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No they didn't:

https://quran.com/4/157

And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
        —Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157

Anyway, for context, you would define "transgressor" as anyone that doesn't follow Islam or breaks Sharia law or doesn't submit to Muslims if you have a biggoted agenda you want to push.

Your quote is ignores 191 lines of context. When you read a book do you skip the beginning? When you watch a movie, do you ship the first hour? No because there context there that tells the story. You need the whole story to understand it.

Try reading it from the beginning next time. Otherwise you are doing the same thing Isis does.

Wow, pretty ignorant comment, and I know better than to feed the trolls, but...

Muslims don't claim "exclusive self-correctness/righteousness", rather God has told us in the Qur'aan that anyone who believes in Him Alone without associating partners, and His Messengers and the Last Day will have their reward with God.
However, most people, including majority of Muslims will enter hellfire first (God knows best who and how many), that includes anyone who prays, fasts, does charitable deeds, etc. Because of other sins and selfishness, and taking advantages of others, killing, etc, but especially doing good deeds to show-off (which is a form of associating partners with God).

Islam came to supplant other religions/way of life, as God tells us in the Qur'aan that many (countless) Messengers and Prophets have been sent before, including Moses and Jesus, but their message was only meant for their people for a few generations before another Warner was sent. The first Prophet was Adam (to his own children), and the last being Muhammad (to all generations).

If praying gets you to heaven, then god dammit, pray fucking continuously till you starve and die and go to heaven sooner

Perhaps that message would be more fittingly directed towards Buddhists and Monks?

No religion or Warner came after Islam and Muhammad because God told us explicitly that this would be the final message to humanity and final Prophet.
However, we (like the Christian, and some-what Jews) also believe that Jesus will return to re-establish peace and once again correct people who had deviated away from the straight path.

You would do justice to your own self and your soul by reading the Qur'aan with an open mind, but more importantly, open heart. As the Qur'aan states, "God doesn't guide the criminals, rebellious, and hard-hearted people".

If you want to know the real life of Muhammad as based on evidence, then watch the "Seerah" lecture series by Sheikh Yasir Qadhi on YouTube.

Peace.

By calling Jesus your Lord/saviour, you are being blasphemous to the One God who created you and everything.

You would do injustice against your soul for at least not reading The Qur'aan - before which, make a sincere supplication to God to protect you against Satan and guide you on the straight path.

Wow, the amount of ignorance in this comment; I wasn't going to reply as it's clear you have a distortion field which stops you from reading and examining evidence from anyone other than Islamaphobes and people with huge amount of hate in their heart.

And it's clear you haven't read the Qur'aan, not even the second chapter; otherwise you would know that of course, the early Muslims and the pagans used to pray and prostrate towards the direction ("qibla") of Jerusalem.
God later abrogated that, just like alcohol was disallowed slowly, along with abolishment of slavery, and the sick pagan practice of burying their daughters alive, prostitution, etc, etc.

God sent the last Prophet to free humanity from the shackles of their mind and enslavery and worshipping of false deities, and freed women at a time when they were purely for sexual enjoyment and treated as objects. And Islam gave rights to women which the west only introduced since the 1900's, including a right to vote and have their voice heard, and the right to own their own house, business, money, etc.

What's rarely discussed is how the entire Arabian peninsula changed as a result of the Prophet and his disciples, and the amount of peace that spread throughout the lands and neighbouring nations. And prior to the "Geneva convention", the Islamic Prophet introduced the fair treatment and peace towards even war prisoners. In fact, he housed one of the war prisoners in his own house in Medina...
has there ever been a king or president who has taken a prisoner in his own home?!

The Arabs at the time were following fragments of the teachings of Prophet Abraham, but most of it was lost and people deviated towards worshipping men and stones.

And this is why God sends Prophets - in Islam, we're told that God has chosen over 124,000 prophets, of whom around 315 were messengers (like Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad).
"And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them".

