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2005 Looks Like Record Year for Net Growth

miller60 writes "Netcraft reports that the Internet grew by 2.7 million sites in June, the second-largest gain in the history of its Web Server Survey. With growth of 10 million sites in the first half of the year, 2005 should easily surpass the existing annual growth record of 16 million sites from the dot-com boom year of 2000. The growth of small business web sites, blogs, domain name businesses and online advertising are all cited as factors in the strong gains."

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  1. How many of these... by Silverlancer · · Score: 4, Funny

    The average site, of the 2.7m:

    eN14Rg3 y0Ur m4N1Lh0oD! or|)3r v!46Ra 70|)4Y!

    1. Re:How many of these... by orangesquid · · Score: 1

      I wonder how they count a 'site'.
      If there are two hundred domain names of the form hot-sex-women-frankenfurter.com that all redirect to teenzexpozed.com, does that count as one, or two hundred?

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  2. Hmmph by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just the other day we were being told that the Internet was broken and needed replacing. Then, we find that it is growing very nicely, only to have this article confirm it...

    I mean, is this where I toot my own horn and say: I told you so!!?!?

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    1. Re:Hmmph by tktk · · Score: 2, Funny
      Being broken and being able to grow in size are not mutually exclusive situations.

      For example: AOL. Broken from birth, IMO.

    2. Re:Hmmph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Bluntly, ``growing'' does not mean ``not broken or in need of replacement.'' Cancer grows a lot, too, you know. Want to take a guess at how many of those sites are made by spammers and phishers?

    3. Re:Hmmph by r2q2 · · Score: 1

      That article doesn't say the internet is broken. It just says that is there the possibility of a new network design that would improve on the current structure of the internet. Who knows the new internet and the old one could co exist.

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    4. Re:Hmmph by Darkangael · · Score: 0

      One of the reasons it could use replacing is BECAUSE it is growing so fast. I doubt the original designers ever expected it to grow even as large as it is today, let alone designed for it.

  3. Server trends & commercial blogs by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Its interesting that the percentage of Microsoft powered servers has risen 0.27 from the last statistics, perhaps suggesting that improvements to the latest versions of IIS are increasing use. As for the overall growth, the use of blogs as a commercial tool seems to really be coming into age and this may prove interesting as to filtering and blocking spam or excessively promotional blogs from search engines and feed spiders.

    1. Re:Server trends & commercial blogs by bersl2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Its interesting that the percentage of Microsoft powered servers has risen 0.27 from the last statistics, perhaps suggesting that improvements to the latest versions of IIS are increasing use.

      And the month before, their change was -0.28%. So what? You need to see an actual trend before you can possibly conclude anything.

    2. Re:Server trends & commercial blogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, I'm seeing more customers that already have Windows servers that would rather deal with the potential headaches of running their own web server (on production servers) than pay $8/mo. for an el-cheapo web hosting service.

    3. Re:Server trends & commercial blogs by kayak334 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'd like to take this time to honestly thank you for making a good post on slashdot. More people need to use logic.

  4. Sites or hostnames? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems that Netcraft is reporting on newly created hostnames (I'm assuming domain names) rather than actual sites. How hard is it to point multiple domains at one site? Not very.

    1. Re:Sites or hostnames? by Kinky+Bass+Junk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How hard is it to point multiple domains at one site? Not very.

      Yes, but in the same respect, how hard is it to have multiple sites per domain name? Not very.

      They probably even out quite nicely, in fact it is quite possibly a lot higher than the figures given, with that in mind.

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    2. Re:Sites or hostnames? by Jimbroskee · · Score: 1

      I also know of several people that have registered domains that they plan to eventually have sites on, or to get a name they want before it is taken. So you're right, this is probably a very inaccurate picture of actual growth. Not to mention are they subtracting sites that are no longer available. Kind of like calculating the population by adding birth records to the last census.

  5. Link-farms? by Trepalium · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many of those sites are just link farms used to pollute search engines like Google? I'm noticing more and more of these linkfarms getting high placement when searching for things. It's making searching frustrating.

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    1. Re:Link-farms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you're not a very good searcher?

    2. Re:Link-farms? by British · · Score: 1

      What is a link farm? is that one of those sites, no matter what obscure search term you put in, it's always the first site that comes up on google?

