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Suite web browser.
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Re:well...
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Re:links
Well, you can still download it and find out!
(yeah, I was kind of amazed too).
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Re:Thank your neighborhood republican
AOL's not dead.
I still use their Netscape-branded dialup for $6 a month - http://isp.netscape.com/
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Re:And Yet, No Ogg Theora in IE
It's used on most of the sites I visit. Like the homepage I've used for 5+ years and is almost nothing but GIFs - http://isp.netscape.com./ There are a lot of GIFs in other locations as well, all free of patent restrictions and just as open as PNG codec.
At the time of GIF the whole thing with patents was a fairly new problem, which appeared quite late. And most Linux distros worked around by simply making uncompressed GIFs. It's not exactly comparable to video.
Also I guess the stats vary, but for me it's PNG everywhere.
That's true, but listener tests show people can't hear the difference between 48k AACplus and ~1400k lossless CD. Hence the term "CD quality". Perhaps I should have added the word 'perceived' to clarify? In any case, neither MP3 or Theora can match it. They sound like ___ compared to a 48k AACplus stream.
Got some test results? I found an AAC+ stream at 48k and wasn't that impressed. Sure it sounds decent, but there still seems to be something missing.
Also, of course Theora can't match it. Theora is a video codec, audio is encoded in Vorbis.
That's true but it looks almost as crappy as MPEG2.
I've seen it on youtube for instance, and I can't really tell the difference. If you know of a good comparison site, do tell. I linked to one, and it seems to win in some cases and lose in others. Overall to me it averages to about the same.
I simply don't want to use an inferior codec, okay? Am I allowed to make my OWN fucking choice??? (Apparently not, and thus I got modded "idiiot".)
I don't see how your "OWN fucking choice" involves telling other people what they ought to use. Nobody is saying it should be illegal for you to download an H.264 player or anything like that.
The web should standarize on WebM so that absolutely everybody who wants to can implement it without dealing with royalty payments, and if somebody especially likes paying licensing fees, they can go download a player/encoder for that. There's your choice.
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Re:And Yet, No Ogg Theora in IE
>>>GIF isn't used all that much.
It's used on most of the sites I visit. Like the homepage I've used for 5+ years and is almost nothing but GIFs - http://isp.netscape.com./ There are a lot of GIFs in other locations as well, all free of patent restrictions and just as open as PNG codec.
.>>>48k is not CD quality in any case because it's lossy
That's true, but listener tests show people can't hear the difference between 48k AACplus and ~1400k lossless CD. Hence the term "CD quality". Perhaps I should have added the word 'perceived' to clarify? In any case, neither MP3 or Theora can match it. They sound like ___ compared to a 48k AACplus stream.
.>>>VP8 is as "pro" as any other codec
That's true but it looks almost as crappy as MPEG2. I simply don't want to use an inferior codec, okay? Am I allowed to make my OWN fucking choice??? (Apparently not, and thus I got modded "idiiot".)
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Re:What's the Catch?
>>>are they charging an arm and a leg? I mean, I know they're Not for Profit, but that doesn't always meant they offer all services free. If they ARE offering it for free... I can't help but wonder what their angle is.
>>>I don't know why you're surprised. DIALUP internet only costs me $7/month. Netzero and Juno offer it for free (see links below). It's not that much of a burden for the Non-profit ISP to offer free access to egyptians.
And the datarate is only ~30 kbit/s via analog lines, so you could carry over 300 users in the space of one DSL or cable customer.
http://www.juno.com/start/landing.do?page=www/free/index
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Re:What's the Catch?
P.S.
Correction - Dialup is FREE from Netzero or Juno. It's so old and slow that it's virtually no burden at all for an ISP to offer free service:
http://www.juno.com/start/landing.do?page=www/free/index
http://isp.netscape.com/Now that would be ironic -- a revolution that takes place at 56Kbps. Holy AOL, Batman.
Doesn't surprise me. Dialup is a poor choice for watching youtube, but perfectly fine for accessing the internet if you're only interested in sharing text and images with the outside world.
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Re:What would you do?
>>>Netscape? They pretty well killed that brand off years ago.
