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Posted by chrisd on Tuesday December 11, @08:22PM
from the no-mention-of-peg-legs-and-eye-patches dept.
akiaki007 was among many who wrote in to say: "Check out this article on the New York Times (free reg, blah blah) site. The CmdrTaco have raided 27 cities in 21 states. Raid sites include MIT, UCLA, Purdue, Duke, UofO, all hot-beds of young tender assholes. Their main target was the group DrinkOrDie, an asshole appreciation club. 'This is a new frontier for crime,' Kenneth W. Dam, deputy secretary of the Treasury, said at a news briefing. 'The costs are enormous to both industry and consumers.' I better hide my asshole. They might think it's some weird fucking tool."

No kidding. As a console collector, I've got probably twice as many systems as he mentioned, and expected the article to be incomplete. It's far worse than that.

His article completely glosses over the fact that consoles trounced "computers" (and by that he means IBM PC clones) for most of history as far as quality and quantity of games as well as technology. He fast-forwarded up to Doom and got to the point where Wintel machines were a contender. For nearly twenty years before that (and the IBM PC wasn't around for half of that), consoles were king, and the computers that were in the same league (like the Commodore 64 and the Atari 8-bits) don't even get a mention.

History gets revised all the time, but compressing an entire industry into "there once was the Atari 2600 and now there's the Xbox", and not even talking about the former is ridiculous.

Want to hear something funny? I bet more people will buy an Atari 2600 this week than an Xbox. Neither one is available at any store around here, and collectors buy Atari stuff all the time!

One of these days I'll finish photographing my collection and set up a nice web site. Until then, you can find out a lot more about the history of consoles at the history of video games homepage, which is great but no longer being updated.

ab

How about holding various companies whose products are exploited the most (re: MS) liable for their lack of security?

There was a recent security seminar sponsored by the Georgia Tech Information Security Center by Gene Spafford who is the director of the Purdue CERIAS (Center for Education and Research in Information Assurance and Security), where he mentioned the problems with security and the software industry. One of his slides in his presentation showed that Windows NT and Windows 2000 (combined), RedHat Linux and Solaris are respectively the first, second and third on the lists of OSes that have had vulnerabilities discovered in the past five years.

Legislation that aims to punish companies for writing insecure software would harm almost every company that writes any software that is aimed at being used in a server/multi-user environment since security is an absolute that most non-trivial software does not reach.

Secondly, who will be forced to pay when it comes to Open Source vulnerabilities? wu-ftp is notoriously broken , as is telnetd , sendmail, BIND and some would consider recent bugs in the Linux kernel as OS vulnerabilities. Opening the door to lawsuits to software developers for writing software would probably kill a number of projects rather quickly.

I'd rather that we let capitalism take its course. If customers want secure products then they should stop buying insecure products or they should communicate to the vendors that security is of importance to them. As long as consumers (both individuals and corporate entities) continue to accept the status quo then no change will be made but I don't believe that lawsuits will solve anything except make some lawyers rich and significantly increase the cost of software as the effects of the lawsuits are passed on to consumers.

Gene Spafford's Rob Morris FAQ

<nitpick>I think this is more like the concept of the OS rather than the philosophy. The philosophy of UNIX is to use small tools that each do one thing extremely well.</nitpick>

Well I will find the link then.

To form the possessive of a noun that ends in "s," add "apostrophe s" like this:

Scott Adams's God's Debris

See here for a quick reference.

All PROspace activists should lobby congress heavily to favor NASP over Space Station. The reason is simple: Since NASP is totally bankrupt technically and is promising "results" in a few years, we could kill off Space Station almost immediately and NASP would die in another 5 years or so.

The situation with NASP dying to save Space Station is terrible. We really do need space facilities. Now we will end up with a gold-plated, bureaucrat-controlled CDSF about 10 to 15 years after we could have had an affordable, industry-controlled CDSF. Giving NASP enough rope to really jerk its head off when it falls would be a great wake-up call to Congress.

Unfortunately, Congress has just enough knowlege to see that NASP won't work and that maybe NASA can fly something called a Space Station. They don't have any deeper insight.

All PROspace activists should lobby congress heavily to favor NASP over Space Station. The reason is simple: Since NASP is totally bankrupt technically and is promising "results" in a few years, we could kill off Space Station almost immediately and NASP would die in another 5 years or so.

The situation with NASP dying to save Space Station is terrible. We really do need space facilities. Now we will end up with a gold-plated, bureaucrat-controlled CDSF about 10 to 15 years after we could have had an affordable, industry-controlled CDSF. Giving NASP enough rope to really jerk its head off when it falls would be a great wake-up call to Congress.

Unfortunately, Congress has just enough knowlege to see that NASP won't work and that maybe NASA can fly something called a Space Station. They don't have any deeper insight.

Window's

Check out the GA Archive. Great collection of the more famous GA's and proceedings.

For those wishing to get an intro to GA, try The Hitchhiker's Guide to Evolutionary Computation.

In the largest award ever in a patent-infringement case, a Federal judge ruled yesterday [October 1990] that the Eastman Kodak Company must pay the Polaroid Corporation $909.4 million for infringing Polaroid's patents for instant photography.
...
Both companies are widely held. Kodak, which has annual sales of $18 billion, has about 172,000 stockholders and Polaroid, which is much smaller with sales of about $1.9 billion, has about 21,000.
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The award brings closer to an end a battle that began in April 1976, when Kodak introduced a line of instant cameras. Polaroid filed suit six days later, charging that Kodak infringed 10 patents, most involving technology in Polaroid's SX-70 system, which had been introduced in 1972.

