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U.S. Plan To Fight The Internet Revealed
geniese writes "The BBC is reporting on a recently declassified document that details the U.S. Military's intentions regarding warfare and the Internet." From the article: "Perhaps the most startling aspect of the roadmap is its acknowledgement that information put out as part of the military's psychological operations, or Psyops, is finding its way onto the computer and television screens of ordinary Americans. 'Information intended for foreign audiences, including public diplomacy and Psyops, is increasingly consumed by our domestic audience,' it reads."
It could have been a JE
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
"Strategy should be based on the premise that the Department [of Defense] will 'fight the net' as it would an enemy weapons system," it reads.
Who cares? Honestly, it's not like you can just "target the Internet" to only those people you want. That's what makes it such a powerful medium, in a way.
-Erwos
Plausible conjecture should not be misrepresented as proof positive.
"Information intended for foreign audiences, including public diplomacy and Psyops, is increasingly consumed by our domestic audience," it reads.
"Psyops messages will often be replayed by the news media for much larger audiences, including the American public," it goes on.
American "propaganda" intended for foreign audiences and re-reported in the US should provide a nice balance for the anti-American slant found in most foreign journalism.
This is like the old dropping the leaflets out of the planes with the "Surrender or you will be attacked" in different languages. Still, during the current conflict the US has been found to have been paying newspapers to print positive stories about the war to influence public opinion - but with more and more ppl getting news from the internet spreading it there makes sense too. I don't like it though, think about it, we're fighting for "Iraqi's freedom" yet we shortcircut their right to freedom of the press? I know that's probably not a popular opinion around here, but wouldn't it be nice if we could rely on positive stories that no one was forced to write? Perhaps I'm being nieve.
Of course I'm also reminded of, "You have no chance to survive make your time. Ha Ha Ha Ha" which makes me smile.
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CNN had until 2000 played host to members of Psyops who helped in the presentation of news for the U.S. Public. This has been characterized as a training program for Psyops and no more. While it is unclear whether they actually directed CNN to report the news in one way or another. Their role in "packaging" the news is. As such it represents a long history of such biasing work. See articles here and here.
And, in a grand finale, the document recommends that the United States should seek the ability to "provide maximum control of the entire electromagnetic spectrum".
Why go through all the fuss of briefing journalists, thought manipulation and the destruction of networks when all they really need to do is just hire Magneto.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance Is Strength
Golstaff: I cast a spell.
Cheeto: Where's the Mountain Dew?
DM: In the fridge, duh!
Golstaff: I wanna cast a spell!
Cheeto: Can I have a Mountain Dew?
DM: Yes, you can have a Mountain Dew, just go get it.
Golstaff: I can cast any of these, right? On the list?
DM: Yes, any, any of the first level ones.
Cheeto: I'm gonna get a soda; anyone want one? Hey, Graham, I'm not in the room, right?
DM: What room?
Golstaff: I wanna cast...Magic Missile.
Cheeto: The room where he's casting all these spells from.
DM: He hasn't cast anything yet.
Golstaff: I am though, if you'd listen. I'm casting...Magic Missile.
DM: Why are casting Magic Missile? There's nothing to attack here.
Golstaff: I...I'm attacking the Internet!
[[[laughter from Cheeto and DM]]]
DM: Fine, fine, you attack the Internet. There's a router in front of you.
I for one welcome our electromagnetic spectrum disrupting overlords. And I might add that if they need anyone to spred propaganda to the american public, I am a highly qualified liar.
My government can beat up your Internet.
Game... blouses.
Nothing new. From the propaganda side, we've been doing this type of stuff for years - Voice of America, for radio, etc... This is just a new medium. From the disruption of service side, we've also been doing this for years, most recently we debated weather to knock down Al Jazeera.
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1. We spew propaganda worldwide and are surprised that it's being picked up by American media outlets, and ;) ;)
2. We don't know what to do about this situation.
Oh, and 3. We'd love to build a system that would let us completely dominate everything operating in the electromagnetic realm. In fact, we're working on plans.
The definition of word "propaganda" is information that the user of the word does not like, and would like to see censored.
Whether or not information (facts, arguments, opinions) is "propaganda" or not depends on whether or not you like it.
The US government announces the launch of Operation Screaming Fist.
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The "Free" people of the United States are misinformed and manipulated by their governement and its military.
Q: Well what's new ?
A: Nothing for most of the other "free" peoples.
malheureusement la stupidité n'est ni curable, ni mortelle.
I love that picture of him in the article. Chancellor Palpatine anyone?
This makes more sense if you replace "every telephone" etc. with "specific devices in order to accomplish tactical objectives," and append "knock out" with "manipulate" or "eavesdrop upon."
Which is not to say that it's necessarily a good thing...but it's probably not even likely to happen. The US military establishment spends a lot of time talking about doing things like this, but rarely actually takes the proper steps to accomplish its goals.
So that explains all the back-door fundings from the MPAA and RIAA to our government officials.
And I was the only that though current media SUCKED!
Life is not for the lazy.
And build a Dyson Sphere.
KFG
Why is this even news? Military propoganda is as old as military history. It is, or should be, a very important component of any successful military strategy. And if the US military wasn't doing that, then they weren't doing their jobs (for which we taxpayers are paying them to do).
Really, the only thing which is interesting is that the US national media seem to be picking up military propoganda more and more as it's distributed abroad, and then repackaging and redistributing it to the US market. So that's a sign that either the propoganda is very successful, or that the US media is rather poor on fact checking. Of course the media rebroadcast military propoganda quite a bit back in the World Wars, but I think it was common knowledge that it was being done. Today, the media does a very poor job of informing the public where or how it obtains its information.
