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Two Gunman Killed Outside "Draw the Prophet" Event In Texas
cosm writes: ABC news reports that two armed gunman were shot and killed outside a "Draw the Prophet" event hosted in Garland Texas. From the article: "The event, sponsored by the American Freedom Defense Initiative, featured cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, and scheduled speakers included Dutch MP Geert Wilders, who has campaigned to have the Quran banned in the Netherlands. The winner of the contest was to receive $10,000." In light of the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks, the Lars Vilks Muhammad drawing controversies, and the American show South Park's satirical depiction of the state of Muhammad phobia in the US and elsewhere, is there an end in sight to the madness associated with the representation of this religious figure?
were slow at the draw - texas style...
Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
They place containers of corn in plain site of their blinds for weeks, then hide out on opening day of hunting season and take the deer by the dozens
Seems like they were baiting for 'terrorists' in a similar way
Just organize these events regularly and you'll smoke out the crazy jihadists. Shooting them on the spot is also much more cost efficient than apprehending them.
The unfortunate part is the two gunmen knew this was a suicide mission before they attempted the attack and decided a less violent form of protest didn't convey their message well enough.
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And god bless the 2nd amendment.
Just imagine the bodycount if this was held at the Whitney or the MOMA
QUIT USING THE SUBJECT LINE AS PART OF YOUR COMMENTS!! It was a bad idea when the first person started it and it's still a bad idea!
There, I fixed it for you, and in a way that will give greater understanding of the religion and its "prophet" who married a 6 year old.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Let's keep poking the bear!! Poke! Poke! Poke! Poke!
No. Of course not. Religious madness will not stop as long as religion exists.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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two armed gunman
What other kind of gunman is there? If they were unarmed they couldn't be gunmen. I guess it could mean two-armed gunmen, in which case all is forgiven.
Come on now, if you try very hard to get people angry why the shock when it happens?
I am in no way defending either the loud xenophobic fascist Wilders or anyone that wants to take a shot at him.
You can't turn off their constant video crap. It's not a site I will visit. Likely too many tracking cookies to count.
You would think even people stupid and fanatic enough to do this would know that Texas is the wrong place to try and pull a Charlie Hebdo.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Freedom of speech does not give you the right to say or do anything you want. It also gives you the opportunity to withhold speech and respect another individuals doctrine. As a believing in Christ the destruction of a cross would be equally offensive. To be equal, the contest in the eyes of a Muslim was a hate crime.
No, it is not "explicitly banned in Islam".
It may or may not be a sign of "grave disrespect", but so what? Having your beliefs disrespected is part of life, whether you're a Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, or atheist.
Why to the police for a city with 1/4 million residents have desert camouflage?
This made my day, the event, the turn out for the event, the gunmen stupid enough to draw a weapon in Garland Texas (bit of a rough place if you didn't know).
Ahhh, just ridiculously funny.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
I question your love of bashing, there isn't anything better than bashing religion, and it's even funnier when 2 zealots get clipped.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Personally I do want this type of discussion on Slashdot. I can't speak for others.
The problem is that it draws a certain kind of crowd and the bashing soon spreads to unrelated topics.
He is standing up for the values of the west (you could also say Germanic people from Latvia to L.A.) against Mohammedic Brutality and yopu can only utter crap.
How would you like your daughter or niece ? Only forced under the Burqa or forced under the Burqa plus mutilated sex organs ?
Also, your nice Mohammedic Friends will probably kill naive folks like YOU first. Read their book of hate. I clearly states that only when the Mohammedics have converted everyboidy, they will stop oppressing, mutilating and killing. Jews and Christians can (but not must) be spared at first. Excessive taxation for Jews and Christians is A-O.K. At first. Communists, Hindus and Buddhists are to be killed immediately, though, if they do not submit to Mohammedism.
NOW; WHO THE FUCK ARE THE FASCISTS ???
Finally, Mohammedism is not a race, it is a brain desease like communism.
Damnit, the terrorists won!
I don't think anyone is shocked. The shock for me comes when the suggestion is made that we should do a little self-censorship. Yeah, sure... this is just the one taboo we have to respect... this is the only bit of sharia law we infidels have to obey, right?
Except it doesn't end there. It can never end there. I mean hell, the hadith have in the past been widely interpreted to forbid all artwork of animals and humans. They've given up that battle... for now. But rest assured, they have not forgotten. None of this barbarous shit in any of the Abrahamic faiths can ever be truly forgotten, because all sitting there in the unalterable book waiting for someone to decide to take it literally again."Respect" for religious insanity is a continuous spectrum of masochistic self-censorship trailing down into an infinite abyss. Or do you really, honestly believe that ISIS's current set of laws is the most extreme interpretation possible?
It's possible to resist the scaremongering of the right (no, neither ISIS nor any of the other bearded fuckwits are in any position to do us significant harm at this very moment ) while still acknowledging that over the long run this is a zero sum game with no possibility of common ground.
We cannot share a planet with these people. So yes, let's keep making the bastards angry.
It is sufficient to oil the bullets in Pork Fat. That will make the Mohammedics marry 72 virign piglets in hell.
Come on now, if you try very hard to get people angry why the shock when it happens?
I am in no way defending either the loud xenophobic fascist Wilders or anyone that wants to take a shot at him.
Drawing a cartoon of Muhammad that violates the extremists' sensibilities is trivial. AFAIK a stick figure labeled by name or "the prophet" will do. Sending these people into a murderous rage is unbelievably easy, and that's the point: it illustrates just how dangerous to (and incompatible with western society) they really are.
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So yes, we really want this kind of discussion on Slashdot.
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Seems like the event was a success. While I generally disapprove of being intentionally rude, sometimes it has to be done to prevent people using their thin skin as a weapon. It's an absolute necessity when people go about threatening to kill people who don't self-censor.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
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Seriously, if we could get a few of these violent loonies to out themselves daily to suicide by cop... Every day.
Obviously I don't want to provoke a terrorist attack... but dead terrorists is in the common good.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
I think they're all childish idiots. The people attending that meeting, with their provoking "who can draw the best Mohammed cartoon." Come on, your days at high school are a very long time away and you should behave like an adult now. And the idiot Muslims who think it's necessary to shoot everybody who doesn't have their opinion. We don't live in the Middle Ages anymore you idiots. And if you like killing so much why don't you kill some of your own kind? You're very good at that, we see that daily on TV.
And now get off my lawn, all of you! Crazy children.
-- Cheers!
To paraphrase Christopher Hitchens: "They want to be martyrs? Well, good--we're here to help."
I think this would work in a Texan accent, too.
If we do not stand our ground against the Mohammedics, our only option will be to convert or die. VERY soon, actually. This is a deadly intolerant religion and the lefties who belittle it, are paid by Saudi-Arabia.
Perhaps, but Islam needs a good bashing, all religions do, but currently there's one religion that is far more active in the "oppression and violence" arena, so lets bash it until we get a war or they go away.
