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Its not an 'argument'. Its a question of the scientific method. Of which the conditions have not been met in any way in which a valid conclusion can be drawn. It can be called a "theory' based on the available evidence, but it can not be called a proved conclusion. Its not my 'opinion' that the laws of physics work a certain way, its observable fact.

Is it incorrect to believe that the 3mm of hot fusion crust was being cooled by the cold interior _and_ by any surrounding water?
Yes. It is known as 'specific heat of a material'. Go to your freezer, pull out an ice cube, and put a blow torch on it. Immediately after taking off the torch, drop the ice cube in your hand. Is it hot? Its the same principle, on a larger scale.

I do not think you are stupid, as you are obviously aware of at least some of the laws of physics, one being boyle's law which you quote as a possible explanation. I am also not puting forth an argument, and it can not therefore be termed 'dubious'. What I am doing is stating the simple fact that without any EVIDENCE, one cannot make a claim of anything being 'proven'.

Also, the witness accounts said nothing about the water 'boiling away' at the time of impact. They CLEARLY state the the water appeared to be boiling for 10 MINUTES after the locals came over to inspect the 'crater'. Other details don't add up, they said - such as witness accounts of water in the muddy crater boiling for 10 minutes from the heat. Had the heat been a result of Boyle's Law, the heat dissapation would have occured fully at the moment of impact, and quickly returned to an equilibrium, as the specific heat of the surrounding muddy land is MUCH higher than the surrounding air it was exposed to. But not for a period of up to 10 minutes AFTER observers even arrived.

I will state again, in time it may be proven to be a meteorite. That time however, is not now. Basically, there is as much evidence to support this being a hyperdimensional wormhole, as there is for it to be a meteorite. So until ALL the evidence comes in, speculation on meteors, spaceships, satellites, wormholes, mud volcanoes, and sinkholes are all just as valid. They are also all theories, not proven by the evidence so far gathered. I would highly doubt you would be as accepting if the theory was a crashed alien spaceship, but there is just as much evidence to support that claim as there is to claim it was a meteorite.

Larger copy found here.

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/

The law, proposed by Minister of the Interior Nicolas Sarkozy, is intended to clamp down on a wide range of public order offenses. [...]

The broad drafting of the law so as to criminalize the activities of citizen journalists unrelated to the perpetrators of violent acts is no accident [...]

The government has also proposed a certification system for Web sites, blog hosters, mobile-phone operators and Internet service providers, identifying them as government-approved sources of information if they adhere to certain rules. [...]

-FL

Agreed... this has absolutely nothing to do with porn; it is about creating the ability to covertly identify, track and harass leakers who blow the whistle on corruption in government (and in the big corporations who fund political campaigns). [Remember the "Pentagon Papers"?] Of COURSE he is lying, because if he told the truth, not even the neo-Republicans would let the Bush regime get away with this. In contrast, Ashcroft was a self-deluded fool who really wanted to believe that it was necessary to shred the constitution in order to fight the "bad guys." Gonzales is just a weasel who has never even been under the ILLUSION that he was doing anything good. This guy actually ENJOYS spouting the most outrageously insulting lies he can dream up, and he is constantly smirking & snickering about it, just like Bush. Part of the reason these people think they are so funny is that power is like a drug to them* -- as Kissinger put it: "the ultimate aphrodisiac." They relish the idea that, because they are in power, you have no choice but to listen to them. The other part is, they just can't believe that people are still falling for this shit (or that the news media still pretends like you should take them seriously). Like most neo-Republicans, Ashcroft was just an idiotic pseudo-patriot who honestly wanted to believe most of the lies he was told to repeat. Gonzales is just pure evil; a psychopathic mafia lizard who openly mocks truth and justice. This time around, the people who pull Bush's strings just wanted to be damned sure that he hired somebody with absolutely no chance of developing a conscience.
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        *Now we come at last to the heart of darkness. Now we know, from their own words, that the Bush Regime is a cult -- a cult whose god is Power, whose adherents believe that they alone control reality, that indeed they create the world anew with each act of their iron will. And the goal of this will -- undergirded by the cult's supreme virtues of war, fury and blind faith -- is likewise openly declared: "Empire." You think this is an exaggeration? Then heed the words of the White House itself: a "senior adviser" to the president, who, as The New York Times reports, explained the cult to author Ron Suskind in the heady pre-war days of 2002. First, the top Bush insider mocked the journalist and all those "in what we call the reality-based community," i.e., people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." Suskind's attempt to defend the principles of reason and enlightenment cut no ice with the Bush-man:

                "That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality," he said. "And while you're studying that reality, we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors--and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/signs20041 031.htm

-FL

Read this in New Scientist over the weekend. Link here (but you need to be a subscriber)
http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg1892541 1.100
Very interesting article, with several possible explanations.

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/friendly/signs _20060302_friendly.html

It is indeed very interesting.

-FL

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just wondering where your facts are coming from.

I don't really adhere to a particular school of thought. I think it is a good idea to go to many different sources when trying to learn. Different perspectives are required and allow you to cross-examine, which is essential when it comes to the New Age world, (which is literally swimming in nonsense).