That they are "targeting" the net should not be surprising either. It is their jobs to plan how to counter-attack any possible attack of the enemy. And frankly this should include what to do if the enemy manages to infiltrate the Internet as we know it. This planning should not be misinterpreted as thinking the US military wants to take down the Internet. Instead they want to be prepared if the enemy takes it down, or takes it over.
Take that Internet!
...regarding the propaganda:
The document's authors acknowledge that American news media should not unwittingly broadcast military propaganda. "Specific boundaries should be established," they write.
It's not quite like the summary seems to imply.
However, in the original document (graciously provided by the BBC), the section reads like this:
Now, the BBC read that section as meaning that this system intends to be able to disrupt systems on a global scale, but I read it as wanting to disrupt systems that are emerging around the globe (i.e., be "compatible" with said systems in disrupting them).
We have plans on how to invade and conquer Canada. The Military has battle plans for every single contingency. That is how they work.
Truth be told, I would be worried if they *didn't* have plans for the Internet.
Governments worldwide need to spread propaganda. Canada did it to fight the seperatist movement, the US did it to fight the war in Iraq, and look at China/Russia.
What better place to wage a propaganda war than Wikipedia. Yeah fine, mod me as flamebait to conceal the truth of the matter, but everyone knows Wikipedia's content is trusted by millions of people. I don't see why it wouldn't become a major battleground in information warfare.
I single out wikipedia because of its importance yet ease of use for editing its content. Most countries can manipulate that information and probably already do. Only SOME countries would have the resources and will power to go further and manipulate real encylopedias and other "fact checked" sources of information.
I'm god, but it's a bit of a drag really...
Is it me, or does the BBC article not actually say anything about what will happen?
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I can't believe the perfect picture they have for this story of Rumsfeld! It's like he's in the middle of saying, "All your base..."
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"Seriously, what is wrong with you all??"
It's the neo-cons. Always in fear of something.
Reminds me of this:
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headline: U.S. Plan To Fight The Internet Revealed
always mosh clockwise
For a long time I had dismissed the idea of the military-industrial complex as being a mythology of overly paranoid conspiracy theorists. I don't any more. The more I learn about the Psyops program makes me wonder what else they're right about. Maybe there really is no such thing as enough paranoia when it comes to the government.
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When the government manufacturers its own news you know something is really wrong with the truth. The path to a fascist state is shorter in the US than most people thinks. Mostly because i suspect not that many really understand what fascism is.
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Perhaps something that amplifies the bad effects of propaganda is that our media for the past 7 years stopped doing any investigation and just parrots whatever the White House puts out as its message. If you doubt this, look no further than embedded reporters, whose symbiotic relationship with US soldiers presented the illegal US aggression against Iraq from the US' viewpoint as a just and moral war (no other basis for the invasion ever existed.) Now whatever the Government states, the media accepts and promulgates, just like Iran, and the former USSR. Rather than serving as a check against the government, the news media has become an organ of it.
Anyone who's tracked the neocons currently in power know that this has been their goal for years. Their manifesto through the Project for the New American Century stated explicitly the internet and media as one of the theaters of engagement for asserting American dominance around the globe and at home. Sounds like something explicitly out of their document Rebuilding America's Defenses (http://www.newamericancentury.org/defensenational security.htm).
I'm not sure I understand. We live in a country in which the press went along with the President when he claimed that there was WMD when there was no WMD, when he claimed there was a nuclear threat when there was no nuclear threat, when he promoted a plan to increase pollution called the "The Clear Skies Initiative", and when he appointed lobbyists from major polluters to run key portions of the EPA. When the President, the Vice President, and the Attorney General all promoted torture, the press called it a patriotic act. How could anything possibly be more unpatriotic, more out of sync with the intentions of our founding fathers, than torture? When the President snoops on citizens in a clear and unequivocal violation of the law, the press goes along with his claims that he has a right to do so. And yet the only type of leader who would possibly have a right to do such a thing would be a dictator.
Given this situation the government feels it needs new outlets for propaganda? If nothing else, such programs would be an obvious waste of our tax dollars. American are subjected to enough propaganda as it is. If we want to send propaganda overseas, all we have to do is let them watch our major news outlets. After all, most Americans are already listening to either Rush Limbaugh or Fox News. What else could a right wing government that promotes torture, major polluters, and snooping on its citizens possibly want for its citizens and the citizens of other countries?
Better call in the US Army Corp of Engineers. Last I heard, the easiest way to take down a computer network, domestic or foriegn, was through the use of Earth moving equipment. "Accidentally" cutting the uplinks while working to repair the infrastructure, sounds like a great tactic to me!
-Patrick
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
It was a big disappointment. Not enough levels, and the story could have used more depth.
Graphics were ok tho.
- Randolph Bourn 1918
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Aha! Now we know why all those senseless postings on slashdot are there for! Government propaganda designed to confuse us!
...
Oh, wait! You don't think they're real
The document's authors acknowledge that American news media should not unwittingly broadcast military propaganda. "Specific boundaries should be established," they write.
Does this even make sense anymore? What about all the people who watch BBC news or Al-Jazerra on satelite TV / digital cable?
In this era of globalization, unless they totally block these channels (and international news websites like bbc.co.uk) out wholesale, it's kinda hard for the military to control all the information disseminated to the populace. Propeganda *is going to ge through*.
And if they *did* block them out, it'd be pretty obvious something was going on.
Need I say more!