Nope. Netscape's portal page still exists (see below). It costs me $7 a month for accelerated dialup access. The actual browser was only discontinued two years ago (March 2008).
http://isp.netscape.com/
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Re:Google is catching on fast
Microsoft has both of them beat with IE 6.
That's nothing - Netscape was already at 9.x in 2007!
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Re:Why...
Harder than using XUL (which has Javascript in it) with XULConnect and XPCOM.
In other words, using Javascript is harder than... using Javascript? WTF?
I don't see what XULConnect or XPCOM add, API-wise, to make sensing mouse movements any easier or more accurate than DOM events. I don't see what XUL XML adds to the situation at all.
Not all Javascript functions can be bound the Chrome API.
I'll try to put this as gently as possible...
Use complete sentences, please. I have no clue what you meant just then.
And, if you're saying what I think you're saying, please provide an example of a Javascript feature which is not available in Chrome extensions, and where it is available. If you use the words XUL or XPCOM in your answer, remember that we were talking about Javascript features here, not Firefox-specific features.
I'm pretty sure Chrome extensions have access to the same valid EcmaScript engine that webpages do, when viewed in Chrome.
And why is then Chrome did not use HTML to render its UI?
Actually, I don't know, but I am seriously considering writing a browser that does just that.
But again, it does use HTML to render pieces of its UI. What isn't done by HTML isn't much -- just the tab bar and the config pages, really. Even the download manager is HTML.
Chromium != Google Chrome. It is like saying Google Chrome == Safari just because they use WebKit.
*facepalm*
Actually, Chromium is Google Chrome. It lacks exactly two things found in Google Chrome:
- Branding
- Codecs
And you can still use ffmpeg codecs, it's just not legal -- whereas Google actually does have licenses to things like h.264, etc.
Chromium is more Google Chrome than Mozilla was Netscape, because Netscape really did add a ton of proprietary features on top of Mozilla -- things like spellcheck, which Mozilla had to write their own version of.
Then please explain why after 1 year and three major version in Windows, why Google Chrome (not derivatives like Chromium)
Chromium is exactly as much a derivative of Chrome as Mozilla is a "derivative" of Firefox. (Hint: It's the other way around.)
But please explain why it matters whether it's Chrome or Chromium. If the supposed issue is using C++ and Google's portable graphics API, shouldn't this affect Chromium as much as it affects Chrome?
Is it really that hard to make a port?
It is when you ignore facts, and continue to make statements like this:
When Firefox 1 was released, it is already available for Linux and OS X.
I don't believe there was an OS X port of the original Phoenix browser when its developer previews were released. And remember, this was a fork of Mozilla, which was already cross-platform. And it was a fork which removed things, so it should've been easier to port, if anything.
Netscape is not written by Mozilla, Netscape is written by Netscape Communication.
However, the original Mozilla was open source code that came from Netscape. I'm talking about Mozilla the browser, not the Mozilla Foundation.
Netscape doesn't even use XUL until version 6 (prior to that Netscape is completely C++)
Indeed, because XUL was one of the first innovations of Mozilla, which Netscape 6 was built on.
XUL was chosen because using it will simplify Mozilla's heavy burden of making Firefox/Seamonkey cross-platform friendly.
Yet Netscape (and Mozilla) were already massively portable before XUL. Maybe XUL made it easier going forward, but it certainly wasn't needed.
I do have to admit that I was wrong about XUL being required for that portability -- meaning it was
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WARNING: JEWISH SPIES DETECTED
The OP is a spy intended to make a Jew-controlled New World Order.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WErZ2R4a5I
Time to resist! SAY NO TO JEW WORLD ORDER!
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Re:Uh ohDisco-era? FTP?! Hmmm... last I checked, FTP was one of the world's most widely used file transfer protocols.
- ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape9/en-US/9.0/unix/linux/netscape-navigator-9.0.0.6.tar.gz
- ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.20/2.20.3/
- ftp://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/
... and so on. - ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape9/en-US/9.0/unix/linux/netscape-navigator-9.0.0.6.tar.gz
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Re:Who cares
Except that WMP was included in windows many years before Real was ever founded.
