, which shipped with known critical security bugs. ZDNet notes that several key Mozilla devs have lashed out at Netscape, including Firefox lead developer Ben Goodger, who posted a live exploit of the known vulnerability. Gervase Markham, another Mozilla employee found Netscape's claim that Firefox 1.0.4 is "outdated" ridiculous. Ali Ebrahim, another contributor commented that Netscape's claim of "more security choices" is based on a false premise. To their credit, Netscape has since released Netscape 8.0.1, based on Firefox 1.0.4 which plugs the most severe known issues, though the question still remains as to why they released 8.0 in the first place if it contained such severe security issues.

ZDNet Australia has a scathing report on problems with Netscape's original 8.0 release, which shipped with known critical security bugs. ZDNet notes that several key Mozilla devs have lashed out at Netscape, including Firefox lead developer Ben Goodger, who posted a live exploit of the known vulnerability. Gervase Markham, another Mozilla employee found Netscape's claim that Firefox 1.0.4 is "outdated" ridiculous. Ali Ebrahim, another contributor commented that Netscape's claim of "more security choices" is based on a false premise. To their credit, Netscape has since released Netscape 8.0.1, based on Firefox 1.0.4 which plugs the most severe known issues, though the question still remains as to why they released 8.0 in the first place if it contained such severe security issues.

ZDNet Australia has a scathing report on problems with Netscape's original 8.0 release, which shipped with known critical security bugs. ZDNet notes that several key Mozilla devs have lashed out at Netscape, including Firefox lead developer Ben Goodger, who posted a live exploit of the known vulnerability. Gervase Markham, another Mozilla employee found Netscape's claim that Firefox 1.0.4 is "outdated" ridiculous. Ali Ebrahim, another contributor commented that Netscape's claim of "more security choices" is based on a false premise. To their credit, Netscape has since released Netscape 8.0.1, based on Firefox 1.0.4 which plugs the most severe known issues, though the question still remains as to why they released 8.0 in the first place if it contained such severe security issues.

First look: Tour of the UI
Blake Ross on closing windows and accessability issues

According to Ben Goodger, Netscape 8 exhibits the Cross Site Scripting flaw that was fixed for Firefox 1.0.4.

As I mentioned for the parent that I replyed to, see this kb article. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Emacs_Keybindings_(Firef ox)

check this page out

After applying it's really fast=]

Unix style copy paste options too. I normaly have heard them refered to as Emacs style shortcuts.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Emacs_Keybindings_(Firef ox)

As I mentioned, you need a silent install. For F., there's different ways to do that:

1. Use FrontMotion's MSI for Firefox
2. Follow the instructions and created your own MSI using MakeMSI (which is free as in beer, not speech)
3. Follow the instructions on Unattended's wiki and roll a silent install from the .exe

I would sugesst using this then:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=1380 33

Its a MSI package for firefox and is able to do silent installs and upgrades (you can even deploy it via AD).

... at least, according to some articles they do. See my post on Mozillazine:
http://mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=6602# 10

It would be very helpful if they would release them, even in some incomplete, unsupported state.

MozillaZine is running a story, too, and it's probably a little more truthful...

ZDNet Tries to Get to the Bottom of the Oracle-Mozilla Relationship

Hyper Threading Causes me problems anyway.

if there was ever a justification for speaking only about what one has knowledge of, this blog entry of yours is it, Ben. seriously, this is sad.

had you actually read the original content you would likely have realized that Zack wasn't begrudging Apple's not cooperating better or somehow implying license non-compliance. no, instead he was annoyed by how a lot of people keep claiming that Apple is working in tight cooperation with KDE when they really aren't, and how a lot of people (many of them KDE users) keep asking him constantly when patch #XYZ from Safari was going to be merged in to KHTML.

the code quality comments, etc, were part of his explanation about why it wasn't happening how everyone, including the developers, had hoped it would. yes, there was more to his communique than the sensational snippets the press picked up.

but instead of being informed and perhaps supportive, you got duped by the press and now the press is completing the life cycle by feeding on your comments: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733 ,39191656,00.htm

nothing like supporting the open source community by spreading ignorance and divisiveness, huh? way to go Ben. >:-(

Safari only passed the Acid 2 Test because the developer David Hyatt spent time over two weeks to make it pass.

I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, in fact it's an excellent thing. But the fact is Safari, Mozilla and MSIE all failed the Acid 2 test when it was released. Using MSIE I see red. lol.

Now Safari passes. And no doubt each would fail several more tough tests. No one test can prove a superior rendering engine, unless it was 10 MB big and tested every [X]HTML/CSS1,2,3/JavaScript specification in various scenarios.

I'm looking foward to getting a Mac Mini and seing how good Safari is. It will also allow me to develop web pages against Safari for the first time.

Safari only passed the Acid 2 Test because the developer David Hyatt spent time over two weeks to make it pass.

I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, in fact it's an excellent thing. But the fact is Safari, Mozilla and MSIE all failed the Acid 2 test when it was released. Using MSIE I see red. lol.

Now Safari passes. And no doubt each would fail several more tough tests. No one test can prove a superior rendering engine, unless it was 10 MB big and tested every [X]HTML/CSS1,2,3/JavaScript specification in various scenarios.

I'm looking foward to getting a Mac Mini and seing how good Safari is. It will also allow me to develop web pages against Safari for the first time.

Safari does stick to the specs. You should take a look at David Hyatt's weblog sometime to see his rigorous devotion to standards. You didn't forget that the KHTML team's fit was triggered by Safari being the first browser to pass the Acid 2 test, did you?

UPDATE: Good thing I hit the preview button. It's a ZDNet site or something like that. http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/This is a link to Bens blog.

Bah.

R.

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/ Who knows why the poster linked to a ZDNet article (Which incidentally can't handle a slashdotting) instead of the original blog.

Apple is NOT stealing KHTML. They are strictly following the license (GPL). They're releasing their changes as source code. The KHTML developers want them to use the CVS trunk, but from Apple's point of view, this would put Webcore under KDE's control; so they are maintaining their own base and releasing the changes. What do you think this is? Let's remember, too, that KDE hasn't always been ideologically pure (or do you forget why Gnome was created?).

Or it could mean that firefox's growth just isn't exponential, 'cause that would be pretty hard to keep up for very long...

...has some more discussion:

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/archives/2005 _04.html#008054

p.s. The KHTML team will need to be conversant with OSX to the point that they can remove GUI calls to it and replace them with QT. If this is a current problem, then some books might be in order.

From what I've read, Apple uses a port of Qt, which they call "KWQ"
You can read about it here:
Safari and KHTML

I guess my info was a bit incorrect. The correct info about the css modifications are here
--jeff++

Firefox developer ben goodger has a nice view upon this subject. Check it out

MozillaZine has a complete mirror of the Funnyfox website, including the videos.

MozillaZine has a complete mirror of the Funnyfox website, including the videos.