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Re:The only thing stopping me from using Opera
Okay, done: (1) OperaAdFilter (http://www.monroeworld.com/operafilter/documenta
t ion.php) does a pretty good job of providing a way to modify the built-in ad filter (yeah, Opera actually had one all along contrary to popular belief), otherwise known as UserCss. (2) And if that isn't enough for you then you can also use Opera's (also) built-in content blocker (http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/). It's pretty neat: once you choose it from the menu it "whites out" everything on the page except for the ad banners and graphics; fro there you simply click on which object you want blocked and then click "save" near the top of the browser window. Quick, easy, intuitive, and it does it on a per-webpage basis. I don't blame folks for stating how Opera lacks this, that or the other thing; the browser's so chock-full of built-in features which a lot of people don't think the browser even has, and the fact that they even exist isn't made very obvious. Of course, the other side of that coin is that if Opera decided to turn on all those features simultaneously then the browser would be accused of having a cluttered interface. The result is that quite a few settings are turned off by default and must be enabled by using the "Preferences" menu. -
Opera Has Always Been Cutting Edge & AwsomeHere is some more excruciating specs from their site
http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/
I could of swore I read somewhere it's origins were with the Gecko engine and Mozilla (NetScape) browser projects.. but I cannot quickly find that info right now :(I know now they use a different engine however.
They even had a real-human return an email once with significant info on my questions to them about their *great* free mail service at: http://operamail.com/ actually
:)However I *always* keep several browsers handy just in case one does not render what I need done at that moment.
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Re:Firefox tabs
Not one item from the list looks like from outer space - all are concepts which any monkey can bring into a browser.
Look beyond the list- let me know when Firefox does Widgets, or presentations. -
They recommended Opera!?!
I don't think they realize that not only is Opera indeed capable of blocking ads, but can also block content on a per-webpage basis. Maybe they should have checked out http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/ before making that recommendation.
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The story is an ad - for Firefox.
Oooohhh, look everybody, this Firefox web browser is eeeevil!
It lets you block this terribly annoying ads so it must be banned!
Did you hear me? FIREFOX CAN BLOCK THOSE TERRIBLY ANNOYING ADS!
And it's really easy to do!
So I'm saying that the Firefox web browser, which can easily block terribly annoying ads, is eeeeeevil and must be banned!
Now won't you join me in spreading the word far and wide that FIREFOX WEB BROWSER CAN EASILY BLOCK ALL THOSE TERRIBLY ANNOYING ADVERTISEMENTS!
It should also be banned for being the first browser to have page tabs which are also eeeevi-[AC is beaten to death by Opera web browser fans tired of hearing that bullshit claim...]
The One True Path to enlightenment (and tabbed browsing) can be found here...http://www.opera.com/ -
Re:Can't we do all this stuff already?
"Which, assuming you want to support IE users, means no."
You can support IE users
... just inlcude links to the download pages for Opera, Firefox, Netscape, Safari, etc.Better yet, give them full support - have them download a bootable linux distro to replace Vista Millennium.
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catch 22This isn't censorship; it's just a poor firewall. The difference is that the former is for stifling human communication, while the latter is to protect machines from malicious software. Tell it to china.
So some of what they arbitrarily block is for asinine security reasons? When hackers come up with the key to a Microsoft owned DRM ploy, wanna bet that string will also be blocked, server side, for security? -
Re:It's the cult
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Re:It's the cult
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Re:There is a patch for thisGet the Firefox patch here Godsdamnit, I know you're just trying to be funny in the same way as everyone else with their "Ultimate Windows patches", but it isn't.
You could have gone for insightful instead of trolling by writing something along the lines of "Generally, Opera has a much better safety record (the one we know of, anyway), and I prefer the UI."
I really like Opera, I even have it on my 3 phones and my PDA. Plus my 2 laptops, 4 stationaries, and I'm currently reading a book inspired by Opera. (Sorry, bad pun)
Trolling, however, will only get those who see your post to have a negative association to Opera, just like many have a negative association to Gentoo... -
There is a patch for this
Get the Firefox patch here
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Why so many versions of Opera for download then?
http://www.opera.com/download/
I went here to get Opera for my Redhat machine at work.
There are on the order of 40 different variants for download. If they are binary compatible, why isn't there just one or two? As there is for windows/OSX/Solaris.