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Though the headline makes it sound like the military considers the internet as an adversary, the description belies how the military fights using the internet and Info Warfare programs. There's a huge difference. With the former, it's easy to jump on the knee-jerk bandwagon and describe how stupid our government/military/Bushy/ChimpyMcHitlerstein is for wanting to fight against the internet. With the latter, it's a description of how the internet can be leveraged, and might lead to insightful discussions useful for anyone who wants to use the internet to further their agenda.
Really bad headline.
1) Create a new inter networking protocol to allow our many disparate computer systems to seamlessly share data across a unified "internetwork". Check.
2) Ensure that the networking protocol is robust enough to withstand forseeable battlefield attacks while still providing seamless data access. Check.
3) Share the technology with the world, knowing that we can disable that technology when we need --
NO! DON'T SHARE THE TECHNOLOGY UNTIL AFTER WE KNOW HOW TO DISABLE IT!! Damn! I knew we missed something!
Witness the fact that when we invaded Iraq, our first target (as always) was the Command and Control infrastructure. Sure, we were able to knock their radio, television and telephonic communications down, but we were never able to fully disable their internet, which was used against us in that instance.
Now we have to deal with excessive blowback from Psyops. I'd be happy to help - d'you suppose they'd give me one of those fancy Psi-badges and let me wear gloves like the other Psi-cops? Oh, wait . . . wrong reality.
because not everyone will get the reference
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I'm actually kinda surprised there's a wikipedia entry for it
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What anti-American slant?
Here is some numerical evidence the media is slanted against the U.S. in the Iraq war from: here
Friday, 21 January [2005] (Australian time) is an average day as far as Iraq is concerned. Google news indexes the following negative stories concerning Iraq:
2,642 stories about Condi Rice's confirmation hearings, in the context of grilling she has received over the Administration's Iraq policy
1,992 stories about suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks
887 stories about prisoner abuse by British soldiers
2,345 stories about President Bush's inauguration, in the context of the President failing to mention the word "Iraq" in his speech, or indeed discuss the war
216 stories about hostages currently being held in Iraq
761 stories reporting on activities and public statements of insurgents
357 stories about the anti-war movement and the dropping public support for involvement in Iraq
182 stories about American servicemen killed and wounded in operations
217 stories about concerns for fairness and validity of Iraqi election (low security, low turnout, etc.)
107 stories about civilian deaths in Iraq
123 stories noting Vice President Cheney's admission that he had underestimated the task of reconstruction
219 stories about possible military action against Iran
24 stories about tense relations with Syria
118 stories about complicated and strained relations between the US and Europe
121 stories discussing the possibility of American pullout
27 stories about sabotage of Iraqi oil infrastructure
660 stories about prosecutions in the Oil for Food scandal
Then we have 123 stories - ostensibly neutral - about details of current troop deployments and movements. I write "ostensibly" because among that number there are numerous stories about deserters or soldiers refusing orders.
Finally we come to positive news:
311 stories about voter registration for Iraqis overseas. Even here we have to be cautious as significant number of these stories comment on "disappointingly" low numbers registering.
16 stories about security successes in the fight against insurgents
7 stories about positive developments relating to elections
73 stories about the return to Iraq of stolen antiques.
If the media coverage was war, the good guys would be getting slaughtered.
"Scientists don't change their minds, they just die." -- Max Planck
Why is this even news? Military propoganda is as old as military history.
You have very high standards for news. Look at todays headlines. Can you find anything that hasn't happened before? Crimes, wars, elections, earthquakes, all of these things have happened many times before, and should by your standards not be reported.
Like carrots containing Beta-Carrotine that is good for the eyes and lets you see better? .... as done during WW2 as an attempt at covering up that radar was allowing for advanced notice of air raids by the Germans over Britain.
G.I.s eat carrots so can see planes coming farther.
What is shocking to the rest of us is when internal American propaganda - the stuff fed to the masses - leaks out to world.
:-)
Did you know that in the 1990's CNN WorldNews once went for 13 weeks without actually providing any news of events beyond the American border?
Did I say shocking? I meant - hilarious. Do Americans have any idea how parochial and limited their news is? No wonder 8 out of 10 adults in the States cant locate Australia on a map of the world.
People are the same wherever you go. Biologically we are all nearly clones. Must be Institutions and cultures that we surround ourslves with, then
Brain: "Pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?"
Pinky: "I think so Brain, but where can we find the car batteries that power the Internet to unplug them?
I would classify FOX as the most anti-American channel on the dial. Hate those who think the liberties guaranteed in the Constitution are important and who see a balance between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches as somethign worth preserving.
the major advances in civilization are processes which all but wreck the societies in which they occur - A.N. White
CNN ANCHOR SAYS WHAT WE ALL KNOW - THE 'NEWS' IS A GAME THAT DOESN'T WANT SUBSTANCE
... "Truth no longer matters in the context of politics and, sadly, in the context of cable news," said Aaron Brown, whose four-year period as anchor of CNN's NewsNight ended in November, when network executives gave his job to Anderson Cooper in a bid to push the show's ratings closer to front-runner Fox News. Brown said he tried to give viewers a balanced diet of light and serious news with NewsNight. "But I always knew when I got to the Brussels sprouts, I was on thin ice," he said."... ..."Many Americans on the left and the right aren't interested in the truth, but simply want news that confirms their viewpoints, he said. "You'd think that it's no more complex than good vs. evil," he said"...
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Under his real name (Paul Linebarger) he wrote "Psychological Warfare", one of the seminal books on the topic, back in the '50s. A very interesting read.
