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If you MUST use Windows:

http://www.openoffice.org/
http://www.gimp.org/downloads/
http://www.inkscape.org/download/?lang=en

If you're partial to macs you have the same options:

http://www.openoffice.org/
http://www.gimp.org/downloads/
http://www.inkscape.org/download/?lang=en

If you're fed up with Microsoft and don't have a Mac (or if you have a Mac but are tiring of OS X):

http://www.opensuse.org/en/
http://www.kubuntu.org/
http://www.xandros.com/
http://www.centos.org/
http://fedoraproject.org/

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-DVD-i586.iso.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-DVD-x86_64.iso.torrent

I am sharing these, now come and try to sue my ISP. He will be having a laugh. Try go after the originating provider and they will tear you a new one.

It is nice to see that what they wanted was to misinform people about their rights.

Do you really think the ISP is going to favor you over the RIAA? Your faith in ISPs (the people against net-neutrality, the people that wish to impose asinine caps (e.g., Australia)) is fairly astounding.

What do you think is easier, potentially being taken to court by the RIAA (or at the very least, bothered by them) or just disabling your connection?

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-DVD-i586.iso.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-DVD-x86_64.iso.torrent

I am sharing these, now come and try to sue my ISP. He will be having a laugh. Try go after the originating provider and they will tear you a new one.

It is nice to see that what they wanted was to misinform people about their rights.

Do you really think the ISP is going to favor you over the RIAA? Your faith in ISPs (the people against net-neutrality, the people that wish to impose asinine caps (e.g., Australia)) is fairly astounding.

What do you think is easier, potentially being taken to court by the RIAA (or at the very least, bothered by them) or just disabling your connection?

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-DVD-i586.iso.torrent
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-DVD-x86_64.iso.torrent

I am sharing these, now come and try to sue my ISP. He will be having a laugh. Try go after the originating provider and they will tear you a new one.

It is nice to see that what they wanted was to misinform people about their rights.

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-DVD-i586.iso.torrent
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-DVD-x86_64.iso.torrent

I am sharing these, now come and try to sue my ISP. He will be having a laugh. Try go after the originating provider and they will tear you a new one.

It is nice to see that what they wanted was to misinform people about their rights.

From their roadmap: Thu, Dec 18: openSUSE 11.1 public release

http://en.opensuse.org/Buy_openSUSE

It's similar to distcc, but with some notable benefits.

A video card I can't use on XP32 since it can't properly allocate that much VRAM & system RAM at the same time.

That's not necessarily a problem. VRAM doesn't have to be mapped into system RAM, it could be banked like it was back in the Dos/ISA days. It's not really clear whether they do but I did find this

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-multimedia-de/2006-04/msg00012.html

The graphics component of XFree86-DGA is not supported because it
requires a CPU mapping of framebuffer memory. As graphics boards
ship with increasing quantities of video memory, the NVIDIA X
driver has had to switch to a more dynamic memory mapping scheme
that is incompatible with DGA. Furthermore, DGA does not cooperate
with other graphics rendering libraries such as Xlib and OpenGL
because it accesses GPU resources directly.

Which sounds like graphics memory is banked into CPU address space on an NVidia card. It doesn't make any difference in the common case because normal the hardware on the card does the drawing, not the CPU. Using a card like this as a dumb framebuffer for the CPU to draw into is kind of a waste.

About stealing the software: you can steal all my software. In fact I stole it as well from websites like http://software.opensuse.org/

Looking at the layout and behavior, the new taskbar and navigation are more of a openSuSE 11.1 flavor

I would not be surprised with the Novell-MS pact that we see some compiz/opensuse hints in Windows 7. IMO the openSuSE distro is taking off to be a really good enterprise desktop option--much better than a OSX in the long run.

With the beta version of openSUSE 11.1, which I am now testing, I can get even the touch screen mode of my MultiTouch tablet working. Add to it the 3D desktop effects and it blows everyone out the window!

I have two options for you: Mandriva or openSUSE. I have both of them installed and of the two I would prefer openSUSE as it just feels so much better than any other Linux distro. Check the hardware requirements before installing:
openSUSE Hardware Compatibility List
Mandriva Hardware Compatibility List

Note that the anti-phishing feature makes Firefox slow over time.