      Then you visit that site, and find out there is absolutely nothing related to what you are searching for, but just ads for shitty domain hosting, links to links to other links for shopping, etc?

    3. Re:Link-farms? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      What is a link farm? is that one of those sites, no matter what obscure search term you put in, it's always the first site that comes up on google?

      Then you visit that site, and find out there is absolutely nothing related to what you are searching for, but just ads for shitty domain hosting, links to links to other links for shopping, etc?


      You got it.

    4. Re:Link-farms? by the_burton · · Score: 1

      Well that's exactly it... Sure there's been an increase in net growth, but it hasn't been at all positive, except for the few that play google to make some quick profit.

      I've always been a strong believer in the strength of google but recently the last few times I've done some deep querying, all I'm presented with is garbage sites. When you look deep into google, all you see is a rising filth of exploitive money making webpages. Google has to get a handle on the situation soon or their relevance as the king of search will start to be questioned.

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  6. In Other News... by RPI+Geek · · Score: 1

    The porn industry has grown by 2.5 million websites in the past year...

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  7. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Adrilla · · Score: 1

    or maybe just that joke. If not, kill it anyway.

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  8. Personally, I perfer quality to quantity! by busman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone seen a good new site in '05?

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    1. Re:Personally, I perfer quality to quantity! by busman · · Score: 1

      p()rn sites included!

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    2. Re:Personally, I perfer quality to quantity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Personally, I perfer quality to quantity! by balloonhead · · Score: 1

      www.brisbanebrass.com

      It's just a band website, so it's not much use to anyone outside the band.

      But it is good, and it only started in 2005!

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  9. How many are from China? by r_jensen11 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With China's rapid pace of catching up, I'm guessing that the proportion to new sites in China as opposed to other countries is significantly higher.

    1. Re:How many are from China? by wheelbarrow · · Score: 1

      There may be a lot of new ones in China, but they'd better have content approved by the communist government there. China has a track record of internet censorship that should bother anyone who values the free and open expression of ideas. The Chinese Government that won't even acknowledge regret for running over their teenagers with tanks will not allow a free and open market place of ideas to develop in China.

    2. Re:How many are from China? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Without a doubt, the Chinese government is oppressive (an understatement) and stomps on every core facet of freedom known to man. That said however, I'm rather optimistic about the future of China. Given these new rules and regulations being churned out by the CCP, I see this as an act of desperation by those trying to cling onto power and control over the masses.

      I know a girl that is currently living in Shanghai whom I speak with on Skype on regular bases. From what I've learned, there is a major culture divide. Everyone in their late 30s and below has embraced the philosophies of the western world in regards to freedom of expression. Even the taboo of sexuality is starting to make its rounds on the Chinese side of the Internet. Basically, China is on the verge of a revolution. And if the CCP is not careful, we can soon expect to witness its demise.

      Of course, this will not happen until AFTER they try and invade Taiwan in order muster up Patriotism among the Chinese people. But in fact, the exact opposite may end up starting the revolution in China.

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  10. Linux/BSD part of the reason for the growth? by Teckla · · Score: 0

    This leads me to wonder: Is Linux/BSD part of the reason for the continuing rapid growth of the Internet?

    The cost of alternatives like Windows Server is incredibly expensive, at least for smaller companies and individuals.

    With the free availability of commercial strength operating systems like Linux and BSD, almost any small company or individual can have a solid presence on the Internet. Not to mention, web hosting providers can keep costs way down by using Linux/BSD.

    This is truly an exciting time to live!

    1. Re:Linux/BSD part of the reason for the growth? by Teckla · · Score: 1

      I just realized that it was almost criminal for me not to mention other free software which makes the Internet possible for a wider range of people:

      Thanks are also due to Apache, Tomcat, Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, MySQL, PostgreSQL, the list goes on...

    2. Re:Linux/BSD part of the reason for the growth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah that $10 a month for windows hosting truely is prohibitively expensive for smaller companies.

      I'm not saying you can't host site more cheaply on a FOSS OS, but lets face it, I hardly think it is driving factor. The fact that you are at a pretty serious disadvantage if you don't have at least some web presence, sure.

  11. The real question is: by LowbrowDeluxe · · Score: 1

    How many of them got slashdotted?

