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...you get errata RPMS from updates.redhat.com and compile everything else from source making sure to put things under /usr/local (I do it by hand, although someone suggested using stow). To me that's the best of both worlds. YMMV.

If like me you took your RHCE exam on version 6.x, then this is the last version on which your certification remains valid, according to the RHCE FAQ.
Ah well. It's got a better shelf-life than some other certs, and only one of my many employers has ever bothered to check it.

For years, I've been compiling the software on my system and tweaking everything by hand. Lately, I've been spending way too long doing this [my computer is slooow], so I decided to nuke my linux install and put on Psyche.

And I love it. It looks great, and RedHat has done a terrific job. Hurray. ;)

EXCEPT ...

Imagine my surprise when, on my fresh Psyche box, I tried to install xmms MP3 plugins and found that RPM was hanging. No matter what I tried (deleting stale __db locks, rebuilding the rpm database, etc.), I continually had to 'kill -9' to remove the rpm zombie process. I can't upgrade or install new packages without rpm dying.

It turns out that there is very likely a race condition in the signal handling code in rpm 4.1, which ships with Psyche. You may or may not experience this problem, but you can follow the status of the bug at the following URLs:

bug 74726
bug 73097
bug 73134

cheers

For years, I've been compiling the software on my system and tweaking everything by hand. Lately, I've been spending way too long doing this [my computer is slooow], so I decided to nuke my linux install and put on Psyche.

And I love it. It looks great, and RedHat has done a terrific job. Hurray. ;)

EXCEPT ...

Imagine my surprise when, on my fresh Psyche box, I tried to install xmms MP3 plugins and found that RPM was hanging. No matter what I tried (deleting stale __db locks, rebuilding the rpm database, etc.), I continually had to 'kill -9' to remove the rpm zombie process. I can't upgrade or install new packages without rpm dying.

It turns out that there is very likely a race condition in the signal handling code in rpm 4.1, which ships with Psyche. You may or may not experience this problem, but you can follow the status of the bug at the following URLs:

bug 74726
bug 73097
bug 73134

cheers

For years, I've been compiling the software on my system and tweaking everything by hand. Lately, I've been spending way too long doing this [my computer is slooow], so I decided to nuke my linux install and put on Psyche.

And I love it. It looks great, and RedHat has done a terrific job. Hurray. ;)

EXCEPT ...

Imagine my surprise when, on my fresh Psyche box, I tried to install xmms MP3 plugins and found that RPM was hanging. No matter what I tried (deleting stale __db locks, rebuilding the rpm database, etc.), I continually had to 'kill -9' to remove the rpm zombie process. I can't upgrade or install new packages without rpm dying.

It turns out that there is very likely a race condition in the signal handling code in rpm 4.1, which ships with Psyche. You may or may not experience this problem, but you can follow the status of the bug at the following URLs:

bug 74726
bug 73097
bug 73134

cheers

But they aren`t worth this official screenshot

I just wanted to let you know that I installed Red Hat 8.0 and it rocks! I can`t wait to tell all my friends!

Ooooh I installed Red Hat! It's so fun! Also, I'm a giggling schoolgirl!

If I wanted to activate my OS I would have gone with Windows XP. Not only do they plagiarise XP user interface, now they also copy Microsoft style practices! Way to go redhat...

Red Hat® Linux® is a collection of many different software programs, developed both by Red Hat and other members of the open source community, which we gather and build to create "Red Hat® Linux®." All software programs included in Red Hat® Linux® are PGP or GPG signed, or otherwise authenticated, by Red Hat to indicate that Red Hat built them. We make Red Hat® Linux® available via software products on CD-ROM as well as free download on the Internet through our ftp site and other authorized electronic download sites. We give each new release a version number, which is usually expressed in the format "Red Hat® Linux® X.X." As of October 2001, the most recent version number is Red Hat® Linux® 7.2.

Check out:
RedHat.com was just updated with 8.0 info!

Better tell Redhat to pack up shop.

Are they casual bussiness users, or they programmers, gamers, artists, or hobbests?

The reason why I am asking this, is because their is so much software that is designed for so many different things. If your friend is an artist, would he or she like Perl? I think not. However, that person might love learning the gimp or blender.

For hobbiests, I recommend litestep because the gui looks cool and they like to tinker with things, as well as apache and the gimp. Apache is cool for those hobbiests who run their own web servers. If you have high speed internet access try SuSe's live-cd. It boots suse linux from the cd and does not install anything on the hard drive. This makes it safe for newbies to goof around.

