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Re:Wow!
If you don't care for that analysis, here's another.
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Re:use nortonNot to worry, Linux kernel has had a massive hole all of its own found this week as well.
If you're feeling left out, here's 31 pages of vulnerabilities for Ubuntu
. Just select Ubuntu as the vendor and Ubuntu Linux as the title. You can do it for other distros if you're using them. Results will be similar for most distributions -
Re:PJ does have her moments
There's a million ways to be anonymous from open WiFi (even the retards should have that one figured out) to misconfigured proxies, mixmaster networks, freenet, TOR, JAP and a host of other possibilities for anyone that wants real anonymity.
It's funny that you mention JAP. Do you know that it was compromised by law enforcement in 2003? And how about the poor sap that got busted for breaking into Palin's email. He used a proxy that stated: "Because government subpenoa could require us to hand over our server access logs, access logs are regularly deleted to protect your privacy. In short, we value your browsing experience as well as your anonymity, and would not do anything to break your trust in us."
This guy gladly handed over the logs to the feds.
You can be anonymous, but it's not trivial and easy to screw up or get compromised.
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Responsible disclosure?
First of all, I don't see any reason why this would be on the Slashdot front page. Many vulnerabilities like this one are discovered every day, and many are more critical and interesting, and concern products that are more widely used than Zimbra. Just take a look at Bugtraq to see a few samples.
More importantly, we shouldn't promote any random blogger who posts about security vulnerabilities to get t-shirts from Yahoo:
For anyone from Yahoo! reading this, I'm still waiting for the shirt I was promised from the first time I reported a vulnerability, but its all good
:)There's such a thing as responsible disclosure, and that's not blogging happily about everything you find, on a Friday no less, and then mentioning in passing that "At the time of the writing Yahoo! security has been notified." You have to give the vendor at least a chance to get the bug fixed.
CJ
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This is good.
But it's stuff like this we're really after: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPack_(software). People who code professional-grade malware generally do so to profit off of it. It's well known that in the existing ecosystem of digital crime the malicious hackers themselves rarely act as attackers in large-scale id/credit card theft; instead they sell it to people who do. Quoting this extremely enlightening interview: http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11476
"The project is not so profitable compared to other activities on the Internet. It's just a business. While it makes income, we will work on it, and while we are interested in it, it will live. Of course, some of our customers make huge profits. So in some ways, MPack could be looked at as a brand-name establishment project."
This particular piece of spyware is amateur stuff, aimed at paranoid spouses/bosses, but if we can hit the business of selling spyware (probably requiring the cooperation of the international banking system, as well as the governments of china and russia) it would totally cripple large-scale internet crime as we know it. It's a pipe dream, of course. But one can always dream.
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Re:n/t
So basically it costs money to get EAL verified, and the farther up the scale you go, the more money it costs to run the testing.
Uh, yes? The more specific the documentation, the more work has to be done to verify it. I'm not sure how many million LOCs are in the Linux kernel but if I had to go through EAL6+ semi-formal proofs for all of them I'd charge a bundle too. Are you really trying to imply that NSA issue this sham certification because they're short on funding? Stop trying to pretend that all the "experimental support" that goes into Linux could or should pass certification, because it damn well shouldn't. Certainly not on based on a casual "it's probably capable" that's quite frankly pulled out of your nethers with no documentation to back it up. Here for example are THREE security exploits in the kernel in the last two months:
1 Linux Kernel VDSO Unspecified Privilege Escalation Vulnerability (Vulnerabilities) Rank: 820
Last modified on: 2008-11-04 00:00:00 MST
URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/32099
2 Linux Kernel LDT Selector Local Privilege Escalation and Denial of Service Vulnerability (Vulnerabilities) Rank: 820
Last modified on: 2008-10-03 00:00:00 MDT
URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/31565
3 Linux Kernel 'generic_file_splice_write()' Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability (Vulnerabilities) Rank: 820
Last modified on: 2008-10-03 00:00:00 MDT
URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/31567Don't get me wrong, Linux is a great system and all but I wouldn't want to nuclear launch control on it, sorry.
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Re:n/t
So basically it costs money to get EAL verified, and the farther up the scale you go, the more money it costs to run the testing.
Uh, yes? The more specific the documentation, the more work has to be done to verify it. I'm not sure how many million LOCs are in the Linux kernel but if I had to go through EAL6+ semi-formal proofs for all of them I'd charge a bundle too. Are you really trying to imply that NSA issue this sham certification because they're short on funding? Stop trying to pretend that all the "experimental support" that goes into Linux could or should pass certification, because it damn well shouldn't. Certainly not on based on a casual "it's probably capable" that's quite frankly pulled out of your nethers with no documentation to back it up. Here for example are THREE security exploits in the kernel in the last two months:
1 Linux Kernel VDSO Unspecified Privilege Escalation Vulnerability (Vulnerabilities) Rank: 820
Last modified on: 2008-11-04 00:00:00 MST
URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/32099
2 Linux Kernel LDT Selector Local Privilege Escalation and Denial of Service Vulnerability (Vulnerabilities) Rank: 820
Last modified on: 2008-10-03 00:00:00 MDT
URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/31565
3 Linux Kernel 'generic_file_splice_write()' Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability (Vulnerabilities) Rank: 820
Last modified on: 2008-10-03 00:00:00 MDT
URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/31567Don't get me wrong, Linux is a great system and all but I wouldn't want to nuclear launch control on it, sorry.
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Re:n/t
So basically it costs money to get EAL verified, and the farther up the scale you go, the more money it costs to run the testing.
