Domain: piratbyran.org
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Comments · 35
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Re:Easily Avoided
Okay, their detection method is fatally flawed for reasons I will present in a moment, but first I'll make the more general point that they have never sued anyone who bothered to turn up and content it in court. They know their evidence is weak and would be shot down, so they rely on people just paying up and drop it the moment you challenge them.
Their system works by gathering IP addresses from a tracker. Many trackers now seed themselves with some random IP addresses to break this. TPB has had doing it for years before they shut their's down. If you pay for the deluxe service they then try to connect and download some of the data from you, to prove it is a real client and not a fake.
So they have an IP address that they claim to have downloaded from, with a screenshot of it happening. Note that you can easily fake these via a handy web site: http://piratbyran.org/bevismaskinen/ . An IP address doesn't identify you, it identifies an internet connection. Maybe, assuming ISP records are correct. Keep in mind that we don't have any process by which they can take your computer or router away for examination, so that is all they have going to court. Maybe more than one person uses that router. Maybe someone hacked it. You are under no obligation to investigate for them. They have nothing, and have been told as much by judges repeatedly.
It's a scam. Speculative invoicing.
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Re:News in english about the trial:
Also, bringing the tour bus home:
http://www.piratbyran.org/s23k/ :DI doubt they will be alone outside the court
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What about a countersuit?In their legal pages, there's this email from Microsoft
Notice how the lawyer claims that "the source code for Windows 1998, Windows NT, and/or Windows 2000 ... is on your system at the following location:
http://tracker.piratbyran.org/torrents-details.php?id=2614,"
and further on they state that "The information in this notification is accurate. I swear under penalty of perjury ..."
The information in that email is NOT accurate, since no part of the source code has ever been in the location they mention. Wouldn't that be ground for a countersuit for defamation, or whatever it's called? -
Re:Heh
No, the police have not returned any hardware or even backup copies of the contents of the disks, not to The Pirate Bay, the Pirate Bureau nor to some of the smaller businesses that were renting rack space in the same server hall. Some of the larger businesses that could afford scary lawyers have gotten their hardware back though.
I don't know if there is a hard limit on the investigation time - I think the prescriptive period for copyright infringement is 5 years (though I'm not sure), so if that is what he wants to press charges for he has to do it before June 2011...
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Re:legalityAnd please try not to call it "pirating". That's a term coined by the mpaa (if I remember correctly) to try to make it sound really bad. If we, the geeks, are careful to call it what it is, copyright infringement or illegal copying, we can perhaps change public perception of the issues a little. The ONLY thing that bugs me about thepiratebay is the name. Yes it IS cool but also makes us all look a bit like rebelling teenagers, even those of us who have thought deeply about copyright issues and realised that the system needs fixing to work in the modern world.
It has worked reasonably well in Sweden, where the think-tank The Pirate Bureau formed shortly after the copyright industry had created the Anti-Pirate Bureau, an organisation consisting mostly of lawyers and paid P2P network infiltrators that tries to track down people distributing copyrighted material. The Pirate Bureau became rather well-known and popular, and was often invited to TV debates on copyright law, and interviewed and asked for comments when newspapers published articles about the subject - and were so successful that the copyright lobbyists adopted a policy a few years ago to refuse debates where representatives from the Pirate Bureau were participating. And then there's the Pirate Party, which didn't get enough votes to take seats in the parliament this time but was treated as a serious candidate by most of the media, despite its name.
When someone is calling you names, it's usually a lot more effective to embrace it than to try and distance yourself from it.
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Re:TPB have been warned about this many times.
The thing is, there is a problem here. A lot of people do hide behind anonymity using systems like BitTorrent and sites like TPB because what they're doing is immoral and/or illegal.
... The site has been used extensively in support of activities that are illegal, unethical and/or damaging to others, and the operators are well aware of this.
yes, damn those immoral abolitionists working in the illegal underground railroads stealing the legal "property" of slave-owning plantations. Think of how much they cost the cotton industry! -
poking the bee hive
As I see it, its just the next step in piratbyråns http://www.piratbyran.org/ campaign against copyright, although not officially
linked.
Theyve been pretty successful as political activists, much helped by blundering swedish police and white house pressure.