Ask your self how long is it until the disenfranchised youths in the ghettos find their local radicalized mosque, or you have to live under someone else concept of right and wrong.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
scheduled speakers included Dutch MP Geert Wilders, who has campaigned to have the Quran banned in the Netherlands.
Like rain on your wedding day.
I only registered so I could disable D2. Ugh.
So, instead of trying to "force" my (right-wing) anti-Islamic views i will do something better: i will welcome my dear Americans to... Europe! Yes, you are in Europe now - forget your "free speech" bullshit rights and obey your Muslim lords you Yankee bitches... or not? Because my only hope for protecting the Western Civilization from the Muslim terror is not any European (not even Greek, not even a right-wing Greek like i am), but fucking Americans with their toys that spit fire with lead and the always current Greek motto: MOLON LABE
Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
Thank you very much and long live freedom !
Long live Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Christianity, Atheism and everybody else who does not do the "Jihad" DRECK.
Don't take this the wrong way, but can you bugger off and take with you everyone who has parroted this again and again? I mean fucking hell, you have a 5 digit ID. Have you been doing this for every single religious/political article for the past 15 years? Don't you ever get bored of it?
Political discussions among geeks are simply more interesting than among most other crowds. I believe it's because we are by nature more willing to delve into the gritty details. Like any subculture, there are biases and stupid memes but these flaws are at least occasionally point out and debated... it's not that we don't have an echo chamber here, it's that ours at least has a skylight.
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You might recall that during the whole "draw Mohammad" controversy South Park took it on. While the were not allowed to show Mohammad at all, they did show people literally shitting on Jesus, the American flag, and so on. They received zero threats in relation to that, there was no action taken against them.
It's not like Christians didn't know either, it is a major syndicated TV show that is produced in the US.
"two armed gunman were shot and killed"... by whom? Who were they? After reading the article it seems clear that the two gunmen killed were religious fanatics, and the killers were police officers who were defending the event. This should be in the summary, I think
It may not be hard to do, but deliberate trolling is definitely what is going on.
It looks like it's counterproductive and just adds more fuel to those who want to recruit more radicals. "See this thing in Texas kids, it means all of America hates us - so sign up now to teach them what we taught the Russians in Afganistan". That's how it goes. Stupid in every level (especially the bit about the Russians but they do believe it) but still just adding fuel to the flames for a bit of personal publicity aided by useful idiots.
Organizing a deliberately provocative event is a clear statement of support for free speech. A clear statement that allowing potentially offensive speech is essential to a free society. Other reactions to Charlie Hebdo - how we have to tread carefully and avoid offense - are utterly wrong.
Terrorists are barbarians, and are a direct threat to civilization. Apparently, the Texan reaction to barbarism is "bring it on".
More power to Texas. I hope other places find the courage to hold similar events.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
Netherlands gun violence is high by European standards
And guess who is doing the shooting...
https://www.google.com/search?...
Those Moroccan kids here in the "gangs" are NOT MUSLIMS, let alone fundamentalists, they're thug kids doing the same lowly thuggery as those in many US suburbs.
"is there an end in sight to the madness associated with the representation of this religious figure?"
Yes.
But you won't like the answer and it's not politically correct. Ergo, our current political establishment refuses to even admit its existence.
You really can't see any difference? Then you are just being obtuse. Yes if you tried to trespass in a religious building and be offensive, there'd be a response. In particular, they'd tell you to leave and call the police. However this was not in a Mosque, no Muslims were forced to attend. This was something people were doing on their own. However the crazies felt the need to respond.
I've heard about precisely zero cases of Jews going after pig BBQs in the US. Seems they are not very concerned about what you are doing on your own. If you don't respect their religion, oh well, so it goes.
Stephen Fry put it very well:
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what."
Oh so I've got to "correct my worldview" with some random goatse link or something instead of expressing freedom of speech - funny how libertarians do that when someone wants to say something other than propaganda they want to spread.
This thing in Texas was a deliberate case of shouting fire in a crowded theatre - you can do it but consequences should be expected.
I think they're all childish idiots. The people attending that meeting, with their provoking "who can draw the best Mohammed cartoon." Come on, your days at high school are a very long time away and you should behave like an adult now.
Why shouldn't we provoke them? It's a nice, relatively controlled environment with security guards who were able to take them out. We provoke them, they try to murder us, we kill them first. It seems like a very nice system, really. We really should start setting up more jihadi honeypots.
The alternative is what... having these lunatics walking around in our society, on the *brink* of being murderers but not quite there yet, ready to snap on some other occasion when there isn't a SWAT team nearby to take care of them? I'm not really seeing the upside to your plan.
(Obviously, this can be taken too far--the moronic Iraq War was more than just a minor provocation, obviously. But we're talking about drawings here... not dropping bombs.)
No, he is not cooking a pig in a mosque. Look up analogy or stop pretending you are too stupid to understand what I have written.
Organise a "draw Jesus sodomizing Mary" contest in Texas and you'll get crazy Christian jihadists doing the same thing.
No, you wouldn't. You really, really wouldn't.
If you set up an event specifically designed to insult/offend/antagonise a particular religion, you're always going to get a response like this from someone.
Please stop spouting nonsense: http://www.theonion.com/articl... (NSFW)
Some people want to defend the first amendment, other want to defend the second. Nothing more, nothing less.
"I am in no way defending either the loud xenophobic fascist Wilders or anyone that wants to take a shot at him."
Now I suggest you get off the computer before your daddy comes back and wonders why you are on his account lying about what people have written.
its "prophet" who married a 6 year old.
Oh please. Political marriages of young girls were common in those days. He waited until she was nine to consummate it.
Ummmmm no they weren't. It was one of many scandals that pedophile Mohammad explained away with "Allah told me to do it". Mohammad had a "revelation" to marry her.
It simply isn't a case that "That's what they did back then". The Koran very explicitly states that Muslims must follow the "sunnah" or example of Mohammad. It is in the Koran so that means FOREVER! These are recorded in what are called the hadiths (orally transmitted information about Mohammad's life and actions) . So Muslims are OBLIGED to do everything contained in hadiths that are sahih (trusted). Mohammad was recorded literally dozens of times as having sex with a little 9 year old girl in these sahih hadiths. Ever wondered why ISIS, the Taliban and other fundamentalist Muslims are into marrying little girls. Just following the example of pedophile Mohammad which is FOREVER.
So marrying and having sex with little 9 year old girls like Aysha is a "perfect" example for Muslims THEN NOW AND FOREVER.
It gets even more disgusting and worse!!!!!! Mohammad was even more depraved than "merely" having vaginal sex with little 9 year old girls.
He was performing "Muta Kathat" on Aisha when she was 6 when he first married her. BTW, "Muta Kathat" was anal sex and masturbation between the thighs.