Uh, yes? The more specific the documentation, the more work has to be done to verify it. I'm not sure how many million LOCs are in the Linux kernel but if I had to go through EAL6+ semi-formal proofs for all of them I'd charge a bundle too. Are you really trying to imply that NSA issue this sham certification because they're short on funding? Stop trying to pretend that all the "experimental support" that goes into Linux could or should pass certification, because it damn well shouldn't. Certainly not on based on a casual "it's probably capable" that's quite frankly pulled out of your nethers with no documentation to back it up. Here for example are THREE security exploits in the kernel in the last two months:
1 Linux Kernel VDSO Unspecified Privilege Escalation Vulnerability (Vulnerabilities) Rank: 820
Last modified on: 2008-11-04 00:00:00 MST
URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/32099
2 Linux Kernel LDT Selector Local Privilege Escalation and Denial of Service Vulnerability (Vulnerabilities) Rank: 820
Last modified on: 2008-10-03 00:00:00 MDT
URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/31565
3 Linux Kernel 'generic_file_splice_write()' Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability (Vulnerabilities) Rank: 820
Last modified on: 2008-10-03 00:00:00 MDT
URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/31567Don't get me wrong, Linux is a great system and all but I wouldn't want to nuclear launch control on it, sorry.
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Re:Isn't that the whole idea of an open platform?
OT, I know, but speaking of Bluetooth, I remember not long ago there seemed to be worries-aplenty about security issues with Bluetooth itself, but I've heard nary a peep about this in ages.
Maybe I've missed the press releases about it, but isn't this still the case? Aren't there still major concerns about Bluetooth being insecure?
This Security Focus article on bluetooth in particular is one on the subject that seemed to be widely referenced, but it's quite old: 2005. -
Ghosts in the Machine
Ghosts in the Machines
This is not a terribly good thing at this time, they're not prepared.
For those of you that have an understanding:Below Links: [tagmeme.com]
She's forgotten to pay her SSL certificate fees - click through, it's more than likely 99.999% cool.
See:http://laughingsquid.net/faq/ssl/
Site:
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/
Guide to the source archive contents:
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/a/000177.html
Orinoco-like:
https://tagmeme.com/subhack/a/pcmcia07-051227.txt
It's taken 10 years to find someone else that will talk about their experiences with this hack. It has been named "Subversionhack" or just plain "Subversion".
If you've ever been hit by this you'll soon see that it affects computers with no wireless cards, allowing for Ultra high frequency (UHF, VHF, etc.) receptions (see FCC warning label on your computer) using a techniques of code replacement, i.e. chip crowding or just a plain re-flash of non-flash-able chips. It can also be achieved through kernel kits written in assembly.
This has been so under the radar (no pun intended) for so long people will call you names for just considering it.
Find out for yourself.
Packet Radio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio
Ultra-Wideband:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_wideband
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_high_frequency#United_States_2
Why do you think the Air Force wants to go with custom networking protocols?
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/11/air-force-aims.html
Because they can't beat it.
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/33500#33500
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/33017#33017
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/34206/threaded#34206
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/34207/threaded#34207
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Ghosts in the Machine
Ghosts in the Machines
This is not a terribly good thing at this time, they're not prepared.
For those of you that have an understanding:Below Links: [tagmeme.com]
She's forgotten to pay her SSL certificate fees - click through, it's more than likely 99.999% cool.
See:http://laughingsquid.net/faq/ssl/
Site:
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/
Guide to the source archive contents:
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/a/000177.html
Orinoco-like:
https://tagmeme.com/subhack/a/pcmcia07-051227.txt
It's taken 10 years to find someone else that will talk about their experiences with this hack. It has been named "Subversionhack" or just plain "Subversion".
If you've ever been hit by this you'll soon see that it affects computers with no wireless cards, allowing for Ultra high frequency (UHF, VHF, etc.) receptions (see FCC warning label on your computer) using a techniques of code replacement, i.e. chip crowding or just a plain re-flash of non-flash-able chips. It can also be achieved through kernel kits written in assembly.
This has been so under the radar (no pun intended) for so long people will call you names for just considering it.
Find out for yourself.
Packet Radio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio
Ultra-Wideband:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_wideband
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_high_frequency#United_States_2
Why do you think the Air Force wants to go with custom networking protocols?
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/11/air-force-aims.html
Because they can't beat it.
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/33500#33500
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/33017#33017
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/34206/threaded#34206
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/34207/threaded#34207
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Ghosts in the Machine
Ghosts in the Machines
This is not a terribly good thing at this time, they're not prepared.
For those of you that have an understanding:Below Links: [tagmeme.com]
She's forgotten to pay her SSL certificate fees - click through, it's more than likely 99.999% cool.
See:http://laughingsquid.net/faq/ssl/
Site:
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/
Guide to the source archive contents:
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/a/000177.html
Orinoco-like:
https://tagmeme.com/subhack/a/pcmcia07-051227.txt
It's taken 10 years to find someone else that will talk about their experiences with this hack. It has been named "Subversionhack" or just plain "Subversion".
If you've ever been hit by this you'll soon see that it affects computers with no wireless cards, allowing for Ultra high frequency (UHF, VHF, etc.) receptions (see FCC warning label on your computer) using a techniques of code replacement, i.e. chip crowding or just a plain re-flash of non-flash-able chips. It can also be achieved through kernel kits written in assembly.
This has been so under the radar (no pun intended) for so long people will call you names for just considering it.
Find out for yourself.
Packet Radio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio
Ultra-Wideband:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_wideband
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_high_frequency#United_States_2
Why do you think the Air Force wants to go with custom networking protocols?
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/11/air-force-aims.html
Because they can't beat it.
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/33500#33500
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/33017#33017
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/34206/threaded#34206
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/34207/threaded#34207
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Ghosts in the Machine
Ghosts in the Machines
This is not a terribly good thing at this time, they're not prepared.
For those of you that have an understanding:Below Links: [tagmeme.com]
She's forgotten to pay her SSL certificate fees - click through, it's more than likely 99.999% cool.
