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Now a Linux development kit for symbian would be nice though.

Yeah, it would, wouldn't it? Why don't you go and download it for free here!

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Your life must be hard, with Nokia forcing you to buy the N-Gage.

If you want a phone that is just a phone, Nokia has made one. It will be available soon.

Don't laugh, one of the upcoming Nokia's will have a flashlight. I am not making that up. It is pretty bright, I've seen it.

And a thermometer. And a calorie-counter.

oh, and bad form I know, but it looks like Nokia got RJ Mical, father of the Lynx on camera, and his current company is developing 3D toolkits for mobile systems.. Amigaheads might also recognize the name..

http://www.n-gage.com/n-gage/gd_tech_spex.html

Some random quotes:
- Full email support (IMAP4, POP3, SMTP, MIME2)
- Tri-band EGSM 900/GSM1800/GSM 1900
- Bluetooth
- Slave USB 1.1. for digital music download from PC
- 64 MB memory card for music

http://press.nokia.com/PR/200302/890630_5.html

Usage times:
- Games up to 3 - 6 h (depending on game type)
- Talk up to 2 - 4 h
- Standby up to 150- 200 h
- Music up to 8 h
- Radio up to 20 h

I dont understand why everyone is trying to jump on the all-in-one unit bandwagon. If I want a cell phone, I want a cell phone, not a bulky handheld that has 50 other functions and is 10 times the price of a standard cell phone.

Not everyone is like you. If they were, camera phones like the Nokia 7650 would be flopping, but in fact they appear to be doing quite well.

Some people want more than just a cellphone.

• 104 MHz ARM processor
• Dimensions: 133h x 69.7w x 19.7d (mm)
• Weight: 135 g
• Display: 176 x 208 pixels, pixel ratio: HxV 1:1
• Active Area: 35 x 41.5 mm
• Color Depth: 4096 colors, 12-bit
• ...

The N-Gage FAQ says that it will support GSM/GPRS for multiplayer gaming in addition to Bluetooth.

N-Gage specs

And back to Excellent for me!

This phone looks like it has a very nice form factor. No word on memory or expandability though.

The girl was alerted to his presence by the noise emitted by the phone camera's shutter. She turned around to catch Hamano with his hands between her legs.

As mobile phone cameras are exclusively digital, there is no "shutter" to be heard.

At least the Nokia 7650 has an option that when enabled will play a sound sample that sounds like a traditional shutter/film camera taking a picture.

When playing Peeping Tom, you'll have to be really stupid to leave that sound option enabled!

Once one gets used to it, text input on a mobile phone is quicker than you can imagine. I managed a 600 word e-mail somehow. But if you are good on a QWERTY keyboard then it won't be too hard to use a phone such as this new Nokia: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,4486,00.html

I have one of those picture phones - a Nokia 7650 to be precise. I have taken numerous pictures with it, but I've never sent a single picture to anyone else's phone. This is because a) no-one else I know has a phone capable of receiving pictures and b) it costs me money. When I want to get a nifty picture off the phone, I transmit it via infra-red to my laptop, and that costs me nothing.

Having a camera built into my mobile (which I carry all the time anyway) is a cool thing, although the picture quality of the 7650 isn't that great. The 640 x 480 res is ok, but the colour quality, sharpness and light response are pretty bad. It's fine for sending a postage-sized image to another phone, but it's not good enough for use as a cheap digicam. When the quality improves a bit (perhaps enough to produce a decent standard-sized print), these devices will be really useful.

The whole messaging aspect depends on everyone else having the capacity to actually receive the pictures you send. Phone manufacturers are already pushing for this, and including the facility to view transmitted images on their new mobiles, even if they don't include a camera.

Apart from the title there is no mention of 3g in the article. Is the author actually looking for a 3g solution (in which case i can't help because 3g is not available in most of the world, including where i live) or was the 3g buzzword just thrown in for good measure ?

(note: the following info is gsm-only because that's all i'm familiar with)

Getting your mail via webmail can only be done if you have a phone that can surf the web like the nokia 9210i (gsm 900/1800 only, old, no gprs), siemens sx45 (again 900/1800 only, kinda old) or the sony ericsson P800 (which works on gsm 1900 and looks way better than the other two). Apart from the cellphone, make sure your gsm network provider supports gprs, because data transfers without it are more painful and more expensive.

If you only need pop3, all you need is a phone with a pop3/imap client (there tons available). Again make sure your network supports gprs.