I was able to install it in openSUSE with Wine 1.1.3.

http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/09/04/google-chrome-on-opensuse/

Linux is communist in a sense because the community 'owns' it, anyone can contribute to it regardless of social class, and the community governs itself without need of outside interferance [sic].
Not all linux developers are treated equally. There is a clear hierarchy in Linus' Linux tree. Greg Kroah-Hartman, for example, has a lot more latitude to contribute than I do (not that I'm complaining, he's earned it).

The social class is scaled on "linux development" ability.

Let's see if RH or SUSE has a business model that works according to this reality.

Not sure about RedHat, but Novell (with openSUSE) activaly sponsors openSUSE and has made it extremely easy to make an openSUSE basded distro

Almost all other tools are included as well, including the Build service which can be downloaded and is used to make the distributions from scratch.

So I would say they are at least very much aware of the reality. Also do not forget that these companies invest people and time in thinks like the kernel, KDE, GNOME and other OSS and Linux related projects.

It will not be the downfall of Linux if those companies go away, but it will leave a serious impact when the developers who are paid to work on Linux won't be doing that anymore.

Let's see if RH or SUSE has a business model that works according to this reality.

Not sure about RedHat, but Novell (with openSUSE) activaly sponsors openSUSE and has made it extremely easy to make an openSUSE basded distro

Almost all other tools are included as well, including the Build service which can be downloaded and is used to make the distributions from scratch.

So I would say they are at least very much aware of the reality. Also do not forget that these companies invest people and time in thinks like the kernel, KDE, GNOME and other OSS and Linux related projects.

It will not be the downfall of Linux if those companies go away, but it will leave a serious impact when the developers who are paid to work on Linux won't be doing that anymore.

openSUSE is also a community distro where Novell is part of that community (as well as the sponsor).

openSUSE is also a community distro where Novell is part of that community (as well as the sponsor).

http://www.debian.org/
http://www.fedoraproject.org/
http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://www.opensuse.org/
http://www.slackware.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/
http://www.freebsd.org/
http://www.openbsd.org/

openSUSE doesn't do upgrades, except security upgrades.

Yes, I'm well aware of this, as I've used (open)SUSE for about 4 years now. Which is why I have got rid of a lot of their apps and started building them from source (even I can do a configure, make, make install, and I've even tweaked a few build scripts here and there when builds have failed because I'm using a newer version of a library or some such thing). While I'm still a long ways from being a true Linux g00r00 (whatever that is), it's got to the point where I don't use RPMs or even depend on YaST for configuring the system anymore (I'm no longer afraid of config files, and I've even built and installed drivers from source, woohoo), and I'm now debating whether my next system upgrades will be to openSUSE 11 or to a source-based distro.

You can also install Firefox 3 form this page. It is the second link. Not sure whether 10.2 can do the on-click install, but you can try to click it and see what happens. Otherwise add the firefox repo in YaST and install from there.

Yes, I know what's on opensuse.org, thanks.

But why should I do that when I can go to mozilla.com, grab the latest binary with the latest security fixes from there, and simply untar it in my ~/bin? (I prefer to use 64-bit binaries on my 64-bit system, as they do seem generally to perform better, but it's not like a religion for me or anything like that.)

Also, even though I'm a longtime Mozilla user - having used Mozilla suite or Firefox as my main browser since Mozilla 0.8.something (2001 IIRC) - I'm not terribly impressed by FF3 so far. Reminds me too much of MSIE.

openSUSE doesn't do upgrades, except security upgrades.
You can also install Firefox 3 form this page. It is the second link. Not sure whether 10.2 can do the on-click install, but you can try to click it and see what happens. Otherwise add the firefox repo in YaST and install from there.

actually there are patches for Novell's 9 Series SUSE that people paid for. instead of the .3 version they used SP3

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-07/msg00003.html

that's the factory repository. As far I understood, and I might be mistaken, that's bleeding edge. You should rather use this one click install http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Extra-Apps/openSUSE_11.0/KDE4-DEFAULT.ymp

OpenSuSE has some really nice one, you can find them on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE

People with openSUSE 11.0 can just click here to run the one click installer or go to http://news.opensuse.org/2008/07/29/kde-41-released-with-opensuse-packages-and-live-cd/ (or KDE developers)

People with openSUSE 11.0 can just click here to run the one click installer or go to http://news.opensuse.org/2008/07/29/kde-41-released-with-opensuse-packages-and-live-cd/ (or KDE developers)

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Broadcom_(BCM4306)_WLAN_Installation_under_SUSE

simple enough isn't it?
you don't say what the actual chipset is but the ndiswrapper route is probably the way to go.