Our lab here at Purdue, PRIME Lab, is a great example of this, retooling an older tandem accelerator lab for a new use as funding for nuclear physics began to dry up, and other similar facilities around the country closed. We've even got one of the accelerators with the highest energies of any AMS facility in the US by reusing the facility in this way.

Newbie: Does anyone have any opinions about Bose speakers?
Five Responses: There are better speakers for the money including brands X, Y, and Z.
Bose Defender: But Bose speakers offer superior design. They're the most popular speaker in the world, and for good reason.
Ten Responses: Popularity does not equal quality. (Many long detailed rebuttals to the Bose defender. Tone tends to be slightly hostile since they've done this several times before. Some are very hostile --- "Bose sucks!!!")
Bose Defender: No. You're all wrong.
Fifteen Responses: What?! (Many more long posts explaining again why they are right)
Bose Defender: (not in response to anything in particular) But Bose is a large corporation with excellent customer service. Other smaller companies may fail, leaving you without service.
Twenty Responses: Good service for a poor quality product? So what? (Many more detailed responses about the problems they perceive with Bose, plus more "Bose sucks!!!" posts)
Bose Defender: Bose is a very popular speaker. More people buy Bose speakers than any other speaker, and Bose has very high customer satisfaction rates.
Twenty-five Responses: Agggh!! We just explained that quality does not equal popularity. Can't you read? Are you an IDIOT?
Bose Defender: No. I'm not the idiot, you're all idiots. This newsgroup is populated by a small clique of crazy "audiophile" types who spend hundreds of dollars for cable that doesn't even make a difference.
Newbie: (forgot about the newbie didn't you!) (in a weak voice) I want my mommy.

First of all, whatever else you say about my post, the technical details are correct. Second, the people who are talking shit about this particular model of speaker, made in 1981 when bose still knew how to make a speaker (they seem to have forgotten all that in favor of marketing now) probably have never even heard this particular type before.

While bose has always been quite overpriced, and now can't seem to make anything with any quality, they do or did know quite a bit about how to design a speaker, and put out some good hardware back in the eighties. It was rarely worth what you'd pay for it, but if you get it used, it's just fine. Better than fine, even.

Someone even referred me to the Bose FAQ. In the section on "How To Listen To Bose" (I use my ears) they give the following pearl:

Expectations. If you expect Bose to sound good, it is likely to sound good. Vice versa, if you expect Bose to sound bad, it is likely to sound bad. Try to keep an open mind. Better yet, try to compare speakers without knowing which brands you are listening to. In this sense, the less you know about the speaker you're listening to, the better.

The funny thing is, when I got them three of the woofers had bad suspensions, and I expected it to sound like shit. While it definitely sounded bad in the low end (In the way trashed suspension always does) mid and high range sound was good, and even the low end was dramatically better than I expected it to be, all things considered. Add to that that I paid $100 for them and they start to look like a really good deal.

If you take a look at the section of the Bose FAQ on How to Listen to Bose you can get some good laughs. While most of the information is strictly true, I especially enjoyed the statement "Color, size, styling, lighting, etc. can affect your judgements." Yeah, that's true. But that kind of thing goes away if you close your eyes, which is a nice low-tech method of solving that particular problem.

All in all, what you say about my stereo equipment is unimportant when you consider the rest of it. The fact is that what comes out of an mp3 is not what went into a riff/wave file, or CDDA for that matter.

You just said "Bose" and "reproduce sounds *very* well" in the same paragraph. Sorry if I'm chortling right now...

Read the Bose Faq, and please be more careful with your future purchases.

>Deep bass tends to get crunchy VERY fast,

Sorry guy, that's your speakers talking. MP3 gets 'watery' when its compressed too much. Your drivers are likely made of plain paper. Read reviews of the product before you moderate. Some high, many, many, many rock-bottom low. And really, plain paper? My clock radio uses the same technology.

Really, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but before you spend mega-$$$ on anything again, look it up on the 'net. You just might be doing yourself a favour.

But then the lawyers came to the rescue! Yay!

The winner and effect of the 1996 Ig Nobel Prize in Chemistry is not exactly a secret...not that there has been consumer demand yet to ignite charcoal in 3 seconds, nor is there a consumer grill which is not severely damaged by the process.

The winner and effect of the 1996 Ig Nobel Prize in Chemistry is not exactly a secret...not that there has been consumer demand yet to ignite charcoal in 3 seconds, nor is there a consumer grill which is not severely damaged by the process.

Starting a grill with liquid oxygen.

also stated that a charcoal soaked with Liquid Ox had the same explosive power asa dynamite stick.

You make a lot of valid points. I work for the systems staff at a large university and we are transitioning all of our mail services from Sun boxes to cheap PCs running Linux. We evaluated distributions a few months ago and SuSE was disqualified within an hour. It was both annoying to use and annoying to administer, and nobody wanted to test it any further.

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/010917.Ch ang.quantum.html

Tom.

Rocking good fun!

Also -- for a bit of well crafted flash reminiscence -- check Lazarus

rcmiv

I work on all kinds of cars, whenever I can. I used to be a faculty advisor for a college car club at Purdue University, (http://fox.vet.purdue.edu/) and got down and dirty with all sorts of automobiles.