For programmers, I would recommend perl, python, ruby, gvim, jtext, and netbeans. Gvim for win32 comes with an easy-mode so that even your mother can use it. Basically it always stays in edit mode. Of course without learning the special commands it may seem simplistic and outdated to a newbie. Emacs users please do not start a flame war. I am sorry but their is no easy-mode that I am aware of for the win-32 version of Xemacs. If their is then feel free to flame me and I will recommend Xemacs be included as well to make things fair. Jtext might be a better solution because its all point and click. Also Win-32 developers would feel right at home with the Netbeans ide. Support for other langages besides java is now being included. This makes this ide hot! You may want to include the win-32 version of gcc if its mature enough. Last I heard it still was quite far behind the unix version but it sure beats paying for an ms compiler. Last but not least their is free database software like mysql which would be great for any newbie programmer who wants to learn sql but can not afford SQL-server or Oracle.

For office users, the only thing I could recommend is openoffice. Of course he/she probably already has ms-office so this might not appeal. Windows is designed from the ground up as an office OS. THey would probably prefer windows over linux untill paladium and product activation per pc becomes the norm.

Gamers would not be interested in any free software I can think of unless they are interested in game development. Where they would like all the things I mentioned above for "programmers".

Artists would like blender, and the gimp.

Last but not least, for computer professionals I would recommend cygwin from redhat's website. It really is a unix in windows and included bash, gcc, apache, vim, emacs, mysql,postgresql, etc. Great to learn unix and have a taste of unix. Of course I recommend to actually use linux if you need to do any unix related work because linux is a native environment. Some packages do not compile properly under cygwin like they do in a native unix environment and unix and windows have different models for threads and processes causing some cygwin compilied apps ( cough cough apache) to perform poorly. However the new native win-32 version of apache2 is more Windows friendly.

Oh, I found a few cool free mp3/ogg rippers from tucows. I believe its called FreeRip.

So basically to sum it up its FreeRip, jtext, gvim, netbeans, apache, mysql, cygwin, Perl, Python, Ruby, openoffice, mozilla, blender and the gimp.

RH has also:
- Broke plugin handling

The gruesome details are all in bugzilla.


If I'm uninformed, then you sir, are a liar. Read the actual bug report sometime. Red Hat have done nothign of the sort - they've just compiled KDE with the current GCC - Macromedia has yet to release a GCC 3 based Flash (tho it would seem Flash 6 corrects the problem). You're trying to make out that Red Hat have deliberately sabotages KDE plugins. When Suse, Mandrake, and every other distro also compile KDE with GCC3, will you accuse them of the same?

Here is RedHat's take on this issue, which makes a lot of sense to me. If you're interested in trying an alternative to Gnome or KDE, check out WindowMaker, it's fast, stable, simple and has some nice themes.

An exercise for the AC...

Here are my points:

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OSS doesn't make sense in the reseller market (the one Microsoft is in)

As said previously, why spend millions making software when it's out there for free. If Microsoft makes the best product in the world and sells it for $300 with the source under an open source license, someone will just take the code, maybe modify it a bit, and derive their own product, presumably selling it for less.

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but it makes sense in the support market.

Read.

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Example is Red Hat. No, they're just under being profitable

From Red Hat's website:
"In an increasingly difficult IT environment, Red Hat delivered a profit and generated positive cash flows for the first time," commented Matthew Szulik, President and CEO of Red Hat.

I conceed, I was a touch out of date.

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but they aren't catering to the large market

From Entrepreneur.com:
"Linux was the primary OS for 27 percent of the server operating market at the end of last year"

Again, I'm a little out of date, but 27% is not the kind of market share that Microsoft has (41% from the same website). I phrased "catering to the large market" incorrectly, but I think you get the point.

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I should also add that it's estimated that over 70% of development occurs in-house and not for resale.

From opensource.org:
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Programming will collapse if software has no market value

Very unlikely. Code written for resale is only the tip of the programming iceberg. It used to be said that 85% of all the code in the world was written in-house at banks and insurance companies. This is probably no longer the case ... but most estimates put the proportion of all code written in-house at companies other than software vendors at over 75%.
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I know, I know, don't feed the trolls, but I figured that someone asked for links, I might as well offer them for those who show a real interest (and don't have their heads up their asses).