I am not Open Source Hater, but I tend to agree with the article. Linux is totally fragmenting it's minuscule desktop share amongst 50 pseudo-compatible variations. -
Re:Obligatory single page link
What are you, new?
http://www.firefox.com
http://www.opera.com -
Re:IdioticAssuming you don't have some kind of page refresh every n seconds Two notes on that:
1) iGoogle, Gmail, and other AJAX websites do a sort of self-update every so often. I wonder how those would factor into the ratings for people who always keep those open in a tab (I, for example, pretty much always have iGoogle open in a tab).
2) I'm a regular user of Opera, which, in its latest iteration, includes a feature called "Speed Dial." This feature consists of a tab that has previews of nine user-selected web pages. The user can define how often the page preview updates--I have mine set to every 30 minutes. The page previews update even when the Speed Dial tab is not open (that way the previews are there instantaniously when you open the Speed Dial tab, so you don't have to wait for each preview to load to see the page preview). So that means that the whole time I have Opera open it's reloading pages that I might not view at all. Note, however--this feature throws a wrench in ratings measured by the number of page views as well.
I suppose my response to myself on my second note is that probably any page that the user causes to be refreshed so often deserves to get a high count from that user, no matter the metric used. On the other hand--what if I set the page in my Speed Dial but then end up never actually using the page because my thoughts on how useful it would be turned out to be wrong? (I'll call this Fiddler on the Roof-style commenting)
I guess I can just say I'm glad I'm not in the business of calculating ratings for web pages. It seems like a difficult thing to measure, particularly in this day of tabs and self-refreshing web pages, etc. -
Re:I don't get it
Opera Mobile isn't a real web browser?
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Re:It's adding up
The iphone isn't a "slick portable computer with cell phone capability". It's an oversized phone with a crippled PDA capability. Anyway, Opera's been available for PPC devices (and also Psions and other phones) for quite a while now. The iphone can't record video, and the stills are worse than those from a Samsung device.. Oh well, enjoy your koolaid.
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Re:internet on a cell phone?
Yes, I do.
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/
What a great idea... installing applications on a device! -
Re:Then what is the killer appSInce WIndows Mobile and the Treo and Blackberry have been around forever, by now then the ability to install third party apps must have delivered many killer apps, each selling above a million or so.
Name them. If third party apps are really so important, name the ones that a majority of the smartphone market finds indespensible. This is just from Handango which is mainly Symbian download/license site... In fact, it is one of "classy" sites, people generally buy their software directly from Vendor.
http://corp.handango.com/Handango.jsp?siteId=1&jid =7769B9DF15DAE9X5X4CCB1CE886F8FFE&CKey=CORP_STATS& option=company
Millions of unique monthly visitors
650,000+ newsletter subscribers
190,000+ content titles
16,000+ content partners
Hundreds of licensees
Hundreds of countries
Dozens of currencies
Dozens of languages
9 operating systems
7+ years commercial usage
Lets see Opera Mini which is a J2ME (Java) Application which uses the platform Mr. Jobs claimed "nobody asked for it"
""This is a celebration for our users," said Jon von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software. "Thanks to the more than 10 million people who have downloaded and used Opera Mini, we've changed the way users and mobile operators think about the mobile Web. Because of the tremendous grassroots support, Opera Mini is now a movement."
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2007/01/26/
These are CONSUMER/END USER products. VPN/Blackberry/Exchange/Notes etc. solutions which are purchased in bulk numbers in customised manner doesn't count. E.g. no company goes to Handango and add 10.000 VPN client licenses to "shopping cart" of course. :)
Opera's numbers excludes the massive numbers distributed by cell networks sometimes embedded in phone pre-installed too. -
Safari Surpasses current Opera 9.21
CSS test results for latest downloadable Opera (not quite up to Safari 3 Beta):
From the 43 selectors 25 have passed, 3 are buggy and 15 are unsupported (Passed 346 out of 578 tests) - Opera9.21
From the 43 selectors 25 have passed, 9 are buggy and 9 are unsupported (Passed 346 out of 578 tests) - Safari3
"About Opera" states System: MacOSX 10.4.9, even though I'm running 10.4.10? -
Re:Go Opera!
(these days, Opera is 100% free).
Er, not quite - It is a free download for a desktop OS, but not for other devices.
Buy Opera -
Opera CTO Father of CSS
For the record: The CTO of Opera Software, Håkon "howcome" Wium Lie, is the father of CSS.