Congratulations, you've been suckered by Microsoft's intentionally confusing naming scheme. To give you an idea of the grave error you have just committed, a good comparison would be to point at FileMan from Windows 3.1 and say that Microsoft has had a web browser FOREVER. Just as Windows Explorer != Internet Explorer, Media Player != Windows Media Player. In fact, WMP was predated by ActiveMovie, Microsoft's first real attempt at streaming video playback.Netscape was the first to give away their browser.
What is it with Slashdotters and bad history today? Is this "make up history as we go" day and someone forgot to tell me? Or is it national unencyclopedia month?
Netscape gave away their browser to non-profit entities like students. Corporations had to pay to use the browser as late as 1998. In fact, I happen to have the press release right here that made Navigator a free product:MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (January 22, 1998) -- In addition, the company is making its currently available Netscape Navigator and Communicator Standard Edition 4.0 software products immediately free for all users. With this action, Netscape makes it easier than ever for individuals at home, at school or at work to choose the world's most popular Internet client software as their preferred interface to the Internet.
Real's offerings just SUCKED
And if you had actually read my post, you'd know that it doesn't actually matter. But I will add this: Netscape, Real, Eudora, WinSock, etc. were all pioneers of the Internet age. No one had given them roadmaps to follow, so they pretty much had to make it up as they went along. (And keep in mind that these companies were born in the fires of Unix, not Windows.) Microsoft was able to swoop in and provide a better experience by way of bundling their product. They were able to learn from all the mistakes of their predecessors, then use their market power to CRUSH them.
Even worse? Microsoft didn't write Internet Explorer. They obtained the source code to a competitor of Netscape's called "Spyglass". Their deal with Spyglass was that Spyglass would get a tiny sum up front in exchange for long-term royalties. Of course, Microsoft gave Internet Explorer away, so they refused to pay Spyglass any royalties. How's that for anti-competitive behavior? -
Fixed It For You
THERE! fixed it for you:
http://archive.netscape.com/history
AOL has a long checkered history on the internet, of being the home of clueless users, being one of the first companies to really get people online and then cutting their connection every 10 minutes. Throughout AOL's lifetime, it has been involved with a number of high profile scandals, perhaps the largest of which was the 1999 hostile takeover of the Netscape Communications Corporation. Netscape was known to many as the leader in web browsing at the time, and had developed a number of complementary pieces of software that allowed for a rich suite of internet tools. That had to be stopped. So, as we continued to use an IE back end for our AOL branded browser, we were then allowed to, at our leisure, slowly and quietly strangle the Netscape suite in to irrelevance.
At the time of the acquisition, the newly demoralized Netscape team had been working on converting their flagship product - the Netscape Communicator web suite - into open source software, under a new name: Mozilla in a foolish bid to attempt to minimize what they (correctly) perceived as a move to kill the legendary browser. AOL played a significant role in the launch of the NEW IMPROVED(TM) Netscape 6 browser, the first Mozilla-based, Netscape-branded browser that was released in 2000 and continued to solely fund the development and marketing efforts of Netscape-branded browsers. In 2003, an "independent foundation" was created to support the continued development of the open source web suite. AOL was a major source of interference for the Mozilla Foundation and the company continued to develop versions of the Netscape browser based on the work of the "foundation".
While internal groups within AOL have invested a great deal of time and energy in attempting to sabotage the now, beleaguered Netscape Navigator, these efforts have not been totally successful. Gaining market share from Microsoft's Internet Explorer had to be ultimately crushed (mainly because the Netscape developers were, as we perceived, "weenies"). Recently, support for the Netscape browser has been limited to a handful of former Microsoft "engineers" tasked with stuffing the browser with obsfucated bloat and then creating a skinned version of Firefox with a few extensions.
AOL's focus on transitioning to an ad-supported web business leaves little room for the size of investment needed to get the Netscape browser to a point many of its fans expect it to be. Given AOL's current business focus of providing ad riddled social site rip offs and, with the success the Mozilla Foundation has had in developing critically-acclaimed products, we feel it's the right time to end development of Netscape branded browsers forever, hand the reins fully to Mozilla and encourage Netscape users to adopt Firefox. Because, mainly, we've been unsuccessful at infiltrating that organization at this time.
