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Opera 10.51 Changelog

"Security
Fixed
Fixed an issue where the HTTP Content-Length header could be used to execute arbitrary code; see our advisory (http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/948/).
Fixed an issue where XSLT could be used to retrieve random contents of unrelated documents, as discovered by crazypops; see our advisory (http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/949/)."

OH SNAP SON! So much for those skilled contractors and their superior skills.

The exploit has been in the wild over a month. That is NOT the "way to go".

Security needs to be built in from the foundation, not patched in as you go.

Firefox is the bodged and patched up house built by cowboy builders. Opera is the luxury apartment built by skilled contractors.

The German warning still stands, if you use Firefox, you are using a browser that has unsecure foundations and at any point you are open to attack as soon as somthing crops up (the fact it's got a decent marketshare also means it's worthwhile to make exploits).

If you want security, then Firefox is a RELLY bad choice, which is ironic, as most of their usebase came from frightening IE6 users into moving to something "safer" (IE8 is far more secure than Firefox these days)..

http://www.opera.com/browser/

1% drop? That's all?

Nope, it's not even a 1% drop. It's a 0% drop in marketshare, on Windows machines. MSIE still is getting on 100% of Windows machines sold in Europe (or elsewhere) despite the 'browser ballot' Yep ,that's 100%. Even though the antitrust complaint found that Microsoft was hurting Europe by using it monopoly on desktop OEMs and illegal tying to establish and maintain a monopoly on web browsers the remedy does not include addressing the original complaint.

The browser 'ballot' does not make any kind of remedy, not even a little, involving removal of MSIE from the desktop monopoly. MSIE is still bundled on Windows, even if you install Chromium, Firefox or one of the other extras. So, if you are a big enough asshole to still run Windows, your choices go like this

• MSIE alone
• MSIE + Chrome
• MSIE + Safari
• MSIE + Opera
• MSIE + Firefox
• ...and so on...

The illegal tying is still happening, and each and every instance of MS Windows makes the problem worse. Firefox ran a campaign a few years ago, "take back the web". To do that, MSIE has to go. To get rid of MSIE, Windows has to go. Germany, France and others have advocated dropping the problem. If every country made a push to get Windows off their networks, both public and private, billions would be save each quarter by avoiding the malware that is part and parcel of the Windows experience.

1% drop? That's all?

Nope, it's not even a 1% drop. It's a 0% drop in marketshare, on Windows machines. MSIE still is getting on 100% of Windows machines sold in Europe (or elsewhere) despite the 'browser ballot' Yep ,that's 100%. Even though the antitrust complaint found that Microsoft was hurting Europe by using it monopoly on desktop OEMs and illegal tying to establish and maintain a monopoly on web browsers the remedy does not include addressing the original complaint.

The browser 'ballot' does not make any kind of remedy, not even a little, involving removal of MSIE from the desktop monopoly. MSIE is still bundled on Windows, even if you install Chromium, Firefox or one of the other extras. So, if you are a big enough asshole to still run Windows, your choices go like this

• MSIE alone
• MSIE + Chrome
• MSIE + Safari
• MSIE + Opera
• MSIE + Firefox
• ...and so on...

The illegal tying is still happening, and each and every instance of MS Windows makes the problem worse. Firefox ran a campaign a few years ago, "take back the web". To do that, MSIE has to go. To get rid of MSIE, Windows has to go. Germany, France and others have advocated dropping the problem. If every country made a push to get Windows off their networks, both public and private, billions would be save each quarter by avoiding the malware that is part and parcel of the Windows experience.

So far, MSIE still is getting on 100% despite the 'browser ballot' Yep. Even though the antitrust complaint found that Microsoft was hurting Europe by using it monopoly on desktop OEMs and illegal tying to establish and maintain a monopoly on web browsers.

The illegal tying is still happening, and each and every instance of MS Windows makes the problem worse. Firefox ran a campaign a few years ago, "take back the web". To do that, MSIE has to go. To get rid of MSIE, Windows has to go. Germany, France and others have advocated dropping the problem. If every country made a push to get Windows off their networks, both public and private, billions would be save each quarter by avoiding the malware that is part and parcel of the Windows experience.