See:http://laughingsquid.net/faq/ssl/
Site:
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/
Guide to the source archive contents:
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/a/000177.html
Orinoco-like:
https://tagmeme.com/subhack/a/pcmcia07-051227.txt
It's taken 10 years to find someone else that will talk about their experiences with this hack. It has been named "Subversionhack" or just plain "Subversion".
If you've ever been hit by this you'll soon see that it affects computers with no wireless cards, allowing for Ultra high frequency (UHF, VHF, etc.) receptions (see FCC warning label on your computer) using a techniques of code replacement, i.e. chip crowding or just a plain re-flash of non-flash-able chips. It can also be achieved through kernel kits written in assembly.
This has been so under the radar (no pun intended) for so long people will call you names for just considering it.
Find out for yourself.
Packet Radio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio
Ultra-Wideband:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_wideband
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_high_frequency#United_States_2
Why do you think the Air Force wants to go with custom networking protocols?
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/11/air-force-aims.html
Because they can't beat it.
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/33500#33500
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/33017#33017
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/34206/threaded#34206
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/34207/threaded#34207
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Re:I was actually one of the first to hack it
Heh, I actually found an article that explains it from 2000 and I even got a mention in it
:)http://www.securityfocus.com/news/89
I just found it now googling for what the legal basis was... I had never read it before... so I gotta thank you for making me curious!
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Re:Newbie Question
How so? What I said is exactly that. On an unformatted disk you get three options, 1- use the whole disk, 2- custom partiton, and.. wait. there's only two.
I can't figure out what I mean by me over simplifying it because that's what it is, simple.
You word it so that the Windows partitioning step looks like it involves more steps than the Ubuntu stage, when both systems have a partition stage. You even have the user create a new partition for some reason when their disk is most likely already partitioned, and all they have to do is press Enter.
I did that because Ubuntu comes with Office software already on the disk.
You do realise that people use office software don't you?
Again (since you're being purposely obtuse), you cite Ubuntu's inclusion of OpenOffice as an advantage while pretending that versions of Office don't already come preinstalled on PCs or even on the OEM Windows recovery install disc included with the PC. Dell even has a CD with an app that lists all the bundled applications available, and you can just click their names. OpenOffice is also a free download for Windows.
This is nonsense, how can you do a fair comparrison of installing the operating system on a custom pc and come up with "the vendor disk".
Why wouldn't I? What is unfair about pointing out that Windows almost always comes with Office as well? And if it doesn't, OpenOffice is a free download for Windows too. I really don't see the point is of even bringing it up as an advantage.
It's totally irrelevant anyway because it's still not a click install even with the vendor disk. Which was my whole point in the first place.
There's no such thing as a "click install," especially with Linux.
Yes because it would be irresponsible not to download updates for Windows. It's so important that your box can get owned in less then 4 minutes.
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Re:It's funny and sad...
i probably shouldn't feed trolls, but i'll humor you...
- good Samaritan faces up to 10 years in prison for exposing security flaw in university's computer system.
- Schoolboy hacker faces 38 years in prison for changing his grades.
- an Asperger sufferer faces 60 years for looking for government info on UFOs on military computers.
- and let's not forget Kevin Mitnick who spent 5 years in prison and 8 months of it in solitary confinement.
- while a spam king who committed malicious acts against tens of millions of average computer users only gets 47 months after making millions.
seems like greed-driven malware writers, spammers, and other digital bottom-feeders go free with a slap to the wrist while harmless teenage hackers get the book thrown at them. from a ZDNet article, "US bill would treat all hackers as terrorists":
A major anti-terrorism bill now being considered by the US government has been criticised for disproportionately targeting low-level computer intruders, making small crimes punishable by a penalty of life in prison.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation, the main civil liberties group in the US focussing on the digital world, condemned parts of the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA) now in Congress, which would treat all computer trespass as terrorism. "Treating low-level computer crimes as terrorist acts is not an appropriate response to recent events," said EFF executive director Shari Steele in a statement. "A relatively harmless online prankster should not face a potential life sentence in prison."
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In the US, the EFF criticised the portion of the new bill that adds low-level computer intrusion -- which could be something as innocuous as a teenager having a look around a commercial Web server -- to the list of "federal terrorism offences". Such offences carry penalties of up to life imprisonment, and give investigators broad powers of asset seizure, as well as threatening those who "harbour" offenders.meanwhile violent offenders face much lighter sentences:
- Staff Sgt. Cardenas J. Alban convicted of killing severely wounded 16-year-old Iraqi during fighting in Baghdad's Sadr City neighborhood. Sentenced to one year's confinement, demoted to private and given bad-conduct discharge.
- Staff Sgt. Johnny Horne Jr. pleaded guilty to unpremeditated murder in same case as Alban. Sentenced to three years in prison, had rank reduced to private and given dishonorable discharge. Horne's prison sentence later reduced to one year.
- Cpl. Dustin Berg convicted and sentenced to 18 months in military prison for shooting death of Iraqi police officer.
- Spc. Rami Dajani convicted of making a false statement following fatal shooting of Iraqi translator. Sentenced to 18 months' confinement and given a reduction in rank and bad conduct discharge.
- Spc. Charley L. Hooser convicted of involuntary manslaughter in same case involving Dajani. Hooser sentenced to three years in prison and given a reduction in rank and bad conduct discharge.
- Capt. Rogelio "Roger" Maynulet convicted of assault with intent to commit voluntary manslaughter in shooting death of wounded Iraqi. Dismissed from armed forces.