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Re:Explain to me this
Well, remember that most of their income is derived from (initially) use on mobile devices, and later supplemented by a deal with google regarding default search settings etc. Their presence on the desktop is probably complex, but at least partly because "Hey, we're already managing a browser designed with a portable core system, so we may as well have a desktop presence while we're at it..."
My strategy is to use Opera except when I am specifically seeking to debug a page. Then I start FireFox with some of the various web developer toolbars etc.
Now, that may or may not change as things go on, since Opera does have some stuff like this:
http://dev.opera.com/tools/
So I don't need to switch to Firefox for some stuff, like a DOM snapshot from memory (which includes changes just made by Javascript, etc.) and checking through JS properties. And I can read the X-Bender header quotes. I'd still go to FF for it's javascript console and DIV outlining plugins, however.
But for casual use, FF just doesn't seem as nice to me. (Highly technical answer there, eh?) -
Re:Impressed, because ...
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/kestrel-is-c
o minga>"As a result, Opera 9.5 contains more than a year of improvements on the rendering engine. This includes improved CSS3 support (text-shadow anyone ), superior SVG support and a brand new javascript engine with support for ECMAScript 4 'getters' and 'setters'. Apart from being the best standard compliant browser, Opera 9.5 will also display even more webpages with bad coding."
They've always been aggressive about making sure websites work in the browser.
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Opera allows me to do great things
Really, the Opera web browser has allowed me to do great things throughout the internet, with hundreds of tabs open, and consequently more bookmarking being done, and session management, I do not know how productive I would be with Firefox alone. Commonly, when stranded on Firefox-only systems, I am burdened with odd tab loading impairments and generally limited to acting like I am doing literally one thing and one thing only-- no queuing up content or strands of thought, etc. Even with the hierarchical vertical tabbing enhancements through the TBE extension akin to iRider, my productivity seems to drop. So, I am glad to see more (good) publicity for Opera.
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Re:On not being #3
Exactly.
As it happens all the time (remember OpenOffice.org destroying MS Office's market share? Real Player being installed and used on each and every win-based computer (instead of the builtin WMP)? Everybody using Trillian/Miranda/Kopete/GAIM/Whatever instead of the ole MSN Messenger?).
Just one thing remains to be asked: Why the heck would anybody use Firefox if there are better alternatives everywhere? -
Re:Given the competition...
As a possibly amusing postscript, I just heard that my 9500, which has been given to Nokia Service Centre no less than eight months ago for the Infamous Hinge Crack problem, was finally replaced by a refurbished model after seven or eight trips to and from the main Nokia Repair Centre in the UK.
I went to pick up said refurbished model at the service centre. The staff there (who are very good, by the way; the one great thing to come out of this whole mess is that I've found the definitive excellent mobile repair shop) unwrapped the replacement, opened the phone - and you probably wouldn't believe this if I told you, so here's photographic evidence (compare with stock photo).
Notice something missing? A certain lack of QWERTY? :-P
Bear in mind that Nokia are aware I've been waiting since November for this repair to be completed. They have accepted that the repair should be done under warranty, and that the phone's warranty is current. They have even released a bulletin stating that this sort of repair should be covered by warranty, because this problem occurs so frequently. They are aware that trading standards have been contacted on this issue. And yet they still send back this diamond-plated 'fuck you'.
As far as I am concerned, Apple will find it difficult not to eclipse the competition in terms of customer service :-) -
Re:They're Not There to WinMobile browsing has been the red headed step child of the internet. It sucks. I never use the web on my Winmobile phone because it sucks That's not 100% true. I own a Qtek 9100 PocketPC with Windows Mobile 5 and the integrated IE that came with it, yes, it sucks. And that's because IE is unable to fully display web pages as in desktops. But most of news sites (yes
/. has it's mobile version) have their mobile version and IE displays them correctly in a pleasant way.
But, happily, there is a port of Opera http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products for PocketPCs (and other ARCHs as well). This mobile browser is fully capable of displaying web pages as in desktops.
As example: I'm playing my MMOG favorite game Travian in my PocketPC using opera (yes, lots of javascript).
Overall, the only inconvenient I found is viewing web pages in the tinny display area, that's not a browser fault and you'll get used to it. :) -
It makes me wonder...
