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I sit in a very large chair
I sit in a very large chair
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Re:Lucy in the sky with Takai, ...Then don't buy the album Golden Throats - the track list reads like titles of new horror films.
* Proud Mary - Leonard Nimoy
* It Ain't Me Babe - Sebastian Cabot
* Blowin' In The Wind - Eddie Albert
* Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds - William Shatner
* A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Noel Harrison
* I Can See For Miles - Frankie Randall
* Try A Little Tenderness - Jack Webb
* Twist And Shout - Mae West
* House Of The Rising Sun - Andy Griffith
* Mr. Tambourine Man - William Shatner
* You Are The Sunshine Of My Life - Jim Nabors
* White Room - Joel Grey
* Like A Rolling Stone - Sebastian Cabot
* If I Had A Hammer - Leonard Nimoy
Rumor has it that Nimoy actually thought he had a future as a folk singer, and was prepared to put out albums and tour. Frightening indeed.
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Re:I propose this become the new standard in battebut sony brand SugarRay Rhino Records, the Warner Music Group and the RIAA resent this statement. Don't bother running, they've already released the lawyers on you.
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Re:Don't apologize. Yes way.I don't need to print a six foot framed print to hang over my couch. I just want to see Britney nekkid. So there's a difference. That could probably be arranged very easily: http://images.rhino.com/videoflash/thedudesons/co
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Re:Not pushed or forced... choseIt's instructive to actually visit Rhino's site. On the page where you can select songs and add them to your cart, there is this small notice at the bottom:
Please Note: These tracks are available as WMA downloads for Windows users only (at 192kbps). However, these songs and albums may be available from the iTunes Music Store.
On the checkout page, you're presented with this warning at the bottom of the page:Important Note: WMA files are NOT compatible with your iPod. Click here to read the Terms and Conditions and check your Media Player compatibility.
I'm not sure why they wait until you're on the checkout page to provide that important caveat. Perhaps in hopes that people won't notice it and simply continue with their purchase?
You really have to read their FAQ to find out how truly crazy their DRM scheme is: http://www.rhino.com/help/digital_faq.lasso. It's also chock full of condescending "humor":How do I download my song licenses?
There are different ways that the licenses are acquired for your music files.
o Upon completing a new order and you click the 'Download button', you will see the license delivery take place within a popup window. You will know it has happened, when your heart opens up and the power of love enters your being. -
Re:hmmm...
when will the record companies understand that we want to listen to our music, at our own convenience.
We still have legal options - even moreso today (than before).
FTA (journal entry dated March 20, 2007):So I headed to Rhino's online store, purchased the music, and downloaded the files.
He mentioned before that he spent 20k on vinyl and CDs already. He just wanted the Luna compilation. If you go to Rhino, you can purchase the Luna cover:
1. He had the option of purchasing the CD (as he professed to in the past), but
2. He purchased a cheaper WMA with this big DISCLAIMER directly below (once you checkout):Important Note: WMA files are NOT compatible with your iPod.
He opted for 2, and ignored the disclaimer.
I thought you can purchase a CD and download them to your iPod. Am I mistaken? I fail to see that as justification for becoming a music pirate. -
Re:Stupid questions
I found your pacifier. Plug your pie hole ya big baby.
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Cool to see more project-driven development
It's worked before, as when Todd Rundgren's "Change Myself" drove development of Lightwave. Not to mention a certain sci-fi show...
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Re:let's face factsVirgin records is in fact a record label.
Rhino records is a label that produces a lot of classic rock albums, as well as some others.
Now you know.
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Re:The big sell-outThere's "no money in it" now because THEY don't know how to extract it. Rhino records is even pretty mainstream and they make a fortune doing exactly this: licensing old recordings the big labels had managed to procure but didn't have a clue how to market and selling them as collections. I've spent the last couple of nights listening to one of these, in fact, as I rip it to CD.