  12. Wrong terms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may be a record year for net growth, but what about gross growth?

    1. Re:Wrong terms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you saw the rise of goatse and tubgirl, you wouldn't have to ask that question.

  13. I wonder... by Lithgon · · Score: 1

    ...how many of those are geocities?

  14. Never heard of GNU? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is one glaring omission in your list: the GNU project. In fact, the net should really be called GNU/Internet.

  15. The rise of the blogs by supercytro · · Score: 5, Funny
    The growth of *snip* blogs *snip* are all cited as factors in the strong gains.

    I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out "Look what I had for breakfast this morning"

    1. Re:The rise of the blogs by geoff43230 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Luke, I am.. your server!" "No, it's not possible!" "Search your trackback records, you know it to be true..."

  16. Re:Sites or hostnames? (SPAMMERS) by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems that Netcraft is reporting on newly created hostnames (I'm assuming domain names) rather than actual sites. How hard is it to point multiple domains at one site? Not very.

    So true. Judging by all the throw-away domain names I see in spam everyday (e.g., fqydahwviagra.scam), I wonder what percentage of the domains are real. I also wonder if some of the domain name expansion is just companies protecting themselves with alternate tradename spellings and TLDs

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  17. Conflicting statistics by bogaboga · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Over here at http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/200506/ index.html, it shows Apache simply increased its market share in the month heading up to July 2005. This reminds me of what statistics can be: They can be made/manipulated into anything the presenter wants to project. So who is telling lies here? SecuritySpace or Netcraft or both?

    1. Re:Conflicting statistics by dustmite · · Score: 1

      The two survey different sets of sites, so it's not unexpected to see some differences between the two. It's just "noise" .. on the whole they should reveal the same trends. Both reveal a strong and continuing long-term growth of Apache, and both reveal that IIS's share of the market has been more or less stagnant for some years now - seemingly stuck at around 25%, with a few ups and downs here and there, but not going anywhere - in fact declining very slightly.

      Because the total number of servers is growing so quickly, IIS can still present the stats in a way that appears to show strong growth, because 25% of a rapidly increasing number is also a rapidly increasing number. It's just that that 25% figure is not really getting higher.

      I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't seem that worried about their stagnation in the web server market (in % share not absolute sales numbers). I guess IIS just doesn't offer enough additional 'marginal utility' over Apache to justify the extra cost. However it's interesting to think that Microsoft would most probably gain a huge additional percentage of market share if they dropped their server prices, by, say, 50% - they'd still be making profit just off the existing sales, and they'd be making even more because of the greater economies of scale from simply selling more. And a higher percentage market share is strategically important - so why don't they?

    2. Re:Conflicting statistics by Trepalium · · Score: 1
      Microsoft has already tried this tactic with Windows Server 2003, Web Edition. It seems just lowering the pricetag isn't enough to get any meaningful amount of people to switch. The fact of the matter is, it's easier to deploy websites in bulk on Apache, especially a large number of sites sharing a single system (machine, cluster, or whatever). There's also things like authentication (IIS can only do authentication against a Windows username/password, Apache does it against a file by default and can be extended by modules to authenticate against just about anything else without any real programming) which makes it hard to offer users password-protected sections of their own website on IIS versus Apache. To make matters worse, IIS has had problems with hosting a large number of sites on a single machine in the past (I'm told this is fixed in 2003).

      To steal Microsoft's marketing, Windows Server's TCO is higher than Apache on Unix when doing webhosting. It requires less administration to host more websites per server using Apache.

      Note that Netcraft's numbers are per domainname. I seem to recall them mentioning a long time back that despite the fact that IIS only accounted for something like 20% of the domain names surveyed, it accounted for 50% of the distinct IPs (and therefore, probably machines).

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  18. well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...question is, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

  19. "Domain sponsor" garbage by Krankheit · · Score: 1

    How many of these sites are sites like slashdot.net, whom use domains for useless purposes to sell advertising and wait for someone to pay a large sum of money just to have the domain used for a useful purpose. There should be a top level domain that does not allow registering of sites that provide little purpose.

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  20. Ratio 2.1:1 by haakondahl · · Score: 1

    It's pretty steady on the first graph; about a 2.1:1 ratio of hostnames to "active" (sites, servers?). I suspect this goes beyond simply registering foo.org and foo.com while only running foo.com. Any suggestions?