These statistics make me wonder if Konqueror 4 will become another large competitor on Windows. Konqueror and Safari both share a very common core (KHTML/WebKit), so the renderring and page handling should be relatively the same. Web designers can get another speedy and a more native web browsers that tests their sites for the same purpose, and general users can get a lightweight, standards-compliant, open source web browser (without the OSS requirements, you can already get this with Opera, of course) that won't try to enforce another platform's "look'n'feel" like Apple's apps all do.
For the interested, you can grab an alpha copy of KDE 4 (download qt-copy, kdelibs, and kdebase at the very least; you can use either GCC/Cygwin or MS Visual Studio to compile it). On OS X, there are precompiled universal binaries for everything, and Kubuntu and openSUSE users can get packages for it from their respective websites.
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Fastest?...
Are we forgetting a certain browser?
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No prob for Opera 9.21. And it passes ACID2
I'm glad I use Opera 9.21 for most of my browsing.
http://www.opera.com/
But I really love Firefox 2.0 because of the Firebug plugin. -
Secure add-ons
Get your Secure Firefox add-on here.
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Re:Bookmarks?
Firefox is focused on general, average user profile who still uses bookmarks and even check their history manually.
That is why they are successful at adopting the average browser user. That is what Mozilla suite (pre Firefox) missed and people like me were getting flamed/kicked/banned by community because of reminding that fact.
I think what is more interesting is Opera Speeddial feature which has been recently introduced. If they were just, a bit OS X native friendly... (I really need keychain)
http://www.opera.com/img/products/desktop/screensh ots/speeddial.jpg
They found that average end user visits 10 sites frequently and made that "Super simple bookmark" thing.
I personally prefer Omniweb Workspaces, a grouped bookmark feature native to Omniweb
http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/gall ery/movies/04_workspaces.html (Embedded Mov file) -
Re:When?
They're apparently embedding a fucking SQL DATABASE into Firefox 3. Given that SQL databases are not exactly known for being light-weight (in fact, quite the opposite), I'm going to take a guess that the answer is probably half-past never.
If you want a light-weight, featureful browser that doesn't require 100 extensions to make it barely usable, you might consider trying Opera. -
Steps for speeding up your web browser
1. Reduce cache size to something reasonable, like 10MB
2. Reduce history size to something reasonable, like 500
3. Switch to Opera :D -
Re:Opera is not an open source project.
There was some outcry when Opera recently decided to change its builtin search engine for its mobile browsers from Google to Yahoo.
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Re:Opera!Current Firefox (2.0.0.3) for Windows: 5.5MB download. Current Opera (9.2) for Windows: 6.3MB download. Nope. You're not comparing like with like. According to http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/, Firefox (English) is 5.7MB. Likewise, according to http://www.opera.com/download/, Opera (English) is 4.7MB. Opera *international* is 6.3MB, but that's due to the sheer number of languages it supports. Couldn't give a hoot about the features. All the good in Opera is hidden behind a terrible user interface. I gots shit to *do*, ya know? But the whole point of Opera is that it's almost infinitely customisable; and the interface is very, very easy to change, much easier than Firefox. In fact, it's the interface that put me off Firefox -- not the default interface, but the difficulty of customizing it; unless you're willing to either manually manually edit
.css files in your profile or install a shitload of extensions that make FF take about 10 minutes to start. E.g. I prefer the tab bar at the bottom of the screen. In Firefox I have to manually add a string to a .css text file; much harder in Opera.
Besides, what's so bad about the default interface? The only really unusual thing is that it puts the tab bar above the address bar, but as I said, that's very easy to change. -
Re:And yet, there's OperaThe end result of it is that you have a browser that looks 'relatively natural' on a wide variety of platforms and can be easily extended and themed But not only does Opera run on more platforms than Firefox does, but it's also just as themable as Firefox is (not to mention considerably more customizable out of the box without having to mess about editing css files by hand). Your argument doesn't really hold up. Firefox also has better support of a number of standards (MathML, SVG, Javascript 1.7) that Opera has little/no support for (they support SVG tiny, but that doesn't seem to do too much). If you're trying to argue that Opera has worse support than Firefox than standards, I don't think you're going to succeed. The only major omission is MathML. You have SVG in your list, but in my experience, Opera has considerably better support for SVG than Firefox does -- you claim it only supports SVGT, which may have been true in version 8.0, but is no longer since 9.0 (incidentally, version 9 was also the first to completely pass the Acid2 standards test, which Firefox stil doesn't; not that that's a big problem for Firefox, but if you're criticising standards in Opera I thought I'd mention it). And, of course, the list of standards that Opera supports but Firefox doesn't is quite considerably bigger than vice versa (NavLinks, Web Forms 2.0, VoiceXML, WML, DOM3, etc.).