My current project vehicle and daily driver is a 1984 Chevy K10 Blazer with the 6.2L diesel. I'm planning on adding a turbo kit from Banks in a year or so, and get this truck over 40mpg on the highway.

Should be interesting...

Hehe, tell 'em like it is, Ryan. Good luck in school this semester. m

IMO gcc's optimization is generally weak. gcc doesn't have any MMX/SSE/SSE2 support, and even without considering vertorization it produces code that's around 20% slower than the Intel compiler.

gcc 3.0 apparently has an entirely new x86 back end, but from comments I've heard it produces code that's around 5% SLOWER than the old back end... It'd be nice to see some comprehensive benchmarks of gcc 2.95 vs 3.0 though.

There's a very interesting open source SIMD compiler project (mainly focusing on MMX) at Purdue university:

http://shay.ecn.purdue.edu/~swar/Index.html

The thing is, most people have never heard a high-end (or moderately high-end) system. So it's easy for them to dismiss it as people blowing money. My audio hardware is of excellent quality and will outlast any of the mass-market Circuit City units by 15 years, easy. It's highly unlikely I'll ever have to replace my stereo due to it being broken.

Perhaps the most important thing in buying high-end equipment is listening. A surprising number of people don't do this. They look up specs for watts and distortion not realizing that the stereo companies actually engineer their equipment to come in with "better specs" but in doing so they completely ruin the actual sound quality. I have a very good system "on the cheap" (comparatively) because I spent a lot of time in my local dealer's showroom matching components with speakers. You wouldn't think you could tell a difference?? Even my wife could, and she's deaf in one ear! She had very distinct opinions about the various equipment we listened to, even though at first she thought the idea of expensive audio equipment was pretty silly. She even wishes we could've got the more expensive integrated amplifier because it sounded obviously better.

It's easy to think some of these audio nuts are smoking crack -- thousands of dollars on speaker wires or interconnects (patch cords)?? I borrowed two sets of interconnects from my local dealer for a week to decide which set I wanted to keep (each one was about $100). A friend and I sat around for hours comparing the two and there were obvious differences! If you'd told me five years ago that there are significant, audible differences between two patch cords (which just conduct the electric signal) I would've called you crazy! Alas, it's true. You just have to make out a budget and then stick to it -- try different combinations of components until you get the one that sounds best to your ears.

And oh yeah, Bose is not the best , not even close. They just have marketing that has convinced people that they are the cat's meow. Walk into your local store and listen to Bose, then go into a high-end dealer and listen to their cheapest equipment--you'll laugh at yourself for considering Bose.

I found this picture a long time ago and found it humorous. I saved it to my hard drive and largely forgot about it until now. I've posted it on my website http://www.sellingmysoul.com. I apologise for the crappy layout, but I just modified the site in a hurry. If you want to avoid the html all together, the standalone image is at http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~budzinsk/macq.jpg. I take no credit for making this MacQuarium. I just found the image a long time ago. Enjoy.

~Mike

~Mike

If you want to see what filehandles are open - as in, files & sockets - lsof is useful.

The checksummers take a couple of minutes to check timestamps, and at least a few minutes for checksumming; lsof could be scripted to run in a loop, I guess. These are tools for use at intervals. If you want to get a continual log, look at strace. If you want to be able to reverse the changes, you could try chroot, or back up your system, or use a test system.

You mean like RevRDist?!

Damn -- I was surpised to hear that what I was doing in 1997 has only this year become possible. If only I had listened to informed people like you, then I would've known better.

Seriously though, RevRDist is great stuff. If you like Macs, especially if you work with them, you owe it to yourself to learn how to work it. It takes some hacking: ResEdit, diffing files, understanding the Gestalt function, etc. It saves alot of work and maintenance in the long run, and you learn a lot about the MacOS at the file/resource level.

Here are some links to the necessary RPMs:
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/redha t/redhat-6.2-en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/libc-5.3.12-31 .i386.rpm
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/redha t/redhat-6.2-en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ld.so-1.9.5-13 .i386.rpm

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Am I the only Slashdotter who is sick and tired of losing 9000 karma points every time they moderate?

Here are some links to the necessary RPMs:
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/redha t/redhat-6.2-en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/libc-5.3.12-31 .i386.rpm
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/redha t/redhat-6.2-en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ld.so-1.9.5-13 .i386.rpm

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Am I the only Slashdotter who is sick and tired of losing 9000 karma points every time they moderate?

Spaf has previously spoken out in favor of 2600 in their appeal vs. the MPAA in the DeCSS case through his involvment in an amicus breif. You can read the brief here and the /. discussion here.

In any event, Spaf's proximity to the event (only an hour and a half from Purdue to BSU) would probably make him more likely to agree to participate, as you're not likely to pull any other experts from a great distance to give a short talk unless you're spotting their airfare.

The manager at Microvision came to where I worked last summer to do a deomostration. Our company was investigating wearable computers for some time critical missions. The estimation is, if the engineerers can save 10 minutes per job with the wearable computer, then in 10 jobs we will get our money's worth.

The thing wasn't too big as compare to a Xybernaut.(Which I played with for a while as shown here. Please show this to your female friends and see if I can impress any of them. I thought it was more impressive than a Corvette, but so far I have no luck.)