El Fuego
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What they have not perhaps thought fully is how this disinformation affects the local politicians and administration. Decision processes require good input, valid and solid information. If the people making the decisions get affected by psyops and other disinformation then also their decisions can get flawed very bad.
It's worrying in overall.
Yes, I know I'm just feeding him, but hey... he's a silly little man anyway. He need some fattening up. (It will let him fall behind the heard faster and get gobbled up by "the man".
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Probably the only thing Michael Moore was right about -- American culture is driven by fear.
I saw the picture and thought of Emperor Palpatine saying,
"If you will not be turned, then you will be DESTROYED!!!!"
(cue lightning)
Now, where's a designer with some M4D Photoshop skills when I need one?
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
What country DOESN'T have defense plans regarding their nations' network infrastructure? Elbonia?
See here how CNN sold biased coverage to Saddam in order to keep their newsmen in Baghdad.
Geez, I guess that's what passes for balanced "news" today.
Take bribes from both sides.
My ex wife used to call the history channel "the nazi channel" because of the endless number of shows about WWII germany, but that faded out in the late 90s. You didn't see so much modern-day flag-waving pro-war content until after 9-11. The odd thing is that the "neato war machine" shows are now being broadcast on both the history and military channels, whereas they used to be a lot more at home on the military channel.
Has anyone else noticed something of the sort?
I think the cable channels are not only being used to propagandize to those outside the country but also to steer/stir a kind of popular patriotism here at home. That it's being controlled by the pentagon now just makes it seem all the more reasonable.
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China is trying to block the internet with a great firewall...
The USA reveals a plan to influence media and brainwash their population...
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I think you underrate the significance of this. The NSA may or may not field interns to learn how telcos work. So long as they do not a) listen in on any calls, b) change any calls, and c) give bias in any way then this is different.
CNN is a news organization whose role is to disseminate fair and accurate news. As such their role as a neutral player means that they must or should present the news accurately and without bias. We the American Taxpayers turn to them to learn, among other things what it is our military is doing and how well they are doing it so that we may make informed decisions as voters.
They included, during wartime, people whose sole job is to present false or misleading information to support specific ends. Their specic role is to bolster public perception of the military in order to boost their ends. This is entirely orthagonal to the role of a news organization.
The U.S. Military is not, or should not be allowed to propagandize the American People. Restrictions were put in place following the revalations about lies that led to and sustained the Vietnam war (see the Pentagon Papers). Accurate information is necessary for democracy to function without it abuses of power cannot be recognized and checked. If the U.S. Military is lying to the American people then this represents a fundamental danger to our democracy and cannot be tolerated.
If CNN was biased or even gave the appearence of bias in any way then they have surrendered their status as an unbiased source of news. They cannot be trusted and should not.
But there really are civilians dying in Iraq, the Bush administration really did underestimate the task of rebuilding, American servicemen really are getting killed in operations there, there really is contemplated military action against Iran, there really was prisoner abuse, there really are hostages, there really are frequent suicide bombings. Etc. etc. ... These are all facts.
Are you suggesting that the media should suppress the facts? Leave out ugly truths and print only the happy truths?
If the truth hurts, don't blame the messenger.
Merely reporting facts doesn't indicate a bias. The question is HOW are those facts presented? Your "revealing" stats don't reveal that at all.
OK so you're suggesting that the media focuses too much on the negative stories. Let me let you in on something: This doesn't indicate bias, every single media outlet in the entire world focuses too heavily on negative, "sensationalist-value" stories. This has nothing to do with bias and everything to do with what sells. Happy stories just don't sell nearly as many papers.
When the government manufacturers its own news you know something is really wrong with the truth.
1. And what about when special interest groups, media conglomerates, and film makers manufacture news? Certainly the government is more dangerous, since they have the legal right to use deadly force, but I think that the other groups (in particular, film makers) are definately more effective since highly-edited, full-motion video with sound is the singlemost effective propaganda platform we humans have devised.
2. Are you talking about truth (as in "truth table") or "The TRUTH(TM)" (meaning the subjective view of reality that all humans have filtered through their own arbitrarily-chosen values)?
The path to a fascist state is shorter in the US than most people thinks. Mostly because i suspect not that many really understand what fascism is.
The problem with "fascism" is that it is always used in the sense of a value judgement. How about we use "totalitarianism" instead? Such a word could eaily encompass Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and even be used to describe some recent power grabs by recent US presidents. To me, it basically means that the government is going to tell me what to do as much as it can and threaten the loss of life, liberty, and property if I don't comply.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
Perhaps something that amplifies the bad effects of propaganda is that our media for the past 7 years stopped doing any investigation and just parrots whatever the White House puts out as its message.
Whereas others will point out the fact that the New York Times heralded the Abu Graib prison scandal on its front page far more than they needed to and saw that as evidential of the "mainstream media" being united against the White House in specific and America in general.
I think the truth lies somewhere in between your "completely complicit" view and others' "completely treasonous" view. Then again, my view is probably just as much a value judgement as those other two. In other words: we see what we want to see.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
Some of the reactions here remind me of a particualar Noam Chomsky quote, "State propaganda, when supported by the educated classes and when no deviation is permitted from it, can have a big effect". I can't decide which is more troubling, the idea of the U.S. military having their finger on the power button, or the mundane apathy expressed in some of these posts. I suppose if we allowed history alone to dictate our moral responsibilites, we would have had no reason to banish slavery, allow women to vote, etc. So maybe you see why I don't really understand the "what's new about this/no big deal" quibbliing, perhaps you don't really understand the concept of democracy. It is primarily by your lack of outrage ("you" being the privaledged techocratic elite) that such things can progress, if you really want to look at the historical record.
