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Reality check// Please *don't* mod this up. It has already been done! Thx
... facts are facts.
;)FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."NetBSD:
NetBSD, for When Portability and Stability Matter (Oct 2004)
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (Sep 2004)OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard.*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
BSD Success Stories (O'Reilly, 2004) (pdf) ~ from Onlamp BSD DevCenter
"The BSDs - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and others - have earned a reputation for stability, security, performance, and ease of administration." ..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'. -
Re:Netcraft
actually, slashdot has a rank of 35
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Re:Netcraft
Actually, slashdot is at number 35.
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Re:Why haven't I heard of the 5th most popular sit
I was shocked to know that there was a domain out there that I have never visited yet it's the fifth most popular out there.
Maybe you haven't heard about this "5th most popular internet domain in the US" because it's not actually in 5th place (no surprise there!).
Netcraft rates www.myspace.com at 76th worldwide:
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=www.my space.com
below more popular sites like Google, Yahoo, Amazon, eBay, PayPal, CNN, MSN, /. (at #35), IMDB, DSL Reports, Comcast, Fox News, NY Times, etc. Here's a list of the Netcraft top 100:
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/stats/topsites?s=DA280 D988226E9C01B1D0E6F2491#76
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Re:Why haven't I heard of the 5th most popular sit
I was shocked to know that there was a domain out there that I have never visited yet it's the fifth most popular out there.
Maybe you haven't heard about this "5th most popular internet domain in the US" because it's not actually in 5th place (no surprise there!).
Netcraft rates www.myspace.com at 76th worldwide:
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=www.my space.com
below more popular sites like Google, Yahoo, Amazon, eBay, PayPal, CNN, MSN, /. (at #35), IMDB, DSL Reports, Comcast, Fox News, NY Times, etc. Here's a list of the Netcraft top 100:
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/stats/topsites?s=DA280 D988226E9C01B1D0E6F2491#76
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Re:Hey! - Netscraft says:
that's down from 19 sites a year ago, so the numbers are in and Netcraft has confirmed, OS/2 is dying proof here I'm sad, I did Pascal and Foxpro development on OS/2 for construction estimating and scheduling.
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Re:Hey! - Netscraft says:
as of last year, it was pretty dead as far as internet site serving, stats here . 10 whole sites!
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Requiem for the FUD// Please *don't* mod this up. It has already been done! Thx
... facts are facts.
;)FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."NetBSD:
NetBSD, for When Portability and Stability Matter (Oct 2004)
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (Sep 2004)OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard.*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
BSD Success Stories (O'Reilly, 2004) (pdf) ~ from Onlamp BSD DevCenter
"The BSDs - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and others - have earned a reputation for stability, security, performance, and ease of administration." ..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'. -
Requiem for the FUD// Please *don't* mod this up. It has already been done! Thx
... facts are facts.
;)FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."NetBSD:
NetBSD, for When Portability and Stability Matter (Oct 2004)
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (Sep 2004)OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard.*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
BSD Success Stories (O'Reilly, 2004) (pdf) ~ from Onlamp BSD DevCenter
"The BSDs - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and others - have earned a reputation for stability, security, performance, and ease of administration." ..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'. -
What Does
What does netcraft say?
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Re:Slashdotted Already
Funny that:
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /www.flexbeta.net
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Re:Why will I want to upgrade?
I use XP at work, my box is up for about 20 days now
These guys have been up since before XP was released. I'll bet there are lots of non-public facing boxes which have been up even longer. -
Re:Other toolbars?
NetCraft (http://toolbar.netcraft.com/) is pretty useful. You can get an instant site report for any page you visit, as well as information on the geographic location, IP block owner and phishing risk rating. Before you laugh about the phishing risk rating, one of my co-workers, who used to work for an ISP and thinks he's l33t, got saved by it once.
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Re:I couldn't click on the blue e even if I tried.