- Marine Maj. Clarke Paulus convicted of dereliction of duty and maltreatment in case stemming from death of Iraqi prisoner who was dragged out of holding cell by the
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MORE "Pro-*NIX" typical "F.U.D." from the *NIXers
A RESPECTED WEBSITE (AS REGARDS LINUX VIRUSES & *NIX + viruses, in general), in SECURITYFOCUS.COM, & their statements on this issue:
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/188 [securityfocus.com]
SALIENT QUOTE:
"There are about 60,000 viruses known for Windows, 40 or so for the Macintosh, about 5 for commercial Unix versions, and perhaps 40 for Linux"
(Hell, IF I were to guess who is writing up most of these attacks for Windows????? I'd say *NIX users in fact, & mainly because of the type of "anti-microsoft/anti-Windows" sentiment & FUD spreading I see here around
/., for instance!)And, that's NOT mentioning worms that have shown up on LINUX too, no less, in the past...
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Oh, & IF you're trying to say "LINUX IS INVULNERABLE"? See this (pretty reliable source, this very website in fact) ->
Red Hat, Fedora Servers Compromised:
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/22/1341247
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Hell, apparently?
Even the LINUX distro's OWN OEM's cannot set it up right for security apparently, & EVEN IF you have an SeLinux bearing distro?? It needs WORK (added above & beyond OEM setup mind you) to make it more secure/as secure as can be!
APK
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Re:Well, here we go
"If Windows can be infected with viruses or malware within hours of installation, with almost no user input, that is an OS problem." - by BrokenHalo (565198) on Saturday October 18, @02:14AM (#25422353)
OK:
Let me ask YOU a question:
Does Linux & other *NIX based OS have webbrowsers, email, & even Adobe products running on them? Do they have a DOM model?? Does Javascript, IFrames, & plugins run on (some or all of) those programs/tools???
(After all, the past 1-4 yrs. now, the attacks you see reported on (as well as security vulnerabilities out there today) happen via those mechanisms, from bad code on websites, injected or intentional, & all the way into adbanners even lately!)
My point?
They can hit ANY OS platform out there today, via those mechanisms (webbrowsers, email, & Adobe
.pdf files even, while using javascript (& iframes + plugins as well))If so - are you trying to tell us that LINUX (or, really ANY *NIX) is "invulnerable" to said malware-based/malscripted attacks & that Linux has NO viruses????
So - you probably are going to try to say "there are no viruses for LINUX" next... &, so sorry, but I am going to disappoint you on that regard, if you believe so (which is the typical *NIX "F.U.D." you see get spread around here on
/. especially!)See this:
A RESPECTED WEBSITE (AS REGARDS LINUX VIRUSES), in SECURITYFOCUS.COM, & their statements on this issue:
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/188
SALIENT QUOTE:
"There are about 60,000 viruses known for Windows, 40 or so for the Macintosh, about 5 for commercial Unix versions, and perhaps 40 for Linux"
(Hell, IF I were to guess who is writing up most of these attacks for Windows????? I'd say *NIX users in fact, & mainly because of the type of "anti-microsoft/anti-Windows" sentiment & FUD spreading I see here around
/., for instance!)----
"Lame excuses not accepted." - by BrokenHalo (565198) on Saturday October 18, @02:14AM (#25422353)
To put it bluntly?
You're FULL of it!
( & the proof's right there + will be moreso, once you answer my initial question, especially)...
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Want to try to tell us that LINUX is "invulnerable" next (or that it has no security vulnerabilies, or never has, next? Go for it!)
Take a read of THIS, first though, below next!
Red Hat, Fedora Servers Compromised:
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/22/1341247
APK
P.S.=> The ONLY reason Windows IS so attacked (& probably by stupid botmasters who control botnets from *NIX based rigs, most likely Linux no doubt), IS because it is the MOST USED OS THERE IS!
(95% of the world's machines run it (how many are on Linux for example by way of comparison? Not many, device driver support is inferior, as well as the software available (of which *NIX has far less of no less)))
Thus, botmasters & their like attack it - "biggest bang for the buck/most wide surface attack area possible" is in windows & its userbase (from home end users, to departmental LAN end point workstation nodes, up thru departmental servers, & into the "mission-critical/enterprise class" Server range of OS use), w/ mostly "end users" types using Windows... &, I strongly suspect that MOST of the 'attackers' of Windows machine, are again, *NIX users as well (just speculation though, but it makes some sense what w/ all the "anti-MS" crap I see going on @ this very website, for instance, almost daily... too bad much of it is FUD spreading garbage though!)
(I.E.-> Windows users usually are just plain-folks who are not computer security experts in other words, where on a 'geek OS' like *NIX & its vari
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Re:Noob questions
Not all of the telco's cooperated.
"Quest Communications... refused the NSA's request for its customers phone records based on the advice of legal counsel, the former CEO said in a statement released on Friday. "
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Re:Fast javascript: MORE IMPORTANTLY? Secure DOM
"Does anyone know of a project to bring some of the fast Javascript implementations like V8 to the server?" - by cornicefire (610241) on Monday October 13, @06:40PM (#25362433)
More importantly than speed, imo @ least, would be to create a less 'faulty' (insecure) implementation of the Document Object Model (DOM) behind javascript... & of javascript itself!
(After all, anybody can take a peek over @ SECUNIA.COM &/or SECURITYFOCUS.COM (just to name a couple reputable sites in regards to security) & see that the majority of attacks ARE javascript driven the past 3-4 years now (sometimes in combination with plugins & iframes) that have even extended to not only bad site's code, but also adbanners as well).
Speed's nice, but judging by the state of things, such as the recent "ClickJack" shenanigans going on out there (which YES, stalling javascript does help stop, despite the init. headline here in regards to this on Sept. 25th 2008 ->
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Alarm Raised For "Clickjacking" Browser Exploit:
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Which the
/. article's poster had stated otherwise (verbatim: "The issue has nothing to do with JavaScript so turning JavaScript off in your browser will not help you", which is blatantly untrue, if you read on you will see why & from whom (makers of NoScript iirc)), at the close of its initial posting?Well, guess again:
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SALIENT QUOTE:
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11534/2
"JavaScript increases the effectiveness of this attacks hugely, because it ensures that user will click our target no matter where he points -- that is, we can move the target around to stay always under the mouse pointer"
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Thus, as you can see? Well, contrary to the "clickjack" article initially posted here @
/. on Sept. 25th & its headline here from its initial poster??It actually HELPS to stop javascript vs. Clickjacks, too (see the reference to SECURITYFOCUS.COM there in that URL above)... once more, see the URL above in regards to that & despite others also stating that 'stopping javascript would stall framebusting code, as well!
