Domain: opensourceschools.org
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schoolforge.net? opensourceschools.org?I wonder if http://www.opensourceschools.org/ or http://www.schoolforge.net/ have anything to say?
I think that St Francis Xavier physics http://www.stfx.ca/ was looking at a WiFi system that was pretty inexpensive, and I remember UIUC physics doing some investigation of building their own.
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Windoze in .edu? Bullshit on lower TCO!
With an educational discount, Windows 2003 server costs my department $142 (sure, it's more in a commercial environment), I can install it, set it up, run updates on it once in a while, run the baseline security analyzer on it, and forget about it. Give me a linux that does all this in an easy to use manner, and I'll switch. Sure, I could use apt and the others, but it just takes too much time, and you have to worry about various dependencies and what not.
At $142, that's $142 more you have to spend compared to FOSS solutions. What you've described, proved either that your educational institution is filthy rich and caters only for the rich and snobs, or you're just plain lazy.
Most educational institutions, whether state-run or even privately operated (esp. private with visions of education rather than for profit), are almost always tight budget! This is especially true in third world countries! That is why various bodies such as SchoolForge (and their Case Studies), K12OS, Moodle, OpenSourceSchools, KDE Edutainment Project and a lot more others are being founded and.. surprise! Thrives!
Personally, I love the K12LTSP Project. A branch out of the K12OS Project, which when deployed properly throughout the campus, can provide access to all students to high-grade apps in a very stable environment. Access from any terminal in any labs, authenticating via NIS, LDAP or whatever you prefer and access your mail accounts, website or whatever. With backend support tools available such as MySQL or PgSQL and PHP/Perl (okay, maybe that's a bit far out, but I've met 12 year olds who can code!)
Software cost? $0
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Check out K12 LinuxSome folks here in Portland have built a Linux distro especially for K12. URL is K12Linux.org.
I saw a study about a year ago showing (IIRC) that untrained students and teachers were able to get up to speed on K12Linux in about a week, as opposed to about three weeks using Windows.
There's also links to related projects there, including- Linux Terminal Server Project,
- Open Source Schools magazine, and
- Open Source Classroom
- Simple End User Linux
- SchoolForge
disclaimer: I know almost nothing about any of these. I never got through to K12os.org when I tried just now.
gratuitous plug: I went to Riverdale Grade School a looong time ago, the district where this stuff originated. :O) - Linux Terminal Server Project,
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K12 LinuxPrevious
/. articles have discussed K12Linux, a K12-oriented distribution that by all accounts is very successful both technically and from a "UI" point of view. IIRC, it is a very simplified distribution with only those applications needed, and tuned for easy installation. It also supports the K12 Linux Terminal Server Project, which allows schools to use those old too-slow computers as terminals for a centrally maintained server. Tests on newbie students and faculty found that they got up to speed on this distribution in about a week, substantially faster (for the same level of facility) than on Windows platforms.
The K12Linux.org link also has several other links to other K12 Open Source projects, including:
- SchoolForge.net - "A complete Listing of Open Source groups working with schools."
- Open Source Schools -
for the on-line Journal of Open Source Software in schools - SEUL/edu - "the discussion group for those interested in using Linux for education. This covers all aspects of educational uses of Linux, by teachers, parents, and students."
- K12OS.org - "Discussion forums for help, news and information related to Linux in schools"
- Multnomah ESD - "has successfully moved most of its core network services to Linux." The folks who built the original K12 Linx, AFAIK.
- SchoolForge.net - "A complete Listing of Open Source groups working with schools."
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Starting points for K12 Linux...
Your first stop should be Here
Your second stop should be here
Your third stop should be here
Your forth stop should be here
Your fifth stop should be here
Open Office would be my choice for an office suite (that or Star Office)
KDevelop is a decent enough development suite for use in a school, but with
this age group I would use this
project
For a good teaching language This
is a good place to start.
Hope this helps!
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Linux in SchoolsLinux in schools has been a big movement this past year, and they could probably use some more support.
- Linux Terminal Server Project
- SEUL for Education
- The Open Source Schools Portal
- Schoolforge
- The K12Linux in Schools Project
- The KDE Edutainment Project
I haven't been following these projects so I don't know who's emerged as a good leader, but I believe this kind of work is critical for the advancement of Free Software. Somebody throw up some names, please.
- Linux Terminal Server Project
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There are a flood of resources out there...
The biggest one I can think of is the "linux Terminal Server Project",
ltsp
Which has been adapted to public schools in the form of:
k12ltsp
The linux in education folks have tons of info on doing stuff like this and are very wise about digital divide issues.
Here are some links:
open source schools
School Forge
k12os
SEUL/Edu
Some case studies:
seul dat
There is also Simple End User Linux (SEUL)
SEUL
RedHats "Open Source Now" initiative has listings of people in the area who can help out. They also have a bunch of "why's" and "hows" on their site.