Heh. I had a box recently where I had to update a configuration file, and when I did a PS to get the PID to send a HUP, I noticed it was sitting at simething like 10,000 minutes of CPU time. Which woried me at first, until I noticed that the process had been running since Aug03. OK, that's more reasonable.
I haven't managed to have a box stay up as long as some of the ones at the top of the Netcraft runtime ratings. Even with UPSes, you get occasional long power outages. But really, "I'll finally have a reason to reboot the OS after 3 years" is a better taunt. :) -
Re:Ironic
...the market share was 45% Linux, 45% Mac, 10% Windows, the Windows users would be the "cool" hacker group making fun of those linux/Max "newbies" who have to deal will so many viruses/adware/security violations every day.Just like those uber-cool IIS operators make fun of those daft Apache admins, having to put up with all the attacks on the Web's Most Popular Web-Server?
Disclaimer: I *use* Windows. I also use Solaris, Linux and BSD. They're all good - and bad - in certain areas. Unfortunately Windows' area of "badness" is security.
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Re:That took a while, eh?
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Re:Too late
Karl, is that you.
But how long? Just as long as it takes for the thefts to occur.
For the http/20% space, please see netcraft.com.
For the nearly 100% of all CC theft, just netcraft all the ones that you know of. How about T-Mobile?
Not to your liking? Well, lets try, the recent 40 Millions CC recently stolen
Or how about the small 8 millions cards that was done in 2003?
Well, we could go on, but these are nice visible ones.
BTW, do you have any links where CCs were stolen and were NOT Windows/IIS? The last one that I saw was Playboy around 2000 (unpatched solaris). -
Re:Too late
Karl, is that you.
But how long? Just as long as it takes for the thefts to occur.
For the http/20% space, please see netcraft.com.
For the nearly 100% of all CC theft, just netcraft all the ones that you know of. How about T-Mobile?
Not to your liking? Well, lets try, the recent 40 Millions CC recently stolen
Or how about the small 8 millions cards that was done in 2003?
Well, we could go on, but these are nice visible ones.
BTW, do you have any links where CCs were stolen and were NOT Windows/IIS? The last one that I saw was Playboy around 2000 (unpatched solaris). -
Re:Too late
Karl, is that you.
But how long? Just as long as it takes for the thefts to occur.
For the http/20% space, please see netcraft.com.
For the nearly 100% of all CC theft, just netcraft all the ones that you know of. How about T-Mobile?
Not to your liking? Well, lets try, the recent 40 Millions CC recently stolen
Or how about the small 8 millions cards that was done in 2003?
Well, we could go on, but these are nice visible ones.
BTW, do you have any links where CCs were stolen and were NOT Windows/IIS? The last one that I saw was Playboy around 2000 (unpatched solaris). -
Re:soon...
I for one can't wait until OSS solutions provide the most popular webserver or run on the fastest computer.
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Reality check// Please *don't* mod this up. It has already been done! Thx
... facts are facts.
;)FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."NetBSD:
NetBSD, for When Portability and Stability Matter (Oct 2004)
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (Sep 2004)OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard.*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
BSD Success Stories (O'Reilly, 2004) (pdf) ~ from Onlamp BSD DevCenter
"The BSDs - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and others - have earned a reputation for stability, security, performance, and ease of administration." ..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'. -
Re:Conflicting statistics
The two survey different sets of sites, so it's not unexpected to see some differences between the two. It's just "noise"
.. on the whole they should reveal the same trends. Both reveal a strong and continuing long-term growth of Apache, and both reveal that IIS's share of the market has been more or less stagnant for some years now - seemingly stuck at around 25%, with a few ups and downs here and there, but not going anywhere - in fact declining very slightly.Because the total number of servers is growing so quickly, IIS can still present the stats in a way that appears to show strong growth, because 25% of a rapidly increasing number is also a rapidly increasing number. It's just that that 25% figure is not really getting higher.