Speed's nice guys, but it only means you will get infected/infested, THAT MUCH FASTER is all, nowadays (& for the past 3-4 yrs. now)... heck, & the security suite folks are failing vs. these things too, with this latest COMPUTERWORLD excerpt:
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Top security suites fail exploit tests (COMPUTERWORLD):
&/or
Top security suites fail exploit tests (SECUNIA):
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The "old-school methods" (what security suites use, like virus signatures, which only work vs. KNOWN threats, when they ought to be concentrating on white or blacklisting sites &/or HEURISTICS levels of detection ("smells like a duck, tastes like a duck: IT MUST BE A DUCK!" type logic)) aren't working that well nowadays guys!
After all, you know it, & I know it - The REAL, TRUE threat's coming thru your email, webbrowser, instant messenger programs (& even Adobe
.pdf files with javascript active in the program, & plugins like Adobe Flash (which I guessed correctly on above no less, as to the "mystery program" that was involved that J. Grossman & crew (discoverers of the clickjack issue) kept -
GUESS AGAIN on javascript (& more)... apk
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11534/2
SALIENT QUOTE:
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"JavaScript increases the effectiveness of this attacks hugely, because it ensures that user will click our target no matter where he points -- that is, we can move the target around to stay always under the mouse pointer"
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Also, just taking a look around @ sites like securityfocus.com &/or secunia.com will show you, easily mind you, that the majority of attacks out there today online? Javascript/Iframes/plugins driven... & for the past 3-4 yrs. or more, no less.
Turning off Javascript/IFrames/Plugins keeps you safe(r) vs. THIS attack, & countless others (that aren't only on 'bad site pages' but, even in adbanners the past few years now as well).
APK
P.S.=> I had it right here, 2 weeks ago, in regards to the EXACT PLUGIN (Adobe Flash) USED, first off... when news of this FIRST surfaced:
Alarm Raised For "Clickjacking" Browser Exploit:
& Secondly?
Well - for more than a year now (& for years beforehand no less), I had been advising folks on 1 of the link URL's I posted there in that URL above (over 27 computer tech forums worldwide) to turn off javascript/iframes/plugins on sites you do NOT "need" to have them running on, for FULL functionality - this way, you stay safe(r) by far...
(Leave javascript on, for instance, for sites that require data access on say, online banking &/or shopping-commerce websites - BUT, THESE ONLY (to minimize the attack surface upon YOUR system, basically))...
That way, you're safe, regardless of the browser used (OR, even the OS used, since Javascript's DOM is the same & it is present even on *NIX variants - the only reason Windows is SO often targetted is twofold, imo - First, it has the majority of users (mostly less technically inclined than say, *NIX heads are), & Secondly, it presents the largest target to attack, thus, the highest "ROI" really)... apk
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Re:Linux does it right
Actually OSX had a security vulnerability that did exactly that.
http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/395107/2005-04-03/2005-04-09/0
application just waited until user ran sudo, then it was able to elevate itself.
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I was correct, per SecurityFocus.com & Secunia
Looks like I was correct in my "guess" here, in the post I did here two weeks ago (where I indicated stopping plugins, specifically ADOBE FLASH PLAYER), which was the reply I just replied to in THIS followup posting:
http://secunia.com/advisories/32163/
SALIENT QUOTE:
"A vulnerability has been reported in Adobe Flash Player, which can be exploited by malicious people to bypass certain security restrictions and disclose potentially sensitive information. The vulnerability is caused due to a design error and can be exploited to e.g. gain access to the system's camera and microphone by tricking the user into clicking Flash Player access control dialogs disguised as normal graphical elements. The vulnerability is reported in version 9.0.124.0. Other versions may also be affected. Solution: The vendor recommends disabling Flash Player camera and microphone interactions"
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It also appears that I was also correct in my "guess" here, in the post I did here two weeks ago, about stopping JavaScript also (despite the init. newspost here saying "javascript is not part of it" etc. et al):
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11534/2
SALIENT QUOTE:
"JavaScript increases the effectiveness of this attacks hugely, because it ensures that user will click our target no matter where he points -- that is, we can move the target around to stay always under the mouse pointer"
(A note to the news submitters here & the editors: Learn about this stuff, before stating things that are outright incorrect (such as the init. newspost stating turning off javascript would not help vs. this new threat... without understanding this stuff thoroughly, first? You'll end up eating your words...)