Ask a Muslim about "Muta Kathat". They either will honestly not know what it is (fewer than one or two percent have ever read the hadiths or Mohammad's biography the sira.. only about 10% of Muslims have ever read the Quran!) or they will lie about it with the hope that you didn't actually check out what was written (and Islam obliges Muslims to lie 'if of help to Islam' - rather difficult to get converts when your founder in the modern day would be on a sexual offenders register or with a prison file stamped "never to be released").
Not only was he performing pedophile sex acts with a little 6 year old girl (yes, it's 6, not 9!!!), he was performing pedophile acts on little boys, The hadiths explain that one away with some nonsense about the "miraculous and soothing effects" of Mohammad's saliva.
Further, Mohammad was a necrophile, having sex with his dead aunt Fatima "to make her a mother of the believers".
He even was a cross-dresser, dressing up in the clothes of his wives. His favorite dressing up was in the clothing of the above mentinoed Aysha. You may start asking questions of Mohammad being married for more than 10 years with more than 10 wives yet only achieving one child!
I didn't even discuss other parts of Mohamamd's "achievements" such as his rapes, his murders of old women poets for writing satires, his genocides against other tribes or his banditry.
No, I'm not "anti-muslim". I feel that Muslims are in fact the biggest victims if Islam. Imagine belonging to a cult (yes, Islam fulfills all the academic criteria of being a cult such as death if you leave it, exclusivity, avoiding association and marriage with non-members, substantial efforts into recruitment and so on) whose Koran tells you that family members are OBLIGED to shun you if you leave and even tells its members to kill you if you don't recant on your decision to be an apostate. Please take your bigoted "raghead" comments elsewhere (I didn't say "racist", Islam is not an ethnicity, it is a "faith").
Posting as an Anonymous Coward for good reason. If you think that fundamentalist Muslims get upset about cartoons, you should see them when you point out explicitly where in the Koran, the hadiths and the sira the things I mentioned above are said.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015...
It may be from jihadwatch,org but the info inside the article, especially the info from the Police " ... that the gunmen were trying to enter the building to shoot the place up when they were stopped ... " reveals how much those moslems hate you guys, the infidels
All they ever want is for all of you to either join them and become a mujahid, or be slaughtered
No seriously, those fuckers were shot and killed and despite having the surprise effect, and all they did was shoot.... somebody in the ankle. I am missing something or they were totally utterly untrained with the used weapon.
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The book is 'Oath of Fealty' and the concept is "Think of it as evolution in action."
People who's gene code is so ... unadaptive, that they need to kill others over a cartoon of a man dead for eight hundred years? Those are genes the human race does not need.
Really this is not an Islam thing. It's a retarded human thing. The Greek Orthodox church had this issue around 400 and again in 800 AD. Icons idols ... blah. God is suppose to be all powerful. If he is really all that offended don't you think he'd just give you a case of syphilis or some pox, or make you a fat Republican or make you marry an ugly angry woman or ... eat Rochefort cheese? You know, something really bad.
Point. God doesn't need you to defend his face, assuming he has one. Sorry. He/she/it is god. Likely he/she/it can defend it's honor without a gun (you know, after creating the universe sort of thing ... dealing with humans should be easy). Since you can't figure that out ... your genes have been cleaned from the pool. Thank you for offering to be cleansed; wish you'd offered sooner.
OK. Islam and some Christians. Once long ago, humans had household gods. Tiny icons you focused your prays to sitting on your hearth. You can't build big churches if people are buying and handing down these tiny icons. So ban the icons, the pictures and channel all that money for daily repentance to the church so they can build a big building, a monument a symbol of worship to god ... oops a big icon. Size matters, or so the last girl I tried to get in bed told me. Bigger seems to be better. For something that only get used once a week (dick or large church building) it doesn't seem very efficient being big.
Thinking about icons, am I not suppose to have person relationship with god? Why do I need the temple, the priests, imam or rabbi ... to make it more real for me than a statue on the mantel. Yea, I know that answer. Some son of the' son in law' of Mohammad needs a job (there being no genetic relationship I might add). The Jews have that too. Sons of Cohen or something like that are suppose to be the official rabbi cast? At least they got genes on their side.
Really God said your descendants (Islam, Jews) are the only ones worthy to speaker for god? I'd say that god really doesn't understand humans, so not likely a god. At least Christians never got that stupid (not saying they aren't stupid too; they got big empty building too).
In geometry it's call QED, a rational proof. Make no assumptions. Look for rational evidence. In life it should be called "Get A LIFE and stop taking other peoples lives!" If there is a god, is he/she/it really going to kiss the face of a man that killed another of his/her/it's creations? Really? You destroy me work and think I should hug you? Really?
There is no, no, no rational evidence that god exists. You can take that one of two ways. Does not exists or want you prove god does. Either way no one has been authorized to kill in god's name.
The concept of god gives the weak minded an anchor to hold onto. "My life had meaning and I survive my physical death."
When you consider most lives, the utter meaninglessness of most lives ... that existence might continue ad infinitum ... really, is death and not existing all that bad?
Back to genes and "Think of it as evolution in action."
QUIT USING THE SUBJECT LINE AS PART OF YOUR COMMENTS!! It was a bad idea when the first person started it and it's still a bad idea!
Don't blame the commenters, blame the Slashdot editors for introducing subject lines to begin with.
If you post as an AC, don't expect me to spend a mod point on you.
That's like trying to rob the donut joint across the street from a police station...
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Now, I don't support Geert Wilders at all, since apart from opposing Islam his political ideas are pretty much on the other side of the spectrum compared to mine, but I feel some rectification is needed here.
The summary says "Dutch MP Geert Wilders, who has campaigned to have the Quran banned in the Netherlands" and this is widely how he's introduced abroad, but in truth he wants to do no such thing. He's just said that if the same standards used to justify banning e.g. Mein Kampf were applied to the Quran (and many other books) then they should be forbidden as well. He later clarified that he doesn't believe in banning books and just wanted to draw attention to how bad he thinks the Quran is. He has also said on multiple occasions that he wants Muslims to let go of the Quran as an absolute guide to life and politics.
But that is not the same as wanting to ban the Quran.
Netherlands gun violence is high by European standards
And guess who is doing the shooting...
https://www.google.com/search?...
Those Moroccan kids here in the "gangs" are NOT MUSLIMS
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Them Moroccan gangbangers are not moslems? Or you prefer to categorize them as Buddhists / Hindus, or even ... Christians?
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Here's my drawing of Mohammad.
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If this were in Europe, it would be: "30 people shot by 2 gunmen for religious reasons. Police is negotiating with them". I'm European. Most of us are groveling weaklings. We will go extinct. Barbarians will destroy our civilization. Too much socialism will kill us. USA, you must keep your guns, you must defend yourselves! I like Texas, people carry some balls over there.
Please. This was an event held for the advertised purpose of this contest at a neutral location open to the public. If muslims don't like it, they can simply not attend.
