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I assume you're talking about Xen here?
Haha, no, he's not.

Sorry if I sound rude, or arrogant/sarcastic.
You just sound clueless.

PS. As for Xen and BSD, check http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/xen/

As far as I can see, someone suggested a VAX port of debian, but there is no actual port, supported or otherwise. see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0201/msg01512 .html You can however use NetBSD on a VAX, apparently. http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/vax/

http://www.netbsd.org/

Linux kernel is one of the worst examples of open source code. NetBSD is one of the best. Enjoy.

DragonFly BSD is turning out some really great progress too, but there's still a lot of FreeBSDism left.

NetBSD runs on more than 50 hardware platforms, all compiled from a single source tree, and I think many of them can be considered "old": Commodore Amiga, Atari ST/TT, VAX, Sun SPARCs, and many other MIPS, ARM and PowerPC based machines (besides the not-so-old i386 and AMD64/Opteron PCs, UltraSPARC etc.).Check it out!

Sally has no choice but to pay for another copy of Windows,

• freebsd
• openbsd
• netbsd
• gnu-darwin
• ReactOS
• SuSe
• Fedora
• Debian
• Gentoo

-- Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 8.2).

In general, I can only recommend NetBSD, as it not only comes as a rock solid operating system in itself, but as it supports many different platforms and crosscompiling of kernel, userland and (if needed) X11, so migrating to a different hardware platform is not a problem or a showstopper long-term.

Check it out!

- Hubert

It is official -- Netcraft confirms: FSF is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered FSF community when IDC confirmed that the FSF's mindshare has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all computer users. Coming on the heels of a recent announcement from Linus Torvalds, which plainly states that the Linux kernel will NOT be moving to GPLv3, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. The FSF is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by founder Richard Stallman's hairstyle and rambling GNU/Everything Communist anti-developers'-rights "I'm-right-and-you're-stupid" commentary.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict the FSF's future. The hand writing is on the wall: the FSF faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for the FSF because the FSF is dying. Things are looking very bad for the FSF. As many of us are already aware, the FSF continues to lose mindshare. In a recent poll on Slashdot, 97% of computer users preferred Microsoft to the FSF in terms of both ideals and the quality of their flagship products.

The GNU operating system is the most endangered of all the FSF's projects, having lost 93% of its core developers. Unable to convince users to use GNU's own "Hurd" kernel, the FSF has made several desperate attempts to capture mindshare by riding Linux's coattails. The aforementioned sudden (although not unexpected) denouncement of the GPLv3 by Linus Torvalds only serves to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt, the FSF is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

FSF founder RMS states that there are almost 7000 remaining GNU users. How many of those use Emacs? Let's see. Consider the bell-shaped curve of an IQ distribution graph. At best, Emacs users universally score two standard deviations below the mean, which means that they make up approximately 2% of any given sample. Therefore, there are 140 Emacs users left in the world. A recent article showed that GCC usage is declining among truly free operating systems in favor of ICC or even SDCC. There's GNU and Emacs, what else does the FSF produce aside from hot air?

Due to the troubles of the GNU operating system, abysmal adoption rates and so on, the GNU folks gave up on improving their code and instead began to concentrate on marketing their beta-quality OS. Theirs is just another unfinished open source project with a poorly designed interface and a lot of ideological baggage. It's no wonder that more and more businesses are turning to Microsoft.

All major surveys show that the FSF has steadily declined in mindshare. The FSF is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If the FSF is to survive at all it will be among juvenile political dilettante dabblers. The FSF continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. People just don't want to hear their message anymore. For all practical purposes, the FSF is dead.

Fact: The FSF is dying

I had problems with an iPod mini over USB - it seems that the iPod doesn't perform a connection handshake properly, leaving the host waiting for a response that never comes. This has been worked around, and NetBSD 3.0 works perfectly with my iPod mini (all praise to gtkpod). It certainly sounds like you hit the same issue, so I'd suggest giving NetBSD another try. As for live CD's, if you can't find a recent one on the mailing lists, then you could try making one with mklivecd.

Well, there is http://www.netbsd.org/Foundation/reports/financial /2004.html if you want a comparison - I dont know when the end of the financial year is in Delaware (where the NetBSD Foundation is based) but I guess you would have to wait until after then at least.

It was great of them to show where the money went. I would also like to see some sort of statement to see how their finances are. It could actually increase donations if folks were able to see how much a shoe-string operation they are.

the netbsd status report for q3/q4 2005 is also available.

and NetBSD

[...]However several people have brickified their iMacs when playing with EFI.