I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't seem that worried about their stagnation in the web server market (in % share not absolute sales numbers). I guess IIS just doesn't offer enough additional 'marginal utility' over Apache to justify the extra cost. However it's interesting to think that Microsoft would most probably gain a huge additional percentage of market share if they dropped their server prices, by, say, 50% - they'd still be making profit just off the existing sales, and they'd be making even more because of the greater economies of scale from simply selling more. And a higher percentage market share is strategically important - so why don't they?
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Re:unthinkable?
The standard for Internet based systems that need long uptime and robustness is GNU/Linux.
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Re:He's right, of course
Apache doesn't use the GPL and last time I checked IIS was losing group to Apache.
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Huh?
> For all those g00bers who think it is dead,
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I have to ask. *Who* thinks that?
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
> why dont you work on the security holes in Linux before Linux gets in real 'patch hell' trouble.
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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'. -
Requiem for the FUD// Please *don't* mod this up. It has already been done! Thx
... facts are facts.
;)FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."NetBSD:
NetBSD, for When Portability and Stability Matter (Oct 2004)
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (Sep 2004)OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard.*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
BSD Success Stories (O'Reilly, 2004) (pdf) ~ from Onlamp BSD DevCenter
"The BSDs - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and others - have earned a reputation for stability, security, performance, and ease of administration." ..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'. -
Re:If you are reading this Linus...
Web-based apps are big, but not for Microsoft. Microsoft has what, about 20% market share for web servers? There is just no way they can compete in this space when everyone else can use Linux/Apache, which is a lot cheaper than Windows/IIS.
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Re:LOL
Wikipedia has NOWHERE NEAR the readership the Times does
Are you sure about that? Alexa's ranking puts Wikipedia at number 41, while latimes.com isn't even in the top 100. Netcraft somewhat confirms it, giving en.wikipedia.org a site rank of 122 and 894 to www.latimes.com. Wikipedia's probably more popular than you think. -
windows
Windows seems to be responsible for that 40 million credit card breach:
posted originally at groklaw:
All of the marketing hype in the world cannot make Micro$oft a better system
http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&boa rd=1600684464&tid=cald
&sid=1600684464&mid=274625
A Tucson Arizona credit card processor has been implicated in a security breach
which resulted in fraudlent charges and the exposure of 40 MM accounts.
CardSystems Solutions has helpfully posted a Computer Operator job listing. This
makes it clear that the system breached was running M$ OS.
www.cardsystems.com/careers/ComputerOperator_ 0410. pdf
A seperate database developer job posting has a VBScript experience requirement,
leading to the presumption that VBScripts were at the heart of the card
processors data management.
A quality assurance job posting required experience in Windows NT and Windows
2000. Using these obsolete systems was part of the innovative "security
through obscurity" policy of the part of the card processors.
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/netblock?q=UU-63-83-95 ,63.83.95.0,63.83.95.255
3330975
www.cardsystems.com
CardSystems Solutions, Inc., 6390 East Broadway, Tucson, 85710, United
States April 1997
Microsoft-IIS/5.0 Windows 2000
Mastercard is running Apache on Solaris
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /mastercard.com
Mastercard International
2200 MasterCard Blvd OFallon MO US 63366
Solaris 8 Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7
mod_perl/1.27 29-Jul-2003
Was Mastercard to blame running a decent OS
Or was CardSystems to blame for running Micro$oft crapware. -
windows
Windows seems to be responsible for that 40 million credit card breach:
posted originally at groklaw:
All of the marketing hype in the world cannot make Micro$oft a better system
http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&boa rd=1600684464&tid=cald
&sid=1600684464&mid=274625
A Tucson Arizona credit card processor has been implicated in a security breach
which resulted in fraudlent charges and the exposure of 40 MM accounts.
CardSystems Solutions has helpfully posted a Computer Operator job listing. This
makes it clear that the system breached was running M$ OS.
www.cardsystems.com/careers/ComputerOperator_ 0410. pdf
A seperate database developer job posting has a VBScript experience requirement,
leading to the presumption that VBScripts were at the heart of the card
processors data management.
A quality assurance job posting required experience in Windows NT and Windows
2000. Using these obsolete systems was part of the innovative "security
through obscurity" policy of the part of the card processors.