Open Source Now
I should be listed there in the Army of Friends, but have not gotten around to putting myself up. Feel free to contact me at cschwan4@attbi.com, as I am in the Seattle area.
Doing this kind of thing is a great interest of mine, and I work in education to help make these transistions.
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Re:Educational Software on Linux?
- Places to start:
- The K12 Linux in Schools Project has some links and a client/server package of their own.
- Some of theKDE Edutainment software looks promising.
- Open Source Schools carries some in depth discussions of educational software. (Scroll Down and you'll currently see a review of Zope used as a gradebook.)
- The Simple End User Linux people have a large collection of nifty educational applications, and they are currently putting together an iso.
- Schoolforge keeps a small list of educational software. Follow the links there to find things like:
- Blue Linux, a distro that specializes in educational software.
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Re:an interesting site
OpenSourceSchools.org is very informative. Lots of good information reguarding the use of and the software avaliable to others. They are a good resource, Schoolforge.net will be a great place also to find information on the use of Open Source Software in the school systems. There are many great sites for educational software even RedHat has an educational focus. Blue Linux is building a BlueEDU Distribution only for the purpose of Linux in the educational district.
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Northern Territory Schools, Australia
This article on OpenSourceSchools.org relates how Australia's Northern Territory has just completed an installation of state- wide network infrastructure in all schools that is based on Linux LAN servers and makes wide use of open source software. I was very impressed with their accomplishment. They use SquirrelMail (PHP) for the mail, and the network infrastructure is Linux. The desktops are all Win 98 but they do include StarOffice as the productivity app so would save some more cash there.
My experience over the last 3 months of OpenSourceSchools.org is that while a complete takeover of Linux in schools is unlikely, there are many places where costly licensing can be replaces with OS equivalents to great savings. -
an interesting site
you should check out OpenSourceSchools. it's a great site that focuses on Open Source in the education system
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write to Judge Motz - and your representatives
(thanks go to Bill C. from the lugwash list)
Send this to Judge Motz - Wired reports that he's only got 200 complaint letters so far.
U.S. District Judge J. Frederick Motz
Garmatz Federal Courthouse, Suite 4415
101 West Lombard St.
Baltimore, MD 21201
It is my belief that the proposed antitrust settlement with Microsoft
Corporation is not in the best interests of the American people. It
does not protect against future abuses and in fact encourages the
spread of the Microsoft software monopoly by training a vast army of
young people to use their operating system and attendant application
programs to the exclusion of very viable software alternatives.
America is based on freedom of choice; but students in Americas'
public schools can only learn to use computers, an essential skill
for the coming generation of employees, on the products provided to
them. Today, the Dept. of Justice has an opportunity to broaden the
scope of that choice and thus empower generations yet unborn. It also
has the opportunity to cave in to Bill Gates and thus must choose
between greatness and ignominy.
The Northern Territories school district in Australia, with a
population of just over 200,000, finds that it saved $1,000,000 in
the first year alone by using Linux alongside Microsoft products to
provide computer education at all grade levels. This was enough to
allow the school district to purchase an additional 1,000 computers
for distribution in the schools and as loaner units for students (and
their parents) to use at home. In a few short years their children
will be competing, very effectively, on the worldwide intellectual
marketplace against American children whose access to hardware was
hampered by the prohibitive cost imposed by the practice of using
Microsoft products all but exclusively in the public schools. The
Australian experience could have been dramatically more productive
had they used Linux as the operating system on all their computers
but it was a good initial step. The present savings represent its use
in their servers only.
http://opensourceschools.org/article.php?story=2 00 11207001012102
I support the notion that Microsoft should pay its fine in hardware
donations only. It has been brought to my attention that Red Hat
Software of Research Triangle Park, NC, (near Durham, NC) has offered
to provide pro-bono copies of the Linux operating system
corresponding to a Microsoft donation of hardware. It is my desire
that any donation of software that Microsoft might choose to make
would not be included in the proposed settlement but must also be a
pro-bono gesture corresponding to the Red Hat Software offer.
Moreover, any copies of software Microsoft might donate should
require no payment of any sort by the schools at any forward point in
time. It must be a true donation of indefinite duration, just as the
Red Hat offer is. Otherwise, if required to pay, the schools would
eventually have to abandon their training programs for lack of funds
to re-license / upgrade their software.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011120/202744_1.html
While Microsoft Corporation should not be excluded from expressing
generosity, such generosity, expressed as software gifts, only
furthers their ability to monopolize the marketplace and should not
be permitted as a part of the penalty for having followed illegal
practices in the establishment of their dominance in the software
market.
Microsoft has painted itself the champion of choice and freewill
while villifying open-source software as being un-American. I think
it is time for their actions, public and private, to match their very
public words.
Software donations should be no part of the proposed settlement.