After all, it might be a sophisticated piece of disinformation.
"We live in a country in which the press went along with the President when he claimed that there was WMD when there was no WMD"
The current President said this. The past President and Vice President said this. The leaders of major countries (France, etc) said this. The UN reports said this. Do you know why? [B]Because it was true[/B]. The presence and use of WMD by Saddam Hussein is well documented. The UN inspectors kept finding violating WMD materials (and violations of the cease fire by Iraqis blocking inspections) all the way up until the large-scale US invasion 3 years ago.
To believe the lie that there were no WMD, we must believe all of the following:
1) the extensive WMD program from the late 1980s in Iraq (including the huge stockpiles seen all through the 1990s) mysteriously and 100% vanished into thin air.
2) the violating WMD materials discovered in Iraq all the way up through 2002 and early 2003 don't count at all.
3) Saddam Hussein blocked inspections of his WMD factories for no reason at all.
4) Several major, competing, and entirely different intelligence agencies were all wrong when they all independently verified the fact of the presence of WMD programs in Iraq.
5) Saddam's a nice guy and wouldn't do any of this.
The press went along because it independently knew it was true. The biggest lie about WMD is that there were not any.
You are getting sleepy... sleepy...
Given the increasing reliance on the net for so many purposes, I wonder if indiscriminately knocking out networks would not be a war crime, just as indiscriminate attacks against civilians and civilian installations are?
for his hat. Better line those walls and windows too. In fact, put some on your glasses as you read this or....too late. I have gained control of you. Now, I AM YOUR KING. GET ME A SODA!
Jay: What the f*** is the Internet?
Holden: The Internet is a communication tool used the world over where people can come together to bitch about movies and share pornography with one another.
Hey, is that picture of Rumsfeld or Emperor Palpatine?
so they send in snake plisken and he sets it off 'cause they infected him with the plutoxin-7 virus right?
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Thank you.
The BBC is also a psy-ops tool, so this article has a purpose and a design beyond telling the truth. --Because one of THE most important targets of a psyops war is your own population. It is essential to control the thinking of the masses if you want to keep those tax dollars flowing and your heads of state off the gallows.
-FL
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Did you read the parent? It was making a distinction between American Media and Non-American, Western Media.
Your "numerical evidence" makes absolutely no distinction between the two types, and therefore neither confirms nor disconfirms the parent's statements.
oi
There is nothing new or newsworthy here.
Propaganda has been around as long as language, and as long as we try to communicate, there will be propaganda.
That's why "spin doctors" that are good at it are always in big demand.
Nuthin to see here.
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The alternative is state-run religious content
I don't think that's the only alternative.
A network that treats the release of a new Bin Laden tape like some sort of surprise Super Bowl isn't entirely helping matters. They certainly don't want to chase away their Arab viewership, but calling every Palestinian that blows up a bus a "martyr" only makes matters worse, not better. So what if they host talk shows that provide equal access to all flavors of idealogy in the Arab world? Not all flavors are rational or would even tolerate Al Jazeera's existence on soil they would rule, given the chance. I'm all for allowing idiots to air their opinions, the better to examine their idiocy, but the celebration (through endless airplay loops, followed by masked readings of last words by the killers) of things like suicide attacks on children and police cadets is absurd, and can't be construed as "liberal" nor helping secularism.
That Al Jazeera is, by local cultural standards, independent-minded and "edgy" in their editorial policies does not make them supportive of those people that are actually striving to produce states in which freedom of expression is built into the constitution. Making heros out of people that wantonly and indiscriminantly kill the people working on such is BS. They can and should do better, if they truly want their Arab brothers and sisters to enjoy the independence and relative liberty that they, in their sponsored coziness in Qatar, already have.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Quote: "So that's a sign that either the propoganda is very successful, or that the US media is rather poor on fact checking." Propaganda is the dissemination of your viewpoint, like advertising and doesn't necessarilly mean it's false or untrue. See the wiki article on propaganda
Even the BBC article is wrong in military parlance. It states "When it describes plans for electronic warfare, or EW, the document takes on an extraordinary tone. It seems to see the internet as being equivalent to an enemy weapons system." Electronic warfare is a mode of warfare in the electromagnetic spectrum not the Internet. And even when it states "The slogan "fight the net" appears several times throughout the roadmap." probably refers to the military concept of netwar. Which is a mode of warfare where social and ideological networks attack other social/ideological networks, military technology plays only a minor part.
You are kidding right? The US is about living a good life peacefully and set an example as some kind of peaceful utopia??? We came here as a result of the birth of the market economy and capitalism. Then, we took this land, violently, as our own. We then fought a war to become our own country so we could pursue further riches. Since then we have gone to war roughly every ten years since that time. So, where in our constitution, other writings, or our actions have you decided that this is what the US is supposed to be about?
This country started with the idea of being able to pursue your own dreams and desires to become more than what you were born with.
Now, as to the subject of our military and the use of propoganda, this is a necessary tool in order to do their job. You and others are complaining about something that every country in the world participates in. The only difference is, as in most other areas of our military, we out perform them. Have you ever been to the DMZ in Korea and listened to the stuff that is spewed out over loud speakers from North Korea?