Of course you could always get phone with decent data capabilities and a pda. If you really want to impress you friends, make sure they both have bluetooth. (bluetooth products: nokia hp/compaq Toshiba

Apart from the title there is no mention of 3g in the article. Is the author actually looking for a 3g solution (in which case i can't help because 3g is not available in most of the world, including where i live) or was the 3g buzzword just thrown in for good measure ?

(note: the following info is gsm-only because that's all i'm familiar with)

Getting your mail via webmail can only be done if you have a phone that can surf the web like the nokia 9210i (gsm 900/1800 only, old, no gprs), siemens sx45 (again 900/1800 only, kinda old) or the sony ericsson P800 (which works on gsm 1900 and looks way better than the other two). Apart from the cellphone, make sure your gsm network provider supports gprs, because data transfers without it are more painful and more expensive.

If you only need pop3, all you need is a phone with a pop3/imap client (there tons available). Again make sure your network supports gprs.

Of course you could always get phone with decent data capabilities and a pda. If you really want to impress you friends, make sure they both have bluetooth. (bluetooth products: nokia hp/compaq Toshiba

Perhaps accessories for this still-in-production phone (Nokia 8850-same product line! same chrome finish!) would work in your 8860. Ask your service center to try to order a battery from Nokia for that phone.

There are a lot of rogue WAP servers out there, and if you know where to go you can download the tones for free, the only thing you have to pay for is airtime, which would be ~30sec-1min (or you can download them to your PC and then PC-Link it to the phone). Also Nokia introduced a MIDI phone about 6 months ago, some of my friends have it and have set up their own WAP servers with MIDI from which they uploaded the song (apparently the PC link to that phone doesent seem to work). But i must admit that the sound is cool! (Ever seen heads turn as someone's phone starts ringing Zelda theme in full MIDI at the top of its digital lungs?)

Here is the link to ONE of the MIDI phones.

Actually, you can already play Civilization on the Nokia 9210 and 9290 - check out this game.

Nokia has the best developer site.
http://www.forum.nokia.com/

Btw, this page should confirm all your suspicions about Colin. Check it!
http://www.colinfahey.com/pounce_nextpage.htm

You can already play MP4 movies on the Nokia 7650.

Nokia's Communicator cellphone has included RealPlayer for at least 1.5 years.

Home Web page of the VRRP working group :: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/vrrp-charter.htm l

VRRP Internet draft :: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-vrr p-spec-v2-06.txt

VRRP for IPv6 :: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-vrr p-ipv6-spec-03.txt

VRRP RFC :: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2338.txt

Email the chair of VRRP :: mailto:Mukesh.Gupta@nokia.com

Mailing list archive :: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/vrrp/*

The Nokia 7650 is in my opinon, the best of the currently available smartphones. It has a stable, open OS, with a nice gui, 4mb ram, internal VGA camera, and a nice display(which is big enough for most PDA-uses while small enough to be economical power-wise). Nokia are even suplying a free Series 60 SDK.

The 3650, which internaly is a triband 7650 with an added MMC memory-expansion port, will be released early 2003, and are in my opinion the best approach for smartphones yet. Ofcourse, some ppl will argue that the Sony Ericson P800 is a better aproach, but in my opinion, it's a souped up PDA with phone functionality, not a true smartphone.

Reviews of the nokia 7650 here, and previews of the Nokia 3650 and the Sony Ericsson P800.

The Nokia 7650 is in my opinon, the best of the currently available smartphones. It has a stable, open OS, with a nice gui, 4mb ram, internal VGA camera, and a nice display(which is big enough for most PDA-uses while small enough to be economical power-wise). Nokia are even suplying a free Series 60 SDK.

The 3650, which internaly is a triband 7650 with an added MMC memory-expansion port, will be released early 2003, and are in my opinion the best approach for smartphones yet. Ofcourse, some ppl will argue that the Sony Ericson P800 is a better aproach, but in my opinion, it's a souped up PDA with phone functionality, not a true smartphone.

Reviews of the nokia 7650 here, and previews of the Nokia 3650 and the Sony Ericsson P800.

The Nokia 7650 is in my opinon, the best of the currently available smartphones. It has a stable, open OS, with a nice gui, 4mb ram, internal VGA camera, and a nice display(which is big enough for most PDA-uses while small enough to be economical power-wise). Nokia are even suplying a free Series 60 SDK.

The 3650, which internaly is a triband 7650 with an added MMC memory-expansion port, will be released early 2003, and are in my opinion the best approach for smartphones yet. Ofcourse, some ppl will argue that the Sony Ericson P800 is a better aproach, but in my opinion, it's a souped up PDA with phone functionality, not a true smartphone.