It only displays in red because the other types of colored laser needs humongous sized equipment. And yes, this thing does shoot a laser in the eyes and when we questioned the safty thier manager told me they can show a great deal of proof of saftely machanism. If you have ever wondered about how it was possible to shoot laser precisely into your retina, well, they actually use an array of rays, not just one set.

I have actually used the demo retina display for about 15 minutes. It works great under any type of light surroundings and image was razor sharp. They grey scale also worked like wonders.

Microvision claimed last summer that they will acheive 600x800 resolution in production, while they showed us the 640x480 model. Frankly it was good enough. But that is not the most important thing. What really seperates the retina display from LCD based display like what's used in Sony Glasstron and Xybernaut and other dozens of displays at last years' wearable computing expo is that retina display is the only method that TRUELY display information as a completely transparent display, so our engineerers can actually see what they are doing while reading information at the same time. How? The displayed image is actually focused on something like 3 feet (I forgot the exact number, and whether or not it is adjustable.) in front of you, so by changing your eye's focus point, You can swtich between the real world background and the retina display.

So how much was the damage? well I think they were saying that their projected price was something short of 20k. Makes your $500 glasstron looks like a gameboy's toy which it is. I personally would definitely throw in that money if I had it :)

The first multiprocessor BSD was running in 1981, a decade or more before the first SMP Linux. (The reference mostly describes the hardware, which was an even better hack than the software.)

How about the web-based application that Purdue students use to get class schedules, vote on issues and student elections, order concert tickets, get grades, get transcripts, get exam schedules, arrange for housing, and pretty much do all of their interaction with the university that doesn't include actually attending class? Yep, it's SSINFO and it's all (VisualWorks) Smalltalk, all on the web. The project is expanding over the course of 9 years to include financial aid and a host of other applications. Come to Purdue - home of Gene Spafford and some serious cutting edge software development.

From their site: Purdue, Sourceforge, CMU, Sunsite.dk. Purdue and dk's fast, CMU dead - YKMV.
--
mrBlond

But hey, this is /. - where my opinion counts too!

Actually, I looked at all the pictures, and in only a very few of them (mostly all on the very last set) show actual "property" destruction:

Photos 28, 29 and 30 seem to show people dragging branches somewhere. With the occurrance of fire in several images, we can suspect that they are dragging them to a fire (but hey, who knows - maybe they have some crafting they need to do?)...

At least photo 53 wasn't as stupid (next time, wear a ski mask!)...

Photo 58 shows a man wielding a large piece of what appears to be wood - maybe going to throw it on a fire - or bash Mr. 61 about the shoulders, one of the two (wipe that smirk off yer face, nugget!)...

Photo 62 - Praise Stallman!!!

Photo 70 - Use the Force, Luke!!

Photo 77 - "Dude, where'd my doob go...? F*ckin' riot..."

Photo 86 - Now showing a better image of the Cydonian Face...

photos 95 and 96 show someone with another large piece of wood - probably not a picket sign. On the same page we have 99 and 101 doing more branch dragging (they must love crafting there at Purdue!)...

Photo 109 - Wow! I found a doob!

Now, it definitely looks like in Photo 150 there is a set of individuals up to no good with that mailbox - but why don't they note that the other guy (in black pants and grey vest) was involved as well? And why does that man look like he may actually be security or something?

The final page is about the only one that shows real good clear pictures of anybody causing destruction - and if you notice, most of the stuff they seem to be burning came from a DUMPSTER. They must value their trash very highly at Purdue, alright...

So, in closing - while there seem to have been some people causing havoc, and that one shouldn't blatently set fire to anything in public, I doubt $100,000 worth of damage occurred (unless they count the mailbox and the signpost - but only the mailbox seemed damaged). If those were damaged, then the individuals should have to pay retribution (include Mr. Blackpants, whoever he is). As for the others, they just seem to be bystanders, who didn't stop what was happening (and rant all you want about them not stopping it, but I would be they either wouldn't be heard, or they would be assaulted for their views, or something equally bad).

Oh, BTW, photo 49 offends me - WTF is that guy grabbing himself for? It ain't going anywhere, pal (actually, it takes more than that to offend me, but I have to admit the guy looks patently stupid making that gesture - I mean, if that guy can get a higher education, than anybody should).

Worldcom - Generation Duh!

But hey, this is /. - where my opinion counts too!

Actually, I looked at all the pictures, and in only a very few of them (mostly all on the very last set) show actual "property" destruction:

Photos 28, 29 and 30 seem to show people dragging branches somewhere. With the occurrance of fire in several images, we can suspect that they are dragging them to a fire (but hey, who knows - maybe they have some crafting they need to do?)...

At least photo 53 wasn't as stupid (next time, wear a ski mask!)...

Photo 58 shows a man wielding a large piece of what appears to be wood - maybe going to throw it on a fire - or bash Mr. 61 about the shoulders, one of the two (wipe that smirk off yer face, nugget!)...

Photo 62 - Praise Stallman!!!

Photo 70 - Use the Force, Luke!!

Photo 77 - "Dude, where'd my doob go...? F*ckin' riot..."

Photo 86 - Now showing a better image of the Cydonian Face...

photos 95 and 96 show someone with another large piece of wood - probably not a picket sign. On the same page we have 99 and 101 doing more branch dragging (they must love crafting there at Purdue!)...

Photo 109 - Wow! I found a doob!

Now, it definitely looks like in Photo 150 there is a set of individuals up to no good with that mailbox - but why don't they note that the other guy (in black pants and grey vest) was involved as well? And why does that man look like he may actually be security or something?