You're seriously comparing that to someone going (what, tresspassing?) into a synagogue and forcing an activity into others' faces? Anyone doing that would be forcing others to go out of their way to avoid them.
Alright, so we've established that most jews probably wouldn't tolerate a lot of activities in their place of worship. But they don't give a shit if you do it elsewhere, including at public events. The difference is that certain muslims won't tolerate (under penalty of instant death) some benign activities anywhere on the planet.
Or in some places gay, you'll be shot by Christians because they think you are doing something god forbids.
It's not the religion Islam. It's religion, full stop.
When religion replaces thought and proffers a higher power to give license to your actions, and those edicts are only required to be believed to be right, then you get this.
And it's not Islam. Hell, even Bhuddists kill those with the wrong faith. It's the acceptance that belief is somehow sufficient to determine the right actions.
It's religion. Full stop.
It was acute lead poisoning i Paris, Copenhagen and Garland. It was the wrong thing in all three places.
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That didn't seem like a trap at all.
Let's put a contest to offend a violent extremest group, and let's place it in Texas, where the kids are taught to shoot a gun before they can read.
I guess they could have been less subtitle. They could have had a jihadist entrance clearly marked with a heavy spiked wall, with visible gears.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Reliance upon the government to protect you after you have insulted someone is not freedom. Freedom requires courage, and sometimes the price of courage is high. Ed Snowden is my hero - he paid the price.
So..... these guys set up an event supposedly to protect free speech and all, and then they invite a guy "who has campaigned to have the Quran banned in the Netherlands."
I can't put my finger on it but something here doesn't fit :P
If a train station is a place where a train stops, what's a workstation?
These clowns shot first, hit a guy in the leg, then the cops opened up and took them out? Sounds like a good day at the shooting range. Honestly, fuck these wankers. For once American guns were in the right place at the right time where they could do some good.
They created this "honeypot", with hands on their guns, waiting for the gunmen to appear. Clear provocation so the murderers should be prosecuted too.
This was a prefect honeypot for violent extremists. Mission accomplished. Unfortunately, you repeat it too many times.
You're right, you have the right to be discourteous. That doesn't speak well of you, but you do have that right.
The most gun crazy place in the US. The Alamo is a Shrine? Really?
Cinema burned down cocktail molotov in a full cinema in paris. I cannot recall if there were dead though.
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No one talk about drawing Mohammed.
Be skeptical, the Paris shooting was staged, the only person that died was the chief investigator who killed himself soon after interviewing a witness - the family was refused the autopsy report.
T let's place it in Texas, where the kids are taught to shoot a gun before they can read.
You've never been to Texas, have you?
...Kill em all. That way they find out their 42 virgins are nothing but each other....
The answer is, because they can. Also, they're in the desert. Texas is almost entirely desert, FYI.
Demonstrably not true.
How many of these "free speech" people would support a "Defecate on the Bible" or "Burn the Flag" rally? I bet none of them.
Killing terrorists, especially like this where people are deliberately setting up a situation where they draw out people with these views, is a brilliant way to make more terrorists.
It's also a brilliant way to make less terrorists a short time later. Can't say that I approve of baiting people like this but I also can't say I'm overly sad that the world has a few less lunatics in it.
Seriously, Texas has to be pretty close to the top of the list of stupid places to go in guns-ablaze over a perceived insult. These are people who have been known to put gun racks on golf carts. Even if they survive the attack Texas has the death penalty and isn't afraid to use it.
So is it a Texan thing to murder people: create honeypot and then use bullets to kill? Or is this murderous behavior mainly the behavior of the US citizens in general?
The problem is that in America religion is not taken seriously enough and people like in ISIS take it back hundreds of years to a time when people knew nothing but doing stupid stuff for gods. Like sacrifices, and killing people for different views. In the end these people like ISIS will lose because they lack any real substance in modern times. They are throwbacks to a time when people thought the Earth was flat too. barbarian's and uneducated people who believed anything written supposedly by a God. Today, most people know better, and question a group like ISIS who claims some sort of religious rebirth of old values. Its pure nonsense and just proves how some people even today fall into a trap of a cult that butchers the real teachings of a religion for a real quest for power.
I have some in my pocket now.
It's a contract of exchange. They exist. God doesn't. I have never had god sit in my kitchen and helping with the dishes, for example. He's never anywhere.
Money does exist.
There's a huge difference there.
Kind of like the AFDI.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
This is the best story of the day, comment-wise.
Hatred of conservative Texas, hatred of guns, yet still the absolute intolerance of religion and strict belief in the first amendment all combining into a cognitive dissonance (to use a favorite term around here) that must be blowing people's minds.
I love it.
I have. They don't learn to read at all.
For comparison, you can still legally marry a 12 year old girl in the US.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
How can you run a 'free speech event' where you headline someone who advocates banning a book?
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
This is actually a really good idea. Stage events like this to lure psychotic murderers out, then eliminate the threat. It keeps innocent people safe and saves on tax dollars from not having to keep the religious lunatics in prison - everybody wins.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson
One of the biggest problems in any polygamous society is getting rid of young men. Every man with 4 wives leaves 3 angry, young, horny men in his wake who got no wives. So Islam came up with the perfect solution, Martyrdom! Just blow yourself up in some mall and get all the virgins you want!
Dumb motherfuckers.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
1. Draw stickman. ...
2. Add beard and turban.
3.
4. Prophet!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I'd like to ensure that both sides of this suffer maximum casualties. Ending up with only one bat-shit crazy fundamentalist cult doesn't help.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Organise a "draw Jesus sodomizing Mary" contest in Texas and you'll get crazy Christian jihadists doing the same thing. If you set up an event specifically designed to insult/offend/antagonise a particular religion, you're always going to get a response like this from someone.
A carload of Christians must have pulled up and busted some down-mods into this post. The guy uses British spelling but he's absolutely correct. Organizing a "Jesus sodomizing Mary" contest in Texas would be a suicide attempt.
This just hate-mongering talking points from some silly rapture-bation site. European nobles used to do it 1000 years after Mohammed did regularly, the reason people judge the past by today's standards is for petty proselytization purposes, a modern human being can recognize that these old religions are just showing signs of being out of date with modern society, pointing the flaws out of one tarnished the whole.
Doesn't matter which ones try to put clown makeup on to look better, we all know, deep down, that the "religion" circus industry is over.
Both sides are toads. It's pretty clear that the Jihadists, thugs that they are, were baited by the sponsors and their followers, thugs that they are. They could probably bring charges against the sponsors.
Going all Aloha Snackbar in Texas will get you shot morons!
Denying that there is some like between the fact that "young black males" are disproportionally represented in murder statistics...both as the victim and perpetrator is, in and of itself, racist.
How 'bout Vietnamese?
Russians? They simply HAVE to be commies.
They all came from commie countries at the time and as such they all must still be commies.
Oh... wait...