I've been piecing things together from many different sources/experiences for several years now, testing and using basic logic to cancel out the falsehoods. So far I've got a fairly workable picture, albeit, with many blank spots.

Among my sources are three different channeling experiments which purported to communicate with various ethereal sources with access to a much broader range of knowledge than is generally available to Joe Public, and which were each well documented. These include, The Evergreens, (which claim to be a group of up to 3000 individuals who lived varied lives in this world and are now dead and spend time communicating through a fellow in BC, Canada.) The Pleadians, a group claiming to be alien intelligences channeling through a woman named Barbara Marciniak. Her 'valid' material is largely summed up in a book called, Bringers of the Dawn --Which is rather kitsch around the edges, but passed my various bullshit tests rather well. --And the third is from a source which is not quite so easy to get hold of; a series of communications with a similar group calling themselves the 'Cassiopeans', via a group channel led by a fascinating woman named, Laura Knight. --Whose little group manages an otherwise very solid news-reserver rather like slashdot for socio-politics which is kept at arm's length from their New Age beginnings.

Then there's Science from the Fringes, including a book I just recently dug out for a reference on Stem Cell research, Robert O. Becker's Book, Cross Currents. This one deals with aspects of electricity and magnetism and it's affects on the human brain and nervous system. It is solid stuff from a real scientist, and it serves to verify numerous small elements from the other sources. Another key book is one written by a fellow named, Richard Dolan. His book, UFOs and the National Security State is a watershed work, it examines the history of UFOs from the forties up to the seventies. (The Amazon reviews do this book justice, I think).

Carlos Castaneda provided an excellent series of books which introduce an interesting perspective on the spirit world and the use of energy. Good for people trying to get a grasp of all this, but a rather morbid approach with several built-in problems I later discovered while talking with a powerful Shaman.

Astrology, when thoroughly properly examined, is a good demonstration for how things are not as they are claimed to be by the conventional sciences. There's a lot of nonsense in this arena, so it requires a bit of earnest searching before you find the 'good' stuff and begin to see how it all works. (Essentially, small systems are not necessarily influenced by large systems, but are mirrored. Consider that one part of a graphic created using fractal mathematics replicates on b

Actually, smoking has never been proven to kill anybody (through 1st or 2nd hand smoke). Scientists have been trying to prove it for years, but they have only been able to prove the opposite.

Here is some interesting info on smoking:
Aliens Don't Like to Eat People That Smoke!

Dom

I was feeling that exhilirating whoosh of wind going through your stomach and out your back that you get when you are flying downwards in a roller coaster. Another poster said it, I miss being surprisable.

But on the other hand now it is easy to understand why people in other countries talk about a decaying American empire.

At first reading the thread I thought "Well, maybe if you are thieving the Bad Guys then you are a hero". Then I revised that, and imagined a post saying "The world will be saved by a keylogger built into tetris (or minesweeper, or solitaire) that you keep on the screen all the time".

But now I think it has come full circle and I think I "get it".

This is the government the American people asked for. The system is built so that the guy with the biggest moneybags wins the election, and when you go about as far as you can go up the slope with that metaphor, you get a demagogue like George Bush.

(I never met him, but I just don't trust his smile, even if he is sincere sometimes and playing a ruthless game like lots of politicians. Nothing against republicans or even rich guys, or Bush personally, he's very successful in terms of surviving and winning evolutionarily speaking, but it just seems like a bad example.)

Flash back to 2003, when the "Signs of the Times" were clear.

You see, with Bush at the top and people he likes set up around him, with "team players" rewarded regardless of merit, this general nudge-nudge wink-wink cronyism idea must percolate down the ranks progressively. Their staff hires people according to the same concept. You can read more:

"This is Bush's America, the Peter Principle writ large: not so much an avoidance as a hatred of competence -- a culture and a national economy of meritopathy..." quoted from skimble in 2003. Search google for "Peter Principle" and "cronyism".

I think this is where the tire hits the road, so to speak, and anyone who cares about reality is roadkill. The reality seems to be that there is no defense against funded jihadists or bioweapons, and the purpose of gaining power is to make tons of money and dish out tasty PR. This is the government the American people wanted.

The voting majority currently is a bit more numerous than those who think like typical slashdot posters. Whether they have been fooled, fooled themselves, just love the best looking smile, or honestly think they need a guy who goes for the jugular regardless of what it may cost (I think this last one is a biggie in post-9/11), this is how the dice fell and the system has been well engineered to be frictionless for whomever is currently in power.

I'm not sure it will be easy to fix although conceivably this could be a cyclic thing, but it is just as likely that the buck will stop here, Asian economies will stop buying U.S. debt, China and India will get richer, and the general U.S. populace will wait like mute cows to be fed more pap whether it is by the corporate media machine directed by their own elected representatives or the one purchased by those to whom they sold out. I keep imagining good old American can-do will win out when nanotech really takes off but you know what? Other countries learn real fast and the only thing going for the U.S. is a relatively good-sized population.. more Nobel laureates and Olympic medals that way. But my stomach is telling me the roller coaster is still accelerating.