Well, I guess you're right. Nobody should be allowed to make money off of other people's work. The issue here is that linux companies are allowed to tinker with the product and sell it. The GPL allows this. The question is, is CleanFlicks allowed to do this? If each person is getting a legally purchased copy of the movie, then sure they are. I could buy a movie and pay someone to edit it for me.

Nope. Apparently NPTL is Four times faster than NGPT.

According to a mail from Ingo Molnar halfway down the linked article, M:N threading doesn't really solve the real problem - it's good at switching back and forth between running threads, but the real reason for having very large amounts of threads (be they kernel or user space threads) to begin with, is to do IO, and for that, there is no real advantage of user space threads.

More info on the 1:1 vs M:N issue can be read in the white paper

and dump the RAM storage and active memory to flash at power down.

So you're advocating some extremely aggressive caching. Flash memory isn't fast enough to take a full gigabyte write in an extremely short period of time when a machine suddenly loses power.

After a bit of Google searching, I found this: JFFS2, a journaling filesystem for flash memory and other non-volatile random-access memory devices with limited rewrites per sector. It has some "wear leveling" features.

We got bit in the behind a few weeks ago. Red Hat decided that it was a good idea to close a recent security hole in PHP by upgrading the PHP packages in 7.2 from 4.0.6 -> 4.1.2.
The only problem was that some of our customers were using custom modules for PHP. For them the upgrade was time consuming (costly) and happened later than necessary.

Right now there is a memory leak in the PHP 4.1.2 packages from RH due to shared memory not being released, and the QA people have been letting it sit there for a whole month!!
The result will probably be that they introduce PHP 4.2.2 as a fix...

I've been using Debian at home for 4 years now, and I think their security team does an excellent job! Especially wrt not upgrading a package version unless it is absolutely necessary. (Then they dropped the ball with SSH a few weeks ago. ;)

The net result is that we are considering a move from RH to Debian so we will get better bugfix handling as well as better overall quality of the packages. If we need bleeding edge software we can in most cases fetch the source package from unstable and compile it for woody... (that's what i've done on my home workstation).

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You can visit our website at http://www.rackserv.com.
(Sorry, danish only since our target is the danish hosting market :-/)
</plug>

Winning -- it's a good thing.

KDE already comes with a neally nice browser for SMB, NFS, FTP and web shares called lisa. It seems none of the distribution makers have removed it, but non of them have bothered writing an initscript for it and turning it on.

You can already browse the network easily in, say, Red Hat 7.3 if you create your own initscript - its really slick. But most people who need these kinds of apps won't do that because they can't be bothered (and why should they have to be?).

If you want this to be fixed, then maybe add a supporting comment to
Bug 72114 - Reslisa needs an initscript

The operative word being "most," brother. As your link says, The majority of it is open source. If it has non-open components, then it's neither free software nor open source, even though parts of it are.

Pure anti-Red Hat FUD!

What part of these SRPMS aren't Open Source?

ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise /2 .1AS/en/os/i386/SRPMS/

If you read here , most of RHAS is Open Source...and everything Red Hat wrote is GPL'ed.

I fail to understand how IBM continually can just think about penguins and get such great press. Especially when Dell has already certified all of their appropriate hardware on RH Advanced Server.

RedHat produces several variations of its Linux distribution. You're most likely familiar with the one priced at $30 you can download basically free. The cost of some editions, however, reaches $2500. The version IBM is using retails for $800 I think (could be more). See it yourself at http://www.redhat.com/apps/commerce/software.html

To me, the most critical thing in the Linux market right now is the lack of good software courses, books and software itself. Without good software and an owner who understands programming, a hobby computer is wasted. Will quality software be written for the Linux market?

Almost a year ago, Alan Cox and myself, expecting the linux market to expand, hired Marcelo Tosatti to maintain Linux 2.4. The the initial work took only two months, the three of us have spent most of our lives documenting, improving and adding features to Linux. Now we have reiserfs, ext3, a robust VM, UML, and the 2.5 development tree. The value of the computer time we have used exceeds $40,000,000.

The feedback we have gotten from the thousands of people who say they are using Linux has all been positive. Two surprising things are apparent, however, 1) Most of these "users" never bought Linux (less than 10% of all computer owners have bought Linux), and 2) The amount of royalties we have received from sales to hobbyists makes the time spent on GNU/Linux worth less than $2 an hour.