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  21. quality web sites?? where are they???? by John+Seminal · · Score: 2, Insightful
    reports that the Internet grew by 2.7 million sites in June, the second-largest gain in the history of its Web Server Survey

    I think the best days of the web are behind us.

    When the internet first hit, almost all websites were free. If Joe wanted to tell the world about his love of aviation, he set up a website. People put in lots of hours, with quality information.

    But how has the internet evolved?

    Money currupted the internet.

    For example, try typing in "learn spanish" in google. How many websites are places that want your money? When the internet first started, there were better websites that were free. Not anymore, they got pushed off the web.

    I think the web has outlived its usefullness. It is like TV. Too many commercials. I wonder if the next computer will come with a machine to suck in dollar bills. Maybe it can transmit the numbers off a $10 bill and shred it, so that way the bank credits the other end.

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    1. Re:quality web sites?? where are they???? by CrypticOutsider · · Score: 1
      When the internet first hit, almost all websites were free. If Joe wanted to tell the world about his love of aviation, he set up a website. People put in lots of hours, with quality information.

      I know this may be hard to believe, but the Internet != the web. Before Mosaic came around people used talk, wais, ftp, etc. The Internet was operational 25+ years before the Web grew on it.

      Or I can just point to IM. They're not the web, but they use the Internet.

      But you do have a valid point about commercialism. When people started domain squatting (and getting rewarded)...

      But if the alternative is having to pay for usage, then maybe it's not so bad.. you always have the choice of paying $5/month for your own website and exchanging web info w/o ads (or file sharing, or whatever you wish to use the net for).

      Google has become quite a crutch.. get an obscure error message and you can have a solution in a minute. 10+ years ago, you'd have a company paying your $10/hour to browse around on a site like Compu$erve trying to find the answer.

      Corporations are there to generate money for shareholders. Why do all cell phone plans cost $40+/month? Or cable, etc.. because it's what the market will bear. As long as your neighbors are willing to pony up the cash to get those items that they have to have, they'll cost what they do.

    2. Re:quality web sites?? where are they???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if the next computer will come with a machine to suck in dollar bills. Maybe it can transmit the numbers off a $10 bill and shred it, so that way the bank credits the other end.

      Uhh...there is a new invention...its called the credit card.

    3. Re:quality web sites?? where are they???? by klept · · Score: 1

      Get real, will you. Money is always there, and like every tool, it can be either used for good or bad. No offense, but sounds like you dont know how to use searchengines. One of the first lessons my daddy taught me was "you dont get something for nothing". My aphrosem, if it's free, it's probably a con.

    4. Re:quality web sites?? where are they???? by fingerfucker · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should refrain yourself from practicing a brain-dead approach to searching, such as "I will search only Google". Maybe if you typed your query on dmoz.org, you would have gotten www.learn-spanish-online.de as the second hit. Maybe if you tried something else than Google, you would see the world in a whole new light...

    5. Re:quality web sites?? where are they???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the internet first started, there were better websites that were free. Not anymore, they got pushed off the web.

      The web isn't this finite space that you have to clear out before adding new things. You make it sound like a bunch of good websites had to be deleted to make room for the new commercial ones. That's bollocks.

      You can make a new non-commercial website more easily today than you could "when the internet first started". And you can read such websites more easily today than you could "when the internet first started". And both of these things are primarily due to the commercial success of the internet.

      I think the web has outlived its usefullness.

      Then what are you still doing here? If you really believed that, then you would have unplugged your computer from the internet already. I get the impression you don't really think the internet's useless, but you want to sound cool by going on about "the old days". Uphill in the snow.

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  22. If you build it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A greater number say: This site under construction.

  23. No, but I have seen lots of good websites close by John+Seminal · · Score: 1
    For example, probably the best source of information about tv shows, casts, and epsiode details was tvtome.com. Guess what happened? A different website, not wanting the competition, paid the original website money to close their doors. The new website is commercial, and is just there to make money. The information is not as good at the new website. All the old forums and posts are gone. So if you wanted to know, for example, any symbolism about the series finale of Quantum Leap, they are all gone, all the posts, all the information. Was the bartender God?