Reviews of the nokia 7650 here, and previews of the Nokia 3650 and the Sony Ericsson P800.

The Nokia 7650 is in my opinon, the best of the currently available smartphones. It has a stable, open OS, with a nice gui, 4mb ram, internal VGA camera, and a nice display(which is big enough for most PDA-uses while small enough to be economical power-wise). Nokia are even suplying a free Series 60 SDK.

The 3650, which internaly is a triband 7650 with an added MMC memory-expansion port, will be released early 2003, and are in my opinion the best approach for smartphones yet. Ofcourse, some ppl will argue that the Sony Ericson P800 is a better aproach, but in my opinion, it's a souped up PDA with phone functionality, not a true smartphone.

Reviews of the nokia 7650 here, and previews of the Nokia 3650 and the Sony Ericsson P800.

Symbian 60 platform, Bluetooth, Java, etc, etc... As far as I'm concerned, Nokia is the only company who actually pays attention to the UI on a phone. I tries the Sony/Ericsson T68i and it couldn't even keep up with keystrokes while navigating menus. Sounds like the MS Phone is even worse. Maybe it would run better on a 3GHz P4 ;-)

-nate

PS - I don't work for Nokia and don't even own their stock... I've just had about 8 of their phones.

Nokia, Siemens, Ericsson, Sagem, Alcatel, Symbian.
The list could go on. Many, many of the big players in the mobile phone market (phones, network technology, software) are located in. Europe. Europe is a huge market. Not only Italy or Finnland, but also the other big and small countries (DE, FR, GB, ES) have a penetration beyond 60%. There are approximately twice as many mobile phones in Europe as in the US.

And the younger generation wants to do more than just phone someone. SMS, Games, even the number of ringtones or display colors is a very important factor for many customers here.
I believe that while EMS (enhanced message service) was useless like WAP, MMS (multimedia message service) will be used widely. Many people (especially nerds) laugh about these uses but you shouldn't underestimate how much they are accepted by other people. Mobile Multimedia Instant Messaging willl later (with the help of GPRS and UMTS) bring the Internet into the mobile world:
EVERNET. It's not just a marketing hype! If the price is ok (and even if it isn't -> SMS), the (European) customers will use it, because it changes their life so much. For all these features you need software, capable delivering these "services":
You should take a closer look on the Symbian OS v7. It's a well engineered OS with a bright future. One day, at some places in Europe, it might be used more frequently than MS Windows.

We will see who will win this war. One could even call it a war between continents... but this would perhaps be too flamebait. My guess: At the end everyone will find their niche!

I used my cell phone (Nokia 7110) instead, just to keep track of phone numbers and jot down notes. Then I got my Nokia 7650. I carry around a cell phone all day anyway, but this phone also doubles as a very capable PDA. I can even play Doom on it.

The classic PDAs are converging with cell phones to create a new class of devices that people actually do carry around and use everyday. The sheer volume of phones produced by the likes of Nokia and Sony Ericsson will ensure that prices will continue to fall, the devices will become smaller and more capable and the traditional PDAs will morph into cell phones or disappear.

Yeah. Maybe an established UK IT company, familiar with pocketable computer systems, could develop an operating system particularly suited to running on mobile phones and other pocketable devices...

I can't speak for the others, but Nokia isn't using Microsoft's os as they have their own (Symbian) and it seems that most phone-providers are actually switching to this one. Sendo is a good example of this, as told in a previous slashdot story.

The companies that have been using the Windows Smartphone, now known as Windows CE .NET as far as I can tell, have reported a lot of serious problems with the os. It constantly crashes and freezes (no, this is not a joke nor a flame, this is a fact), something that is driving more and more of them over to the Symbian OS.

To conclude, there are many companies that have decided to use the Microsoft alternative, but more and more of these are ditching it in favour of the more commonly used Nokia os.

Not convincing. I would stick to my Communicator for that use. You can do most about everything with it and the SSH client for Symbian/EPOC.

Java exists for Smartcards too

More information

I carry the following:

Palm IIIc: Front left pants pocket

Dell X200 Laptop: Ultra-portable laptop (12")-- I carry this in a RoadWired messenger bag which I take almost everywhere.

Canon S110 digital camera (digital elph): It's in a small pouch attached to the shoulder strap of my laptop bag

Nokia 3360 cellphone: I don't carry this as often, since I don't like cellphones, but if I'm carrying it, it's in the interior jacket pocket.