So far, MSIE still is getting on 100% despite the 'browser ballot' Yep. Even though the antitrust complaint found that Microsoft was hurting Europe by using it monopoly on desktop OEMs and illegal tying to establish and maintain a monopoly on web browsers.

The illegal tying is still happening, and each and every instance of MS Windows makes the problem worse. Firefox ran a campaign a few years ago, "take back the web". To do that, MSIE has to go. To get rid of MSIE, Windows has to go. Germany, France and others have advocated dropping the problem. If every country made a push to get Windows off their networks, both public and private, billions would be save each quarter by avoiding the malware that is part and parcel of the Windows experience.

They need to launch a "show the world your O face" ad campaign

Looks like you missed last year's April Fool's update:

Adult Web sites
Users visiting Web sites that contain adult content sometimes make unconscious facial expressions. If Opera keeps opening Speed Dial and Zooming In and Out, please be aware that this not a bug. It may be useful to disable Face Gestures for a better experience. Also remember that wiping your cache is recommend after visiting untrusted websites.

Mac OS X 10.4 is no longer viable to users who wish to remain secure.

Nonsense. As I said, still no viable malware. If you're behind a decent firewall (and who isn't these days), and using a properly patched browser you're fine.

As long as we're spreading the Opera love...
I've tried but never really have gotten into Opera on the desktop. However on mobile devices -- dumbphones and smartphones and PDAs -- it's pretty much the only game in town.
http://m.opera.com/

The interface is quite fast, even on my crappy old Samsung. Difficult to believe it's a Java midp, given the responsiveness with which you can scroll around the page, zoom in/out, and slide back. It's much better than the built-in browsers that I've used on Samsung, Blackberry, older Palm devices, etc. and I even use it sometimes on my wife's Android phone. And it has some sort of bookmark sync thing tied to your account.

Anyway, if it wasn't for opera mini, I wouldn't have been able to get by with my dumb phone on a cheap wap plan for so long. Also with my Blackberry and Palm it allowed me to hit some javascript-heavy pages when I didn't have access to a computer (airline check-ins, etc.) and the built-in browsers just wouldn't hack it. So it's an essential piece to have on your mobile device.

Downsides:
* sometimes I lose my bookmarks, I think when I exit out of it too fast and my device kills java before it's finished cleaning up.
* My phone puts java apps in a really annoying place without a quick shortcut to it (Tools | My Files | Games).
* It disables my phone's standby for some reason.
* Opera Mini 5 beta doesn't work, but Opera Mini 4 works great. YMMV
* java nags to grant the app network access every time I launch a new session.

But it's awesome enough that I put up with those inconveniences to use it :P

Oh please - that's just trolling.

There are Atari, Commodore, NES, SNES, Sega, and a variety of other emulators (and MAME).
Flash has worked on Linux for ages. It's been out so long, it's even on PC-BSD by default.
Opera 10 is available for Linux and BSD. Try their download page, and I confirmed it installs on Debian. http://www.opera.com/browser/download/?custom=yes
Never tried RealPlayer. Can't help there :)
Ipod-encoded MP4/AAC non-encypted works fine with handbrake and other such apps.

There are plenty of reasons not to use Linux (preference, look and feel, specific games, photoshop, etc) but most of these aren't it.

OT: you might want to try the Opera 10 mobile beta.

The EU has certainly waited until far too late - this step should have been taken 10 years ago.

Opera waited until December 2007 to file their complaint.

...and other browsers like Opera too.

Ahem. I doubt Courier will have Opera before the iPad.

From your second link:

There are several examples of how captions *can* be implemented with javascript, but not standard format. http://blog.gingertech.net/2008/12/12/attaching-subtitles-to-html5-video/, and my favorite implementation so far (Firefox 3.1+/ogg) - http://www.mozbox.org/pub/srt/index2.xhtml

So, they *can* be implemented using Javascript - You don't need any kind of plugins for that. And if you had read my link, you would see a link with an example of that, which even provides you to a selection of language that changes in real time.

Wrong.

Bennett, I'm glad that you thought of that. Slashdot is not the place to file Mozilla feature requests, though. Try this place instead:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi

For KDE (Konqueror) feature requests:
https://bugs.kde.org/

For Opera feature requests:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/forum.dml?id=24

Opera has released Dragonfly, their answer to Firebug

I propose a new betting pool: How long until an Opera fanatic claims Opera developed Dragonfly first, and Firebug is just a ripoff.