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/netblock?q=UU-63-83-95 ,63.83.95.0,63.83.95.255
3330975
www.cardsystems.com
CardSystems Solutions, Inc., 6390 East Broadway, Tucson, 85710, United
States April 1997
Microsoft-IIS/5.0 Windows 2000
Mastercard is running Apache on Solaris
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /mastercard.com
Mastercard International
2200 MasterCard Blvd OFallon MO US 63366
Solaris 8 Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7
mod_perl/1.27 29-Jul-2003
Was Mastercard to blame running a decent OS
Or was CardSystems to blame for running Micro$oft crapware. -
Re:The data center runs on UNIX
"ONLY front end"? These idiots at CardSystems Solutions put insecure Microsoft software at the front end and expect that this concept is secure. My grandmother could have told them that every component has the be secure, in particular the front end, not just the back end. When will they learn? When will they pay the price? http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.card
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Re:"CardSystems web site runs on the Windows 2000.
Ooops, sorry, cut-and-paste missed a line. Here, look for yourself: http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:
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"CardSystems web site runs on the Windows 2000..."
From news.netcraft.com, whatever that is....http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/06/1
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Is winblows to blame?
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Linux/Apache/1.3.26 The joke is on you Dan
Netcaft Confirms it! The server that served up those vitriolic words is apache running on linux boxen.
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Way to insult your interviewer...
www.forbes.com 63.240.4.179 Linux Apache/1.3.26
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Someone Set them up the Linux!
Forbes: How are you gentlemen. All your linux is for Losers.
Slashdot: Main screen turn on -
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /www.forbes.com
Linux: You have no chance to survive, make you time. HA HA HA! -
dog food
Maybe I'm playing the devil's advocate but yellowtab.com is running Linux
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Re:Linus doesn't know much of anything about BSD.
Even some open source software runs so poorly on BSD that it's not worth using -- like MySQL
Not worth using? I've been using FreeBSD with Apache, MySQL and PHP on my webserver without any problems.
At a job I held in college, I set up a network with FreeBSD and a database-driver website that used PHP+MySQL. This website received significant amount of traffic and ran without any problems.
*Some* software may run poorly, but MySQL is not one of them. It may not run as well on *BSD as on Linux, but it does run (and runs pretty well on some *BSD's).
Check this out.
It all comes down to what you want... if you want a good server, then maybe you want FreeBSD.
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Re:What's the point in trolling? (flamefest)
I wrote:
FreeBSD is used on web servers much more than any Linux distro (2.5 million active sites, against 1.6 million of Red Hat). And from Netcraft numbers (June 2004), FreeBSD had a 25% increase in the last year.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/06/07/nearl y_25_million_active_sites_running_freebsd.html
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/03/14/fedor a_makes_rapid_progress.html
CI replied:
Ha ha. Very funny. You know, it has been nearly a decade since you needed a really good OS to serve websites, right?
??
Even a kid from his parents' basement can "serve websites". Of course, Yahoo's requirements are *a bit* different..
Quoting from the Netcraft link:
"FreeBSD has been synonymous with large scale shared hosting since the genesis of the web, and continues a symbiotic relationship with the largest hosting companies today."
To sum it up, yes, they pretty much "need a really good OS". Quite obviously..
The only thing that makes me sad is that the cluelessness of that statement brings an end to the flamefest.
Goodbye, CI! It was wonderful while it lasted.. :'(
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Re:What's the point in trolling? (flamefest)
I wrote:
FreeBSD is used on web servers much more than any Linux distro (2.5 million active sites, against 1.6 million of Red Hat). And from Netcraft numbers (June 2004), FreeBSD had a 25% increase in the last year.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/06/07/nearl y_25_million_active_sites_running_freebsd.html
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/03/14/fedor a_makes_rapid_progress.html
CI replied:
Ha ha. Very funny. You know, it has been nearly a decade since you needed a really good OS to serve websites, right?
??