APK
P.S.=> I've been telling folks to 'crank those off' (plugins &/or IFrames, as well as javascript (if you do NOT absolutely NEED IT, for proper page functionality (such as on online banking &/or shopping sites))), here, for more than a year now:
HOW TO SECURE Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 & even VISTA, plus, make it "fun-to-do", via CIS Tool Guidance (& beyond):
AND, as you can see? IT JUST WORKS (even vs. the "latest/greatest" security threats/hacks/vulnerabilities? Common-sense usually does work)... apk
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I was correct, per SecurityFocus.com & Secunia
Looks like I was correct in my "guess" here, in the post I did here two weeks ago (where I indicated stopping plugins, specifically ADOBE FLASH PLAYER), which was the reply I just replied to in THIS followup posting:
http://secunia.com/advisories/32163/
SALIENT QUOTE:
"A vulnerability has been reported in Adobe Flash Player, which can be exploited by malicious people to bypass certain security restrictions and disclose potentially sensitive information. The vulnerability is caused due to a design error and can be exploited to e.g. gain access to the system's camera and microphone by tricking the user into clicking Flash Player access control dialogs disguised as normal graphical elements. The vulnerability is reported in version 9.0.124.0. Other versions may also be affected. Solution: The vendor recommends disabling Flash Player camera and microphone interactions"
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It also appears that I was also correct in my "guess" here, in the post I did here two weeks ago, about stopping JavaScript also (despite the init. newspost here saying "javascript is not part of it" etc. et al):
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11534/2
SALIENT QUOTE:
"JavaScript increases the effectiveness of this attacks hugely, because it ensures that user will click our target no matter where he points -- that is, we can move the target around to stay always under the mouse pointer,"
APK
P.S.=> I've been telling folks to 'crank those off' (plugins &/or IFrames, as well as javascript (if you do NOT absolutely NEED IT, for proper page functionality (such as on online banking &/or shopping sites))), here, for more than a year now:
HOW TO SECURE Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 & even VISTA, plus, make it "fun-to-do", via CIS Tool Guidance (& beyond):
AND, as you can see? IT JUST WORKS (even vs. the "latest/greatest" security threats/hacks/vulnerabilities: Common-sense usually does work)... apk
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Re:Bullshit? Not b.s. -IFrames & Plugins + JSc
Looks like I was correct in my "guess" here, in the post I did here two weeks ago (where I indicated stopping plugins, specifically ADOBE FLASH PLAYER):
http://secunia.com/advisories/32163/
SALIENT QUOTE:
"A vulnerability has been reported in Adobe Flash Player, which can be exploited by malicious people to bypass certain security restrictions and disclose potentially sensitive information. The vulnerability is caused due to a design error and can be exploited to e.g. gain access to the system's camera and microphone by tricking the user into clicking Flash Player access control dialogs disguised as normal graphical elements. The vulnerability is reported in version 9.0.124.0. Other versions may also be affected. [b]Solution: The vendor recommends disabling Flash Player camera and microphone interactions[/b]"
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It also appears that I was also correct in my "guess" here, in the post I did here two weeks ago, about stopping JavaScript also (despite the init. newspost here saying "javascript is not part of it" etc. et al):
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11534/2
SALIENT QUOTE:
"JavaScript increases the effectiveness of this attacks hugely, because it ensures that user will click our target no matter where he points -- that is, we can move the target around to stay always under the mouse pointer,"
APK
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Hardest part is getting the money
The trojan and encryption could be written by any reasonably savvy malware author, but I guess laundering the money you receive would require a certain level of criminal knowledge.
The money goes into an e-gold or Liberty Reserve account, presumably one that has been stolen from a legitimate user, and from there somehow it has to get into the hands of the perpetrator.
If the authorities could track the money after it gets into e-gold (they have tried before) they could get a handle on who is behind this.
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Re:LINUX has viruses, not as many, like usercounts
"The 2007 link is 4/1/2007, you moron." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 29, @03:37AM (#25191433)
A RESPECTED WEBSITE (AS REGARDS LINUX VIRUSES), in SECURITYFOCUS.COM, & their statements on this issue:
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/188
SALIENT QUOTE:
"There are about 60,000 viruses known for Windows, 40 or so for the Macintosh, about 5 for commercial Unix versions, and perhaps 40 for Linux"
I am correct, you are not, & are ranting like a frustrated spoiled child now on your part... hilarious!
APK
P.S.=> Reduced to "name calling" on your part I see, lol: That is about all you have, which is nothing... apk
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Re:LINUX has viruses, not as many, like usercounts
"Sorry, but how fucking retarded are you?" - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 28, @04:20PM (#25186783)
Ok, evidently? Not as "retarded" as yourself (it's either THAT on your end, or, you are just "loathe to admit it") so...
HERE IS A FAIRLY RESPECTED WEBSITE IN REGARDS TO LINUX VIRUSES, in SECURITYFOCUS.COM, & their statements on this issue:
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/188
SALIENT QUOTE:
"There are about 60,000 viruses known for Windows, 40 or so for the Macintosh, about 5 for commercial Unix versions, and perhaps 40 for Linux"
I guess because I can find something you do not like, & make you look quite assinine in the doing of it, I must be 'retarded', eh? I wonder who really is, now, @ ths point??
APK
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Re:LINUX has viruses, not as many, like usercounts
Untrue, see here:
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/188
SALIENT QUOTE:
"There are about 60,000 viruses known for Windows, 40 or so for the Macintosh, about 5 for commercial Unix versions, and perhaps 40 for Linux"
There you go, & so much for your "refutation"...
APK
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Jay Echouafni - DDOS for $$$ and still at largeIs Saad (Jay) Echouafni the most infamous cyber fugitive who never saw the inside of a jail cell?
He made the FBI's Top 10 most wanted list and is still a FBI cyber fugitive probably living in his native Morocco now.
Starting in 2003 he paid for DDoS attacks on his online Satellite TV retailer competition. These DDoS attacks did collateral damage on the various hosting and CDNs providers that these competitors turned to for support. The costs were estimated to be as high as $2,000,000 by Attorney General John Ashcroft. The prosecutor for the case, assistant U.S. attorney Arif Alikhan, head of the Los Angeles computer crimes section, said: "I think it's the first case of its kind involving a DDoS for commercial advantage or for hire,
..."An update to older coverage. In 2005, criminal complaints against those techincally involved were dismissed
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Jay Echouafni - DDOS for $$$ and still at largeIs Saad (Jay) Echouafni the most infamous cyber fugitive who never saw the inside of a jail cell?
He made the FBI's Top 10 most wanted list and is still a FBI cyber fugitive probably living in his native Morocco now.