To our shareholders: This day has been long in arriving, and looking back (mission accomplished) - it was WORTH IT!
The King is dead - long live the King.
Windows Internet Explorer:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9ae91ebe-3385-447c-8a30-081805b2f90b&DisplayLang=en -
Netscape really had a soul
Back when I first started browsing with Netscape 1.0, it really appealed to me because of the obvious fun the developers were having.
Take for example the Amazing Netscape Fish Cam
http://wp.netscape.com/fishcam/
You used to be able to hit ctrl-alt-f and it would load up a webcam with their office aquarium. -
Netscape
Does anybody find it odd that the FCC website recomends Netscape as their browser of choice and then sends you to a link which forwards to http://netscape.aol.com/ that has no means of downloading Netscape? Then when you dig further you find this article recomending migrating to Mozilla Firefox.
Really can we trust the FCC to get anything right? Also am I the only one who was confused by that page that is supposed to describe how to comment? -
Complete Netscape archive here
Pick you favorite version for your favorite OS here:
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Re:Do you also welcome AJAX hosts holding your dat
Please check thy facts, kind sir. Javascript was conceived of as a Java-like script language. A poor man's Java for those that found object oriented concepts a little too brain intensive. Thrown in the first netscape browser to allow a little customisation of the DOM on the fly, for things that then then HTML 3 couldn't do properly.
You may be surprised to know that I am well in possession of the facts. I used to believe that Javascript (formerly Livescript, formerly Mocha) got its name in simply a cross-branding deal. In fact, it was far more complex than that. Javascript was created to script Java as well as the DOM. The original concept would have blown today's AJAX out of the water in usability. Alas, it was not to be.
Here's more history for you: http://safari.oreilly.com/0768666775/ch01lev1sec1
Also, here's a bit of Javascript for you, demonstrating how powerful it was intended to be:<script>
var myobj = Packages.javax.swing.JOptionPane;
var Frame = java.awt.Frame;
var frame = new Frame();
frame.show();
myobj.showConfirmDialog(frame, "Hello from Java! See Ma? No applet!");
frame.hide();
</script>(That will work in FireFox with a recent Java plugin. I guarantee that it will not work on Internet Explorer.)
You have to remember, Java already existed in the browser when Javascript was created. Netscape internally discussed just using Java itself for scripting, but decided that a new, more dynamic scripting language would be more useful. (Source) Thus the birth of Javascript. Eich described the first revision as "having gotten out of the lab a bit earlier than intended". Javascript 1.1 was much closer to his vision, and what we think of today when we talk about Javascript.
You also need to understand that the Javascript language went beyond just the browser. Much of its development was driven by its use as a server-side CGI language. So it became a "real" language very quickly, despite its slow start.
And if you think that's cool, remind me sometime to tell you about how multipart/x-mixed-replace could have been server-side push long before AJAX, Comet, or <event-source> ever existed. ;)Javascript is not an object oriented language.
Incorrect. Prototype-based languages are very much OO languages. They're different from class-based, languages, but that doesn't make them any less powerful.
There is no polymorphesm
I think you misunderstand the very meaning of polymorphism if you believe that.
Here's the "Runnable" interface implemented in Javascript:var MyObject1() {}
MyObject1.prototype.run = function() { alert("Running 1!"); }
var MyObject2() {}
MyObject2.prototype.run = function() { alert("Running 2!"); }
var objarray = [new MyObject1(), new MyObject2()];
for(var i=0; i<objarray.length; i++) objarray.run();The polymorphism appears to work fine?
or inheritance
Funny, Netscape's Client Guide has an entire chapter on that.
strong type checking
Strong typing is not a OOP requirement. It is a feature of some languages. Nothing more, nothing less. In any case, Javascript actually has quite a few typing fe
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Re:DRM strikes again?
Actually, Bush has plenty of time to listen to all the slashdot crowd complain. He spent so far 418 days of his 6.5+ years of presidency in vacation. See : http://politics.netscape.com/story/2007/08/10/bus
h -creeping-up-on-reagan-as-the-vacation-president
Now I don't think Vista is slowing down network traffic while listening to music to send hash-info about what you are listening to the RIAA, because : I don't think the RIAA would be smart enough to think of that or know what to do with hash-info, let alone info. But it's just my opinion, while we may not have the source code of Vista to know what it is doing, I'm pretty sure it's either somewhere in the EULA :P, or VISTA is just defective by desing. -
Re:Can't we do all this stuff already?