    I would rather have 1 quality website than get 10 new bad websites and lose that quality website.

    I'll give one more example. Even if you like porn, say you want to find MILF's. So you type in MILF in google, and you get 1 real MILF website for every 20 websites that just refeer you to the original website.

    Maybe the solution is a better search engine. One that is not based on money, so nobody can buy a better result. A search engine that rejects refferal websites and spam.

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    1. Re:No, but I have seen lots of good websites close by martyn+s · · Score: 1

      I used tvtome for a while and it's pretty much still there, it's just been very redesigned (and now it's called and points to tv.com). CNET bought tvtome a while ago, and it seems like the information is the same, though I definitely do not like the new layout...too flashy. But anyway yeah...

    2. Re:No, but I have seen lots of good websites close by wheelbarrow · · Score: 1

      If you want a search engine that is not based on money, then how will its continued operation be funded?

  24. How does Netcraft define "site"? by securitas · · Score: 4, Insightful


    How does Netcraft define the word "site"? If it just means domains that resolve to a host, it's not very encouraging. I would like to see a breakdown of the numbers that shows how many of these sites are linkspam farms, redirects and other such junk.

    My suspicion is that most of the growth comes from from such "sites". The survey notes read:

    • Speculation in the market for domain names, buoyed by rising resale prices and the ability to generate revenue via pay-per-click advertising on parked domains.
    • Strong sales of online advertising, especially keyword-based contextual ads that support business models for both domain parking and commercial weblogs.

    While individuals may use ad revenues to subsidize the cost of parking domains while they develop them, the new business model for advertising-filled parked domains and spam-filled "commercial weblogs" means that the amount of junk on the net will increase.

    This also means that it's now even more lucrative for domain squatters to hold onto decent domains, which will increase their resources and abilities to register and squat on an even greater number of domains. After all, this is now an acceptable and viable business model that works against those who want to contribute something useful to the Internet. Squatters can now cite ad-revenue squats in arbitration cases.

    This isn't a positive development.

    1. Re:How does Netcraft define "site"? by xiando · · Score: 1

      I register a domain. 1 half an hour goes by. Netcraft asks for index.html on port 80 at what ever IP the domain points to. Volla, new site. Fact is that the Netcraft and MSN bots are extremely eager to frequently spider new domains. This becomes clear if you look at the logs for new sites: They are both on the top of the user-agent lists.

  25. It is hard to find what you want by Krankheit · · Score: 1

    Google only lets you see the first 1000 URLs matching your query, and many of them are irrelevent, useless, or charging a fee. It is sometimes hard to find reliable, relevent information.

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  26. It is hard to find what you want-FREE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Google only lets you see the first 1000 URLs matching your query, and many of them are irrelevent, useless, or charging a fee. It is sometimes hard to find reliable, relevent information."

    Oh yeah that last one must be killing the "reliable, relevent" market.

    1. Re:It is hard to find what you want-FREE! by Krankheit · · Score: 1

      Would you pay money for Xlib documentation?

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    2. Re:It is hard to find what you want-FREE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would pay for quality documentation.*

      *Try these questions on for size. How much time do you waste because of poor documentation? Would you pay money for "reliable, relevent" documentation so you could have more free time?

    3. Re:It is hard to find what you want-FREE! by Krankheit · · Score: 1

      I am just a lazy couch potato, with the only exception that I have a computer hooked up to my CRT, and alot of old machines and network gear. Good documentation should be made available for something as important as Xlib to allow more developers to write applications. O'Reilly has helped this effort, but it seems to still be lacking. I don't mind spending my time reading through source and header files, but I am a basement dwelling couch potato with no life. I realize most potential developers have more responsibilities than me, and would develop applications with Xlib if documentation was readily available. If GTK (toolkit that uses Xlib) is well documented (for free as in beer), why can't Xlib be?

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    4. Re:It is hard to find what you want-FREE! by nchip · · Score: 1

      sudo apt-get install xspecs

      X11 protocol and xlib probably had decent documentation when you were still wetting your pants!

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  27. So maybe thats why.. by Francis85 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe thats why we're starting to get flooded with domains like .tv, .info, .biz, .lollercoaster, etc

    Problem with IPv4 was running out of IPs, but they must be running out of domain names too?

