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....what's the big deal?

;-)

I can't wait to see how the tabbed browsing implementation looks/feels.

But the real news about Safari is that it's so darn quick with innovative features!

Oops! Confused the link. Sorry.

Why not just use Opera for Mac? Tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, speed, it's got it all. Sure, you can't get the most recent version for Mac, but after spending a week using Safari at my Dad's place, unless this version significantly changes everything about it, Opera 6 is a definate improvement.

Version 6.12 is available here. Sorry version 7 has not made it to FreeBSD yet. Keep in mind that the Linux users had to wait a couple months after the Windows version was released, and we're still only in beta. Hopefully a FreeBSD port will be cake for them now that the Linux port is out.

First of all, great new term, fuddites. Really, love the way folks here invent new words; I know for a fact that my lexicon is changing.

Second, about Linux-only desktops. I've been dual-booting myself for the last two years, and quite honestly, prefer Linux to Windows. But the fact remains that virtually all workshops/conferences these days demand presentations be done in ppt format only. (You can get away with pdf for documents). Yes, I have been looking at non-MS alternatives; I have OpenOffice on both Windows and Linux, I have tried OperaShow, Flash, Director and others as alternatives, but no, I still can't get away from ppt's hegemony. Fact of life, I guess, no use being religious about it.

Count me in as a very happy SpamPal user. I have it set up with the Bayesian filter and the Notify plugin and it just works. It's still a bit rough 'round the edges because I have only been running it for a month or so (so there are still some false positives--mail tagged as spam that should be clean) but it's easy to retag as clean. Opera 7's new mail client includes complex filters which can easily filter on the tags SpamPal adds to suspected spam.

WAY TOO MUCH graphics for old, slow machines.

Um, you do know you can turn off most of those features via the "view" menu? View, Skin, uncheck Special effects for instance to turn off the button "animation". There are also lots of light-weight skins to choose from.

One under-reported feature in Opera that's been there since version 5:- OperaShow. Granted, works only in pages specifically written for that, but still, a compelling feature for me.

Simple - upgrade to 7.10, then go to PREFERENCES -> SKINS and select your toolbar magnification scale. I've set mine to a perfectly usable 40%. Additionally, you can use more skins that may suit your needs better.

That's your main complaint solved. Let's optimise things a bit, shall we?

Turn off the navigation bar: VIEW -> NAVIGATION BAR -> OFF.

Right-click on the main toolbar and press "I" [or "Images only".]

Finally, if you've registered Opera you can do this to good effect - remove all the toolbar buttons that you don't use by right-clicking on them and selecting "REMOVE". Then click on the status bar [if it is visible] and drag it on to the main toolbar. Select VIEW -> STATUS BAR -> OFF.

Have fun.

P.S.: To get to www.cnn.com from "cnn" faster, turn off local computer searching by going to PREFERENCES -> NETWORK -> SERVER NAME COMPLETION... and un-check "Look for local network machine".

some might be even paranoid about what opera sends home and block it for that, believing it again is _THEIR_ system and their network connection.

A valid concern. Opera has a doc that explains what is sent and how it's sent (assuming you trust them of course). http://www.opera.com/docs/ads/ Oh and their privacy policy mentions the ads too.

They also give out a description of file formats that they use.

some might be even paranoid about what opera sends home and block it for that, believing it again is _THEIR_ system and their network connection.

A valid concern. Opera has a doc that explains what is sent and how it's sent (assuming you trust them of course). http://www.opera.com/docs/ads/ Oh and their privacy policy mentions the ads too.

They also give out a description of file formats that they use.

some might be even paranoid about what opera sends home and block it for that, believing it again is _THEIR_ system and their network connection.

A valid concern. Opera has a doc that explains what is sent and how it's sent (assuming you trust them of course). http://www.opera.com/docs/ads/ Oh and their privacy policy mentions the ads too.

They also give out a description of file formats that they use.

http://www.opera.com/windows/changelogs/710/ http://www.opera.com/download/

I am really impressed with this release.

0. Mouse gestures (you know, the things that Mozilla and Phoenix ripped off from Opera) are now customizable. In other words, there will be no more accidental window closures.

1. There is now a good interface for saving toolbar layouts so that you will not have to recustomize after every upgrade.

2. The Notes feature is a multiple item clipboard (independent of the usual thing) done right. The storage is permanent, it doesn't throw itself at you, and you can misuse it for something goofy like a personal quotation database.

3. The nature of 7.0 MDI/SDI is even more obvious now. Context menus allow you to open links in the current child window, in a new child window, in a background child window, in a new parent window, and in a new background parent window.

4. Fast Forward has become even better. To quote the changelog, "FastForward can now be used as a "slide show" on galleries, like http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asi a/".

5. All dialogue boxes are now skinned. You won't believe how much skinned javascript prompts imrove the user experience.

6. All the great features from 7.0x are back. I can go through those if anyone wants. The include universal interface dragndrop, Links sidebar/CTRL+ALT+J, pervasiveness of text files, etc.