Actually before Dragonfly opera had a different set of developer tools, called Developer Console

Opera Developer Console

Opera now includes a developer console that can be added into the browser with many new features. The developer console includes new tools including DOM inspector, JavaScript inspector, CSS editor and HTTP header inspector.

Which were released 15 Nov, 2006, and on my research that is a year or so before firefox.

Link: http://dev.opera.com/tools/

That's not a comparison for Firebug, it's their version of the Web Developer extension. Also, that's not a "year or so" before Firebug: oldest post in Firebug group is 18th Nov, 2006

Is it too much to ask that people type some words into a box at the top of the browser, and then actually contribute to the discussion? FFS, it's the first result:

Today we are happy to release the specification for the Scope protocol. This is the protocol used for communication between the Opera browser and Opera Dragonfly.

They quite clearly explained that this was because the Linux and Mac versions were undergoing much bigger changes than the Windows version.

Could you please point me to where they explained that? In my original post I was referring to this post, where he says that all desktop platforms are undergoing massive changes to platform integration. I can't find anywhere that the Linux and Mac versions are undergoing bigger changes than the Windows version.

Of course, I am not saying that if they have the Windows version ready before the others they should hold it back until everything is ready, but that post seems (to me at least) to imply that the "large number of great engineers" where allocated to the Windows version, allowing other versions to fall behind.

I also have to admit that I didn't think about the browser ballot, as other posters pointed out.

Love the new UI, and really appreciate the option of another well done browser. But they still refuse to fix a trivial CSS bug which has horrible consequences for AJAX apps.

Just go to this page, and resize your browser with the vertical (not horizontal) handle.
http://echo.nextapp.com/content/test/operacss/

(This is very hard/impossible to do on a mac, as they don't really have one).

Unfortunately the bug is not limited to resizing with the vertical handle...it manifests itself in other ways. It seems the browser is incorrectly measuring/reporting the vertical size of elements, and sometimes uses this data internally (as in the case of this test).

Full thread is here:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=250572

And one of the Ajax apps that experiences more serious failures as a result: http://demo.nextapp.com/

  Go to http://www.opera.com/browser/download/?os=windows&ver=10.50b1&local=y
to download as navigating from the info page on the features in 10.50 Beta returned an error

Looking forward to seeing how this performs as i've been using Opera for 10 years but FF have been my go-to browser
for the last 3.

I guess for all those 10.4 guys getting dumped by the Moz there is always Opera. It still works on 10.4, right?

http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/793/
Apparently Opera still works on OS X Panther (10.3) as well as 10.4.

You know, I thought that was disappointing as well, but then I installed the Opera Mini 5 beta on my N82. It pretty much covers all the features I would need from mobile Firefox; stuff like tabbed browsing, password manager, and a slicker interface than the Nokia Browser.

Some of the stuff on YouTube is most definitely NOT H.264 because Opera plays some of it while using YouTube's test HTML5 mode.

Because your personal testimony counts for...oh wait. Nothing. You've already been told not to guess once. Take this as your second warning.

I'll believe it when I see it. Until you provide some sort of proof (URL to non-H.264 and non-FLV YouTube video would be nice), I won't believe that.

Opera uses GStreamer as a backend, and 'will also be able to use "anything that Gstreamer can handle,"'. What quite likely actually happened was that the video in fact was H.264, and was using the H.264 decoder in your system's GStreamer.

Some of the stuff on YouTube is most definitely NOT H.264 because Opera plays some of it while using YouTube's test HTML5 mode.

Because your personal testimony counts for...oh wait. Nothing. You've already been told not to guess once. Take this as your second warning.

I'll believe it when I see it. Until you provide some sort of proof (URL to non-H.264 and non-FLV YouTube video would be nice), I won't believe that.

Opera uses GStreamer as a backend, and 'will also be able to use "anything that Gstreamer can handle,"'. What quite likely actually happened was that the video in fact was H.264, and was using the H.264 decoder in your system's GStreamer.

Opera trusts CNNIC also.

If they wanted to all they'd have to do is host them in a repository and you could get regular updates to their software.