Our Prophet informed us that slowly, after a warner (prophet) is sent to a nation, it takes around 10 generations before people again deviate and start worshipping objects and people.

Otherwise, all Prophets preached the same message of worshipping One God alone, as He's the Only entity worthy of worship; and God provides in this life to even those who kill people and belittle God from their tongue. But there will come a time when they will be held accountable.

"Every soul will taste death, and you will only be given your [full] compensation on the Day of Resurrection. So he who is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise has attained [his desire]. And what is the life of this world except the enjoyment of delusion."

"And [mention] when Abraham said, "My Lord, make this (Makkah) a secure city and provide its people with fruits - whoever of them believes in Allah and the Last Day." [ Allah ] said. "And whoever disbelieves - I will grant him enjoyment for a little; then I will force him to the punishment of the Fire, and wretched is the destination.""

With regards to the Prophet marrying Aisha (by the permission of her father, mother, and Aisha herself), this has been explained countless times.
Did you never think why the enemies of Islam at the time didn't rise up against this?? Surely this would have been the talk of the entire nation, not only the enemies (some of the Jews, especially who lived in Medina), and the pagans in Makkah, but even his disciples would have doubted the Prophet.

In Islam, a person becomes accountable to God and a full adult after puberty.

"The Jews say "The Christians have nothing [true] to stand on," and the Christians say, "The Jews have nothing to stand on," although they [both] recite th

Hate crimes of Israel? What are those? Care to list some? According to pretty much of the rest of the Middle East, Israel shouldn't even exist. Never mind that Allah gave Israel to the Jews. I guess if Israel trying to exist is a hate crime, then the terrorism from Islam and ISIS in general is way beyond hate crimes.

Pointing out the stupidity of the barbaric Quran is not hate speech, it is information about facts to overcome ignorance and spiritual immaturity:

Quran (2:191-193)

191: And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- îaram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
192: And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
193: Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
194: [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

This is just _one_ example.

* http://www.thereligionofpeace....

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The way to shut down ISIS is to name-and-shame those who sell weapons to them.

For instance, if I wanted to cite a verse about gambling and alcohol, I could say please see Chapter 2, verse 19 or (quran 2:19) on gambling and alcohol:
http://quran.com/2/219

Of course many Muslim traditions interpret the text differently (I think sufis believe inner experience is more important), but what your crossdressing, necrophilia fantasies warrant proper source citing.

Why is this modded informative? Do you have a citation for any of this? what version of the Kuran are you reading the crazy-person-version?
http://quran.com/

In Islam we don't listen to any lunatic proclaiming stuff

No, but you revere an illiterate pedophile who wrote that his followers had to fight even if they thought they didn't want to.

Some people think all religions are identical and worthless. When we criticize one aspect of a religion, we abase all religions for those people. This is unfortunate but here we go:.

I love my Muslim co-worker. He is moderate, and respectful, with a smiling demeanor. We have amazingly deep conversations that I enjoy compared to the empty conversations with a hedonistic-type co-worker, as an example. When he got into more direct comparative discussion on religion, his face briefly saddened when I showed the Holy Qur'an verse on beating wives:

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand. And if you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Acquainted [with all things]. Surat An Nisa' ( the women) 4:34-35 ( http://quran.com/4/34 http://quran.com/4/35 )

We continue to talk about religion in peace. I get a sense that the majority of Muslims are like him. We both have a rich heritage from which we can extract some good. I would not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Some people think all religions are identical and worthless. When we criticize one aspect of a religion, we abase all religions for those people. This is unfortunate but here we go:.