They left those countries cause they didn't like conditions there and clearly "being commie among other commies" wasn't their topmost priority.
Or it could be that you're talking out of your ass cause your head is overflowing with shit?
Don't you worry, there's a solution for that too.
Note how that link is about as relevant as yours? Actually... Maybe a bit more as you could put that on your head...
BTW... did you know that when you link vague, unrelated and loaded statements typed into google - that proves nothing?
But it still makes you look like a dick?! No? Well... don't thank me yet. There's more.
Like when you do that double quoting thing, it means that you are informed of and support the point of the asshole above doing the same linking to vague, unrelated and loaded statements and the rest of his dickery.
Which results in most of those results "supporting his theory" being from racist blogs?
So, you're not only full of shit - you're a racist dick by association. Good on ya!
As for Netherlands... Well... for one, your underlying premise is bullshit.
BTW, that's synonymous with "bald faced lying", FYI. So is quoting it, when you clearly show that you COULD check the factuality of those claims but... well... you know...
Anyway, that whole "Netherlands gun violence is high by European standards" thing - that's bullshit.
If we compare gun homicides they are actually rather median and mode for western and northern Europe.
Also, quite negligible and non issue. One guy could rack up twice those numbers in an afternoon.
You wouldn't call that symptomatic now, would you?
Anyway... on to stupid things as Reagan might say.
Sweden - annual firearm homicides total - 2010: 18; Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People - 2010: 0.19,
Norway: 2; 0.04,
Finland: 14; 0.26,
Denmark: 11; 0.20,
Netherlands: 33; 0.20,
Belgium: 36; 0.33,
France: 127; 0.20,
Germany: 51; 0.06,
UK: 33; 0.05.
Feel free to compare later data too, where there is any across all the countries for the given year.
And where there are no outliers like that thing in Norway in 2011, where a lone crazed religious crusader might fudge the statistics of the entire country.
So... Now that we have those 33 deaths by "shooting"...
Onus probandi dictates that you prove your bullshit claims that you've taken up to defend, that:
- ALL those deaths are caused by Moroccan immigrants, i.e. "Them Moroccan gangbangers" as you like to call them,
- further, once you prove that ALL those murders are committed by Moroccan immigrants, that ALL those murderers were also Muslims.
BTW, it's spelled with an I... just so you know... Boy you sure are learning shit today.
Meanwhile, back in reality, back in 2009. there were 341528 people of Moroccan origin in Netherlands.
Meaning that, even if you do dig up those facts, at best you get to say you're not... how you put it... bald face liar.
But your racial and religious prejudice will still shine like a beacon of rectalism.
Cause even if you do manage to scrounge up the data supporting your position, and ALL those murders really WERE committed by Moroccan Muslims - that's still 0.0096% of Moroccan population in Netherlands.
Or do you also argue that EVERYONE in USA is a child molester?
After all... 2012 numbers of reported cases of child se
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The following is very low resolution and poor quality but I insist it is a picture of the Prophet. Are you ready? here it is: o
Because I am too lazy to start another thread here is my rendering of what bigfoot might look like: o
Wait a sec. Is the 'discourteous' part the "Fuck you!", or saying it in the subject line?
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
It might take them a while, but forced submission does work. Forced submission has worked throughout history, and it's working today.
Three stages of Jihad.
1) when in tiny minority, say you just want peace.
2) when in a more sizable minority, demand special privileges for Islam.
3) when in a majority (or close), take the gloves off
It is a brilliant strategy that has worked liked all hell for 1400 years, and is still working.
Two quick notes:
1. I spent ten minutes looking but I couldn't find a youtube clip of this, sorry. He probably phrased it a little better, but that was the gist of it.
2. I really like how this quote can be used to support either argument here--those who say we should be fighting the jihadis, and those who argue that we are simply creating more of them. I think the only sane position is a mixture of these two--clearly, Iraq was a disaster from start to finish (sorry, Hitch), but equally clearly we must not flinch from fighting jihadis when an opportunity presents itself to do so without pissing away trillions of dollars or killing thousands of civilians in collateral damage. (And it should go without saying that certainly shouldn't be shying away from the first amendment at moments like these, nevermind the fact that a few odious asshats happened to be in attendance.)
Perhaps the FBi will sponser this type of event reagonally as a trap for 'potential terrorists'?
The good news is that not all Texans are GOP like Cheney, Lamar smith, Tancredo, etc. Some of the GOP have courage and apparently some dems were in on the team.
Now, TX can focus on going after Isis and AQ instead of the rattlesnakes
Except, of course, he's not.
I grew up in the North and was taught how to shoot by the Boy Scouts at a relatively early age.
In this regard, there's nothing that remarkable about Texas really.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
If there were thousands of such events that Lampooned not just Muhammed, but all religious trappings, each year.... would this sort of lunacy of attacking people over cartoons become less common?
If the scope of the event was big enough would become more of the norm throughout the world?
Seems like killing people over imagery should be what is not tolerated in a civilized world.
That sort of thing is what needs to be extincted.
On the other hand, I've actually been to Paris and I have seen for myself what kind of weaponry they routinely carry around. You would think that with that kind of firepower they could easily put down any nonsense.
A lot of noise is made about "American gun culture" but it's the Europeans that routinely carry serious firepower around their cities.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
If a drawing of the prophet is so offensive, then close yourself off from western ideas.
The west does not share you views, and you have no right to force those views on the west.
That is the difference, and it's a huge difference.
Murdering people because they express honest opinions is, almost entirely, a Muslim thing.
BTW: you do not need to "Defecate on the Qur'an" or anything like that to send Muslims into murderous outrage. Any civil, honest, criticism is all it takes.
If somebody drawing the prophet is offensive to you that you have to murder people, then there is something wrong with you, and your religion.
Your religious rules apply to those in your religion, and nobody else. You do not have the right to force people to submit to your religion.
I feel no need to murder people mock atheism. No "honeypot" would send me into murderous outrage.
Typical pseudo-scholastic approach to Islam which is ironically peddled by our own scholars - thankfully the minority, but the braying of the ass always seems to attract the most attention.
I really recommend a book by a chap called "Misquoting Muhammad" Johnathan AC Brown who is a professor of Islam at a university in America.
It will answer your questions about the marriage to Aisha - not sure about the cross-dressing part you may have to give some corroboration for that one.
The key is look at the world in a relative manner, not absolute one - was the marriage in those days (and for the hundreds of years to follow) considered acceptable?
The answer is yes. The keyword here is anachronism.
You will see in history that as values changes attitudes then change. Mohammad was attacked for being a mad-man and crazed lunatic, before being called a "paedofile" - this came later as attitudes to marriages changed in Europe.
If you are sincere in your research, you will buy the book I recommended and read further into this issue, but if you are happy with a Coca-Cola understanding of Islam then do continue the sex Jihad.
Signed, just another Muslim.
You potentially piss off 1.6 billion people.