Starting in 2003 he paid for DDoS attacks on his online Satellite TV retailer competition. These DDoS attacks did collateral damage on the various hosting and CDNs providers that these competitors turned to for support. The costs were estimated to be as high as $2,000,000 by Attorney General John Ashcroft. The prosecutor for the case, assistant U.S. attorney Arif Alikhan, head of the Los Angeles computer crimes section, said: "I think it's the first case of its kind involving a DDoS for commercial advantage or for hire,
..."An update to older coverage. In 2005, criminal complaints against those techincally involved were dismissed
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Re:Antivirus software
Yes, they do use Windows on their ATMs.
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Seems there was a TV Show about those machines...
Seems there was a TV Show on the History channel or something like it, relating to the Bush Election and how those machines could be duped by stacking the data in favor of one candidate or the other, before voting could take place, but the city (might have been this one) went ahead and approved the purchase of the machines.
Here's an article about it from 2006:
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11391Even earlier - 2005:
http://www.wesh.com/news/5542983/detail.htmlHeck it was even posted and discussed on Slashdot:
http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/31/1646246Unfortunately, I can't find the TV show that I watched, where some City was presented evidence and went ahead anyway and purchased it.
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Re:Facebook, too?
Unfortunately yes and probably every other social networking site soon as well. http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/786?ref=rss
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Ignore This At Your Peril
OS Subversion:
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/33500/threaded#33500
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/34207/threaded#34207
Nancy's Story:
https://tagmeme.com/index.html
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/a/004257.html
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/a/cat_forensics
Search my name for more
/. post of this nature.(sticks and stones)
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Ignore This At Your Peril
OS Subversion:
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/33500/threaded#33500
http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/11372/34207/threaded#34207
Nancy's Story:
https://tagmeme.com/index.html
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/a/004257.html
https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/a/cat_forensics
Search my name for more
/. post of this nature.(sticks and stones)
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Re:Microsoft's wierd mania for virtual machines
Shared memory is very fast, easy to use, and very safe (as long as the programmer isn't an idiot).
The problem is that the programmers on either side of the interface can't be idiots. Or hostile. You probably don't want to talk to a secure database via shared memory.
Shared memory requires that both sides cooperate on locking. If one side doesn't obey the locking rules, the data can change while the other side is reading it. (There have been schemes where only one side at a time had write permission; I think Mach supported that. The idea was to speed up bulk interprocess communication by using the MMU, thereby eliminating a copy. In practice, the additional fooling around to eliminate the copy wasn't a big win over the copy.)
If there's linking and allocation within the shared memory, one side can screw up the other side. This happens. Search for "shared memory" and "bug".
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Re:Degradation of rights for nothing
Industrial Espionage is the U.S. Birth right
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Re:Won't ever happen
The grant is from the NSF, not the DoD which implies it is more scientific in nature.
Chuckle. I wish.
The friking NSF has been pouring tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars into research grants on Trusted Computing and related stuff to lock down.... oops I mean to secure... computers and the internet.
Here, take a look. That is a "Trusted Computing" search of currently active NSF research grants. I count over $36 million right there alone. Not to mention that it's likely some relevant projects slipped past that simple search, and not to mention the fact that NSF computer-related grants have been primarily directed to Trusted Computing for quite some years now.
Hell, if you do a search of NSF funding (not merely computer related funding but a search of ALL NSF funding) you get 152 documents found in 578 documents searched. That is more than 26% of ALL searched documents hitting on Trusted Computing. It seems that Trusted Computing is likely the #1 "science research" item on the NSF agenda.
Between the government initiative to secure the National Information Infrastructure against Terrorist Cyber Attack, and the influence of corporate interests, the NSF and other government agencies have become pipelines for pouring grotesque sums of money into developing and pushing Trusted Computing.
The things going on towards Trusted Computing stuff can sound like a bad conspiracy theory, but there is really nothing secret or theoretical about it. It's all publicly admitted. There are more than a hundred companies publicly members of the Trusted Computing group - pretty well every computer-related company you can name. The CPU manufacturers (Intel AMD Motorola), the BIOS makers (phoenix AMI), all the major players (Microsoft IBM Sun HP), motherboard makers, the major PC brands, the wireless and networking companies, harddrive makers, virtually every significant company in the computer industry.
And the public NSF grants for it, linked above. And the public Homeland Security effort and money for "securing" the internet, and other other US government agencies, and policy initiatives suggesting a requirement for all government computer purchases to be Trusted Computing compliant - and get this - I've seen these initiatives literally STATE one of the purposes of the requirement being to bootstrap the market for such computers - explicitly STATING the purpose of huge government purchases of Trusted Computers being to establish a large and secure market demand for them so that computer companies can/will invest in mass producing Trusted Computers, in order to establish the supply of Trusted compliant computers to the general public market. I think the military did in fact adopt a policy requiring their purchases to be Trusted Compliant, but I'd have to double check on that. Ahh, I just googled, yes I was right. U.S. Army requires trusted computing.
The European Union is perhaps even more gung-ho on it than the US. They have been having all sorts of EU conferences on creating a new Information Society and securing the internet to enable that new Information Society. A google on EU "Information Society" "trusted computing" gets 18,800 hits. 23,400 hits if you search for EU "information society" DRM. There are countless published documents from these EU Information Society projects stating and detailing their desire and efforts to lock down computers and lock down the internet, for law enforcement reasons and copyright/commerce reasons a
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Re:Another victim of C/C++ lack of array safety
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Re:Stop Playing Their Game
That's one option. The other is to make a new account, make friends with him, get his MSN address, get his real address and send him a razor letter, trash his car or beat him up.
Being an asshole on the internet does have it's consequences
For example, in soviet russia, spam dispatches you!
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Re:Harm?
I still don't see the harm that Gates brought to the computing industry with Microsoft.