In fact, they do - see http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/841/ (Opera Knowledgebase question - "Can I install Opera from a repository?").
Opera have their own Debian repo (http://deb.opera.com), as well as providing Ubuntu packages for Canonical's 'commercial partner' repo.
As a multi-OS user, the simplicity of updating and installing software under Linux is one of the things I miss the most when using Windows.

However, you are missing some functionality. Such as the ability to capture videos off of you-tube

Egad! Then how on earth did the 10 GB of youtube .flv and 20 GB of youtube .mp4 get on my darned machine? Divine intervention? Magic?! No! It must be evil spirits!!! This download drop-down box listing all available HD and SD formats just keeps appearing beside every darned youtibe video. I'm sure that it's not related to that 5 kB U"ser JavaScript" file I installed in about 3 seconds some time ago.

and WoT's warnings about bad sites before I browse to them in the first place.

You could call it "site-advisor". Except that's what Opera has called it since Opera 10.

It seems like having javascript all off/on could be risky.

You worry less about what sites to trust when your browser has the best security record of all for many years running. In 10 years or so of using Opera, during which I've visited innumerable eastern European sites (big music junkie), I've never had a single problem. Still, it never hurts to be careful, as you imply.

And having to manually set it when I return to a site I trust would be a hassle.

Yeah, in the old days it was tough. I had to hit F12, tick enable JavaScript and then hit F5 to refresh the page. And talk about a long wait! It would take at least 1/3 as long as Firefox to refresh a page [I always keep Firefox on my machine, too - guess which one I end up using all the time]. But I guess Opera felt our grief, which is why, as of Opera 9.5 iirc, you can enable (or disable) JavaScript on a site-specific basis.

Still, who would want to get a browser called Opera that has the best security record, bar none, and is the font of so many good ideas that Firefox and even IE implement a mere few years later? You'd have to be nuts.

I do worry about the fact that I'm not installing plugins developed by god-knows-who. It bothers me not to be forced to wonder if the old canard about thousands/millions of eyeballs has exceptions.

Anyhow, thanks for the reply. It's fun to shoot holes in falsely held beliefs.

Opera has been releasing 10.50 "pre-alpha" versions for the last few weeks, with one major feature being <video>. It supports Theora, but not H.264. Actually, it uses GStreamer, so third-party H.264 support is quite feasible on platforms where the latter is first-class (Linux, BSDs etc) - it will just support anything your distro offers.

On Windows they use their own minimal port of GStreamer which only supports Theora for video; that said, GStreamer is still open source, and so is this thing, so it can be theoretically hacked to add H.264 as well. Nonetheless, this isn't exactly "out of the box".

As it stands, only Safari and Chrome stand by H.264.

FYI, Opera is also behind Theora (heck, they proposed video tag back then). Though people portraying this as only Mozilla doing the "right thing" is only...typical.

http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2009/12/31/re-introducing-video

BTW, Debian folks would really argue about the extent to which Firefox or Seamonkey are free...

Mozilla is going to implement gstreamer backend for html5 video element. See Bug 422540.

Also, Opera developers are going the same way. See this blog post.

Using gstreamer as a backend will eliminate ALL the problems with codecs. Forever. It will be able to play just the same as a usual desktop players, and that means, it will be able to play Ogg Theora, H.264, DivX, whatever you like - it's only a matter of plugins installed.

Remember that Opera proposed video element in the first place and they've chosen Theora from the start. They're not fond of patents, and may not want to choose H.264, especially if Mozilla doesn't.

...and then we'll be able to tell they're copying Opera ;)

(no, seriously: http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2009/12/31/re-introducing-video )

...
Mozilla avoid H.264 on licensing cost and support for openness.

Opera avoid H.264 on licensing cost grounds. ...

Presenting this like Opera doesn't care about open web is insincere. Opera actively pushes for a web accessible to everybody (even includes many classes of devices usually omitted), proposed tag, were behind CSS, had probably one of the most strict "standards-only" rendering approach.

http://www.opera.com/company/vision/
http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2009/12/31/re-introducing-video

...
Mozilla avoid H.264 on licensing cost and support for openness.

Opera avoid H.264 on licensing cost grounds. ...