The fact a release is temporally unavailable means nothing - one of the ways to create value is to make sure a release isn't available for some time. This "stores up" demand for when it is available. It could also be a release simply hasn't yet been realised, or it might even be in negotiation. I'd like a DVD of "Hardware" (for example). This has never, so far as I know, been available in spite of being of some modest historical import (it was the first big studio film to be released with an NC17 for violence). well, criterion just released "Videodrome" (another title lost in the DVD shuffle) and I have every confidence they'll eventually get around to "Hardware." Meanwhile, it's as safe as any other in the film vault.
When you rely on volume to extract profit there's a huge gap between "some money in it" and "profitable." No matter how small the market, little guys will license these (as they're already doing - google Jimmie Rodgers, for example) and eek out a living catering to niche audiences that the big guys have no knowledge of, connection to, or time for.
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Re:that's just wrong
All but about ten of the episodes are in public domain now.
The term "public domain" has a very specific legal meaning. MST3K episodes are definitely not public domain. Although it may be strongly inferred that Best Brains doesn't mind unsanctioned copying (the phrase, "Keep circulating the tapes," appears prominently in the end credits of many shows), the shows themselves do not enjoy public domain status.
Some of the shows are available commercially on DVD. That should be the first place MST3K fans look for episodes.
Schwab
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Tom Lehrer already addressed thisTom Lehrer told the story about his "unique" friend who had decided to spell his name Hen3ry. He would just say the 3 is silent.
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Re:Two hands
I agree that "Peer-to-peer gained overnight popularity because of the Britneys and Outkasts", but I'd suggest a few corrections:
"As a matter of fact, it is their growth rate that is down, not overall profitability"
Total recorded music sales (in dollars) dropped by 13.5% from its peak in 1999 until the end of 2002 (the last full year numbers on the RIAA site), and dropped 12% for the first half of 2003 vs. first half of 2002. So the total sales numbers are clearly down quite a bit. Given all of the layoffs at music companies over the last year, I'd have to think that the ~20% drop in sales probably affected profitability a bit.
"that growth began to decline well before Napster"
The music industry started shrinking slightly in 2000, and clearly dropping in 2001 and faster in 2002 and 2003. Napster was launched in 2000. That's not to say that Napster caused the drop in sales (there are plenty of other things that also happened, such as the slowing of the LP to CD replacement cycle), but the sequence makes it possible that Napster accellerated the drop in sales.
"Let's also not forget that truly vast quantities of good older music (from which the music outfits have already made their pile) are traded online regularly because there is no other way to get it. Copyright infringement it may be, but it certainly is no loss to the music industry since they don't sell it anymore anyway."
The music companies keep older music available. Look at Rhino, for example. Sure, not everything is kept in print forever, but back catalog sales are a good business. -
Any of these:How about Mystery Science Theater 3000 here
Your guests could either listen to the dialogue or the background images of cheesy sci-fi movies would set the 'geek' tone for your party...
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Re:yes....
Music quality is a constant
Bullshit. I'd like to see your proof of that.
However I can readily supply evidence that quality has dropped and that history hasn't clouded our minds: the Beatles.
When a band is widely regarded as the best band ever, yet still the highest selling band by RIAA's own admission, you say that music quality is a constant? That band alone, with 150% the sales of the number two slot (who is also a great band of days past, Led Zeppelin) is, mathmatically, a very convincing argument that music quality is dropping.
The problem with music quality is that record companies have realised that they don't need good bands to stick around like they used to. All they need is a constant supply of one hit wonders or one album wonders and they're laughing. They're laughing even harder because they don't have to renegotiate contracts more favourable to successful artists!
The lack of quality music being put out by the majors is a problem in more ways than one. With the Internet their strategy of pumping and dumping artists falls apart because they've trained all their consumers to go for the quick fix - singles they hear on the radio or MTV. Where consumers used to buy a whole album so they could listen to all the gems that the radio wouldn't play kids nowadays don't care for anything besides the latest chart-topper. Even if they have tried buying a few albums they've learned it isn't really worth it because the non-single tracks are poor. The internet offers a cheaper alternative to addict-like consumers that have no concept of brand loyalty.
Suing the people interested in your product will never be a good idea. You won't scare them into buying your music, you'll only scare them away. And with the Internet that is becoming increasingly viable. Whereas non-RIAA music used to be difficult to obtain, now it's just as easy to find as any other music on the Internet. And this will only get easier.