I love my Muslim co-worker. He is moderate, and respectful, with a smiling demeanor. We have amazingly deep conversations that I enjoy compared to the empty conversations with a hedonistic-type co-worker, as an example. When he got into more direct comparative discussion on religion, his face briefly saddened when I showed the Holy Qur'an verse on beating wives:

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand. And if you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Acquainted [with all things]. Surat An Nisa' ( the women) 4:34-35 ( http://quran.com/4/34 http://quran.com/4/35 )

We continue to talk about religion in peace. I get a sense that the majority of Muslims are like him. We both have a rich heritage from which we can extract some good. I would not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Ideally, you're right, but all this is assuming religion doesn't teach something specific. Science has no holy book telling people what to do. Religions do... so while you can't really blame science when some politically motivated atheist blows up a building (did Einstein tell him to do it), it is perfectly fair to blame religion when somebody carry's out it's instructions and, for example, beats his wife. Do all religious "follower" follow their religion to the letter. No, and so it's not fair to judge all of them, but that doesn't mean those who would claim to follow a doctrine aren't more likely than others to have a tendency to adhere to it's tenets.

Israel did not ask to be attacked by their neighbors in 48, 68, and 73.

'68?

Did you perhaps mean 1967?
You know... as in the War of Attrition, which was continuance of the Six-Day War, which was started by Israel, in which they've taken a shitload of land, from Jordan, Syria and Egypt - causing the War of Attrition AND the Yom Kippur War of 1973?

Also, you ARE aware that the attack of 1948 started as a civil war, arising from Jewish-Arab conflicts from way back when the region was under the British rule?

The Jews did not ask to be labeled "Apes" and "Pigs" in the 7th century Mein Kampf read every day by Muslims worldwide.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Nelly!
Did you actually read that line in Qur'an somewhere?

Cause... For one thing, that language there sounds A LOT like some claims I've seen in some "educational videos" about Jews.
Only, the claim was how Jewish holy scripture claims that all non-Jews were cattle etc.
And the video originated from a site where people have a strange fetish for Gothic Script fonts and Hugo Boss clothing.

Naturally, Googling for those passages I found no such claims in actual Jewish scripture (sorry, don't recall what part of Tanakh was misquoted), and where there was SOME similarity to the claims in the video it was stretched and distorted beyond recognition so it would fit that Gothic Script mold.

For the other thing...
Applying the same principle to your statement and Qur'an, again... I found no such quote.
Searching for Jews, there appear to be some lines mentioning Jews in various brackets, which may sound inflammatory if one goes there looking for a fight - until you click on the full text and find no mention of Jews in the actual text.

It's almost as if someone was INTERPRETING JEWS into those lines, in a rather informatory way.
Like when they were designing the site. Hmm...
And what's even funnier, all those lines found there that do mention Jews specifically, are from contemporary translations.
20th century and newer. Hmm...

THERE IS a mention of apes and pigs though.

Say, "O People of the Scripture, do you resent us except [for the fact] that we have believed in Allah and what was revealed to us and what was revealed before and because most of you are defiantly disobedient?"

Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way."

Now... one might bend and stretch those words and say that they refer to Jews and Jews alone and that they are being called "apes and pigs".

Or... One might take it at face value and say that those lines recognize prior scripture (Jewish and Christian), addresses those followers of such scripture who have something against Muslims solely on account of them being Muslim, and then slyly evokes Pascal's Wager against those haters - cause we all know how god is known for doing nasty shit to non-believers.

Just because two people are fighting and have been at it for a long time does not mean both sides are guilty. Sometimes there is an aggressor and a victim.

If the conflict lasts for two or more generations, and there are people from those generations killed fighting on both sides - yes, they are both guilty.

It no longer matters who started it first.
All it matters is who will have the balls to end it peacefully instead of making the next generation a slave of conflict started generations ago.

What about non-militant Islam, is that evil?

Yes. In the same way that a usually-benign bacteria can suddenly flare up and cause flesh-eating diseas, so-called non-militant religions can flare up into bouts of fundamentalism.

..but I've noticed that those who think that Islam is completely evil often know very little about what Muslims actually believe and how they practice their faith.

I am an atheist. This is what Islam says about me. So tell me again... who are the ones promoting hatred and violence?

2:106: None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?