1.0% reacts violently.
It's naive that people expect a whole entire populous with 1400 years worth of history to all of a sudden compromise and pipe down.
Sure 99% have the brain-cells to but there's always going to be that 1% - to me it's just basic statistics and human psychology - whether it's atheists, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindu, Sikhs, Buddhists - it's just really the human condition.
But hey we love a good scapegoat don't we?
They had SWAT teams on prem, What looks like more security than attendees.
This was not freedom of speech, it was provocation pure and simple.
Wow, the pedophilia stuff that Mohammed did is horrifying. But there's no need to bash the guy about his cross-dressing....
No, you have it wrong. Suppose that a black-belt woman who dresses provocotively and then when attacked by some would-be rapist, kills him or disables him for police to pick up.
He would say that the would-be rapist had it coming.
--PeterM
The event, sponsored by the American Freedom Defense Initiative, featured cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, and scheduled speakers included Dutch MP Geert Wilders, who has campaigned to have the Quran banned in the Netherlands.
so aparantly they don't really care about freedom. The irony is biting. Cut off your nose to spite your face. While I certainly believe its OK to draw Muhammad, even lampoon him.(along with any and all other religeous figures) and in fact I promote it, you're a total hypocrit if you want to ban the koran. In fact you've proved your just as crazy as the gunman.
If you're judging everybody by today's moral standards, I doubt you could find a single person in history before ~1600 who couldn't be depicted as a demon.
Unfortunetely for everyone else, Islam is still stuck in the middle ages in 2015.
Why is this modded informative? Do you have a citation for any of this? what version of the Kuran are you reading the crazy-person-version?
http://quran.com/
Religion should never be tolerated or accepted.
To sum up Islam:
Kill someone because they drew a picture of an epileptic, diaper wearing, schizophrenic, illiterate profit who hears voices and ride imaginary animals, what does it say about how they value logic or reason?
To sum up Christianity:
Commit incestual acts, rape children and female, kill your first born, eliminate humanity and send your son to die in the greatest sadomasochistic grandstanding of all time.
To sum up Moromism:
Native american's are from Isrial and black people turns against go which is why there black.
This is what people believe, how can you honestly take anyone seriously when they say they're religion. I've always held, and it's true, that religion is the security blanket for the scared adult who's to immature to venture out into the world.
A bunch of diaper headed Muslims want to kill people because they're upset that there favourite cartoon character got drawn, isn't that what 2 year olds do?
ehhhhhh... well it depends on whether you're more of a "giver" or a "receiver" I think. If you mainly looking for mad porn star skillz then no. But there is something pretty special about blowing someone's mind with a sensation that they have literally never felt before... particularly in the case of females, who unless they've done some pretty serious experimenting with toys are not likely to have ever managed to experience much g-spot stimulation.
That said, I'm not altogether convinced your average suicide bomber would be the giving, sensitive type.
This was a perfect example of a honeypot. Just in physical form...
A more physical metaphor would be flypaper. All we have to do to protect the U.S. against terrorism is have one of these Mohammed art exhibits in every town, attackers will naturally be drawn there first and when they attack, they are killed.
In a very real way this is the ghost of Hebdo striking back.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
But one you "allow" murderers to go around, the other you don't. This is hypocritical of you.
Do try to keep up.
Oh, a reading comprehension issue. Allow me:
> These are recorded in what are called the hadiths (orally transmitted information about Mohammad's life and actions) .
> we all know, deep down, that the "religion" circus industry is over.
Tell that to the dudes who are having their necks ventilated by ISIS, that it's "over".
Oh wait, you can't becase the "circus" came to down and did them in.
Well, tell their families then, that this is all nothing to worry about, and to stop making much ado about nothing.
If you defended Piss Christ then you really should be defending this art competition in Texas.
And let's hear it for the local police! They were brought in as additional security for the event, and when something bad happened (a shot rang out, hitting an unarmed security guard), the local police put down the shooters with two quick shots less than 45 seconds after the guard was shot.
The guard is already out of the hospital, the two terrorists with a religious motivation we fear not mentionare at the morgue.
Ken
It is amazing to me that you are so scared of the world that think you need a gun to safely get to and from work.
The Winning Cartoon featured Jesus sucking Mohammad's cock.
while it's sucks that these right wingers are obviously trying to stir up shit, i fully support their right to do it, and we can say islam is fine all we want, but the simple fact is other religions do not have constant persistent killings and assassinations and violence just because they don't like a cartoon, never mind all the other reasons muslims can find to justify murder, even of their own people and families - while these things do happen sometimes in other cultures, it isn't common in modern times and certainly isn't glorified as it is in islam, that doesn't mean many of those people take such extreme views, i'm certain not many do unless they happen to have ak47's lying around, but it's enough that nearly all of that part of the world is totally screwed up with barely functioning states, endless wars, and so on, maybe this muhammad and allah and sharia law aren't doing them so well - but they'll never give it up or secularize their interpretations of things, so I'm sure whenever the rest of the world is doing things like starting cities on mars in a few hundred years, they'll still all be fighting it out and trying to kill the evil non believers, unless maybe the west goes in overwhelmingly and completely changes everything like what happened to the inca's and maya's and aztects hundreds of years ago, then maybe that part of the world could be made peaceful
...is there an end in sight to the madness associated with the representation of this religious figure?
I was taught that a wounded animal is more dangerous than one that is not. There are people who are greatly offended (wounded) by the mockery of their strongly held beliefs. Why keep poking them with a stick and acting surprised when they strike back?
Of course, even poked, that doesn't make their reaction acceptable (shootings), but then again, shooting somebody for their shoes or purse or wallet or color of their skin or what they believe in, etc. is hardly acceptable, either. Those acts of violence occur all the time and at a far greater statistical rate than over the this. It's just that the media doesn't fixate on them.
Just like not all cops are bad because some are, neither are all . Banning the Quran, as the PM wants to do is not the answer. A book is not the cause of this problem. If people in his country or here are being induced to do violence because of it, then something else is wrong and unless you figure out what that is, you can't solve the problem.
If you want peace, work for justice.
I'll go with "freedom of speech" over "Killing for religion" everyday of the week
its "prophet" who married a 6 year old.
Ask a Muslim about "Muta Kathat". They either will honestly not know what it is (fewer than one or two percent have ever read the hadiths or Mohammad's biography the sira.. only about 10% of Muslims have ever read the Quran!) or they will lie about it with the hope that you didn't actually check out what was written (and Islam obliges Muslims to lie 'if of help to Islam' - rather difficult to get converts when your founder in the modern day would be on a sexual offenders register or with a prison file stamped "never to be released").
Posting as an Anonymous Coward for good reason. If you think that fundamentalist Muslims get upset about cartoons, you should see them when you point out explicitly where in the Koran, the hadiths and the sira the things I mentioned above are said.
So you want me to ask a Muslim about something that you already know from experience is likely to become an extremely explosive conversation? (No pun intended)
I cannot recall if there were dead though.