The final page is about the only one that shows real good clear pictures of anybody causing destruction - and if you notice, most of the stuff they seem to be burning came from a DUMPSTER. They must value their trash very highly at Purdue, alright...

So, in closing - while there seem to have been some people causing havoc, and that one shouldn't blatently set fire to anything in public, I doubt $100,000 worth of damage occurred (unless they count the mailbox and the signpost - but only the mailbox seemed damaged). If those were damaged, then the individuals should have to pay retribution (include Mr. Blackpants, whoever he is). As for the others, they just seem to be bystanders, who didn't stop what was happening (and rant all you want about them not stopping it, but I would be they either wouldn't be heard, or they would be assaulted for their views, or something equally bad).

Oh, BTW, photo 49 offends me - WTF is that guy grabbing himself for? It ain't going anywhere, pal (actually, it takes more than that to offend me, but I have to admit the guy looks patently stupid making that gesture - I mean, if that guy can get a higher education, than anybody should).

Worldcom - Generation Duh!

But hey, this is /. - where my opinion counts too!

Actually, I looked at all the pictures, and in only a very few of them (mostly all on the very last set) show actual "property" destruction:

Photos 28, 29 and 30 seem to show people dragging branches somewhere. With the occurrance of fire in several images, we can suspect that they are dragging them to a fire (but hey, who knows - maybe they have some crafting they need to do?)...

At least photo 53 wasn't as stupid (next time, wear a ski mask!)...

Photo 58 shows a man wielding a large piece of what appears to be wood - maybe going to throw it on a fire - or bash Mr. 61 about the shoulders, one of the two (wipe that smirk off yer face, nugget!)...

Photo 62 - Praise Stallman!!!

Photo 70 - Use the Force, Luke!!

Photo 77 - "Dude, where'd my doob go...? F*ckin' riot..."

Photo 86 - Now showing a better image of the Cydonian Face...

photos 95 and 96 show someone with another large piece of wood - probably not a picket sign. On the same page we have 99 and 101 doing more branch dragging (they must love crafting there at Purdue!)...

Photo 109 - Wow! I found a doob!

Now, it definitely looks like in Photo 150 there is a set of individuals up to no good with that mailbox - but why don't they note that the other guy (in black pants and grey vest) was involved as well? And why does that man look like he may actually be security or something?

The final page is about the only one that shows real good clear pictures of anybody causing destruction - and if you notice, most of the stuff they seem to be burning came from a DUMPSTER. They must value their trash very highly at Purdue, alright...

So, in closing - while there seem to have been some people causing havoc, and that one shouldn't blatently set fire to anything in public, I doubt $100,000 worth of damage occurred (unless they count the mailbox and the signpost - but only the mailbox seemed damaged). If those were damaged, then the individuals should have to pay retribution (include Mr. Blackpants, whoever he is). As for the others, they just seem to be bystanders, who didn't stop what was happening (and rant all you want about them not stopping it, but I would be they either wouldn't be heard, or they would be assaulted for their views, or something equally bad).

Oh, BTW, photo 49 offends me - WTF is that guy grabbing himself for? It ain't going anywhere, pal (actually, it takes more than that to offend me, but I have to admit the guy looks patently stupid making that gesture - I mean, if that guy can get a higher education, than anybody should).

Worldcom - Generation Duh!

But hey, this is /. - where my opinion counts too!

Actually, I looked at all the pictures, and in only a very few of them (mostly all on the very last set) show actual "property" destruction:

Photos 28, 29 and 30 seem to show people dragging branches somewhere. With the occurrance of fire in several images, we can suspect that they are dragging them to a fire (but hey, who knows - maybe they have some crafting they need to do?)...

At least photo 53 wasn't as stupid (next time, wear a ski mask!)...

Photo 58 shows a man wielding a large piece of what appears to be wood - maybe going to throw it on a fire - or bash Mr. 61 about the shoulders, one of the two (wipe that smirk off yer face, nugget!)...

Photo 62 - Praise Stallman!!!

Photo 70 - Use the Force, Luke!!

Photo 77 - "Dude, where'd my doob go...? F*ckin' riot..."

Photo 86 - Now showing a better image of the Cydonian Face...

photos 95 and 96 show someone with another large piece of wood - probably not a picket sign. On the same page we have 99 and 101 doing more branch dragging (they must love crafting there at Purdue!)...

Photo 109 - Wow! I found a doob!

Now, it definitely looks like in Photo 150 there is a set of individuals up to no good with that mailbox - but why don't they note that the other guy (in black pants and grey vest) was involved as well? And why does that man look like he may actually be security or something?

The final page is about the only one that shows real good clear pictures of anybody causing destruction - and if you notice, most of the stuff they seem to be burning came from a DUMPSTER. They must value their trash very highly at Purdue, alright...

So, in closing - while there seem to have been some people causing havoc, and that one shouldn't blatently set fire to anything in public, I doubt $100,000 worth of damage occurred (unless they count the mailbox and the signpost - but only the mailbox seemed damaged). If those were damaged, then the individuals should have to pay retribution (include Mr. Blackpants, whoever he is). As for the others, they just seem to be bystanders, who didn't stop what was happening (and rant all you want about them not stopping it, but I would be they either wouldn't be heard, or they would be assaulted for their views, or something equally bad).