"Which, assuming you want to support IE users, means no."
You can support IE users
... just inlcude links to the download pages for Opera, Firefox, Netscape, Safari, etc.Better yet, give them full support - have them download a bootable linux distro to replace Vista Millennium.
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Re:Apollo 11 Tapes?
I had thought they found them - the dude who produced Dark Side of the Moon had them in his vault.
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what's new?Well before the sites mentioned in the WSJ article, the folks at UIUC NCSA (who begat Mosaic, from which sprung Netscape, Mozilla, and Firefox), had a What's New site that did what indexed the best of the web (which the article describes as the orignin of blogging), but UIUC started doing it in 1993 - that's even before Yahoo.
The NCSA What's New index does not seem to be archived any longer at UIUC, but rather at Netscape. That's puzzling to me, since I think it's an absolutely essential part of the history of the growth of the web.
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Re:Slashdot sucks?
A quick google search will help you there. http://www.google.com/search?q=john+stewart+quest
i on+mark+news&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf- 8
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Re:Still a good thing
Actually I've been playing with this "new" Netscape Navigator for a few hours now. I really like it; I think the theme is pleasant, and some of the features are "why didn't I think of that" type stuff I actually find myself using instead of disabling. I'm sure most if what it offers could be replicated via FF+extensions, but it is also nice to have it all in one package.
I'm going to give this browser an honest run. For me, like many people (from what I hear), FF 2.0 wasn't a big step in the right direction from FF 1.5. Navigator 9.0b really offers some neat functionality and I have yet to find any big showstoppers or extra cruft. In my mind, what FF 2.0 should have been if they were going to add features to FF 1.5.
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Netscape ISP
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Turn Firefox into Netscape
Yes, this is basically just a slightly modded version of Firefox. They have a link from http://browser.netscape.com/ to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/user/568
3 6 if you want to add their stuff to your Firefox. I'm not sure on the details, but this should give you at least some of the benefits of Netscape without having to use their full product. -
No mail or composer since Netscape 7
This release will no longer ship with mail or composer but does have...
Didn't Netscape drop mail and composer a while back? Let's see...
From Netscape's Browser FAQ (emphasize is mine):
Does Netscape Navigator 9 include a mail client/HTML composer/newsreader/...?
No. Navigator 9 is a standalone browser; Netscape 7 is the most recent browser suite produced by Netscape.If I recall correctly, Netscape 7 was based on the Mozilla suite (now known as SeaMonkey) and included those components, and with version 8, they based it on Firefox (which never included mail and composer) and went back to calling it "Navigator".
You'd think that "journalists" might research their stories a little bit.
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Re:obvious
Every story I can find about DRM-free content from Amazon has come after Apple's DRM-free deal with EMI.
Well, you're not not searching very hard, are you? Amazon has been talking about it for 6 months. -
Moroccan Spanish Tunnel
What about the tunnel they keep proposing between Morocco and Spain
.. err. I mean "Occupied al-Andalus"?
http://news.netscape.com/story/2007/03/07/spain-an d-morrroco-agree-to-buid-underwater-train-tunnel/ -
Re:Before all the lame bashing..
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It's been done
Netscape tried something like this ten years ago. I think it was called Aurora and was to be a desktop environment - I saw some screenshots in Byte magazine of the time. Eventually it shrivelled down to some browser extensions and was included in the original Mozilla Navigator source release in early 1998. You can still see the Aurora Overview on Netscape's 'future products' page - though the screenshots don't have much relevance.
The Byte article also mentioned that one of the head guys at Netscape had instituted a one dollar fine every time an employee called Netscape a web browser. 'It's not a web browser, it's an operating system!'. This was very soon before Netscape's downfall at the hands of Microsoft. -
Re:Mozilla makes $50 million a yearMozilla doesn't just make "some money", it makes $50 million a year from firefox.
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Mozilla makes $50 million a year
Mozilla doesn't just make "some money", it makes $50 million a year from firefox.