This is a part of war, and in an effort to "inform America" our media is taking this propoganda and reporting it. Whether they report it out of stupidity or greed (ratings = money) are not the point. The fact is it gets reported. Now, what do you want our military to do when this happens. Should they come out and publicly say "Whoops, our bad. That wasn't intended for you at home, but the media got wind of it and reported it. That is just propoganda. Our real war plans are much different. In fact, here's what we are going to do to the enemy...." Let our soldiers fight the war they are in and use the already acceptable tools and weapons that everyone else uses to get the job done and come home victorious and safe. There will be plenty of time afterwards to get the facts straight and hold our military leaders and those in government responsible for leaking propoganda or whatever to our citizens. Although, I wish we would be as diligent at holding our media responsible for what they report and how they determine fact and fiction before sending it out to us as fact.
Do what is right and let the consequence follow
I am terribly disappointed the government levies taxes in order to fund, among other nefarious things, invasion plans for Canada! That is sickening.
Truth be told, I am worried they *do* have plans for the Internet. It is indicative, as is your complacency, of the plutocratic imperialism that ruined/s this nation.
I'm glad I finally woke up from the lies. "God help the rest of you."
Isn't this document still classified as NOFORN? No Foreign Nationals? How did the Brits get it? I suppose the improper dissemination of this doc just proves the point, eh? ;-)
Um, how exactly are we doing this? From what I've read, here on Slashdot and elsewhere, we've merely added some editorials to their newspapers that are helpful to the Pentagon's agenda - be it to misinform the insurgents, to deter terrorists, or to give hope / good news to the Iraqi populace. Whether or not this is right is another argument, but how does this affect the freedom of the Iraqi press?
That is, unless you define "free press" as having an absence of government oversight / regulation / authority, in which case the US laws on libel / slander might be of interest to you.
project management software. fight the internet? and I'm wearing a tinfoil hat? the future is NOT televised.
if I claimed I was emperor just because some watery tart lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!
Canada does not have nuclear subs, powered or armed.
We have four desiel-electric subs bought from UK cold war surplus that are of questionable serviceability.
There are plenty of bad things happening, no one has said there arent. What the parent poster was pointing out is that there are many more good thing happening and it all goes virtually unreported. You may blame it on sensationalism, the parent may blame it on bias, but either way, we as the American public, as the news agencies' consumers, are not being given the full and accurate picture of what happens in Iraq. If you want good news, often you have to go to the Soldiers , or the iraqis themselves.
"In the game of life, someone always has to lose. To me, if life were fair, that someone would always be Oklahoma." -DKR
Sorry kid, according to this file you're not a hacker, you're a freelance net-merc. You appear be in posession of a tempest-safe laptop, OpenBSD, and munitions grade crypto hardware.
If you want my opinion, you better become a Patriot, or you may end up as Fed ass pussy.
Sig-Int is always looking for a few good men. Think it over.
Propaganda? Here? Surely you jest.
'Information intended for foreign audiences, including public diplomacy and Psyops, is increasingly consumed by our domestic audience,' Like our Congress.... 1. To authorize the POTUS to use force in Vietnam etc., based on known "defective" Gulf of Tonkin "incident" 2. To authorize the POTUS to use force on Iraq based on known to be "defective" information on WMD and in near future... 3. To authorize the POTUS to use force in Iran based on known to be "defective" information on U enrichment for nuclear weapons. Any one else see the echo chamber effect boomeranging on us?
"That's the biggest bunch of brainwashed bullshit I've ever heard"
Show how just one of the facts I laid out about the WMD is not true. The tiny-minded often do scream that someone is "brainwashed" when presented with facts that crumble their world view.
If you think that real and tragic historic facts are "bullshit", perhaps someone should tape you to a chair, pry your eyelids open (like Clockwork Orange), and make you watch all the film, photos, and lists of names of real victims of Saddam's WMD programs for hours on end. Or maybe we should make you go to a Kurdish hangout and let you repeat there that claims of WMD use in Kurdistan is all "bullshit". I bet you might be the kind of guy to go to a AME church and tell the blacks. "Know what? Slavery never happened!"
You probably have no idea what you ever talk about, ever. That explains the low 1 default mod score that usually would be 2 if you said things that were halfway reasonable.
"So Genius, WHERE ARE THEY?? "
It took many months to find Saddam Hussein, even with a lot of resources devoted to it. They eventually did, because he had to "come up for air" and interact with his henchman. WMD don't need to come up for air; they are a lot easier to hide. The question, for you, is not "where are they". Instead, you should be thinking about "they were there before, obviously. Where did they end up?"
I sure hope you are not old enough to vote. Stupidity like yours should have as little impact on society as possible.
as being a very powerful medium. It's only natural for governments around the world to catch up, and realize that the power of information, and communicating information is important.
DARPA and ARPANET are good examples internet creation and usage that many still aren't aware of. But, with information becoming increasingly available, it's only natural to expect an increase in propaganda coming from government controlled news organizations, like the BBC.
The Sphinx: Your temper is very quick, my friend. But until you learn to master your rage...
Mr. Furious: Your rage will become your master? That's what you were going to say. Right? Right?
We want to be like merry old England I guess. Cheers
We will create an race of SUPER-MEN.
Courtesy Bela Lugosi in "Ed Wood".
The copper bosses killed you, Joe. 'I never died', said he.
Using the internet to disperse what you want people to see and read is one thing. But if you observe any recent internet mapping project, a coordinated attack at maybe 10-15 key hub locations would disable the internet completely. At least for a while.
I'm sure the US, and others, have thought about such plans and may even have some operations already underway. No, I'm not a crack head victim of paranoia.
Yeah, yeah, I know, redundancy, switching, alternate routing, blah blah blah.
If enough key routing facilities were to go away instantly, and by that I mean major traffic handling sites, all the Cisco quality and features on the face of the planet wouldn't be able to cope. Switching facilities all over the globe would start pounding eachother to find routes that should be there but no longer are.