Aha, but don't worry, just ask these nice people to add bricks to their existing set of architectures ;-)

[...]However several people have brickified their iMacs when playing with EFI.

Aha, but don't worry, just ask these nice people to add bricks to their existing set of architectures ;-)

Yeah, BSD licenses sure have killed a lot of projects.
That's just five minutes of searching for BSD licensed projects, I didn't look for MIT licensed projects.

So they use NetBSD on the servers, and Linux on the dumb terminals :) NetBSD just more stable and not a big hype.
http://www.netbsd.org/Misc/features.html#stability
http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/research.html#sams-i i

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Burn karma, burn!

So they use NetBSD on the servers, and Linux on the dumb terminals :) NetBSD just more stable and not a big hype.
http://www.netbsd.org/Misc/features.html#stability
http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/research.html#sams-i i

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Burn karma, burn!

Now that is a tag line!
http://www.netbsd.org/

here here here here and here

Care to try out version 3.0? The netbooting issue was solved, perhaps as long ago as versions 2.0.1. Version 1.6 shipped with a broken boot.mop, but worked find if you booted the install from a CD or used the boot.mop from 1.5. As for NetBSD/VAX being "unrunnable" once installed, that's just bullshit, or else I must be imagining the VS4000 VLC and VS3100 m30 humming away next to me.

NetBSD supports more models of VAX than OpenBSD - try comparing the lists on http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/vax/ and http://www.openbsd.org/vax.html. NetBSD also supports more devices, such as framebuffers and SCSI controllers.

NetBSD claims to be extremely portable - portability is the main stated goal.

Well, one of the goals, third down on the official list.

f it only runs well on x86, NetBSD becomes basically irrelevant - FreeBSD is far better on x86, and OpenBSD (whose goal is security and implenetation and correctness) is more portable (OpenBSD runs fine on VAX). Essentially, if NetBSD doesn't actually talk the talk they have about portability, all they are is an inadequate OpenBSD that is less secure and less portable - and it has no advantages.

Since FreeBSD 5 and NetBSD 2, performance on x86 has been very close and often better on NetBSD. Check out the benchmarks and studies posted on the advocacy mailing lists. FreeBSD is suffering portability issues thanks to the original focus on x86 alone. OpenBSD only works on a reasonable number of platforms because it absorbs a lot of work from NetBSD, the VAX port is a good example, where NetBSD supports more models of the VAX. NetBSD is arguably as secure as OpenBSD, but has far more features and performs much, much better.

One of the more proactive NetBSD/VAX users complained recently about the native build problems and a personal fear of "featureitis". It looks like some Slashdot cretin has picked up on that and decided to try and piss on the NetBSD 3.0 announcement with what is largely a non-issue.

I've never seen netbsd in the wild...

Then you really should get out more. No offence.
Chances are you might run into (not literally, I hope) a laser printer, a robot, or a webcam running NetBSD.

If only hardware vendors like BroadCom would realize there are more kinds of animals in the world than just penguins, I'd love to get NetBSD running on my Asus wireless router someday...

Then why do they advertise it as stable?

The problem sounds vaguely familiar - often I want to try new things (programming languages, tools, ...), but lack the right project to start going.

Maybe have a look at some open source projects (http://www.freshmeat.net/ http://www.advogato.org/ etc. have some lists), look at the code and read it, read the mailing lists to get into the development process, start making changes for things, try getting review of them, submit code and maybe also documentation (actually, documenting things that you find undocumented and that you understand may be a good first step before going to coding), etc.

For some ideas from an operating systems project, see:

http://www.netbsd.org/contrib/projects.html
http://www.netbsd.org/Gnats/

  - Hubert

The problem sounds vaguely familiar - often I want to try new things (programming languages, tools, ...), but lack the right project to start going.

Maybe have a look at some open source projects (http://www.freshmeat.net/ http://www.advogato.org/ etc. have some lists), look at the code and read it, read the mailing lists to get into the development process, start making changes for things, try getting review of them, submit code and maybe also documentation (actually, documenting things that you find undocumented and that you understand may be a good first step before going to coding), etc.

For some ideas from an operating systems project, see:

http://www.netbsd.org/contrib/projects.html
http://www.netbsd.org/Gnats/

  - Hubert

Would really love to see NetBSD, Linux with GPE/Opie on my Tungsten T3 :)

instruct.