Panasonic CD player: I have a little cd carrying bag that I sometimes lug around with me if it's a long walk to where I'm going.


Yeah, I like my toys to be small.

Well, my big problem with newer gadgets is that people seem to care more about extra features rather than making them smaller. I have no interest in a PDA that can play MP3s or has 64MB of memory. On the other hand, if you can shrink one down to just the size of the screen (plus a small border) and make them half an inch thick, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Also, make more small phones without movable parts. I don't want to waste my time pulling out an antenna or flipping open my phone. And stop putting features in my phone! I don't need an MP3 player in my phone.

I want small specialized products.

Uhhhh, no. That is, I'm afriad, a bit of a fallacy. Yes, we have bluetooth phones here (and the odd headset - which costs a fortune and makes you look an idiot, hence low take up) but if you think we're all using these devices then I'm afriad you're wrong.

At the moment there are two Nokia phones (7650 and 6310i), one SonyEricsson and probably two others of other makes. This isn't much.

I actually have a theory that Bluetooh won't really start to take off in the UK until Nokia starts supporting it on every single phone.

At the moment they're only putting it into high end mobile phones. Out of the 9 phones they've announced 3 have bluetooth. Whilst this might not sound that bad, one of those is a 3G phone, one of those is a communicator and the other is their top of the range model.

Granted I don't expect the new budget 2110 to have it, but considering the chips are cheap, available and low power - it would make more sense to stick them into all phones.

After all, text messaging didn't become popular by being put on only the most expensive phones. Yes, there was interoperability issues too, but if you want people to use new technology, you can't price it out of the range of the masses.

Also, compare it to the Nokia Cardphone. Works with Linux, too :-)

Nowadays, you walk along and you see a dozen dodgy little shops offering to convert your 8210 LEDs to blue (like the 8250), or white (like the 8310, which I have and is sweet as); how long before an industry springs up in converting mice LEDs to look like models they aren't? Or maybe adding a red LED to your ball mouse, to make it look more l33t ...

Daniel Stone

Nowadays, you walk along and you see a dozen dodgy little shops offering to convert your 8210 LEDs to blue (like the 8250), or white (like the 8310, which I have and is sweet as); how long before an industry springs up in converting mice LEDs to look like models they aren't? Or maybe adding a red LED to your ball mouse, to make it look more l33t ...

Daniel Stone

Nowadays, you walk along and you see a dozen dodgy little shops offering to convert your 8210 LEDs to blue (like the 8250), or white (like the 8310, which I have and is sweet as); how long before an industry springs up in converting mice LEDs to look like models they aren't? Or maybe adding a red LED to your ball mouse, to make it look more l33t ...

Daniel Stone

I have a Nokia 5510 phone and it combines a lot of common Nokia functions along with a QWERTY key layout and a built-in 64Mb MP3 player. I got it mainly for the MP3 player, but I've had nothing but trouble with it since I got it. It quite frequently hangs, the software to get the music on the phone is crap and the case is easily broken.
I think the only positive aspects I can say to go along with this thread is that it does have a selectable equaliser depending on what style you are listening to, and with the hands-free kit on, the phone puts a 'beep' when a text comes through or fades the music and plays your ringtone when you get a call.

In closing (:-P), mixing an mp3 player with a phone in my experience, is not a good thing....in fact, I've just ordered one of the 128Mb players that this thread is all about, even if the postage was $44.00!!

You can always get a Nokia 9000 Communicator for $40.

Then sign up for T-Mobile or Cingular with "PCS data Connect" service for about $40/mo total.

Features web, telnet, ssh, VNC, pop/smtp, Fax, SMS. Plus all the standard PDA features.

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Nokia N-Gage
Nokia N-Gage press release

fixed the url:
Nokia N-Gage
Nokia N-Gage press release

Forum Nokia has a page about their "Open standards" DRM technology...

Could this FINALLY spell the end of the gameboy? Nokia has , especially in Europe, and together with Sega's talent for software, who knows???

http://www.nokia.com/phones/7250/

As opposed to many of the Nokia phones, it is actually possible to buy this one.

Unfortunately, as I understand it, it is not possible to use Voice Dialling with any currently available Bluetooth headset and Nokia phones, which definitely sucks.

Try the 5510 or the music player .. all the music player needs is a phone with the 2.5mm style headset connector.

Try the 5510 or the music player .. all the music player needs is a phone with the 2.5mm style headset connector.

• Nokia 6650
• Sony Ericsson T68i
• Motorola Timeport 270c