That equals instant outages because instead of conveniently finding massive fibre channles to talk with they only get low speed lines or no lines at all.
That equals large network bandwidth saturation in the blink of an eye. Even if an outage were to last for just a couple of days, losses would quickly be in the billions if not trillions of dollars.
A major contributor to such an oversaturation during a loss of major switching sites would be, of course, you and me. We don't want talking heads on the network news feeding us the same lines over and over and over every 5 minutes. So we all jump on our keyboards trying to get the latest and greatest updates about what's going on. This only compounds the problem of major carriers trying to recover from a major outage.
I mean... there might have been a justification for these plans, back in the cold war days when the US had an enemy that could anahilate the US. But now? Terrorism? Get real... Osama and friends are only capably of killing a few thousand of you. How many Americans got killed in the Vietnam war? How many Amercans get killed in crime each year? How many of you are killed in car crashes each year? Right: you yourself are far better at killing Americans than your comtemporary "enemies" are.
The trouble with you Fine Americans is that your collective ego needs an enemy. You need an enemy to feel superior. Thank god there's Osama.. at least he can be spun into an enemy with at least a touch of credibilty. What would the USA be without him? Answer: nothing. Boy your collective ego would suffer.
Fighting for Iraqi freedom is not even a legitimate function of our military. The only thing our military is supposed to be doing, is protecting the USA. USA's security interest, in the end, is the only thing that matters. This isn't cynicism; it's the mission statement and the sole justification for our tax dollars and soldier's lives being spent in Iraq. Iraq isn't the 51st state of the union.
Now, if you believe the Bushies (and to some extent, they have a point -- just don't ask yourself what Islamic fundamentalist voters may decide to vote for), spreading "freedom and democracy" happens to further the end of increasing USA's security. The catch is, the necessary amount and flavor of this "freedom and democracy" for pursuing this goal, happens to be somewhat different than our own ideals of what freedom and democracy are about. Injecting pro-USA propaganda is perfectly compatible with this goal. It doesn't matter that Soviet-style propaganda is unwelcome at home and offends most Americans' sensibilities, because "at home" isn't what we're talking about.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
The Internet does not belong to any one nation. We must not let the Internet become the next television.
Reject Internet control everywhere it tries to exist, otherwise they'll win the moment you look the other way.
A nit:
It wasn't so long ago in the US that newspapers and radio were radically and obviously partisan (W R Hearst anyone? How about Rupert Murdoch?).
Papers were partisan then. Papers are still partisan. Papers were partisan centuries ago. Papers have been partisan since there were papers.
The constitutional mandate for a free press was installed by a group that included (at least) one publisher of a very partisan paper.
The benefit of a free press is that ANY partisin viewpoint can get published, rather than ONLY those that agree with the partisan position of a limited number of powerful people.
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As you point out, a free press isn't shortcircuited by buying placement for a story. (That actually increases it, both by getting another viewpoint out and supporting the publishers operation, reducing the risk it will fold.)
What WOULD shortcircuit the free press would be to pay (or intimidate) publishers to NOT run a competing story - or do it to enough of them that the story gets suppressed.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
And so begins the war on the wired world. They are only interested in tracking us like animals. They see everyone who opposes them as deviants. It is time everyone start storming the castle for a change and tell these invaders of privacy and robbers of natural and technological freedoms: "WE ARE NOT TERRORISTS!"
Our government talks about "homeland-security" and "protection from terrorists". THE GOVERNMENT IS THE TERRORISTS! (like you haven't heard that a million times.) They want to be secure from thought, from deviance, from any form of change what-so-ever that disturbs the control of power! The government is out of control. They found a loophole in Check$ and balance$. It's time we put the status-quo back in their place!
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it!
The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
"the fact that the UN inspectors couldn't actually find any WMD before the war was such big news"
It wasn't a fact, and it wasn't news (why report something made up?). Look at the Blix report on February, 2003 (just before the US large-scale retaliation). It details Iraq's grudgingly allowing destruction of its recently discovered WMD components (a delivery system), along with other very recently discoveries of WMD and inspection violations. You have probably never read the report (or if you had, you are just lying when you say that there was no WMD before the US retaliation. I would not put it past you, you like to misrepresent things).
to protest America's planned, but unprovoked, invasion of Iraq."
Unprovoked? Saddam's forces targetted and fired on US and UK peacekeepers hundreds of times. One of these alone is a provocation. Is that all?
Unprovoked? Saddam was a major world terrorist leader. He was actively funding terrorist efforts which had killed Americans had promised to kill more. He was harboring and supporting major terrorist groups and leaders.
Unprovoked? He was violating many other provisions of the cease-fire as well. Saddam and his terrorist regime were basically ignoring the very easy to comply with, very reasonable requirements of the cease fire.
Your blatant lying about his aggression puts you in the category of the "Saddam was a nice guy" liars. I sure hope you don't vote, either: such ill will combined with ignorance can cause harm.
Thanks for the meandering, bumbling Rummy quotes. Pointless, really. Why not instead look to the more eloquent quotes from Clinton, Kerry, and others as they truthfully describe the threat of Iraq's ongoing WMD efforts?
"It wasn't just a few people who had doubts"
So, there were a lot of people who knew nothing of what was going on. Perhaps if they had shut up and done some research, instead of telling the world how dumb they were with their "March for Saddam and for Islamofascism".