Why is this? As the majority of users must be aware, most of you steal your software. Hardware must be paid for, but software is something to share. Who cares if the people who worked on it get paid?

Is this fair? One thing you don't do by stealing software is get back at Berkeley for some problem you may have had. Berkeley doesn't make money selling software. The royalty paid to us, the manual, the CD's and the overhead make it a break-even operation. One thing you do do is prevent good software from being written. Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put 10-man years into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free? The fact is, no one besides us has invested a lot of money in Linux software. We have written 3 stable kernels, and are writing Linux-2.5, but there is very little incentive to make this software available to Linux users. Most directly, the thing you do is theft.

What about the guys who re-sell Linux, such as linuxmall.com, aren't they making money on hobby software? Yes, but those who have been reported to us may lose in the end. They are the ones who give
Linux users a bad name, and should be kicked out of any club meeting they show up at.

I would appreciate letters from any one who wants to pay up, or has a suggestion or comment. Just write to me at:

3940 Freedom Circle
Santa Clara, CA 95054 USA

Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the Linux market with good software.

Linus Torvalds
Transmeta Corporation

perhaps you could bring your self down to my level. i dont hangout reading bugtraq either. however, i have subscribed to redhats email lists so that i can get security advisories. you know, the emails that say "hey there is a big fucking hole in your security. apply these packages to fix it".

there are several maling lists to choose from. the redhat watch list will help you out with vulnerabilities.

really though do you think this is self-righteous? i would say it is being responsable. i hate all of those self-righteous people in cars who use seatbealts. they just think they are all that and a bag of chips. grow up and be responsable.

-you get an email about a vunerability
-drop to a console and type the following:

$su -
$service httpd stop

-then upgrade when you have the time.

really now, how hard is that?

perhaps you could bring your self down to my level. i dont hangout reading bugtraq either. however, i have subscribed to redhats email lists so that i can get security advisories. you know, the emails that say "hey there is a big fucking hole in your security. apply these packages to fix it".

there are several maling lists to choose from. the redhat watch list will help you out with vulnerabilities.

really though do you think this is self-righteous? i would say it is being responsable. i hate all of those self-righteous people in cars who use seatbealts. they just think they are all that and a bag of chips. grow up and be responsable.

-you get an email about a vunerability
-drop to a console and type the following:

$su -
$service httpd stop

-then upgrade when you have the time.

really now, how hard is that?

perhaps you could bring your self down to my level. i dont hangout reading bugtraq either. however, i have subscribed to redhats email lists so that i can get security advisories. you know, the emails that say "hey there is a big fucking hole in your security. apply these packages to fix it".

there are several maling lists to choose from. the redhat watch list will help you out with vulnerabilities.

really though do you think this is self-righteous? i would say it is being responsable. i hate all of those self-righteous people in cars who use seatbealts. they just think they are all that and a bag of chips. grow up and be responsable.

-you get an email about a vunerability
-drop to a console and type the following:

$su -
$service httpd stop

-then upgrade when you have the time.

really now, how hard is that?

If this is true, why would they want to use a brand name that was almost entirely devoted to copyright violation?

There were plenty of people who didn't know they were violating copyrights and simply thought of napster was synonymous with "extremely easy to find exactly what you are looking for"

On a side note, i have recieved lots of porn spam in my day, and i have recieved some from this "Napster Porn". I didn't dare try downloading the software for fear of some automatic dialer (not to mention that the software doesn't run on macs anyway, and i don't understand russian...)

So this is nothing new. they have been using the name "Napster Porn" for over a year without actually owning the name Napster. here is a mail that showed up on the redhat mailing list in august of 2001. now either this guy that is tring to buy napster is the same guy, or he saw the russian guys and got inspired.

A high end Mac is going to cost more than $1000, but a high end AMD-based home-built machine will probably cost less than $1000. Intel-based machines are not viable for the price conscious buyer. Intel chips cost too much--they have relatively lousy price/performance ratios and offer few or no additional features beyond AMD chips.

You will, for many reasons, probably pay more for the software on your Mac than for the equivalent software on a Windows machine (especially when taking into account how often you may get a copy of Windows software from a neighbor). I am not going to speak about Linux because most would-be Mac users are uninterested in dealing with Linux. Also, I do not know anyone who uses Linux on the desktop simply to use traditional desktop applications.

If you are interested in a modern desktop with unix available underneath, Cygwin on XP or Win2K is a good approximation.