The real solution isn't online stores like iTunes although they're a good idea that will certainly help. If RIAA members would market brand loyalty and respect for physically owning new things CD prices would rise. This is similar to used cars, or even budget cars like KIA: why do so many people buy new cars when used cars are so readily available at greatly reduced cost? You may think it's for convenience, or reliability, but that's only because the automakers' marketting is so pervasive. If you've ever tried dealing with a few car salesmen you might notice there is little convenience to be had in buying a car that way.
If the RIAA members were flexible enough to change their business strategy they would have no problems dealing with digital copying. But they are not. They don't realise that letting kids build up an addiction to possessing hundreds of songs would translate into massive sales when they become adults. They're trying to hold on to an outdated business model. And they're ignoring that tenant of business: supply and demand. Supply is currently high. They must use marketing to compensate and increase demand. -
Re:Limited choice
Admittedly, the choices in iTunes are limited. Even though they signed several indpendent labels, including Matador and Kill Rock Stars, though don't have the entire catalog of those labels or any rarities. Heck, they don't even have some of the new releases - try looking for Her Majesty the Decemberists.
The advantage of the P2P networks from a selection standpoint was that you had thousands of people adding tracks, not just one or two labels. On the old Napster, I remember finding tracks from B-Sides and compilations albums from the 80's along with ton's of live materials - let alone regular recordings. In that respect, I think the P2P networks will probably stay around for hardcore fans, looking for rare items. However, I don't think the RIAA is worried about people who are downloading the Reiver's cover of "Atlantic City".
If anyone stands to lose from online music stores, it's Rhino and the producers of the "That's What I Call Music" series. For the hit single buyer, the online store is a great bargain. I wonder if you can pick up "Billy Don't Be a Hero" on iTunes yet. -
Bad link
The non-recursive link to Rhino Records
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Is Your Target Audience Professionals???
If you are selling software to be used in a professional business environment (or moreso in an educational or government institution), then piracy is less of a concern to your company. I've worked at a number of private businesses and none of them have condoned employees pirating software. The motivation for this is that in the event that they get caught, a business stands to lose a great deal more than if they'd just ponied up the dough for licenses.
Here's an example. Recently, I downloaded an evaluation copy of Rhino's object rendering software. I have yet to install this copy, because it comes with a limited trial period and I haven't had the time yet to give it a true trial by fire. Anyway, since downloading, I have recieved numerous emails asking me how I like it. Well, if I buy it, then they'll know, else please leave me alone. I had to go through a long reg process, but the pics on the website looked good, so I figured I'd go through the garbage. Now, if you've used Rhino, then you know that this is pretty heavy-handed software we're talking about; its not Microsoft Paint. A serious user would have to take time to learn how to use it, or even take a course on the software.
The point is, why should I have to be bothered by emails and long reg processes? This software is for pros. Pro shops are going to buy it legitimately, because piracy is not worth the risk in the legitimate business world (and in the illegitimate business world, they'll crack your eval copy if it is in any way possible). If home users download this software, and they decide to pirate it, then what does Rhino lose? The home pirates aren't going to buy the software anyway, because it is quite expensive, and pirates don't buy software, they steal it. The crackers who grab this software will welcome the challenge of cracking it, and they may be successful at doing so. So, what happens if somebody cracks or pirates this software for their own home use? Well, they'll play around with the software, and some of them may be interested enough to actually learn how to use the software. The end result is, Rhino didn't acutally lose any revenue, but they did gain people who could use a legitimate copy of their software in a business setting. They gained a user, and when it comes to specialized pro-grade software, it is important for a company to have people trained in its use. -
Big Daddy
I hadn't heard of them before (but I had heard Chantmania), but was able to find them with Google. These look like the guys you were talking about:
http://www.dustbury.com/music/bigdaddy. html
http://www.dustbury.com/music/bigdad2.ht ml
Their disks are all distributed by Rhino Records, but apparently only Chantmania is still in print. Some of their songs are on Dr. Demento compilations. Yahoo's CD Discounters online store apparently has their album Cutting Their Own Groove for sale.
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