The logical next step after piratebay, which only stores links to copyrighted material, is to actually host it.
Images is a nice way to dip the toe I guess.
Any media group who wants to try it in court face a group of highly motivated and well connected people. -
Cool!!!A web site that generates faked "evidence" of filesharing with a name and an IP of your choosing exists in Sweden. Cool... now if only I knew sweedish (beyond "bork!bork!bork!" )
Thanks.
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Re:Acts of civil disobedience-evidence generation?
write a simple program that given some basic parameters generates a ton of "evidence"
A web site that generates faked "evidence" of filesharing with a name and an IP of your choosing exists in Sweden. -
Re:remarkably biased view
i am basically for stronger enforcement of copyright laws.. does this make me 'anti-tech' or 'pro-tech' in this survey view?
anti-tech, you douche.
http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?Id=1763
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assurance_contract
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market
http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh/forum.php?lecture_id=01 97
http://jorge.cortell.net/
http://www.benkler.org/
http://www.dklevine.com/
http://www.stephankinsella.com/ip/
http://web.mit.edu/evhippel/www/books.htm
http://swpat.ffii.org/
http://creativecommons.org/
http://www.piratbyran.org/
http://www.stealthisfilm.com/
http://www.cambia.org/
http://www.plos.org/
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Re:Screen dumps inadmissable?
Try this link to generate your own "evidence" http://www.piratbyran.org/bevismaskinen/
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Re:It's the name
I read somewhere that having geeks name products was like having marketing write software.
Say hello to Kjella.What would be a good name? I don't know. The Freedom Party? Lots of parties claim that one. The Info Party? Freedom of Info Party? Free Info Party? Free Knowledge Party? Info Justice?
The problem with those sort of names is that they are so bland. Nobody can really identify with them, it's like naming your party "The Justice, Apple Pie and Just Being Nice to Each Other Party". You need something that is simple, something that people will instantly know what it is about.
And here in Sweden, we already had The Pirate Bay and Piratbyrån ("The Pirate Bureau"). Having "pirate" in your party name doesn't look all that crazy in that context.That said, perhaps something along the lines of "intellectual freedom" would have better represented the issues involved. (Or not..)
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Re:Planning..
I thought I had read Planning the future of piracy at Microsoft..
The rebels will be hunted down and the young Andersson will be one of us.
This version of the Barratry Star is invincible, apart from having large enough holes in its hull armor to drive a ship through, literally. Who would ever dare to challenge the IP Empire ?
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Demonstrations
There will be demonstrations in Sweden's largest cities this afternoon, condeming the actions of the Swedish police and department of justice in this matter. It is being co-organized by the Pirate Party, and the youth organizations of several mainstream parties from across the political spectrum.
In Stockholm it starts at 15:00 on Mynttorget (right by parlament). That is in 15 minutes so hurry!
In Gothenburg a demonstration will start at 16:30 on Gustav Adolfs Torg. -
How to set up your friends for P2P...
Wanna set up your friends ? Just enter their name, IP and name of a copyright-protected file here and you'll get a nice screenshot prooving their guilt...
http://www.piratbyran.org/bevismaskinen/
This page was set up to proove how easy it is to forge evidence... -
Re:State of the insanity
Speaking of witch, here are two of evidence creators, use them to sue your best friends.
the evidence machine
the other evidence machine
Unfortunatly they are all in swedish, but some of you sould be smart enough to make them work. -
Re:No money in piracy, eh?
Sorry to break your argument, but The Pirate Bay hardly makes any money at all. The bandwith is generously sponsored, and all proceeds from the ads they run go to replacing crumbling hardware. Or at least, that's what they have stated in several interviews over the years.
The Pirate Bay belongs to Piratbyrån, which is a very ideologically driven organization. They simply don't do it for money; they do it for free speech and free culture - something that they are very vocal about. -
Re:Finally!!
For more information on the Swedish anti-copyright movement, see: PiratByrån (InterTran English)
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Comparing apples to paintings of said apples
Hmm, a better analogy would be stealing an apple vs. making paintings of said apple without paying the farmer any fees.