Even a kid from his parents' basement can "serve websites". Of course, Yahoo's requirements are *a bit* different..
Quoting from the Netcraft link:
"FreeBSD has been synonymous with large scale shared hosting since the genesis of the web, and continues a symbiotic relationship with the largest hosting companies today."
To sum it up, yes, they pretty much "need a really good OS". Quite obviously..
The only thing that makes me sad is that the cluelessness of that statement brings an end to the flamefest.
Goodbye, CI! It was wonderful while it lasted.. :'(
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Re:What's the point in trolling? (flamefest)
I wrote:
FreeBSD is used on web servers much more than any Linux distro (2.5 million active sites, against 1.6 million of Red Hat). And from Netcraft numbers (June 2004), FreeBSD had a 25% increase in the last year.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/06/07/nearl y_25_million_active_sites_running_freebsd.html
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/03/14/fedor a_makes_rapid_progress.html
CI replied:
Ha ha. Very funny. You know, it has been nearly a decade since you needed a really good OS to serve websites, right?
??
Even a kid from his parents' basement can "serve websites". Of course, Yahoo's requirements are *a bit* different..
Quoting from the Netcraft link:
"FreeBSD has been synonymous with large scale shared hosting since the genesis of the web, and continues a symbiotic relationship with the largest hosting companies today."
To sum it up, yes, they pretty much "need a really good OS". Quite obviously..
The only thing that makes me sad is that the cluelessness of that statement brings an end to the flamefest.
Goodbye, CI! It was wonderful while it lasted.. :'(
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Re:What's the point in trolling? (flamefest)"Anonymous Coward":
>Allow me to present you with an alternative possible explanation, with which you might expand your small mind:
>FreeBSD is obscure because it is not a strong Linux contender.
Allow me to refute your alternative possible explanation with *facts*. :)
FreeBSD is used on web servers much more than any Linux distro (2.5 million active sites, against 1.6 million of Red Hat). And from Netcraft numbers (June 2004), FreeBSD had a 25% increase in the last year.
So, you can wave bye bye to your alternative possible explanation.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/06/07/nearl y_25_million_active_sites_running_freebsd.html
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/03/14/fedor a_makes_rapid_progress.html
But wait.. that's weird. The facts I reported, they were already written in the post you replied to.
OMG. What does that mean?
Maybe.. does it mean that, besides an Anonymous Coward, you're also a Clueless Idiot?..
Just wondering, of course. (..Oh, who am I kidding.)
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Re:What's the point in trolling? (flamefest)"Anonymous Coward":
>Allow me to present you with an alternative possible explanation, with which you might expand your small mind:
>FreeBSD is obscure because it is not a strong Linux contender.
Allow me to refute your alternative possible explanation with *facts*. :)
FreeBSD is used on web servers much more than any Linux distro (2.5 million active sites, against 1.6 million of Red Hat). And from Netcraft numbers (June 2004), FreeBSD had a 25% increase in the last year.
So, you can wave bye bye to your alternative possible explanation.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/06/07/nearl y_25_million_active_sites_running_freebsd.html
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/03/14/fedor a_makes_rapid_progress.html
But wait.. that's weird. The facts I reported, they were already written in the post you replied to.
OMG. What does that mean?
Maybe.. does it mean that, besides an Anonymous Coward, you're also a Clueless Idiot?..
Just wondering, of course. (..Oh, who am I kidding.)
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Re:What's the point in trolling?Since you're self-proclaimed clueless, maybe next time you could limit yourself to asking "Why should *I* use FreeBSD?", instead of asking "What's the point in FreeBSD?" - that definitely sounds like a troll, looks like a troll and smells like a troll.
Anyway, here are my humble reasons for choosing FreeBSD over any Linux distro.
The main one is definitely the wonderful ports system. The only thing that comes close to it in the Linux world is Gentoo portage: I didn't try it, but those who did didn't find it as good.