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Re:Blame Flash on Linux.
Running Opera on Win2k. No add, period. Enabled JavaScript (cringe), turned on Flash (shudder), enabled pop-ups (cringe, shudder) and refreshed page 5 times. Still no ads. Ah, bliss.
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Re:Remember the Blacksmith.
could it be...
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I did some digging...and discovered that (the Latest flavors of) Firefox uses more disk space than IE. ^So what if IE uses Windows components? If I'm running Windows, that space is lost to me anyway. Firefox uses more RAM than IE (see ^). Firefox loads pages slower. Firefox slows my machine down if left running for long periods.
*I await the shower of invective*
Please, by all means, do your own research. Bring up taskmamager or top (well, can't really compare IE there)...
I use IE at work and Opera at home. Microsoft dosen't hold the monopoly on "New isn't necessarilly better."
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Re:And the winner is...
I particularly like the new Speed Dial feature in Opera 9.20.
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Re:CompatabilityI have absolutely no resistance to paying for software (especially $15 software) that offers me something I will actually use. I like Firefox, and Safari is OK if a bit dull, but frankly, OmniWeb has a far superior tab model for the way I work and think, as well as other built-in capabilities I don't have to go and hunt down. It just works, and better yet, it just works the way I like it to work. OmniWeb is cool, but not cross-platform (like me). I'm an Opera man myself Some people love the Opera, some people don't get it. I cannot stand IE7 or Safari after using Opera's tabs and sessions (like Workspaces, but perhaps not as great).
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Re:It's not final, still labeled trial
It shouldn't be.
From Opera: Today Opera Software and Nintendo released the much-anticipated full version of the Internet Channel, powered by the Opera browser.
Nor do I see the words trial anywhere on it. Here's a video showing the same thing I see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6FI5usclV4
Q: Did you remember to do the Wii Update before you redownloaded the Opera browser?
Also, Opera doesn't brand this as the "Final" release. In press releases, they're calling it the "Full" version, because there could be updates in the future. -
OperaSpeaking of Opera, version 9.2 was released yesterday, but doesn't seem to have warranted a headline here as of yet.
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Re:They need special tools
Anyway, after noticing the cell phone accesses, I went looking to see if there was anything I needed to know or do different (I was hoping NOT) and if it was going to be worth it. I didn't find any information at all (regarding anything notable needed for cell phone access) when searching at google
The trick is to look for "mobile" or "handheld" (which is the relevant CSS media) not "cell phone." Some useful references on this topic include Making Small Devices Look Great at Dev.Opera and Pocket-sized Design at A List Apart.
Opera conveniently makes it easy to test Opera Mini (their Java-based browser for cell phones): There's a live demo which just embeds it as an applet. Unfortunately, the last time I went looking I couldn't find much in the way of resources for testing other phones' browsers.
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Re:RediscoveredThe value of concise plain text. Maybe they'll patent the CSS for "plain text" before the end of the year. http://my.opera.com/community/dev/device/
See anything like "patent" there? no. They just say stick to the freaking standards. -
people still use powerpoint?
I make web pages, with a "slideshow" stylesheet that works well with OperaShow. I like to have the thing online when I do my presentation. The last page displays the URL it is at. Anyone can come back to it any time they want to. This way I don't have to bother with distributing hard copies or emailing soft copies.
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Re:BitTorrent Inc. concept flawed from the start
Plus, if this turns out to be a highly desirable feature, browsers will soon support P2P without the need for external/plugin software.
Opera already does this as of version 9. -
"Hello World" with GWT
Opera's Hallvord blogged a bit about GWT yesterday. He doesn't seem to like GWT much, and neither do I, based on what I've seen there.
I'm all for faster and easier development, but when such an app gets stuck on the client side, then you are in a lot of trouble; at first glance, it looks undebuggable (if that's even a word). -
"Hello World" with GWT
Opera's Hallvord blogged a bit about GWT yesterday. He doesn't seem to like GWT much, and neither do I, based on what I've seen there.
I'm all for faster and easier development, but when such an app gets stuck on the client side, then you are in a lot of trouble; at first glance, it looks undebuggable (if that's even a word).