    Also, something should be done about the damn placeholder sites waiting to be bought, with no other purpose. You should not be allowed to have a domain name unless you're going have a REAL SITE there. A good example is the damn "search engines" which you get on as soon as you make a typo in a URL. Another example is netidentity.com.. on the bottom of their sites they say "We've reserved over 17,000 name-based domains to share with you. Get an e-mail or web address in your name -- it's easy"

    What a waste of valuable domain names this is.

  28. YEAH, but not economic growth by argoff · · Score: 1

    The economic growth is what matters, and before the end of this year the whole damn thing going to collapse no matter how you look at it. For a technical community, there is almost a arrogance on slashdot that shuns economic science, and I think that people will pay a bitter price within the next year if they don't loose that attitude.

    1. Re:YEAH, but not economic growth by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Economy collapse?! The real estate industry is single handedly holding the economy too high. High-tech is exactly where it should be, go blame the real estate industry.

      Between the interest rates not rising fast enough, and the Feds babying real estate as the only thing left. The average joe has to work their ass off in a low salary economy to feed real estate agents and rentlords. Don't blame slashdotters. At least techies have skills. Real estate agents just bullshit for a living.

    2. Re:YEAH, but not economic growth by argoff · · Score: 1

      Economy collapse?! The real estate industry is single handedly holding the economy too high. High-tech is exactly where it should be, go blame the real estate industry.

      That's what I am trying to say though. Druing the dot com boom, even though it was over inflated they still created a lot of technology and internet infrastructure that over the long term could promote enough growth to keep the economy from collapsing. This time, all the money is from real-estate, it creates little new technologies, no factories, and no infrastructure technological or otherwise. People minus of well have just maxed out their credit cards. In addition stock collapses usually slowly hit the economy over the course of a year, real-estate collapses are almost instant. It will almost certainly start before the end of this year and a massive collapse will follow.

      Between the interest rates not rising fast enough, and the Feds babying real estate as the only thing left. The average joe has to work their ass off in a low salary economy to feed real estate agents and rentlords. Don't blame slashdotters. At least techies have skills. Real estate agents just bullshit for a living.

      Because this boom was real-estate and not real infrastructure, the fed is in a bind. If they raise interest rates by more than half a point the collapse will start, if they lower it hyperinflation will start. They have no room for forgiveness because of all the personal, national, and trade balance debt. Their room for manuvering is closing, and when it does we are all screwed.

      What will likely happen, is the fed will not be able to hold off the collapse, it will cause an instant great depression, which will take all the markets in the globe with it, then the banks of the world will panic and print up money like no tommorow to try and stimulate things.

      My vote is stay out of debt no matter what, get out of real-estate, buy gold and silver like there is no tommorow and if you really know what you're doing buy gold and silver stocks. Also, I never thought I'd see a day where I would recommend food storage in the USA. I'm serious, this is for real. It really is strange that so many people naievely think that everything is ok, it's like I'm in a movie. People buying houses now are freakin insane!

    3. Re:YEAH, but not economic growth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are being ridiculous, sir.

      Real estate prices aren't going to cause any kind of catastrophe. While people do borrow against the value of their home, they get that money NOW, while the rates are excellent. The world market is actually in a glut of savings right now, allowing the U.S.A. to borrow an enormous amount with little consequence. Lenders, on the other hand, are only affected if the borrower defaults and loses the house, which happens infrequently enough not to be an issue.

      So nobody is going to get killed on debt by falling home prices. That leaves only those wishing to sell(and buying for the short-term) at a disadvantage. The market has absorbed such price adjustments several times before, and because people generally own their homes for many years there will be ample opportunity to let prices recover.

      Therefore the only losers are traders who want to make a quick turnaround. In the meantime, people generating real wealth will go on doing exactly that, because they don't have any factors to make them lose their job or lower their standards of consumption.

    4. Re:YEAH, but not economic growth by lxs · · Score: 1

      there is almost a arrogance on slashdot that shuns economic science

      Contrary to what economists want to have you believe, economy is not an exact science. It's more akin to psychology in that respect. Many models, all contradictory, most of them wrong. 9 of of 10 predictions by so-called "expert economists" never materialize.

      As an example from the late 1990s, for every economist predicting the collapse of the internet bubble, you could find ten who were predicting it to go on for at least a decade.