NetBSD for Dreamcast is still around. Someone was able to get 3.0 BETA to boot. The only problem is that the ethernet adaptor (aka "broad-band adaptor") costs more than the game machine itself and can only be easily found on ebay.

The CSO 2000 Winter Games ran from January 25th to January 29th, 2000 in Ottawa, Ontario. '' [source]

NetBSD is a free, secure, and highly portable Unix-like Open Source operating system available for many platforms, from 64-bit Opteron machines and desktop systems to handheld and embedded devices. Its clean design and advanced features make it excellent in both production and research environments, and it is user-supported with complete source. Many applications are easily available through The NetBSD Packages Collection.

Learn more at www.NetBSD.org.

The CSO 2000 Winter Games ran from January 25th to January 29th, 2000 in Ottawa, Ontario. '' [source]

NetBSD is a free, secure, and highly portable Unix-like Open Source operating system available for many platforms, from 64-bit Opteron machines and desktop systems to handheld and embedded devices. Its clean design and advanced features make it excellent in both production and research environments, and it is user-supported with complete source. Many applications are easily available through The NetBSD Packages Collection.

Learn more at www.NetBSD.org.

If memory serves, most of these home routers are running on MIPS based hardware. There is no port of OpenBSD to the sbmips platform (yes there is an SGI MIPS port but I doubt it is similar enough for an easy transition). I believe NetBSD has been ported to this platform but I am unsure of whether the supported chipset is the same as that in a home router. There's also the possiblity that there won't be wifi card or ethernet drivers on NetBSD so you would have to reverse engineer those... Personally I'd just stick with Linux but porting a *BSD for full support would be an interesting exercise.

As another poster said, if you want to run OpenBSD on embedded hardware you are better off going for the soekris stuff but you'll pay a LOT more (prices for just the board without case, wifi card or power cable start at $128) than for the shelf consumer stuff (Amazon has a WRT54 for $54.99).

Well, n being variable of course.

An optimal RAID-5 set consists of 3 disks, 5 disks or 9 disks and so on. This is to keep the block size of a stripe (excluding parity) at 2^n so that common filesystems map 1:1 onto it.

To quote Greg Oster, the developer of RAIDframe, a software RAID implementation on NetBSD:

http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2002/04 /19/0011.html

"The 'problem' with 4 disks is that you have (effectively) 3 data disks.
Since most times you're doing a 'power-of-two' write (e.g. 16K or 32K),
it's impossible to divide that power-of-two data by 3 and have a nice
full-stripe write. That leaves you with doing partial writes all the
time, and those are the ones that kill RAID 5 write performance."

From that I figured the 2^n+1 rule.

Actually, yes.

NetBSD
Linux

Or, you could use rpm2cpio, which doesn't require rpm.

"Don't even try to compare that trashy xbox hardware to the linux OS."

No need to. Linux (mmm spaghetti code) is, indeed, a piece of shit/trash/etc.

Anyways, I have a present for you. A link to a real operating system just for you!

This story made me laugh out lound...even Microsoft's game console has a BSD!

Umm, you mean a BSOD? I mean, I'm sure given time the Xbox 360 will have a BSD but I doubt today ...

Why do embedded developers continue to imprison themselves in the GPL trap by using Linux, when there are better available alternatives that provide more freedom for developers?

Why not just use 2 different algorithms? Yes, it's possible. Or hell, use 3. Can some one tell me why not this isn't a standard practice? Even if one has a weakness, you still have the other to back it up

=> Checksum SHA1 OK for unzip-5.52/unzip552.tar.gz.
=> Checksum RMD160 OK for unzip-5.52/unzip552.tar.gz.
===> Extracting for unzip-5.52nb2

One might also imagine that colliding two different hash types at the same time would be much more difficult than only at a time, anyway.

You could try NetBSD instead: http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/sparc64/. I'd recommend NetBSD 3.0, which has just gone from a beta to a release candidate, and includes support for all of the graphics cards found in Ultra workstations. A prebuilt release candidate can be found on the FTP mirrors under /pub/NetBSD-daily/

I see, netbsd.org hasn't gotten around to updating its vax install page, just page dated 1999 about tape booting (with promise new page is coming Real Soon Now) A little more digging and there's this page for either diskless or diskful vaxstation netboot: http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/network/netboo t/intro.vax.html

Click Here for a list of all 5631 packages in the package collection. Or here for the packages indexed by category. The NetBSD website is really well organised, the documentation is top notch. If only more Linux distibutions were like this. I use a mixture of Slackware and NetBSD here, and am very happy. I have windows on a hard disk in a static bag in a cardboard box which I use to change toners in my printer.