What that passage, and other similar passages in the Quran. have been interpreted to mean is that if two verses contradict each other, the latter verse abrogates (cancels) the previous. As the verse implies. Allah can do all things, including change his mind (or as believers would argue, change his commands to better suit changing times). Now the Quran is not arranged chronologically but i'll give you a hint what the last written chapter is. Sura 9. This means that all that peaceful stuff earlier in the Quran, written when Muslims were a minority in Mecca and it was convenient to preach tolerance towards religion were all cancelled by verses like 9:5. There shall be no compulsion in religion? Gone. Thankfully not all Muslims know about abrogation and of those who do, only a minority take seriously.

Go read the Qu'ran. There are plenty of instances in which religiously-motivated violence is condoned or even instructed. Of course, the apologists will immediately cite other examples from the Qu'ran that contradict that. The nice thing about Islam is that its followers can pick and choose: Show the peaceful bits to the ignorant dhimmi and the violent bits to the true followers. You'll never get a straight answer.

Actually, the repugnant ones are the ones that count. The early verses are the ones with all the niceness, the later the nasty. The included instruction that if two verses seem to conflict, the later is the one that should be followed puts it in perspective. The muslims that seem to be nice to you are following the instruction to deceive the infidels (until the opportunity to take over presents itself).

Go read the Qu'ran. There are plenty of instances in which religiously-motivated violence is condoned or even instructed. Of course, the apologists will immediately cite other examples from the Qu'ran that contradict that. The nice thing about Islam is that its followers can pick and choose: Show the peaceful bits to the ignorant dhimmi and the violent bits to the true followers. You'll never get a straight answer.

Actually, the repugnant ones are the ones that count. The early verses are the ones with all the niceness, the later the nasty. The included instruction that if two verses seem to conflict, the later is the one that should be followed puts it in perspective. The muslims that seem to be nice to you are following the instruction to deceive the infidels (until the opportunity to take over presents itself).

Then you don't know anything about Islam other than what you think you've learned from news sites and CNN.

Go read the Qu'ran. There are plenty of instances in which religiously-motivated violence is condoned or even instructed. Of course, the apologists will immediately cite other examples from the Qu'ran that contradict that. The nice thing about Islam is that its followers can pick and choose: Show the peaceful bits to the ignorant dhimmi and the violent bits to the true followers. You'll never get a straight answer.

This is not unique to Islam, of course. Most religions have similar contradictions that allow believers to pick-and-choose according to the situation and the audience. The problem is that currently, Islam's violent underpinnings are causing far more problems for the world than the violent underpinnings of other religions.

Then you don't know anything about Islam other than what you think you've learned from news sites and CNN.

Go read the Qu'ran. There are plenty of instances in which religiously-motivated violence is condoned or even instructed. Of course, the apologists will immediately cite other examples from the Qu'ran that contradict that. The nice thing about Islam is that its followers can pick and choose: Show the peaceful bits to the ignorant dhimmi and the violent bits to the true followers. You'll never get a straight answer.

This is not unique to Islam, of course. Most religions have similar contradictions that allow believers to pick-and-choose according to the situation and the audience. The problem is that currently, Islam's violent underpinnings are causing far more problems for the world than the violent underpinnings of other religions.

Here you go: http://quran.com/

If you want to know whether or not muslims would really do this, why not read a story from the quran : http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/jews.htm [answering-islam.org]

That's not a story from the Quran, that is an opinion piece make a biased argument. At least link to the Quran.

It is nigh inconceivable to think that either Adam or Eve would or even could have have died while dwelling in the Garden

Why is it inconceivable? The notion of Eden as some kind of static, never-changing place where everything would have always remained the same if only humans have never sinned is strictly a Christian concept. It is not said or implied anywhere in Qu'ran that Adam and Eve wouldn't have died, or that they were somehow different in that respect from people that followed. In fact, that Satan successfully tempted them by immortality clearly shows that they knew full well that they would die. There are also several verses in Qu'ran which very empathically state that death is "by design". Most importantly:

" And we granted not to any human being immortality "

You may find this to be an enlightening read on the topic (it is a preaching peace, so it also flings some mud at Christian approach, but it only helps to contrast the differences, IMO).