Oh, BTW, photo 49 offends me - WTF is that guy grabbing himself for? It ain't going anywhere, pal (actually, it takes more than that to offend me, but I have to admit the guy looks patently stupid making that gesture - I mean, if that guy can get a higher education, than anybody should).

Worldcom - Generation Duh!

But hey, this is /. - where my opinion counts too!

Actually, I looked at all the pictures, and in only a very few of them (mostly all on the very last set) show actual "property" destruction:

Photos 28, 29 and 30 seem to show people dragging branches somewhere. With the occurrance of fire in several images, we can suspect that they are dragging them to a fire (but hey, who knows - maybe they have some crafting they need to do?)...

At least photo 53 wasn't as stupid (next time, wear a ski mask!)...

Photo 58 shows a man wielding a large piece of what appears to be wood - maybe going to throw it on a fire - or bash Mr. 61 about the shoulders, one of the two (wipe that smirk off yer face, nugget!)...

Photo 62 - Praise Stallman!!!

Photo 70 - Use the Force, Luke!!

Photo 77 - "Dude, where'd my doob go...? F*ckin' riot..."

Photo 86 - Now showing a better image of the Cydonian Face...

photos 95 and 96 show someone with another large piece of wood - probably not a picket sign. On the same page we have 99 and 101 doing more branch dragging (they must love crafting there at Purdue!)...

Photo 109 - Wow! I found a doob!

Now, it definitely looks like in Photo 150 there is a set of individuals up to no good with that mailbox - but why don't they note that the other guy (in black pants and grey vest) was involved as well? And why does that man look like he may actually be security or something?

The final page is about the only one that shows real good clear pictures of anybody causing destruction - and if you notice, most of the stuff they seem to be burning came from a DUMPSTER. They must value their trash very highly at Purdue, alright...

So, in closing - while there seem to have been some people causing havoc, and that one shouldn't blatently set fire to anything in public, I doubt $100,000 worth of damage occurred (unless they count the mailbox and the signpost - but only the mailbox seemed damaged). If those were damaged, then the individuals should have to pay retribution (include Mr. Blackpants, whoever he is). As for the others, they just seem to be bystanders, who didn't stop what was happening (and rant all you want about them not stopping it, but I would be they either wouldn't be heard, or they would be assaulted for their views, or something equally bad).

Oh, BTW, photo 49 offends me - WTF is that guy grabbing himself for? It ain't going anywhere, pal (actually, it takes more than that to offend me, but I have to admit the guy looks patently stupid making that gesture - I mean, if that guy can get a higher education, than anybody should).

Worldcom - Generation Duh!

But hey, this is /. - where my opinion counts too!

Actually, I looked at all the pictures, and in only a very few of them (mostly all on the very last set) show actual "property" destruction:

Photos 28, 29 and 30 seem to show people dragging branches somewhere. With the occurrance of fire in several images, we can suspect that they are dragging them to a fire (but hey, who knows - maybe they have some crafting they need to do?)...

At least photo 53 wasn't as stupid (next time, wear a ski mask!)...

Photo 58 shows a man wielding a large piece of what appears to be wood - maybe going to throw it on a fire - or bash Mr. 61 about the shoulders, one of the two (wipe that smirk off yer face, nugget!)...

Photo 62 - Praise Stallman!!!

Photo 70 - Use the Force, Luke!!

Photo 77 - "Dude, where'd my doob go...? F*ckin' riot..."

Photo 86 - Now showing a better image of the Cydonian Face...

photos 95 and 96 show someone with another large piece of wood - probably not a picket sign. On the same page we have 99 and 101 doing more branch dragging (they must love crafting there at Purdue!)...

Photo 109 - Wow! I found a doob!

Now, it definitely looks like in Photo 150 there is a set of individuals up to no good with that mailbox - but why don't they note that the other guy (in black pants and grey vest) was involved as well? And why does that man look like he may actually be security or something?

The final page is about the only one that shows real good clear pictures of anybody causing destruction - and if you notice, most of the stuff they seem to be burning came from a DUMPSTER. They must value their trash very highly at Purdue, alright...

So, in closing - while there seem to have been some people causing havoc, and that one shouldn't blatently set fire to anything in public, I doubt $100,000 worth of damage occurred (unless they count the mailbox and the signpost - but only the mailbox seemed damaged). If those were damaged, then the individuals should have to pay retribution (include Mr. Blackpants, whoever he is). As for the others, they just seem to be bystanders, who didn't stop what was happening (and rant all you want about them not stopping it, but I would be they either wouldn't be heard, or they would be assaulted for their views, or something equally bad).

Oh, BTW, photo 49 offends me - WTF is that guy grabbing himself for? It ain't going anywhere, pal (actually, it takes more than that to offend me, but I have to admit the guy looks patently stupid making that gesture - I mean, if that guy can get a higher education, than anybody should).

Worldcom - Generation Duh!

But hey, this is /. - where my opinion counts too!

Actually, I looked at all the pictures, and in only a very few of them (mostly all on the very last set) show actual "property" destruction:

Photos 28, 29 and 30 seem to show people dragging branches somewhere. With the occurrance of fire in several images, we can suspect that they are dragging them to a fire (but hey, who knows - maybe they have some crafting they need to do?)...

At least photo 53 wasn't as stupid (next time, wear a ski mask!)...

Photo 58 shows a man wielding a large piece of what appears to be wood - maybe going to throw it on a fire - or bash Mr. 61 about the shoulders, one of the two (wipe that smirk off yer face, nugget!)...