      The economists from the IMF prefer their models over reality to such an extent, that their policies have sent many countries into a downward economic spiral. The most recent big example of this was Argentina, where hyperinflation was only halted when the state decided to ignore the IMF guidelines which were (presumably) drafted with the help of "economic science".

      This is why I have lost all respect for economy as a science, and I suspect the same goes for many slashdotters.

    5. Re:YEAH, but not economic growth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the poster is correct. Once the downspin start, there will be a real estate correction. In the correction phase it is impossible to sell real estate at a profit. Everybody sell at a loss.

      And no, there has never actually been an adjustment quite like this one coming. The past bad economies were adjusting with homes valued at $100,000. Now you are 3-4 times that amount in most states.

  29. Wikipedia etc. by dustmite · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nowadays, Joe Aviation-lover probably contributes to aviation articles on Wikipedia.

    "When the Internet first hit", people created lots of disparate Web sites all over the place, with little bits of information spread all over. It was hard finding and piecing together all this information if you needed to know more about something, because there would be a hundred different websites on a topic, by a hundred different people, all thin on info. Wikipedia was a stroke of genius - they got those hundred people together to instead create one single, central, quality resource on that topic. Now those hundred little websites that used to exist are made redundant - Wikipedia supercedes all of them - so in a sense we don't really need to mourn their loss. Of course it's more impersonal, but blogs have largely replaced "the personal web site" as a mechanism for expressing yourself, and despite all the cynical comments on slashdot, blogs are popular and do serve a purpose (of course Sturgeon's law applies, but it always did before to "personal web sites" too).

    The Web hasn't outlived it's usefulness at all - it's just changed. In fact, with sites like Wikipedia, I'd say it's more useful than ever before - I consult Wikipedia all the time, it's got an incredible wealth of quality information in it, and growing rapidly.

    (Yeah I probably sound like a Wikipedia shill or something.)

  30. New sites I've come across in '05 by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've only found a couple, but I read both of them frequently now. Of course, these may be of little or no use to anyone else, but I imagine many new sites are like that. Even more so than with the magazine industry, the Web allows for a tremendous level of specialization.

    The Huffington Post - a collection of opinionated high-profile bloggers who are already making waves by making the notion of blogs accessible to people outside the "blogosphere"

    Bayosphere - citizen journalism in the San Francisco bay area, and noted tech journalist Dan Gillmor's new hangout

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  31. No, but I have seen lots of free websites close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If you want a search engine that is not based on money, then how will its continued operation be funded?"

    MAGIC!

  32. Just because... by ciroknight · · Score: 1

    Just because the world wide web is growing faster than before, doesn't nessicarily mean that the Internet is healthy.

    I would still argue that, while yes, the web is growing and a lot of good is happening on the Internet, it is still fatally flawed as evident in email, search engine, and blog spam. Putting it simply, the Internet is flawed because there isn't a structure in place for it to pay for itself without annoying advertisements. Google's made a lot of headway in this department, but even they're getting sued because they can't prevent scammers from ruining their attempts.

    The Internet is broken, even if the world wide web is growing and working fine. More specifically, POP, IMAP, SMTP protocols are mortally broken, even if they work as built. Replacing the hardware underneath may help, but honestly, I think it's mainly the software's fault its in such bad shape.

    Just remember, the World Wide Web is the most prevalent service running on the Internet. The Internet is much, much more than that though!

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    "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." G.W.Bush
    1. Re:Just because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems to me that its not the software that is broken, it is the people who are screwing it up that are broken.

  33. How many users? by xiando · · Score: 1

    That is what I would like to know: How many new people (w/valid credit card) get connected to the Internet every day? It is nice with Netcraft information on how much the competition is increasing every day, but what would be more fun to know is how many New Pepole get on the net daily? Does anyone know?

  34. Re: Construction never ends by xiando · · Score: 1

    A website which is static over time is no fun and will not gain a wide audience. That is why all websites generally are in a state of permanent construction. Putting those stupid under construction pictures on sites is just tragic, they should be banned from the Internet immediately.

  35. dot-spam :) by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 1

    I like the way you think.

    What we need is a new TLD, and have all the Spammers get their domains under it. It's easy to block, it's easy for parents to protect their kids from V!a-G-i-kra.