Removing the apple is actually causing a tangible loss, but it is very arguable how much could have earned the farmer, if he decided that anyone doing paintings of one of his apple's should pay a fee.
Perhaps doing it on the first place would prevent anyone from making the paintings so he would have earned nothing, perhaps paying the fee would kill the idea of giving said paintings for free as gifs to your friends.
Another guy will come and say that apple farmers have always been robbed, that they would be rich if they all together demanded fees for each of these paintings being made, such guy would also start a company and start buying some apple farms and hire farmers as he lacks any true farming skill, but comes from a wealthy family...
This is the problem of trying to appropiate the intangible world, its all based in theory and illusion; and can only work as long as enough people in power believe so, and build a set of intangible barriers such as laws treating physical objects the same as intangible.
In fact, to some it seems that copyright infringement causes more damages than killing or raping people. Obviusly causing loses to a sacred american corporation is always worse than ruining an individual life...
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In the nick of time
Pirate Bay seems to be dead, dead, dead.... "Today the swedish anti-piracy organisations raided The Pirate Bay and confiscated the computers running the tracker. This probably means the end of The Pirate Bay and we, the crew, apologize for all loss of income caused by our activity over the years." http://tracker.piratbyran.org/ 1) too bad 2) they poked a lot of people in the eye...
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Re:ISP's
Here in Sweden they do, sort of.
We have a law which protects how personal information like name, address, and so on should be handled on the Internet and after a much noticed raid of the ISP Bahnhof the swedish anti piracy agency APB got much criticism. Among other things it was said that an IP-address could actually be considered personal information, which makes the PUL (PersonUppgiftsLagen, Personal Information Law) kick in. Which for instance makes it illegal to spread that information in whatever way you feel for without permission from the person it matters. And also we have a law to protect someones privacy called Sekretesslagen.
Anyway, it all ends up in that for a small crime (which "regular" fileshareing seems to belong to) the ISP aren't allowed to share the name and other things with APB. If the crime is considered large the Police could probably get the information, but anyway.
Also APB have sent out a large amount of letters to scare people who uses common P2P programs, they haven't done that directly thought, they have given the IP-address to the ISP which have forwarded the message to the costumer. However noone I know using the ISP Bredbandsbolaget have gotten any mail/letters, and it's said Labs2 doesn't send out any either, because they don't care about what the private APB wants. Labs2 have also said they have gone one step longer only logging what is required by law and stop logging the rest to protect the privacy of their users.
More information can be found at:
http://www.piratbyran.org/
APBs webpage http://www.antipiratbyran.com/ is down since they got hacked.
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Commie bastards?
Antipiratbyrån are a bunch of commie bastards....Oh sorry, I meant CAPITALIST bastards.
The poor bastards may have some large companies on their side but they're hated by the people.
Who would you rather support? The organization dedicated to suing you because you couldn't afford to buy a program and couldn't afford to be without it, or the organization dedicated to making people happy by not forcing them to buy stuff (http://www.piratbyran.org/)?
Okay, that didn't come out quite as I wanted it to but I basicly meant that the people don't want capitalist bastards suing them over intellectual property, they want stuff for free.
Also, I'd like to apologise to all capitalists. I don't think it's a bad thing, but when it's too much, it's way too much.
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Re:First Thoughts
The world's largest P2P tracker was unharmed when MPAA went berserk and is at tracker.piratbyran.org.
There's sometimes some web server hickups and they've done some maintenance recently.
The server load increased a lot when Suprnova entered hide & seek mode.
Just wait a while if it's down and it should be online again, with thousands of torrents and seeders. ;-) -
Re:Can any swedish lawyers comment?The Pirate Bay is run in parallel with Piratbyran ("the Pirate Company") which is a Swedish organization created to encourage new approaches to IP laws and media culture. They are probably Sweden's foremost champion of P2P file sharing, having participated in numerous national radio and TV interviews and debates, and organizing and sponsoring events related to P2P file sharing and internet media culture.
If you know Swedish, their site provides you among other things with P2P and IP related news, tutorials on ripping, compressing and distributing media on various P2P networks, papers on how various P2P protocols work, links to articles and research papers on P2P, internet media and Open Source, as well as an entire section on legal matters regarding P2P in Sweden and abroad.