Photo 62 - Praise Stallman!!!

Photo 70 - Use the Force, Luke!!

Photo 77 - "Dude, where'd my doob go...? F*ckin' riot..."

Photo 86 - Now showing a better image of the Cydonian Face...

photos 95 and 96 show someone with another large piece of wood - probably not a picket sign. On the same page we have 99 and 101 doing more branch dragging (they must love crafting there at Purdue!)...

Photo 109 - Wow! I found a doob!

Now, it definitely looks like in Photo 150 there is a set of individuals up to no good with that mailbox - but why don't they note that the other guy (in black pants and grey vest) was involved as well? And why does that man look like he may actually be security or something?

The final page is about the only one that shows real good clear pictures of anybody causing destruction - and if you notice, most of the stuff they seem to be burning came from a DUMPSTER. They must value their trash very highly at Purdue, alright...

So, in closing - while there seem to have been some people causing havoc, and that one shouldn't blatently set fire to anything in public, I doubt $100,000 worth of damage occurred (unless they count the mailbox and the signpost - but only the mailbox seemed damaged). If those were damaged, then the individuals should have to pay retribution (include Mr. Blackpants, whoever he is). As for the others, they just seem to be bystanders, who didn't stop what was happening (and rant all you want about them not stopping it, but I would be they either wouldn't be heard, or they would be assaulted for their views, or something equally bad).

Oh, BTW, photo 49 offends me - WTF is that guy grabbing himself for? It ain't going anywhere, pal (actually, it takes more than that to offend me, but I have to admit the guy looks patently stupid making that gesture - I mean, if that guy can get a higher education, than anybody should).

Worldcom - Generation Duh!

But hey, this is /. - where my opinion counts too!

Actually, I looked at all the pictures, and in only a very few of them (mostly all on the very last set) show actual "property" destruction:

Photos 28, 29 and 30 seem to show people dragging branches somewhere. With the occurrance of fire in several images, we can suspect that they are dragging them to a fire (but hey, who knows - maybe they have some crafting they need to do?)...

At least photo 53 wasn't as stupid (next time, wear a ski mask!)...

Photo 58 shows a man wielding a large piece of what appears to be wood - maybe going to throw it on a fire - or bash Mr. 61 about the shoulders, one of the two (wipe that smirk off yer face, nugget!)...

Photo 62 - Praise Stallman!!!

Photo 70 - Use the Force, Luke!!

Photo 77 - "Dude, where'd my doob go...? F*ckin' riot..."

Photo 86 - Now showing a better image of the Cydonian Face...

photos 95 and 96 show someone with another large piece of wood - probably not a picket sign. On the same page we have 99 and 101 doing more branch dragging (they must love crafting there at Purdue!)...

Photo 109 - Wow! I found a doob!

Now, it definitely looks like in Photo 150 there is a set of individuals up to no good with that mailbox - but why don't they note that the other guy (in black pants and grey vest) was involved as well? And why does that man look like he may actually be security or something?

The final page is about the only one that shows real good clear pictures of anybody causing destruction - and if you notice, most of the stuff they seem to be burning came from a DUMPSTER. They must value their trash very highly at Purdue, alright...

So, in closing - while there seem to have been some people causing havoc, and that one shouldn't blatently set fire to anything in public, I doubt $100,000 worth of damage occurred (unless they count the mailbox and the signpost - but only the mailbox seemed damaged). If those were damaged, then the individuals should have to pay retribution (include Mr. Blackpants, whoever he is). As for the others, they just seem to be bystanders, who didn't stop what was happening (and rant all you want about them not stopping it, but I would be they either wouldn't be heard, or they would be assaulted for their views, or something equally bad).

Oh, BTW, photo 49 offends me - WTF is that guy grabbing himself for? It ain't going anywhere, pal (actually, it takes more than that to offend me, but I have to admit the guy looks patently stupid making that gesture - I mean, if that guy can get a higher education, than anybody should).

Worldcom - Generation Duh!

But hey, this is /. - where my opinion counts too!

Actually, I looked at all the pictures, and in only a very few of them (mostly all on the very last set) show actual "property" destruction:

Photos 28, 29 and 30 seem to show people dragging branches somewhere. With the occurrance of fire in several images, we can suspect that they are dragging them to a fire (but hey, who knows - maybe they have some crafting they need to do?)...

At least photo 53 wasn't as stupid (next time, wear a ski mask!)...

Photo 58 shows a man wielding a large piece of what appears to be wood - maybe going to throw it on a fire - or bash Mr. 61 about the shoulders, one of the two (wipe that smirk off yer face, nugget!)...

Photo 62 - Praise Stallman!!!

Photo 70 - Use the Force, Luke!!

Photo 77 - "Dude, where'd my doob go...? F*ckin' riot..."

Photo 86 - Now showing a better image of the Cydonian Face...

photos 95 and 96 show someone with another large piece of wood - probably not a picket sign. On the same page we have 99 and 101 doing more branch dragging (they must love crafting there at Purdue!)...

Photo 109 - Wow! I found a doob!

Now, it definitely looks like in Photo 150 there is a set of individuals up to no good with that mailbox - but why don't they note that the other guy (in black pants and grey vest) was involved as well? And why does that man look like he may actually be security or something?

The final page is about the only one that shows real good clear pictures of anybody causing destruction - and if you notice, most of the stuff they seem to be burning came from a DUMPSTER. They must value their trash very highly at Purdue, alright...