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10...
PARIS, Oct. 24-Government officials, religious leaders and film directors condemned today an apparent arson attack against a Paris theater that was showing Martin Scorsese's film ''The Last Temptation of Christ.''
The fire Saturday night left 13 people hospitalized, 1 of them in serious condition.
...
Before the film opened, the Archbishop of Paris, Jean-Marie Cardinal Lustiger, condemned it without having seen it. He said, ''One doesn't have the the right to shock the sensibilities of millions of people for whom Jesus is more important than their father or mother.''
After the fire, Cardinal Lustiger condemned those responsible for what the police suspect was arson. ''You don't behave as Christians but as enemies of Christ,'' the prelate said. ''From the Christian point of view, one doesn't defend Christ with arms. Christ himself forbade it.''
There have also been attacks against a new Claude Chabrol film, ''Une Affaire de Femmes,'' which is about a Frenchwoman who was executed for performing abortions. A viewer died of a heart attack after seeking to flee one theater after a teargas bomb was set off.
Even the "arguments" from the pulpit, both before and after, are the same.
It's almost as if they are coming from the same Abrahamic sources and same cognitive delusions.
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I wish I could mod you "-1, retarded".
He told you exactly where they were you fucking moron.
Geez, is the idiot running this the same one who was going to have a Koran burning?
How 'bout I have a Bible burning? How would any of you feel about that (ok, I see the guns coming out, that answers that).
Wonder how fast I could burn a Bible... maybe add liquid O2?
mark
Host an event of people drawing Jesus in unsavory poses.... I bet you'll get some Jesus freaks showing up looking to shoot people.
it's a honey pot! idea is to setup a bunch of these draw the prophet events and get a bunch of armed guys in the parking lot to shoot the crazies when they arrive.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
ha, yea, and no one has ever graduated from suicide bombing training camp
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
Try using that logic to reason out the cases of those who "want to be martyrs" armed with pressure cookers full of ball bearings and explosives.
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For instance, if I wanted to cite a verse about gambling and alcohol, I could say please see Chapter 2, verse 19 or (quran 2:19) on gambling and alcohol:
http://quran.com/2/219
Of course many Muslim traditions interpret the text differently (I think sufis believe inner experience is more important), but what your crossdressing, necrophilia fantasies warrant proper source citing.
Hi -
Ever since college in the midwest of the U.S. about 35 years ago I have been very liberal or "progressive" and have tried not to be bigoted or prejudiced, although just like the "Everyone's A Little Bit Racist" song in "Avenue Q" I have often failed. (Like many of my college classmates, I was from a white middle class home.) But events over the past few years have finally made me give up on trying to tolerate Islam. I am an atheist, and understand that it is polite in our society to respect other people's fantasies of eternal life. But unlike the color of your skin or your sexual preference, the religion you follow is absolutely a choice, not really that different from, say, preferring the D.C. character universe over Marvel. Call me a closet redneck or something, but in this one area I have simply had enough of Muslims. Too many of them are simply crazy that it has tarnished all of them for me. I know it is not "nice" or sophisticated to feel this way, but regardless it is a point I have now reached.
I had better not post my name or else maybe they will send a suicide bomber after me or something...
you should see them when you point out explicitly where in the Koran, the hadiths and the sira the things I mentioned above are said.
Your comment would have been far more interesting if you had actually cited any source.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
"Historical relativism" is the usual catch cry for an islamist apologist when painted into a corner with damning evidence from trusted Islamic dogma such as Muhammad's pedophilia, his murders and genocides, breaking of treaties 'when convenient' and "Muhammad gets a 1/5 of the loot and his relatives get another 20%" from every bandit raid by Muslims as very clearly stated in the Quran.
There is nothing "relative" about Islam. The Quran is to be taken literally (as is written in the Quran itself!!!!) and Muhammad was "the seal of the prophets" - the last prophet .Muhammad's actions are NOW AND FOREVER to be taken as the perfect example. So much for "anachronism".
According to Islam, Muhammad was the "perfect man" - "Rasool" Muhammad. Perfection is absolute, not relative. Or are you going to, as a Muslim, blaspheme and suggest that Muhammad was not perfect after all or that there needs to be another prophet come along and fix up Muhammad's "historical" errors such as his pedophilia and many of his other "mistakes"?
I've read the book you recommended. You don't need to buy it, it's online. Google is your friend. Firstly, Johnathan AC Brown pretty much confirms what was written regarding Ayshe above and Muhammad being an inspiration and example of pedophilia for Muslims who are alive and well in the modern world. Secondly, I find it interesting that time and time again, he has shown that even after 1400 years, islamic "scholars" still can't get their story straight even about the basic things in Islam.
In your post you mentioned "taking a pseudo-scholastic approach". You have misapplied this term.This should be applied to the Islamic "scholars"who even after 1400 years of trying still can't even get a basic cohesive story, who can't agree on what something like 25% of the Quran means (and the Quran itself states that 'it is easy and clear to understand') and who need to resort to deception by omission and even outright lies when explaining Islam to non-muslims.
No wonder Islamists must to go out and intimidate into those who question the Cult of Islam. They must be silenced! just in case the 90% of Muslims who haven't even read the Quran find out what is actually there.
So we are back here again, blame all Muslims and their belief system for the foolish actions of a minority. The fallacy of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Would it it be equally fair to say that atheism is the root cause of the nihilist actions of serial killers or those who go on a rampage, that their lack of a belief system facilitates horrific acts? Do we need to have a post on slashdot every time an atheist goes on a rampage? Handpick and skew their belief systems in such a way as to say, 'see, Atheism led to this!' Meanwhile, our foreign policy incinerates thousands of Muslims on a regular basis, whether they oppose the US policy or not. They are just statistics of course, not that these men, women and children's lives matter to any of us. We have very little posts about them in Slashdot (even though people like Snowden found these actions and appalling). Here is an interesting piece by a cartoonist who draws incendiary cartoons, but refuses to be part of the Hebdo orgy, http://www.truthdig.com/arts_c...
"SO we bide our time, waiting for a purer kick to bloom and the future is still bleak, uncertain and beautiful" -GSYBE
Should have one of these "art festivals" about once a month across the nation...draw these morons out and stomp on them like the cockroaches they are.
... "Draw!" means something different.
Have gnu, will travel.
No no and no.
"So marrying and having sex with little 9 year old girls like Aysha is a "perfect" example for Muslims THEN NOW AND FOREVER."
Read and understand, DO WHAT GOD TELLS YOU TO DO is the example big Mo was setting, not 'do what god told me to do'. Amazing how you read so much into something you seem not to have read for context.
From Mishkat Al Masabih, Volume II
Book XXVI- Fitan.
Chapter XXXVIII, “The Fine Qualities of the Prophet’s Wives.”