Presenting this like Opera doesn't care about open web is insincere. Opera actively pushes for a web accessible to everybody (even includes many classes of devices usually omitted), proposed tag, were behind CSS, had probably one of the most strict "standards-only" rendering approach.

http://www.opera.com/company/vision/
http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2009/12/31/re-introducing-video

A Mozilla developer has pointed out several drawbacks of using Directshow for HTML5 video. Among them was that some Directshow codecs are of questionable quality, it can be source of security bugs and would mean a different backend for every supported platform.

The Opera folks have said Directshow is not well geared to streaming videos so Opera has gone with a minimal gstreamer port for HTML5 video.

A Mozilla developer has pointed out several drawbacks of using Directshow for HTML5 video. Among them was that some Directshow codecs are of questionable quality, it can be source of security bugs and would mean a different backend for every supported platform.

The Opera folks have said Directshow is not well geared to streaming videos so Opera has gone with a minimal gstreamer port for HTML5 video.

How about Opera unite ( http://unite.opera.com/ ) ? One of the unite application allows you to stream videos and could be suitably extended to do more.

By "globally" do you mean "in your head"?

No, I mean "globally".

See this for an example: http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2010/01/02/odd-browser-stats

Google *themselves* claim 40 million Chrome users. Opera Mini alone has more users than Chrome, not to mention the desktop version. And yet Chrome is represented by having ten times Opera Mini's market share according to those stats sites. Right...

There's also this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2009/03/16/a-look-at-desktop-market-share-cis-edition this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2009/03/16/desktop-market-share-former-yugoslavia-edition and this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/desktop-market-share-baltic-edition and this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/desktop-market-share-central-eastern-europe-edition ...

Whether you like it or not, Opera is *massive* in Europe and has a far greater market share than you'd like to believe.

For that reason, the stupid code on "IE6 No More" site is insulting.

By "globally" do you mean "in your head"?

No, I mean "globally".

See this for an example: http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2010/01/02/odd-browser-stats

Google *themselves* claim 40 million Chrome users. Opera Mini alone has more users than Chrome, not to mention the desktop version. And yet Chrome is represented by having ten times Opera Mini's market share according to those stats sites. Right...

There's also this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2009/03/16/a-look-at-desktop-market-share-cis-edition this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2009/03/16/desktop-market-share-former-yugoslavia-edition and this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/desktop-market-share-baltic-edition and this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/desktop-market-share-central-eastern-europe-edition ...

Whether you like it or not, Opera is *massive* in Europe and has a far greater market share than you'd like to believe.

For that reason, the stupid code on "IE6 No More" site is insulting.

By "globally" do you mean "in your head"?

No, I mean "globally".

See this for an example: http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2010/01/02/odd-browser-stats

Google *themselves* claim 40 million Chrome users. Opera Mini alone has more users than Chrome, not to mention the desktop version. And yet Chrome is represented by having ten times Opera Mini's market share according to those stats sites. Right...

There's also this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2009/03/16/a-look-at-desktop-market-share-cis-edition this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2009/03/16/desktop-market-share-former-yugoslavia-edition and this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/desktop-market-share-baltic-edition and this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/desktop-market-share-central-eastern-europe-edition ...

Whether you like it or not, Opera is *massive* in Europe and has a far greater market share than you'd like to believe.

For that reason, the stupid code on "IE6 No More" site is insulting.

By "globally" do you mean "in your head"?

No, I mean "globally".

See this for an example: http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2010/01/02/odd-browser-stats

Google *themselves* claim 40 million Chrome users. Opera Mini alone has more users than Chrome, not to mention the desktop version. And yet Chrome is represented by having ten times Opera Mini's market share according to those stats sites. Right...

There's also this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2009/03/16/a-look-at-desktop-market-share-cis-edition this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2009/03/16/desktop-market-share-former-yugoslavia-edition and this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/desktop-market-share-baltic-edition and this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/desktop-market-share-central-eastern-europe-edition ...

Whether you like it or not, Opera is *massive* in Europe and has a far greater market share than you'd like to believe.

For that reason, the stupid code on "IE6 No More" site is insulting.

By "globally" do you mean "in your head"?

No, I mean "globally".

See this for an example: http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2010/01/02/odd-browser-stats

Google *themselves* claim 40 million Chrome users. Opera Mini alone has more users than Chrome, not to mention the desktop version. And yet Chrome is represented by having ten times Opera Mini's market share according to those stats sites. Right...