    (FYI: This was the same argument for .xxx)
    -M

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    1. Re:dot-spam :) by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      It won't work. Adult sites and .xxx may work, since the vast majority of adult sites i've come across make huge efforts to keep themselves above board and easily filtered, so .xxx makes sense.

      But .spam? It would just get blocked at every level and there is no good reason for spammers to use it.

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      How many people can read hex if only you and dead people can read hex?
  36. Please mod that one up! by Black+Handle · · Score: 0

    Come on. It's funny.

  37. I really hate domain squatters... by seanvaandering · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I can relate completely to this point. Last month I wanted to register vaandering.com - so I waited, patiently until the domain expired. Then there's the extra 15 days or so where the original owner can get last dibs on the domain before it gets tossed back into the pile. Well I went on holidays and came back to seeing my domain REGISTERED again! Imagine my surprise when I see it registered to BuyDomains! A well-known domain squatting business. Now this is my legal name, whether or not they want to display it as vaandeRing.com - they're sole purpose is to try and make a quick grand off domains... Why heres the fine print if your interested in buying a domain from them...

    By submitting this price request, I understand that the quoted price will be at least $1,000 and may be over $10,000. The quoted price is a fixed, one-time only fee that will be valid for 7 days. This is not an auction. I understand the pricing terms and am prepared to spend at least $1,000 for this domain.

    Isn't this bordering on the illegal? Theres no way im paying $1000 to register my name, its absolutely rediculous, and they advertise that they have over 475,000 'quality' domain names. Good lord...
    1. Re:I really hate domain squatters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this much different from an "investor" buying an entire condo building or development and then flipping them at twice the price?

      If people didn't buy names from these sites, they wouldn't exist.

      But for every X number of domains they squat, at least one is valuable enough to some person to pay that money.

  38. The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does that include zombies?

  39. I think the problem is Google by MichaelPenne · · Score: 1

    I rememeber the days when lycos was the search site. Then it started returning garbage with the first big wave of net commercialization (damn you, Bob Davis!).

    Then I found this little search site with an odd name just a demo on a stanford.edu webserver when I first found it, that returned much more relevant results.

    But then yahoo search results started getting overwhelmed with garbage, and I turned to another little project out of stanford. And that one has a good run, staying ahead of the garbage pretty well until the last year or so.

    But now Google's a victim of it's own success, entire industries are devoted to hacking it's search algos, meanwhile (like yahoo before it) it's pouring it's development $ in directions other than it's original core 'killrapp'.

    And now we desperately need a newer, better, search engine, but I think maybe not a new web...

  40. Say it ain't so by nounderscores · · Score: 1

    Oh No! Netcraft confirmed that BSD is dying!

  41. Net or Gross? by wfberg · · Score: 1

    With sites like rotten.com do you refer to the web growing as "Net" growth or "Gross" growth?

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  42. Please use links! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Please use links:
    If there are two hundred domain names of the form http://hot-sex-women-frankenfurter.com/ that all redirect to http://teenzexpozed.com/, does that count as one, or two hundred?
    BTW, neither link works.
    1. Re:Please use links! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Links are broken. Fucking tease. I was hoping to find pr0n. Anybody know where I can find me some nekkid pr0n?

  43. You seem to have "loost" your ability to spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the whole damn thing going to collapse

    "the whole damn thing is going to collapse"

    almost a arrogance

    "an".

    if they don't loose that attitude

    "lose".

  44. How does Netcraft define "relevance"?! by krygny · · Score: 1

    Why do they continue to plot the NCSA server share when it flatlined 5 years ago?

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    Research shows that 67% of those who use the term "research shows", are just making shit up.
  45. sitting domains by Dog135 · · Score: 1

    I think what the parent was referring to is domain names that are just sat on in case anyone wants to buy it.

    I recently went domain name hunting and found many good names I wanted to use, but they were all being used by blank pages. Pages that say "under construction" and that's it. And that's all that ever will be until someone buys them from the owner.

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    "That's so plausible, I can't believe it!" - Leela
  46. More expensive domain names needed by Animats · · Score: 1

    Any entity (person, corporation, or partnership) should be able to get one domain name cheaply. After that, ICANN should impose a charge of about $250 per year, to kill off those "link farm" operations.