Seriously, the package system for NetBSD is one of the best I've used, which is a fair compliment from a long time Slackware user. Even thinking of using pkgsrc under Slackware, as the instructions to do so are listed on netbsd.org. NetBSD is fast, stable, secure, with low overheads and I would reccomend it to anyone who already has a clue. I first ran it on my old Amiga, which I intend to do again some day for the geek points.

Click Here for a list of all 5631 packages in the package collection. Or here for the packages indexed by category. The NetBSD website is really well organised, the documentation is top notch. If only more Linux distibutions were like this. I use a mixture of Slackware and NetBSD here, and am very happy. I have windows on a hard disk in a static bag in a cardboard box which I use to change toners in my printer.

Seriously, the package system for NetBSD is one of the best I've used, which is a fair compliment from a long time Slackware user. Even thinking of using pkgsrc under Slackware, as the instructions to do so are listed on netbsd.org. NetBSD is fast, stable, secure, with low overheads and I would reccomend it to anyone who already has a clue. I first ran it on my old Amiga, which I intend to do again some day for the geek points.

Click Here for a list of all 5631 packages in the package collection. Or here for the packages indexed by category. The NetBSD website is really well organised, the documentation is top notch. If only more Linux distibutions were like this. I use a mixture of Slackware and NetBSD here, and am very happy. I have windows on a hard disk in a static bag in a cardboard box which I use to change toners in my printer.

Seriously, the package system for NetBSD is one of the best I've used, which is a fair compliment from a long time Slackware user. Even thinking of using pkgsrc under Slackware, as the instructions to do so are listed on netbsd.org. NetBSD is fast, stable, secure, with low overheads and I would reccomend it to anyone who already has a clue. I first ran it on my old Amiga, which I intend to do again some day for the geek points.

Yes, the link is on www.netbsd.org to http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/playstation2/, as already posted. Or were you trying to be funny? Theres a reason I set Slashdot to mod AC's down. The list of ports is on the main page for smegs sake.

... facts are facts. ;)

FreeBSD:
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

NetBSD:
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep 2004)

OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)

*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)

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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

It looks like they're still using XFree86. Are they planning to change?

> "Better TCP/IP stack" until Linux soundly beat all other comers in all the tcp land speed records.

Weird, NetBSD holds the land speed records :D
http://www.netbsd.org/Changes/#internet2-landspeed 2

> Then "more scalable"? Ditto
I agree that's linux' forte right now. SMP support in *BSDs is no way as mature as linux'

> "More portable"? Oh wait...
NetBSD is indeed more portable than linux. Sure, linux claims to support more architectures, but the vanilla kernels often fail to compile on non-i386 machines (PPC wasn't compilable by default until like 2 years ago), and hmm.. getting the machine to work only up to single user mode is not what I would quality as running linux.. NetBSD on the other hand fully supports all the architectures it claims to support.

> "More secure"
Other than known flaws in server software, that depends on the qualifications of the system administrator more than anything.

> "cleaner" - ha! this was coming from people who didn't even know how to code
o_O okays...

> "better engineered" - coming from non engineers
I'm sure you're really qualified as well :p

> "lean and mean"
They are.

Stop being such a fanboy, who seems to be using linux because EVERYTHING ELSE sucks, and not because linux is good.

Several people have reported instability in 2.0.x on mac68k, growing worse with uptime. But not everyone - some say it's stable as a rock. I was really looking forward to 2.0, with the native threading, but this has made me hold on to 1.6.2 for my more recent installs. I'm hoping 2.1 has fixed whatever the problem was.

Two things I love about NetBSD: pkgsrc, and the ease of upgrades. Pkgsrc is the best package manager I've ever worked with. And the "unpack the tarballs and reboot" upgrades don't get any easier.

Kudos to the NetBSD team!

http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/playstation2/

who loves BSD! I still do!

in other news pkgsrc on SFU updated, the new pf from obsd/3.8 is getting ported, there is also a kernel emulator for fbsd/5+ and a smbus implementation. matlab works too and some people might be interested in a list of translations for the `of course it runs netbsd' motto.

what else can be said, its great that *the* bsd is still alive

who loves BSD! I still do!

in other news pkgsrc on SFU updated, the new pf from obsd/3.8 is getting ported, there is also a kernel emulator for fbsd/5+ and a smbus implementation. matlab works too and some people might be interested in a list of translations for the `of course it runs netbsd' motto.

what else can be said, its great that *the* bsd is still alive