So, in closing - while there seem to have been some people causing havoc, and that one shouldn't blatently set fire to anything in public, I doubt $100,000 worth of damage occurred (unless they count the mailbox and the signpost - but only the mailbox seemed damaged). If those were damaged, then the individuals should have to pay retribution (include Mr. Blackpants, whoever he is). As for the others, they just seem to be bystanders, who didn't stop what was happening (and rant all you want about them not stopping it, but I would be they either wouldn't be heard, or they would be assaulted for their views, or something equally bad).

Oh, BTW, photo 49 offends me - WTF is that guy grabbing himself for? It ain't going anywhere, pal (actually, it takes more than that to offend me, but I have to admit the guy looks patently stupid making that gesture - I mean, if that guy can get a higher education, than anybody should).

Worldcom - Generation Duh!

But hey, this is /. - where my opinion counts too!

Actually, I looked at all the pictures, and in only a very few of them (mostly all on the very last set) show actual "property" destruction:

Photos 28, 29 and 30 seem to show people dragging branches somewhere. With the occurrance of fire in several images, we can suspect that they are dragging them to a fire (but hey, who knows - maybe they have some crafting they need to do?)...

At least photo 53 wasn't as stupid (next time, wear a ski mask!)...

Photo 58 shows a man wielding a large piece of what appears to be wood - maybe going to throw it on a fire - or bash Mr. 61 about the shoulders, one of the two (wipe that smirk off yer face, nugget!)...

Photo 62 - Praise Stallman!!!

Photo 70 - Use the Force, Luke!!

Photo 77 - "Dude, where'd my doob go...? F*ckin' riot..."

Photo 86 - Now showing a better image of the Cydonian Face...

photos 95 and 96 show someone with another large piece of wood - probably not a picket sign. On the same page we have 99 and 101 doing more branch dragging (they must love crafting there at Purdue!)...

Photo 109 - Wow! I found a doob!

Now, it definitely looks like in Photo 150 there is a set of individuals up to no good with that mailbox - but why don't they note that the other guy (in black pants and grey vest) was involved as well? And why does that man look like he may actually be security or something?

The final page is about the only one that shows real good clear pictures of anybody causing destruction - and if you notice, most of the stuff they seem to be burning came from a DUMPSTER. They must value their trash very highly at Purdue, alright...

So, in closing - while there seem to have been some people causing havoc, and that one shouldn't blatently set fire to anything in public, I doubt $100,000 worth of damage occurred (unless they count the mailbox and the signpost - but only the mailbox seemed damaged). If those were damaged, then the individuals should have to pay retribution (include Mr. Blackpants, whoever he is). As for the others, they just seem to be bystanders, who didn't stop what was happening (and rant all you want about them not stopping it, but I would be they either wouldn't be heard, or they would be assaulted for their views, or something equally bad).

Oh, BTW, photo 49 offends me - WTF is that guy grabbing himself for? It ain't going anywhere, pal (actually, it takes more than that to offend me, but I have to admit the guy looks patently stupid making that gesture - I mean, if that guy can get a higher education, than anybody should).

Worldcom - Generation Duh!

But hey, this is /. - where my opinion counts too!

Actually, I looked at all the pictures, and in only a very few of them (mostly all on the very last set) show actual "property" destruction:

Photos 28, 29 and 30 seem to show people dragging branches somewhere. With the occurrance of fire in several images, we can suspect that they are dragging them to a fire (but hey, who knows - maybe they have some crafting they need to do?)...

At least photo 53 wasn't as stupid (next time, wear a ski mask!)...

Photo 58 shows a man wielding a large piece of what appears to be wood - maybe going to throw it on a fire - or bash Mr. 61 about the shoulders, one of the two (wipe that smirk off yer face, nugget!)...

Photo 62 - Praise Stallman!!!

Photo 70 - Use the Force, Luke!!

Photo 77 - "Dude, where'd my doob go...? F*ckin' riot..."

Photo 86 - Now showing a better image of the Cydonian Face...

photos 95 and 96 show someone with another large piece of wood - probably not a picket sign. On the same page we have 99 and 101 doing more branch dragging (they must love crafting there at Purdue!)...

Photo 109 - Wow! I found a doob!

Now, it definitely looks like in Photo 150 there is a set of individuals up to no good with that mailbox - but why don't they note that the other guy (in black pants and grey vest) was involved as well? And why does that man look like he may actually be security or something?

The final page is about the only one that shows real good clear pictures of anybody causing destruction - and if you notice, most of the stuff they seem to be burning came from a DUMPSTER. They must value their trash very highly at Purdue, alright...

So, in closing - while there seem to have been some people causing havoc, and that one shouldn't blatently set fire to anything in public, I doubt $100,000 worth of damage occurred (unless they count the mailbox and the signpost - but only the mailbox seemed damaged). If those were damaged, then the individuals should have to pay retribution (include Mr. Blackpants, whoever he is). As for the others, they just seem to be bystanders, who didn't stop what was happening (and rant all you want about them not stopping it, but I would be they either wouldn't be heard, or they would be assaulted for their views, or something equally bad).

Oh, BTW, photo 49 offends me - WTF is that guy grabbing himself for? It ain't going anywhere, pal (actually, it takes more than that to offend me, but I have to admit the guy looks patently stupid making that gesture - I mean, if that guy can get a higher education, than anybody should).

Worldcom - Generation Duh!