That's about it for rational and practical reasons not to use a Mac. Many people have other reasons to use a Mac. I, personally, am never convinced that any of them are practical. On the other hand, if it makes you happy, without undue harm, to own one then by all means plunge right in. But, if you do, don't worry too much about the cost.

[root@crow root]# apt-get upgrade
Processing File Dependencies... Done
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove(replace) and 0 not upgraded.

[root@crow root]# apt-get upgrade
Processing File Dependencies... Done
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove(replace) and 0 not upgraded.

> This isn't unique to Microsoft. Heck, Red Hat's going to be dropping support (= no security patches) for 7.2 and earlier when 8.0 comes out (almost certainly this month).

? I've never heard this policy, and this page has links to security and other patches back to 6.2..

Red Hat typically backports security fixes from later releases to the version they shipped with the distribution release to avoid introducing unrelated changes.

Note that RHSA-2002-155 is now superceded by RHSA-2002-160, which additionally addresses CAN-2002-0659.

Matt

Red Hat typically backports security fixes from later releases to the version they shipped with the distribution release to avoid introducing unrelated changes.

Note that RHSA-2002-155 is now superceded by RHSA-2002-160, which additionally addresses CAN-2002-0659.

Matt

According to the Symantec report cited in the story, the bug in openssl is this which is reported as RHSA-2002-155, for which the the fix is openssl-0.9.6b-24.i386.rpm for RedHat 7.3 i386 (plus some other RPMs for other versions, or other RPMS for other versions of RedHat). Maybe the 'g' build from openssh.org is necessary, but RedHat seems to think they've already fixed in in their "b-24" release.

According to the Symantec report cited in the story, the bug in openssl is this which is reported as RHSA-2002-155, for which the the fix is openssl-0.9.6b-24.i386.rpm for RedHat 7.3 i386 (plus some other RPMs for other versions, or other RPMS for other versions of RedHat). Maybe the 'g' build from openssh.org is necessary, but RedHat seems to think they've already fixed in in their "b-24" release.

They made a strong statement that this patent would be freely usable in any GPL-based code (and other approved licenses, like the IBM Public License, The Qt Public License. This also covers sale and other redistribution of free software.

They will probably require a patent-license for proprietary code, which is fine by me. This patent is mostly for leverage against other companies that have software patents.

Kudos to Debian for re-starting the trend.

Dude!

Redhat has been doing ed stuff for a long time. They even have a K-12 program. Here at our university we went to Redhat several years ago. We get good support and have been happy. Debian is a bit too late. They will have to be extremely aggressive if they would want folks like us to switch over.

I also got the impression that the purpose of Red Carpet was more to-do with providing Ximian with some kind of business model, than actually providing useful functionality to the end-user - otherwise why not just build it around apt-get and give us all some flexibility?

In the end, I didn't really see any solid advantage to going with Ximian Gnome (although I do like Evolution), and it had the disadvantage of making my rpm dependency tree more complicated than it needs to be.

Not so anymore from what I've heard! I modded my kernel long ago so I don't know if these work but there are now RedHat RPMs:

Get 'em here

AFAIK the Mozilla shipped is bog-standard, however, if you want to try fontconfig without too much hassle, I really recommend (null).

Get it from your favourite Red Hat mirror - I personally use rpmfind.net

Cheers,

Michel

which brings up a good question: Are there GOOD software packages out there that provide a nice usable display of source code dependencies (call graphs, include dependencies, etc)? I've been using Source Navigator recently and it seems to work ok for well structured java code but less well for c and c++ (of course poorly structured code is a whole different problem and I dont expect it to display well)

Anyway, here's a good reference, from RedHat themselves. I personally haven't done the automated installation, but I've read the manual, and it seems like an easy thing to do. They give you a template file to work with, and you just have to edit it. Pretty straightforward, I guess.

You can probably buy a practise exam set from one of the certification vendors to distribute amongst your students.

SAIR
RHCE
LPI

Here's the link

Red Hat supports numerous open source projects with manpower and materials, hosts numerous other projects, distributes ISO images of their product, and supports the LSB. Yeah sure, just like Mircrosoft.

Red Hat supports numerous open source projects with manpower and materials, hosts numerous other projects, distributes ISO images of their product, and supports the LSB. Yeah sure, just like Mircrosoft.

Red Hat supports numerous open source projects with manpower and materials, hosts numerous other projects, distributes ISO images of their product, and supports the LSB. Yeah sure, just like Mircrosoft.