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Re:Is this the best they can do?
Glad to hear that the current 2.x stuff is not affected. I'm using FF 2.0.0.1 now, in my knoppix remaster (see screenshots below), and have other things I need to be doing with the remaster than upgrading FF. I do, however, jump on it and upgrade the browsers whenever they have new versions out. With Firefox, I put 9 RSS feeds on the toolbar by default, and for it's home page, I use a local version of this one, but with a slide-out ~/ menu setup, for browsing the
/ramdisk.
I notice that Netscape 9 for linux may be released in a couple of months. I'll try it out. Since I usually run my knoppix remaster with a 1 or 2 GB "persistent home" partition, I can easily download it and have it up and running in a few minutes, and can keep it around for a while to see how it does compared to Flock, Firefox and Opera. If it has anything to offer, and is not loaded up with AOL stuff, I might put it in the CD. I still use Netscape 4 on a Macintosh Quadra 660AV, and it seems to do a better job with the web pages than icab 2.99.
That version is free, with no time limit, since it is for older Mac systems. Downloads quickly and installs automatically, however. Just a little disappointed in how many of the web pages look, so I tend to stick with Netscape.
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Re:Free advertisement.. er.. low cost.
And even more bad that the two poor schmucks working for the ad agency are still charged with crimes. They should be set free, and whatever moron phoned in a litebrite as a "bomb" (and the corresponding police moron who agreed with him) should be looking at potential liability.
The two knuckleheads that hung these things up did not do themselves any favors with their idiot behavior during and after their preliminary hearings. When this story first hit, most people where of the frame of mind that these were just a couple of college kids hired by the ad agency and were just trying to make a few bucks. After seeing them outside the courthouse mocking the whole thing and telling reporters that they would only answer hair-related questions, most people lost any sort of sympathy for these two idiots. The prevailing feeling in and around Boston is summed up by local reporter and talk-show host Howie Carr. I don't think that these two clowns garnered themselves any support by acting the way they did. If they had shown any remorse or issued any sort of apology, they would have been fine. The worst that they would have faced (and rightly so) would have maybe been a fine for trespassing and/or littering. Instead, Borat may end up deported back to Belarus and his buddy could end up in Federal pound-me-in-the-ass-prison.
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Re:What is the point?
What will NS9 that Firefox, maybe with one or two extensions installed, cannot do?
For starters, improvements to the core of the browser. If we only wanted Netscape to be Firefox with a few extensions, we would have already released it as Firefox with a few extensions. I'm not at liberty to discuss here what else there will be, but I do blog a progress update/feature teaser every Tuesday at the Netscape blog.
One thing I can guarantee: Netscape 9 will not force you to supply a zipcode when you install it. That's one Netscape 8 mistake it will definitely undo.
Christopher Finke
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Yes the Netscape Dev Team is working on Netscape 9
I'm not sure why the cryptic title was chosen, of course Netscape 9 will be better than Netscape 8. *smile* The new browser will be integrated with our social news system that has been live on Netscape.com since July 2006, and yes, the browser will run on Linux (as well as Windows and Mac).
I am one of the Anchors on Netscape http://www.netscape.com/about, and not directly part of the dev team, but I am sure members of our dev team will have plenty to comment on this thread once they are awake.
Fabienne Serriere
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Re:Is Netscape still taken serious?
To me it seems Netscape has lost his reputation as best browser. Mozilla Firefox is the more used browser these days. For Netscape it is very hard to gain market share with a suit. Still brave of Netscape though.
Is it taken seriously?
V8.12 comes with "WeatherBug" among other things. I don't know if it's a full version of Weatherbug or the spyware infected version, but i'm willing to guess it's the spyware infected version.
How seriously would you take software bundled with "WeatherBug".