This is not what I would consider typical "geek fare", although I must say that I would generally lend more credence to a well-informed geek's knowledge of IP law than, say, whatever FUD the **AA happens to be spouting on a particular day.
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Re:Can any swedish lawyers comment?The Pirate Bay is run in parallel with Piratbyran ("the Pirate Company") which is a Swedish organization created to encourage new approaches to IP laws and media culture. They are probably Sweden's foremost champion of P2P file sharing, having participated in numerous national radio and TV interviews and debates, and organizing and sponsoring events related to P2P file sharing and internet media culture.
If you know Swedish, their site provides you among other things with P2P and IP related news, tutorials on ripping, compressing and distributing media on various P2P networks, papers on how various P2P protocols work, links to articles and research papers on P2P, internet media and Open Source, as well as an entire section on legal matters regarding P2P in Sweden and abroad.
This is not what I would consider typical "geek fare", although I must say that I would generally lend more credence to a well-informed geek's knowledge of IP law than, say, whatever FUD the **AA happens to be spouting on a particular day.
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torrent link
Seriously, if you like the game go and buy it. Game developers deserve your contribution.
I only post this link for the poor souls like me who prefer to take in the whole game first before buying it.
The problem with demos is that it cuts you short. I hate playing a demo, really get into it, and then have to go out and buy the game to play same levels again before I can continue. I'd rather play the illegal version and then buy it. If demos supported migrating a saved game to the full version, I would post a demo link.
Here it is.
And here is the about:torrent. -
torrent link
Seriously, if you like the game go and buy it. Game developers deserve your contribution.
I only post this link for the poor souls like me who prefer to take in the whole game first before buying it.
The problem with demos is that it cuts you short. I hate playing a demo, really get into it, and then have to go out and buy the game to play same levels again before I can continue. I'd rather play the illegal version and then buy it. If demos supported migrating a saved game to the full version, I would post a demo link.
Here it is.
And here is the about:torrent. -
Re:need proof of this
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Re:These guys have a good point!NickeB, you almost seem to have some personal grudge against Piratbyrån?
;-) Although I to not support their demand for the abolishment of all IP I maintain my position that it's good that someone makes some noise. A lot of the things they are advocating are things that I think should be legal (e.g. all copying for personal use). And look at their "Småpiraterna" campaign*. I think it's brilliant.* "Småpiraterna" means "the little pirates" and is a web page about how parents can download movies, games etc for their children. Statements like "Now I don't have to chose between cartoons and new boots. She can have both" (my transaltion) are mixed with advertising style pictures of parents and children.
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Re:These guys have a good point!NickeB, you almost seem to have some personal grudge against Piratbyrån?
;-) Although I to not support their demand for the abolishment of all IP I maintain my position that it's good that someone makes some noise. A lot of the things they are advocating are things that I think should be legal (e.g. all copying for personal use). And look at their "Småpiraterna" campaign*. I think it's brilliant.* "Småpiraterna" means "the little pirates" and is a web page about how parents can download movies, games etc for their children. Statements like "Now I don't have to chose between cartoons and new boots. She can have both" (my transaltion) are mixed with advertising style pictures of parents and children.
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Warez the future
I looked through all of the images of the demonstration, and found one to have a particularly good shot of one of the banners, which happened to be a pretty good pun.
Warez the future! -
Better AYBABTU picture
Congratulations to whoever made the AYBABTU sign.
Anyone else noticed, that at first the article linked to a picture which wasn't very good. But a short while after the article came on slashdot they swapped around two of the pictures on the server, such that now the link point to a better picture of their sign. DSCF0023.JPG DSCF0033.JPG -
Better AYBABTU picture
Congratulations to whoever made the AYBABTU sign.
Anyone else noticed, that at first the article linked to a picture which wasn't very good. But a short while after the article came on slashdot they swapped around two of the pictures on the server, such that now the link point to a better picture of their sign. DSCF0023.JPG DSCF0033.JPG -
Re:Demanding bandwidth?
Yes, http://www.piratbyran.org/ is SO slow!
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I don't like this group...
but this sign brings back some sweet memories =)