Unfortunately, the Active Bookmark Folder concept from 5.x/6.x is still not back, but I am managing without it. It's likely to reappear in 7.20, no one in the Mozilla/Phoenix crowd has used Opera enough to learn the full splendour Insane Greatness, and Microsoft has stopped shovelling features into MSIE after it killed off Netscape 4.x.

P.S. Do remember to set Opera to Always Check Documents in the History and Cache preferences panel.

P.P.S. I've just discovered skin scaling. Wow. Not quite as cool as skin colour schemes, but still very wow.

http://www.opera.com/windows/changelogs/710/ http://www.opera.com/download/

I am really impressed with this release.

0. Mouse gestures (you know, the things that Mozilla and Phoenix ripped off from Opera) are now customizable. In other words, there will be no more accidental window closures.

1. There is now a good interface for saving toolbar layouts so that you will not have to recustomize after every upgrade.

2. The Notes feature is a multiple item clipboard (independent of the usual thing) done right. The storage is permanent, it doesn't throw itself at you, and you can misuse it for something goofy like a personal quotation database.

3. The nature of 7.0 MDI/SDI is even more obvious now. Context menus allow you to open links in the current child window, in a new child window, in a background child window, in a new parent window, and in a new background parent window.

4. Fast Forward has become even better. To quote the changelog, "FastForward can now be used as a "slide show" on galleries, like http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asi a/".

5. All dialogue boxes are now skinned. You won't believe how much skinned javascript prompts imrove the user experience.

6. All the great features from 7.0x are back. I can go through those if anyone wants. The include universal interface dragndrop, Links sidebar/CTRL+ALT+J, pervasiveness of text files, etc.


Unfortunately, the Active Bookmark Folder concept from 5.x/6.x is still not back, but I am managing without it. It's likely to reappear in 7.20, no one in the Mozilla/Phoenix crowd has used Opera enough to learn the full splendour Insane Greatness, and Microsoft has stopped shovelling features into MSIE after it killed off Netscape 4.x.

P.S. Do remember to set Opera to Always Check Documents in the History and Cache preferences panel.

P.P.S. I've just discovered skin scaling. Wow. Not quite as cool as skin colour schemes, but still very wow.

Some even pay for one.

Opera Software has announced that the award winning browser Opera version 7.10 final for Windows has been released.

It is available for download here!

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opera is better than ie, moz, or netscape.

...Opera 7.1 beta 3 for Windows!!!

DOWNLOAD it NOW!!!

...and in Opera, type "g item of interest" in the location bar, and *poof* there's your Google search results.

Sweeeeeet.

Announcement: OperaSoftware has released Opera 7.1 betas. Please test and submit any bugs. Thank you for making Opera a better product.

Announcement For Windows

Announcement For Linux

Forget Mozilla/Netscape and Internet Explorer and try out Opera!

With Releases for both Linux and Windows!

Read the announcement!

Linux

Windows

Forget Mozilla/Netscape and Internet Explorer and try out Opera!

With Releases for both Linux and Windows!

Read the announcement!

Linux

Windows

Forget Mozilla/Netscape and Internet Explorer and try out Opera!

With Releases for both Linux and Windows!

Read the announcement!

Linux

Windows

Netscape 2.0 3.3MB
Netscape 3.0 5.9 MB
Netscape 4.0 8.0 MB
Netscape 4.78 23.5 MB

MSIE 2.0 1.2 MB
MSIE 3.0 5.1 MB
MSIE 4.0 16.7MB
MSIE 5.0 11.9 MB

As to why it is common, if you recall the anti-trust trial in the U.S. where Microsoft was found guilty and the appeal where the verdict of guilty was upheld, you'll find that among the records is the fact the MSIE gained market because it was bundled with MS-Windows.

If left to compete on technical merits, MSIE will fall out of the market place and disappear. MSIE has fallen so far behind in technology, usability and security that it's a marketing wonder that any corporate intranets allow it at all. Perhaps offering a Google-like competitor is the only way to keep from losing all ground to Mozilla, Opera and others.

Microsoft could easily shut out any normal search service by further leveraging their desktop monopoly. Simply add searching functions in MSIE that make it hard to use anything than their own service, much the same way that HTTP error messages have been co-opted in MSIE.

Makers of embedded devices and other systems are quite aware of this and have been turning to Mozilla and Opera.

...why is this article in white print on a black background? ... There's a reason books and newspapers are printed in black print on a white background: IT'S EASIER TO READ.

Fortunately, I use Opera, which has a nifty "remove fancy-schmancy" formatting and presents everything in an eminently readable black-on-white (or whatever you configure it to be) font.

To build Opera 6 for iTV you need a development platform with the following characteristics:
One of the CPUs: x86, PPC 405, StrongArm or MIPS
Linux kernel version 2.4.x
Tool chain: gcc 3.2 and glibc 2.2.5
QT 2.3.2 (Trolltech's QT embedded or QT on X11) dynamically linked and multithreaded
On the target hardware at least 4 MB of Flash and 8 MB RAM available to Opera

I care more about...stability...which is I why I use Netscape 4.7


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

<gasp>

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You may not be aware of this, but Netscape crashing only once a day isn't something to brag about anymore. Practically every recent mainstream browser is more stable than Netscape 4.7x. Some of them are faster too.