Too tough for you? buy an edimax usb wireless stick and plug it in, they are cheap enough.

There are two issues here the first is some hardware manufacturers are unwilling to provide driver support for their hardware beyond a windows driver
(e.g broadcom) and some are (e.g ralink).

For me I vote with my wallet and choose to buy supported hardware. Your wireless problem probably can be solved with the use of ndiswrapper. Which just uses the windows driver for your card it's not an ideal solution and requires a little effort on your part.

The second issue is you are being a dick, it took me a few seconds to find a how to for your wireless problem unfortunately i have no solution to you being a dick other than go run the os that came with your laptop.

linux has very little support for dicks and arseholes for this you require windows. Seriously, windows is designed for people like you in mind.

I have an OpenSuSe 10.2 x86_64 machine and have manually upgrade-installed the x86_64 RPMs from the security announcement (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-07/msg00003.html). Yast2 has some problems due to this release being old and mirrors not available so I did a manual "rpm -Uhv".

Still, from a traffic dump it seems that on SuSe 10.2 the caching Bind nameserver sends out queries with predictable source ports (incrementing by 1).

Fedora's patched Bind sends from random ports (didn't run statistical randomness test on them, though).

Look at what Microsoft did to Novell and openSUSE

And what exactly have they done?

openSUSE is the same as it's always been. In fact it keeps getting better.

Look at what Microsoft did to Novell and openSUSE

And what exactly have they done?

openSUSE is the same as it's always been. In fact it keeps getting better.

I've long suggested that all major distros should consider working on one package manager and major repository system. The files can be .deb or .rpm or whatever. I don't care.

The openSUSE build service ( https://build.opensuse.org/ ) allows different distros to build packages in one place. It provides an easy search interface for users to get one-click installers for whatever package they want.

I'd really like to see more distros take advantage of it.

As far as Fedora 9, the other seem to know. You are right about openSUSE 11.0 though see here under Step 5: Desktop Selection for screenshot proof

openSUSE 11.0 has an installation screen that displays options for DE. They even included a really nice description of the options and have no option selected by default. You can see the screen on this page under 'Step 5: Desktop Selection'.

What distribution ships with KDE4 as the desktop by default? I'm not aware of any.

OpenSUSE does.

Their entire Proof of Concept seems to be:

      1. We asked to be added as a mirror
      2. We succeeded without the distributions doing a cavity search
      3. A11 y0ur L1nux are b3l0ng t0 us!

openSUSE does the following. You are asked to be added as a mirror and they add you. However YaST (or better zypper) will point to http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/oss/ by default which will then point you to the mirror.
Then they also look if you have the latest version available or not. If not, they will not point to you untill you do.
The reason is that this way they can spread the traffic among the mirrors, so that not everybody is using the same mirror, making the idea of mirrors obsolete. They also test if the mirror is up.

So there is already a big barrier to overcome. Obviously you could still make your own repository like Packman or http://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/11.0 and then see that people point there. This will need some social enginering and can be done, just as you can convice people to type in a code for a ziptfile, unpack it and then run the file inside as admin.

Even easier would be to ask them to do `sudo rpm -Uvh http://example.com/hAxOr.rpm`

I have thought about this and come to the conclusion that I was wrong. This is indeed possible. All they need to do is copy the One Click Install from openSUSE:
http://en.opensuse.org/Standards/One_Click_Install

The main disadvantage is that each software program will still need to do this.
The main advantage is that there will be people who collect these repositories and place them on their website.

openSUSE 11.0: Click here

So easy, even a Windows user can do it.