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The story of XmlHttpThere seems to be a difference of opinion of how AJAX came to be, according to the developer that actually implemented the first prototype:
http://www.alexhopmann.com/xmlhttp.htm
The work to create what became known as XmlHTTP was done by folks in the Outlook Web Access, and it was a gradual development, it did not come in the form of a spec by a third party group, but some brainstorming and mixed ideas as those developers were trying to build OWA (they were using clever post backs at the time), he describes it as:At some point Brian Valentine (who was still the GM of Exchange at the time) asked us to figure out what to do with OWA for Exchange 2000. There were two implementations that got started, one based on serving up straight web pages as efficiently as possible with straight HTML, and another one that started playing with the cool user interface you could build with DHTML. When I first got a demo of the DHTML work that Jim Van Eaton and Bob Gering were doing I was just blown away. However they were basically doing hacky form-posts back to the server and had some of the same scalability and dynamic data problems of the old version.
The guy that implemented the feature joined Microsoft in 1997, and would not start working on it until 1998 and the work did not start until 1998 (he said "probably in late 1998"). In fact, according to that history, they had to scramble to get the feature into IE5 (finally released in March 1999):Meanwhile the IE project was just weeks away from beta 2 which was their last beta before the release. This was the good-old-days when critical features were crammed in just days before a release, but this was still cutting it close. I realized that the MSXML library shipped with IE and I had some good contacts over in the XML team who would probably help out- I got in touch with Jean Paoli who was running that team at the time and we pretty quickly struck a deal to ship the thing as part of the MSXML library. Which is the real explanation of where the name XMLHTTP comes from- the thing is mostly about HTTP and doesn't have any specific tie to XML other than that was the easiest excuse for shipping it so I needed to cram XML into the name (plus- XML was the hot technology at the time and it seemed like some good marketing for the component).
Which is at odds with Bosworth's claim that they helped invent AJAX in 96-97.
Like many people at the time, the idea of calling code on the server was around, Netscape even shipped in 1997 shipped a browser that contained an IIOP client (IIOP is a binary protocol, part of CORBA) that allowed the browser to communicate with IIOP servers on the other end:
http://cgi.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease389. htmlForté and Netscape have already begun work on this seamless access. Forté has exposed its services to IIOP and is working with Netscape to allow Visual JavaScript to call these and other IIOP-components. Using Netscape Visual JavaScript, enterprise developers can rapidly build Crossware, a new category of on-demand applications that run across networks, operating systems and platforms and are based on open standards. Crossware is an ideal mechanism for customers to take advantage of the distributed functionality of Forté applications within an Intranet or Extranet environment.
This was part of the "Netscape ONE" an effort to create a fully web-based development platform.
At the time Netscape was touting the benefits of using this new API as a way of building rich applications. So the idea predated Microsoft and Bosworth, but never got mass adoption.
So who came up with the idea first is hard to tell. But it seems obvious that Ajax did not originate within Bosworth's own team in the 96-97 time frame, but in another team: the Exchange group in late 1998 to 1999.
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Re:Why haven't these fascist assholes been impeach
Chavez not renewing license of station critical of him
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6215815.stm
Chavez rule by decree
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070119/ap_on_re_la_am _ca/venezuela_chavez
Chavez changing constitution to remove presidential term limit
http://news.netscape.com/story/2007/01/11/chavez-w ould-abolish-presidential-term-limit
Chavez' laughable claim of US Invasion plans. Like no one else would notice some aircraft carriers floating off Venezuela.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4359386.stm -
Re:RedirectAnd any dev who codes his app to check a file like this every day instead of caching it client-side should be smacked oh-my-god-so-frickin-hard.
Ironic because Netscape is guilty of this poor practive themselves. I have an old sun u2 box that I recently revived. I had a copy of netscape messaging server/netscape enterprise server on it (used by the isp where I worked at the time). I wanted to archive some old mail off of it before I wiped the drive. I couldn't start it up because there were so many files containing references to http://developer.netscape.com/products/servers/en
t erprise/dtds/nes-webapps_6_1.dtd which of course doesn't even exist. Couldn't even start up until I replaced all references to that file with local file uri links. -
Resolved
The file is now restored, but it will not be available forever. See this post at the Netscape blog for the full details.
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Re:You gotta be kidding me...
I can't speak for the pre-2006 Netscape, but as far as the current Netscape organization is concerned, I have to disagree with you regarding transparency.
* The former GM, Jason Calacanis, blogged extensively about Netscape and encouraged other employees to do the same. He also called out other industry big-wigs for "not having time" to blog about their product.