The following four links (the Handbook and three excellent tutorials) contain everything one needs to understand and use FreeBSD ports
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/h andbook/ports.html
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/07/FreeBSD _Basics.html
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD _Basics.html
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/09/18/FreeBSD _Basics.html
Another not-so-secondary reason is security.
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
And to me, a very important reason is also the license. I have a very strong preference for the academic licenses (BSD, MIT) towards the copyleft licenses (GPL, LGPL).
And it looks like I'm not the only one
Eric Raymond advocates BSD license over GPL (June 2005)
"Freedom and choice are pretty cool. But we should talk about many other things. GPL is based on the belief that open source software is weak and needs to be protected. With it, we continue injuring ourselves, cutting ourselves from the economic benefits of BSD license".Btw, it seems that *somebody* is sharing my preference, since FreeBSD is used on web servers much more than any Linux distro (2.5 million active sites, against 1.6 million of Red Hat). And from Netcraft numbers (June 2004), FreeBSD had a 25% increase in the last year.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/06/07/nearl y_25_million_active_sites_running_freebsd.html
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/03/14/fedor a_makes_rapid_progress.html
I know, facts like this one are little known on Slashdot - for a reason, I'm afraid. The same reason why lousy "reviews" like this one get produced by NewsForge and posted on Slashdot (they belong to the same company), and the same reason why in the /. BSD section, in the latest 20+ news items, only 2 (two) are about FreeBSD (the 5.4 release, and this piece of crap), notwithstanding its huge user base.
That alone says that FreeBSD is a strong Linux contender: if it weren't, there would be no point in obscuring it.
Btw this is an observation, it's not a complaint. FreeBSD has already shown that it can thrive even without the hype.
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Re:What's the point in trolling?Since you're self-proclaimed clueless, maybe next time you could limit yourself to asking "Why should *I* use FreeBSD?", instead of asking "What's the point in FreeBSD?" - that definitely sounds like a troll, looks like a troll and smells like a troll.
Anyway, here are my humble reasons for choosing FreeBSD over any Linux distro.
The main one is definitely the wonderful ports system. The only thing that comes close to it in the Linux world is Gentoo portage: I didn't try it, but those who did didn't find it as good.
The following four links (the Handbook and three excellent tutorials) contain everything one needs to understand and use FreeBSD ports
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/h andbook/ports.html
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/07/FreeBSD _Basics.html
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD _Basics.html
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/09/18/FreeBSD _Basics.html
Another not-so-secondary reason is security.
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
And to me, a very important reason is also the license. I have a very strong preference for the academic licenses (BSD, MIT) towards the copyleft licenses (GPL, LGPL).
And it looks like I'm not the only one
Eric Raymond advocates BSD license over GPL (June 2005)
"Freedom and choice are pretty cool. But we should talk about many other things. GPL is based on the belief that open source software is weak and needs to be protected. With it, we continue injuring ourselves, cutting ourselves from the economic benefits of BSD license".Btw, it seems that *somebody* is sharing my preference, since FreeBSD is used on web servers much more than any Linux distro (2.5 million active sites, against 1.6 million of Red Hat). And from Netcraft numbers (June 2004), FreeBSD had a 25% increase in the last year.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/06/07/nearl y_25_million_active_sites_running_freebsd.html
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/03/14/fedor a_makes_rapid_progress.html
I know, facts like this one are little known on Slashdot - for a reason, I'm afraid. The same reason why lousy "reviews" like this one get produced by NewsForge and posted on Slashdot (they belong to the same company), and the same reason why in the /. BSD section, in the latest 20+ news items, only 2 (two) are about FreeBSD (the 5.4 release, and this piece of crap), notwithstanding its huge user base.
That alone says that FreeBSD is a strong Linux contender: if it weren't, there would be no point in obscuring it.
Btw this is an observation, it's not a complaint. FreeBSD has already shown that it can thrive even without the hype.
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Requiem for the FUD -
Re:just remember...
> 'FOSS' has just barely begun making a small dent
> in some Microsoft markets. Or would you care to
> list some?
Ever hear of Apache?