It's partly technical partly political. Under a closed system, no matter who wrote it, you have no control of what the system does. If they put a backdoor to let the government sneak in you can't disable it. If you put personal or sensitive data in your system you should be allowed to know exactly where they go.
A note before the argument is dismissed as conspiracy theory: there are proof of closed source phoning home and exchanging encrypted data.
I'm not writing that Microsoft products are spying on you, but if they do you can't know.
Here's an interesting read for those who don't believe these things can exist and still don't understand why we're pushing for open source adoption.They brought a unification to the desktop and IT that simply didn't exist before
This is partly true. Before they standardized on the current interface, there already was Apple with their terrible but functional one-button interface many people used, there were Acorn, Amiga, Atari and IBM systems which were much more functional than the old then available Win 3.1 interface.
Microsoft standardized the interface after reaching their monopoly status. This slowed the adoption of a better interface rather than speeding it up (others already had a better one, MS had to develop it).and pushed for standards that made it easier.
Again, true in part. It's surely much easier when office workers know they can open every document. But what's the price for sticking with closed formats that allow the company behind them to force you to upgrade when it's not needed, or lose compatibility? Short answer: you lose money.
A well trained instructor team hired to teach your company how to use open standards and convert them using open source software will cost much less than the pile of licenses you have to buy every 4 or 5 years.And even now there are still problems with all of this. Look at the browser market. Even if IE were not involved, you still have the problem that Firefox, Opera, and Safari render pages differently.
True, but have you noticed that almost all pages that render differently are pages written for IE?
What if IE followed the standards? There are standards, but IE doesn't follow them and some people still insist on using Microsoft products to build web sites, which of course doesn't help because even those tools don't follow worldwide accepted guidelines and standards. When IE will follow the standards Open Source developers won't have to waste their time finding ways to make better browsers behave badly in order to emulate IE.Either way, Microsoft tried to reduce this as much as possible. And they succeeded.
And now we have virii, trojans, malware, adware in toolbar form, frauds, etc. and the whole Internet has become a giant mall where everything is for sale.
Sometimes we should accept that if a tool is too complicate to use, maybe it should be used by someone who knows it. (ie, read the fine manual or hire some expert).
You don't let drive someone without a driving license, because you can't undo the death of someone in case of accident, but like it or not, nowadays computers contain personal files, digital money, sensible information. You can destroy someone's life even by misusing a computer. The main damage Microsoft did was telling the world that everyone could use a computer, which is utterly false, but they had to push hardware and bundled software sales, so they kept telling that lie. -
Re:YawnAs far as I can see, the only reason Macs haven't suffered from trojans and viruses so far is that the user base is not interested in writing them and that the really evil malware writers know nothing about OS X. This can change any day.
Here is a little anecdote to illustrate how serious Apple takes security: It took them almost two years to fix a bug in OS X 10.3 that would allow an attacker to extract the password of a file vault account from the swap file. The bug was fixed in a paid upgrade to 10.4 and all they came up with was encrypted swap, which is not the best solution. Why didn't they lock the memory to prevent it from being swapped in the first place?
Since this incident, I personally believe that they intentionally leave security holes open.
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Re:Publicity is key
Nah. It's just that a detected rootkit is worthless, that's all. If anything, they might have gotten some suggestions from Blizzard (or someone else, it's not like this is the only
... creative application for the "free" rootkit) to drop it or get some angry letters from their legal department. -
vulnerability
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Re:Cut off fingers?
Great. So now somebody has an incentive to cut off my fingers.
Fortunately there are less painful techniques.
Basically the hacker "lifts" your fingerprint and copies it onto latex/gummi/clay. Or just hacks the device-driver. -
Re:Move to MacOS -- worms are obsolete here
Erm, actually, OSX has been found to be vulnerable to TONS of things, why else the 30 and 40 patch packs released all at once
:)
Remote vulnerabilities such as this: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/29514 would say well, maybe MacOSX IS vulnerable to such types of malware (they only need to cause buffer overflows or exploit remote code vulnerabilities and you can get nailed just like any other OS that is coded by humans).
The question is: Are Macs with their puny marketshare, worth the bother of hacking?
Answer: Some people/groups are starting to show interest in this, yes. But on the whole, no, they aren't worth the bother. Mainly this interest has grown since Apple swapped over to x86 architecture. I find that interesting.
I think the bigger thing to sit and think about is this: No software written, and no hardware designed by humans will ever be perfect. There will always be a weakness somewhere in the system. Deal with it the best you can, like everyone else, and stop spouting stupid nonsense about an invulnerable OS. -
Inflammatory Windows Nuclear Plant Worm
I have to wonder if you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds: a document that (and we're speculating even here, but I'll give it to you for the moment) can maybe only be opened correctly with Office is equivalent to (for example) certifying a standard for nuclear plant safety that could kill millions of people.
I'm not trying to be inflammatory, but seriously, listen to yourself for a minute.
Oh, FSM preserve us!
You're not referring to one of the Windows ONLY worms that crashed multiple nuclear plants are you? You have to be some anti-Microsoft troll to be bringing that (2003) ancient history up again.
Dude, if you're a Microsoft astroturfer you should make sure you pick up your personal effects on the way out today.
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x86 processor + Windows + Internet Explorer = ..
"Hey Adobe: Try Using Stack Canaries! (Score:5, Informative)"
How about building a stack that isn't vulnerable to stack exploits. And no - don't say it isn't possible. It just means the current batch of 'innovators' aren't able to manage it. So to summerise: x86 processor + Windows + Internet Explorer = the current fucked up security situation .. -
what about the designers of the OS ?
"This isn't the first or the last time Flash will have vulnerabilities discovered"
Do the designers of the OS bare any responcibility? What kind of a design allows remote code execution on a malformed media file? And this one happened by accident, does that mean that there are dozens of exploits out there waiting to be utilized by the criminal fraternity.