I know after years of not having any money, and using shareware for free, I LOVE that I can afford to pay people who make shareware, and support independent software.

Recent shareware fees paid:

• 10 licenses of the Opera web browser
• A ton of Chank's fonts
• Limewire
• UltraEdit

Whenever I need a program/tool, the first places I look are TinyApps (very small software for Windows), and Tucows.

I sure HOPE it's not just me that's out there doing what I can to support the independent shareware programmers!

Opera uber alles.:)

I can't check your other 2 links to see whether they add more evidence of laptop crashing, since neither of the sites resolve (in Mozilla 1.1).

Then maybe you should get a real browser, because all the links in that post work fine in IE 6 and Opera.

(If the links in this post don't work, then the only possible conclusion is that the problem exists somewhere between your chair and your keyboard.)

Not only do you get to own a seriously sexy and functional "phone", you also get to be the envy of both jock and nerd. Oh, and it also runs one of the coolest browsers out there, Opera!!

Opera shrinks or magnifies images along with text, just press 0 to step up, 9 to shrink and 6 to reset to 100%. Also, 8 adds an extra 100% while 7 takes it away. There's also a handy dropdown list to change it for each window.

Opera 7.03 was released the same day as Moz 1.3. Go get it! :-)

Just to let you all know: Opera 7.03 was released the same day.

That's where Opera comes in! :-)

Take a look at this article for how to do it with mozilla. Unfortunately, it requires a restart before any changes are made.

Opera has support for user stylesheets that can be toggled on and off with a keypress though.

Opera 7 has a "Nostalgia" mode which tries to imagine what a C64 Web browser might look like. Screenshot (6KB PNG) It looks a lot like the Contiki browser, funnily enough.

Sorry, that wasn't the latest Opera 7.0.0 for Linux preview, but this is.

I was about to complain about there being no Opera 7 for Linux yet, but I checked and they have a preview available. Will have to try it, if the final release ends up being as good as Opera 7 for Windows (which was the best browser I've ever used), I will definitely buy it. For now I'm using Phoenix.

Thanks for the link (should be http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/intel-linux/365-200 30307-7.0.0-P2/ though), I've been waiting for Opera 7 on Linux.

Maybe with a lot of complicated hacking they could get each tab to appear seperately in the task bar.

It's interesting and I kinda like it. It should be noted, though, that the page looked normal and boring (one long column of text) until I ID'd as MSIE 6.

"Time to get out a maginifying glass"

You could do that. Or you could just select your desired magnification from the zoom-selector at the bottom of your Opera window. :-)

• BBC News is usually first on my list. I hit the (non-UK) front page, use Ctrl-Alt-click in Opera to kick open all the interesting links, then go to Americas (because that's where I am) and do the same. Sometimes I go for Europe or Entertainment.
• Slashdot - unlike all those other silly people who are replying!
• If I actually feel like thinking, I look at Kuro5hin, which takes a different approach to same idea as Slashdot. Most everyone can post a new article. Many articles tend to go into depth, rather than just presenting a summary. You can vote the articles up or down; you can choose to view even low-rated articles in certain subjects, etc. Self-service text ads let you support the site - and you can let people comment on the ads.
• Sometimes I look at top stories on Yahoo, or go for most popular stories and images.

After that it's usually off to non-news stuff like Diesel Sweeies or whatever.

I look at the local newspaper occasionally, even though their editing is awful and they get facts wrong in the subject areas I know about, which makes me wonder if they ever get it right the rest of the time. I only watch TV news if something important is happening. (Celebrities getting arrested isn't important, so I rarely watch TV news.) If something interesting is happening and I don't think the TV news is worth turning on, I hit the Google News beta site and type keywords.

Or just a browser supporting CSS and user-css in genereal.

No need for a gecko, when a Viking will do :)

For some good examples of crossplatform apps that use Qt, see Opera and Psi. I'm the author of the latter (yes, shameless plug).

So Windows crashes, and you can't get it to come back up. No problem! You just boot up into your BIOS, send the built-in web-browser to support.microsoft.com, and then your set.

Dammit! And I'm using the new BORK edition BIOS....

Where the fuck would you need an old airfield? I have had sex in the air, I don't need no airfield. Check out the BORK EDITION OF OPERA BROWSER

It works on all the other pages but MSN.COM. HAHAHAH!

You could choose to buy the Microsoft Plus media and productivity pack, or not.

You already can.

The whole thing depends on the power of the default.

So, you advocate removal of the default? If they don't have IE, how the hell are they going to download Mozilla?

There is little incentive to really develop these applications due to lack of potential return on investment.

Hence the obvious lack of good alternative browsers.

The bundled stuff presents a nice target for those who would write viruses and such.

No, user idiocy presents a nice target for those who would write viruses and such. Most infections are due to people double clicking on .exe attachments - that's not going to be fixed anytime soon.

(Please note that I didn't write the message you responded to, see my homepage for an explanation)

We credit the person writing the JavaScript version of the Encheferizer in Opera's "About" box. The other people involved are credited in our version of the script

-h&kon