She told that the people used to choose: ‘A’isha’s day to bring their gifts, seeking thereby to please God’s messenger. She said that God’s messenger’s wives were in two parties, one including ‘A’isha, Hafsa, Safiya, and Sauda, and the other including Umm Salama and the rest of God’s messenger’s wives. Umm Salama’s party spoke to her telling her to ask God’s messenger to say to the people, “If anyone wishes to make a present to God’s messenger, let him present it to him wherever he happens to be.” She did so and he replied, “Do not annoy me regarding ‘A’isha, for inspiration has not come to me when I was in any WOMAN’S GARMENT but ‘A’isha’s.” They then called Fatima, sent her to God’s messenger, and she spoke to him, but he replied, “Do you not like what I like, girlie?” She said, “Certainly,” so he said, “Then love this woman.” (Bukhari and Muslim.) (English translation with explanatory notes by Dr. James Robson, Sh. Muhammad Ahsraf Publishers, Booksellers & Exporters, Lahore-Pakistan, Reprint 1990, p. 1361; bold and capital emphasis ours)
Totally agree that citations would be better... Be ready to barf when you see what is really in Islamic dogma!!!
Muhammad was even fantasising about Ayshe when a small baby!!! http://www.islam-watch.org/Larry/Muhammad-in-Islamic-writings-sex-life-sexual-abuse-pedophilia.htm
Mohammad's pedophila with Ayshe: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140729200744-66813483-collection-of-hadiths-on-muhammad-s-pedophilia
(how Islamist apologists can state that Ayshe was 18 is beyond me!!!)
Mohammad's love of dressing up in his wives clothes is well documented here http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Muhammad_and_Cross-Dressing
Here are stories straight from sahih ahadith that would get you arrested today!! https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/hadith-prophet-muhammad-kissed-the-penis-of-small-boys/
crime death texas is the news that I'm interested in.
Keep up the good work /. !
Yet to see how the Mother of Jesus and our Blessed Lord Jesus is betrayed we as Christians are to turn the other cheek! All this turmoil over in the holy land has been going on over two thousand years. Read the BIble! God bless everyone including the unbelievers.
Is it really okay for you to support the actions of "known asshats" if you don't actually join the club? How does that work? "I'm no Klansman, but those asshats sure do a good job! Keep it up boys!" What does that say about you and your beliefs?
I'm very glad you asked: it says that my beliefs are not frivolous. It says that they are thoroughly grounded in a moral framework I have worked out for myself, and I'm not simply choosing which side to be on based on whether I like the look of the guy who happens to be standing next to me.
If everyone started doing this, I daresay Fox News would fold overnight (rapidly followed by quite a few others from across the political spectrum.)
As for the rest of your spiel, well, first off the last I heard at least one of the guys was a recent convert to Islam, so I'm not sure your oppression argument carries very much weight there. Further discussion on "hatred" towards minority groups (and why the various minority groups react in different ways) would absolutely have to mention Jews, and I simply don't have time right now to write the 27 disclaimer-ridden paragraphs of analysis necessary to even try to avoid all of the baggage and knee-jerk bullshit that comes with that comparison. Sorry.
At one point in history, the Middle East was the world capital of enlightenment and progress. Back then, it was Christianity which was stained in blood in feudal medieval Europe.
So Islam isn't *necessarily* violent, it's just that any religion can go off the rails if it gets into the hands of radical fundamentalists and fanatics.
I also wonder if it has to do with the concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the very few at the top, which is common in the Middle East nowadays. It's easy to see how that would radicalize everyone else.
Makes me wonder what will happen if wealth concentration proceeds unchecked in certain Western nations.
--PM
Matthew 7
1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
6“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
7“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
9“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
13“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
That footnote would be a lot more impactful if you did, in fact, "point out explicitly where in the Koran, the hadiths and the sira the things I mentioned above are said."
But you don't.
In fact, your whole post would be much, much more impactful if you did that.
And you're posting, as you so bravely pointed out, anonymously (as am I - sauce for the goose...), so what's stopping you?
It's about pissing on beliefs. an analogy is an analogy. I'm sure you can choose a different analogy that makes more sense to you if you try hard enough instead of arguing two or three levels removed from the actual issue.
Anyway, here's a clue. The bait is in Texas so unclean American blood can be spilled instead of clean Dutch blood. Wilders is not on your side. The guys that want to shoot him are not on your side either.
Your last name is Maple and you advocate a blitzkrieg of letter writing to get your point across. ARE YOU CANADIAN? I bet you are :P
christian bible tells us "thou shalt not kill", but we have killed more people than any other religious group. We take what we like and disregard what we don't.
In Europe it's not ordinary citizens who carry gun, that is forbidden. Only the European Union- approved Protection Forces (Euroschutzstaffeln) can.
I grew up in the North and was taught how to shoot by the Boy Scouts at a relatively early age.
And anywhere else kids are taught to shoot at men and other various creatures through violent games. Which is worse?
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
Guns don't kill people. Americans do.
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"Brave" Dutchman putting Texan cops in danger? No he's taking advantage of the bravery of others. He's gone and stirred up a couple of American kids that may not have considered murder otherwise, and they've gone and done something stupid enough to get killed as a consequence. I suggest you think about that before trying to wrap things up in a flag.
Yet you are telling me to go away instead of expressing things myself - make up your mind.
I posted a comment an hour or so ago and it is gone. It was a reply to another post here. Is there possibly someone here who does not believe in free speech?
It was a comment about the ordinariness of mohammad. It was only my opinion.
Here now is a comment about free speech: Two dickheads died in Texas for trying to violently shut down free speech.
Here now is a question: Do you think those two dickheads learned their lesson? The lesson being that you shouldn't try to shut down the right to free speech of citizens of the USA!
There is a reason God created guns. (And if you don't understand what that statement means, you never will.)
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So a post calling mohammad a paedophile is somehow less inflammatory than simply saying mohammad liked fucking little girls?
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To Slashdot personnel: I finally figured it out what I was doing wrong, my apologies.
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So essentially they created a honeypot featuring as many racists as possible to draw in extremists so they could kill them? Gotcha.
Have more of these events to draw out the terrorist cells in hiding, but really, the events are just elaborate traps to flush out the fanatics, and then shoot them.
How's this for an idea: some form of visual media (video or drawings, whatever) depicting Muhammad and Islam in a very positive light, marketed and clearly honestly intended to educate westerners about the positive elements of the Muslim community and their history.
Then see if the kind of people who try to shoot people for drawing Muhammad throw a fit over even something like that.
This might not go as nicely as you'd think. A teacher in Sudan made the mistake of allowing her class to name a teddy bear Muhammad (their idea, not hers) and for this crime she was arrested and deported. At one point she had to be taken to a secret location because mobs in the street were literally demanding that she be killed. The chaos was such that the school had to be closed for a month:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I'm not saying a positive documentary would necessarily be met with assassins, but neither could we rule out the possibility.