Installing MPlayer under 11 (10.3 will also work if you look it up) is done with one click install: http://api.opensuse-community.org/searchservice//YMPs/openSUSE_110/e208863ffe1f342b2a9eed35603427dcac9fa27c
http://en.opensuse.org/One_Click_Install for more info
They have bought SuSE and have opend up not only YaST but the whole process. You can even make your own openSUSE based distribution where they activaly helped solving on how to do this in several ways.
They are working on how to open source other things as well. However that is not as easy as they would like.

The fact that they have gotten a lot of money from MS so that MS can give away SUSE is realy nice and except for all the emotional reactions to it, I am still waiting for the negative things that were going to happen what people were promising. Instead I see no change, except the fact that Novell got a bunch of dollars for SLES licences.

And being closed to FOSS is something I disagree with if you compare it to Novell. Novell is not closer to FOSS. They are standing in it and are part off it.

Perhaps it was true for Novell a few years ago. It certainly isn't at this moment.

Probably because they are an UNIX company at the end, their track record is better than that of Novell.

Yes, you can. But rewriting an installer to avoid having to manually accept the EULA is itself a violation of the EULA: including it in a distribution is _definitely_ a violation of the EULA.

There are published RPM's, such as those at livna.org, for RPM system users. And from an earlier comment, I'm looking at the new alternative repository for OpenSuSE at http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA. The craziness and foolishness needed to integrate it are related to the inability to include its OpenGL libraries in the basic OS installation, and the RPM simply runs the Nvidia installer automatically. Unless they've gotten very clever, upgrades of the Nvidia or RPM provided OpenGL libraries will completely ruin the setup and disable X windows.

Who would you partner with?

Who would you partner with?

Package management is my biggest issue with OpenSuSE.

They started with YaST in the 9.x series. Then for a while, APT4RPM was the thing everyone used. Then the APT repositories disappeared and I had to switch to Yum, though the web site recommended switching to SMART. Now the official package manager is something I can't even remember the name of because nobody else uses it... *looks it up* Zypper.

I mean, WTF? Five different package managers in a couple of years, and they haven't done the intelligent thing and switched to a proven system that actually works? I mean, I understand why RedHat use RPM--they shat it out, so they feel obliged to keep using it. But why does SuSE keep using it, and why do they keep switching the front end?

Package management is my biggest issue with OpenSuSE.

They started with YaST in the 9.x series. Then for a while, APT4RPM was the thing everyone used. Then the APT repositories disappeared and I had to switch to Yum, though the web site recommended switching to SMART. Now the official package manager is something I can't even remember the name of because nobody else uses it... *looks it up* Zypper.

I mean, WTF? Five different package managers in a couple of years, and they haven't done the intelligent thing and switched to a proven system that actually works? I mean, I understand why RedHat use RPM--they shat it out, so they feel obliged to keep using it. But why does SuSE keep using it, and why do they keep switching the front end?

Package management is my biggest issue with OpenSuSE.

They started with YaST in the 9.x series. Then for a while, APT4RPM was the thing everyone used. Then the APT repositories disappeared and I had to switch to Yum, though the web site recommended switching to SMART. Now the official package manager is something I can't even remember the name of because nobody else uses it... *looks it up* Zypper.

I mean, WTF? Five different package managers in a couple of years, and they haven't done the intelligent thing and switched to a proven system that actually works? I mean, I understand why RedHat use RPM--they shat it out, so they feel obliged to keep using it. But why does SuSE keep using it, and why do they keep switching the front end?

Dude, that's why they call it a BETA version. They are early snapshots of the development version (Factory), and they are shipped with a very clear warning statement.

Be more sensitive, give it a try.

openSuSE does equal Novell.

Novell SuSE is the commercial OS that Novell sells while openSuSE is the community edition. Both brought to you by...you guessed it, Novell.
http://www.opensuse.org/

openSuSE is the test bed for new packages and configuration. Once vetted, those changes are moved upstream into Novell SuSE proper.

This is exactly the same way Fedora and RedHat work.

Nowadays, distros like this will use one DVD image instead of a bunch of CD images. If you'd actually go to the download page, you'd see that there are options for
1) a single live CD, for either KDE or Gnome,
2) a DVD, or
3) a network install