There's also this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2009/03/16/a-look-at-desktop-market-share-cis-edition this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2009/03/16/desktop-market-share-former-yugoslavia-edition and this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/desktop-market-share-baltic-edition and this http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/desktop-market-share-central-eastern-europe-edition ...

Whether you like it or not, Opera is *massive* in Europe and has a far greater market share than you'd like to believe.

For that reason, the stupid code on "IE6 No More" site is insulting.

Like sznupi said, these are for countries that don't generally visit english sites and have their own alternatives instead. Russia has its own Facebook too. You cannot apply global stats into country specific stats, like you seem to have done.

For those interested, here's a good article on Opera's share on CIS countries: A look at desktop market share, CIS edition. They flat-out beat IE(!), firefox and all other browsers.

Opera did it before that

But I want to be honest here, in that you failed to cite the first instance of safari passing it, and guess who came first? It was a tie. They both announced on the exact same day.

> Where does the money go?

See http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2009/11/19/state-of-mozilla-and-2008/ and the documents linked from it for the 2008 data.

> Put that in the bank and you could easily pay the salary of 10 full time programmers

As of end of 2008, there were about 200 people being paid out of the $66 million, according to the link above. That would include programmers, QA, UI designers, marketing, administration, IT staff.

That's somewhat smaller than the number of people Opera, say, employs, at least last time I checked.

For comparison, by the way, FY 2008 revenues for Opera were about $87 million according to http://www.opera.com/media/finance/2009/2Q09.pdf

Firefox without any plugins is a PITA. People who are using IE6 now are average users, most of them don't even know what a plugin is, so they will have a hard time finding all the plugins like AdBlock and customizing Firefox to make it usable, so upgrading to Opera would be a much better solution, Opera comes configured properly out of the box without requiring any additional plugins and just by clicking F12 you get a menu where you can turn on/off Java, Javascript, Plugins and Cookies. It's simple, fast and secure, give it a try, you won't regret it.

"Opera's built-in ad and JavaScript blocking isn't nearly as convenient as Adblock+ or NoScript." - by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12, @05:11PM (#30743544)

How difficult is right-clicking on a page, & using the popup menu items of EDIT SITE PREFERENCES to control cookies, frames, popups, scripts, or other content types, as well as the browser type you identify as?

(Couple those built-in features of Opera with a custom HOSTS file, which uses 0 cpu cycles (unlike browser add ons, which also have their share of security vulnerabities issues too @ times) since it is only a filter really! HOSTS files are also easily edited via any text editor like notepad.exe (or easily turned on/off by simply renaming the HOSTS file), and you have complete & easily controlled & edited access to most anything "web" online using a HOSTS file, AND on a "per-site" basis (& then your firewall + antivirus/antispyware combination does the rest pretty much)).

APK

P.S.=> Plus, generally, Opera has been found faster OVERALL than Mozilla/Firefox browsers (and even on Javascript processing, in the past, such as is shown here -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win and did so again, even more recently (06.2009) here too -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

However, afaik & lately, FF took the lead in javascript processing ONLY afaik, but has it? See, check this site's results on that note of javascript processing speeds also -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ ...

Thus, Opera 10.50 MAY change that back to Opera taking the lead there once more IF ff took another "temporary lead" too!

Opera 10.5 is available here -> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/index.dml/tag/10.5 for testing that on your own...

(Even though javascript is the "gateway" to most of what has been infecting people the past few years now more than older methods of infecting others online by malware makers/hackers-crackers etc. et al)... apk

Welcome to the world of tomorrow!

Opera/Firefox (whichever has a newer version that still supports 98)

That would be Opera. Firefox, as of Firefox 3, no longer supports Windows 98 (this caused a lot of grumbling on Firefox's support forums), but the latest Opera happily runs on Windows 98.

I can also write my own apps for it in Delphi7 (Delphi does not work on Linux)

If you're an old-school Delphi programmer, you might look in to Lazarus. It's 95% Delphi, but FOSS software.

While I'm mainly a C programmer these days, I've quite impressed with Delphi: There is an excellent tiny little Civilization clone, C-evo, out there written in Delphi (that fits on a single floppy if you remove the sounds and 7-zip compress it), as well as a free (beer) office suite called SSuiteSoft.