It's pretty easy to say "death to..." and when called out on it to say "well we really meant..." which is what Ahmadinejad the leaders before him, and the Ayatollah's have done too. I'm sure you already know what this is called, and I don't have to spell it out for you.

What is worse than idiot puppets like Ahmadinejad is the religious hypocrisy that empowers them. Just look at the war-mongering drivel such religions are based on: Qur’an 47:4?, Deuteronomy 20:10-17, Qur’an 9:5, Numbers 31:17-18.

It's pretty easy to say "death to..." and when called out on it to say "well we really meant..." which is what Ahmadinejad the leaders before him, and the Ayatollah's have done too. I'm sure you already know what this is called, and I don't have to spell it out for you.

What is worse than idiot puppets like Ahmadinejad is the religious hypocrisy that empowers them. Just look at the war-mongering drivel such religions are based on: Qur’an 47:4?, Deuteronomy 20:10-17, Qur’an 9:5, Numbers 31:17-18.

"the source wasn't a separate and distinct human being that had to be destroyed in order to produce them (which is the whole kick against the embryonic ones in the first place), so I don't foresee any major (or credible) theological or moral opposition to the idea."

The conjection is wrong because moral objection to destroying a human being or potential human being is not the only foreseeble moral theological opposition to this idea. Since there is quite general views among my Muslim brothers on this subject, I need to clarify this here from the point of view of the companions of the Prophet, sal Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam.

An objection to it from Islamic point of view is usually based on the following Ayah of the Holy Qur'an:

They call upon instead of Him none but female [deities], and they [actually] call upon none but a rebellious Satan whom Allah has cursed. For he had said, "I will surely take from among Your servants a specific portion. And I will mislead them, and I will arouse in them [sinful] desires, and I will command them so they will slit the ears of cattle, and I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah." And whoever takes Satan as an ally instead of Allah has certainly sustained a clear loss.

As you can see it's quite generic if taken out of context. Let's see what a study based on the opinion of the companions, radhi Allahu anhum, of the Prophet, sal Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam, says on this matter. One of the most authoritative exegeses of Qur'an, by Sh. ibn Katheer:

(And indeed I will order them to change the nature created by Allah.) means tattooing, according to Al-Hasan bin Abi Al-Hasan Al-Basri. In his Sahih, Muslim recorded the prohibition of tattooing the face, which in one of its wordings states: "May Allah curse whoever does this.'' It is also recorded in the Sahih that Ibn Mas`ud said, "May Allah curse those who have tattoos and those who do it, who pluck their (facial) hairs and the one who does it for them, and those who make spaces between their teeth for the purpose of beauty, changing what Allah has created.''

May be there are other Ahadith on this subject, may be there is not, but at least one of very valid opinions interprets this Ayah as quite specific and refers to modification of woman's appearance for the purposes of attraction of men.

The latter prohibition actually makes sense even for atheists: appearance of a woman is a selection factor reflecting her health, and wide spread post-birth modification of woman's appearance leads to messing up of that factor and genetic weakening of the offspring.

Call me crazy, but I was under the impression that the Christian God passed judgement on everybody--otherwise, how do you determine who gets into Heaven, The Ultimate Playground? Mind you, I learned all this from a pretty dated source, so there could be an updated version that I haven't read yet or something. Of course, if you want to go pointing fingers at organizations bent on shackling freedoms...

But to your point. I'll assume that you're a fairly religious type of person, and you firmly believe that you'll be getting into heaven in due time. Why, then, does it matter one bit to you what us hopelessly lost souls do with our earthly time and money? You're gonna get into HEAVEN, man! Who cares if we drop a few bucks on rocket ships? What does it matter how earthly governments run their affairs? You're still gonna win out over us all!

(I know, I know, I shouldn't have...but look at the poor thing--he looks so hungry!)