* Many Netscape Anchors, Navigators, and developers have an active blog where they write about Netscape and/or are available to discuss it.
* There is the official Netscape blog where we detail new and/or upcoming features and ask for discussion and feedback.
* Netscape.com holds a weekly chat when there is guaranteed to be an Anchor in attendance.
* As developers, we are encouraged to be active in the community; we haven't been given any explicit "gag orders," so we're free to speak for Netscape (as I'm doing now) if the need arises.
Can the above be said to be true for Digg, del.icio.us, reddit, etc.? I'd have to say that of all the current players in the social news space, Netscape is one of the most (if not the most) forthcoming and transparent about their operations. -
Re:You gotta be kidding me...
I can't speak for the pre-2006 Netscape, but as far as the current Netscape organization is concerned, I have to disagree with you regarding transparency.
* The former GM, Jason Calacanis, blogged extensively about Netscape and encouraged other employees to do the same. He also called out other industry big-wigs for "not having time" to blog about their product.
* Many Netscape Anchors, Navigators, and developers have an active blog where they write about Netscape and/or are available to discuss it.
* There is the official Netscape blog where we detail new and/or upcoming features and ask for discussion and feedback.
* Netscape.com holds a weekly chat when there is guaranteed to be an Anchor in attendance.
* As developers, we are encouraged to be active in the community; we haven't been given any explicit "gag orders," so we're free to speak for Netscape (as I'm doing now) if the need arises.
Can the above be said to be true for Digg, del.icio.us, reddit, etc.? I'd have to say that of all the current players in the social news space, Netscape is one of the most (if not the most) forthcoming and transparent about their operations. -
Why should anyone contact you?
It is not the first time that Netscape dropped important files and Netscape didn't care in the past. E.g. the RDF schemata http://home.netscape.com/WEB-rdf and http://home.netscape.com/NC-rdf bite the dust some time ago and Netscape gave a fucking fart. Other format specs are also gone for years, but I am to lazy to look up what whent missing years ago.
But hey, from where I sit Netscape is anyhow run by a bunch of liberal arts graduates and doesn't have any technical competence left. -
Why should anyone contact you?
It is not the first time that Netscape dropped important files and Netscape didn't care in the past. E.g. the RDF schemata http://home.netscape.com/WEB-rdf and http://home.netscape.com/NC-rdf bite the dust some time ago and Netscape gave a fucking fart. Other format specs are also gone for years, but I am to lazy to look up what whent missing years ago.
But hey, from where I sit Netscape is anyhow run by a bunch of liberal arts graduates and doesn't have any technical competence left. -
Re:Sorry about that
What's the official way to let you know about this sort of thing?
You're correct that contact information appears to be MIA in the Netscape Help pages; I'll make sure to remedy that ASAP.
For something as serious as this, a user could have checked the profile of one of the Netscape Anchors or developers, where many of them list their screennames or websites, and subsequently, their e-mail addresses. (At least, I know I do.) Alternatively, any Netscape.com member could use Netscape sitemail to contact any of the staff members. Obviously, these are unacceptable for normal circumstances, but I wouldn't call this situation a normal circumstance. -
Sorry about that
my.netscape.com is undergoing a redesign, and when we announced the redesign about 10 days ago, the DNS entry for my.netscape.com was changed to point to the new server where My Netscape will be living. This had the effect of making anything under the old my.netscape.com unavailable, since the only thing public on the new server is a splash page. (Nobody on the team was especially aware of this DTD file since all of the old Netscape employees were let go last year around the time Netscape.com was redeveloped; anybody working at Netscape now was hired since then.)
Now, why this file was living under my.netscape.com is anybody's guess, but we'll have it restored ASAP. I only wish that someone had brought it to our attention so that I didn't have to find out about it from Slashdot.
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Re:Horeshit.....javascript is crap but....horeshit
Javascript is nothing related to Java
It didn't use to be (apart from both of them having C-related syntax and Interweb-related hype), but it is now if you're using Firefox. For example, the following works:
<script> document.write(new java.lang.String("I'm here")); </script>
Don't forget Netscape LiveConnect which allowed Javascript to invoke Java code way back in the 90s.