"doubtful world that had already taken to the streets in record numbers to protest"
Only a tiny fraction "took to the streets" to voice their loud support of Saddam's regine and of terrorism. The protesters knew nothing of what was going on, and their intentions were very bad. The protesters were largely organized by groups like ANSWER, which is neo-Stalinist and strongly antisemitic. Wise people ignored the tiny minority of marching, braying morons led by antisemites.. If these morons had marched into the ocean like lemmings, the IQ and the kindness of the country would have risen some. As for you, don't vote. You might hurt someone.
I don't expect any sort of meaningful response that refers to the facts. In all liklihood, you will throw a hissy-fit about "neocons" or other imaginary demons.
Internet wins
White House administrator appears on television singing "Mr. Roboto"
Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto, domo...domo
Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto, domo...domo
Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto, domo...domo
I'm Kilroy, gosh darn it. -- President Bush
If Big Brother SAYS so, anyway...
I've seen more than one 'news' story that was written with a slant that made no sense in the context of the other news I had read that day... the same regurgitated wire crap... but slanted differently than the standard polarized crap we call news.
I try to read enough different viewpoints to make sense of the original story, somewhere in the middle, rather than the right and left slants of the mainstream news outlets.
Occasionally, I'll see one that is directed in such a way to make me think, "Why bend it in THAT direction?".
Guess it's time to invest in tinfoil...lol
Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3009082.stm
c le/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html - from August 2005. Only 1500 GALLONS of chemical weapons located. Gee, those don't count as WMDs either, do they?
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BBC talks about us finally locating most of the 1.8 TONS of yellow cake, and 500 tons of URANIUM. Yeah, those don't count as WMD materials, do they...
Or wait: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti
Or how about this: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/25/iraq.ma
Or this: http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=1873019&na
That's just a start...
WMDs were there, they're being found. If you want to be an osterich and claim "NO WMDS FOUND!" go ahead. Those who actually use their own brains and eyes to see the truth will see you for the fool you are...
No, but American counterculture sure seems to thrive on it. You damned well don't see people on the right making phony claims that they are "frightened" of the left. Even reactionaries sounding bullshit alarms about gay comspiracies, immigration, culture war, etc. have the dignity to put it in terms of a call to action rather than to put on that tired act.
Bite your lip and pretend to be worried. Shake your head sadly. Say "I don't like where this country is headed," and offer up a maze of unrelated anecdotes - some true, some speculative, some shamelessly false. If you sense your victim knows nothing about the Patriot Act, focus on that. Try and slip in the word "cronies" if you can. Paint the same political leaders as both hapless puppets and diabolical supervillains. Predict doom as subtly as you must in order to bully your mark into feeling silly about any optimism he may harbor.
Now here's the fun part! Accuse HIM of trying to frighten YOU. No doubt this is exactly what he intended. When those of us who feel good about US foreign policy and terrorism policy argue that al-Qaeda doesn't stand a chance, Iraq will turn out alright, Iran & North Korea will back down, and everything is otherwise coming up roses - isn't it obvious indeed that our motive is to terrify you?
I mean, how else do you expect us to win the support of such sophisticated, free-thinking people for our genocidal oil war?
Oh wait, *you're* not afraid of American policy, you mean a bunch of other people are. People you've talked to and such. Good of you to wring your hands for them.
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r0\/eR: Yo Don!
Ru/V\/V\13: wazzup K-man?
r0\/eR: Well, jes doin sum thinkin...
Ru/V\/V\13: i dropped the biggest log with corn a while ago
Ru/V\/V\13: it splashed my ass when it hit the water! lol
r0\/eR: This is muy serioso. top secret stuff.
Ru/V\/V\13: ok (putting serious hat on) hit me
r0\/eR: Well, Americans are becoming aware that everything we tell them through the "free" <grin> press is a load of horse hockey.
Ru/V\/V\13: dont say hockey. thats a bad word. say shit. lol
r0\/eR: Monday Im gonna propose sumthing to the big man. What we do is have Aljazeera or BBC release a story that americans arent really the targets of all the propaGanja. That we are just trying to protect them from the "bad people" and that winning a war on terrorism is more important than sumthing as abstract as the truth.
Ru/V\/V\13: or the bill of rights. the consitution is just a piece a paper. paper covers rock but gun shoots paper.
r0\/eR: Well, I knew you'd understand but how do I pitch it to geebee?
Ru/V\/V\13: use smaller words. and call it sumpin like... operation gospeltruth. he ll go for it jus cuz a the name.
r0\/eR: Sweet!
Ru/V\/V\13: d00d!
r0\/eR: Sweet!
Ru/V\/V\13: d00d! rotfl
r0\/eR: LOL
Ru/V\/V\13: u want me 2 have c0nD33 get on it 4 monday?
r0\/eR: Probly should... (ok serious hats off!) Get on what? You know you'd do her.
Ru/V\/V\13: doubble bagger. case 1 fell off.
r0\/eR: LOL!!!
Ru/V\/V\13: rotfl
r0\/eR: cu monday @ staff
Ru/V\/V\13: l8r
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Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
From the article:
"The US military seeks the capability to knock out every telephone, every networked computer, every radar system on the planet."
While i appreciate the leaders of our country protecting Americans, seeking the capability to knock out every telephone, every networked computer, every radar system on the planet is quite extreme and can only be compared to nuclear warfare. Because while the destruction worldwide may not be as quick as nuclear warfare, the destruction worldwide will be quite as total nonetheless.
Exactly where do they think this type of esclation is going to get us? When news of this spreads world wide, even our friends may get concerned and build aliances with bad guys because they have become afraid of our power.
From the article:
"The fact that the "Information Operations Roadmap" is approved by the Secretary of Defense suggests that these plans are taken very seriously indeed in the Pentagon."
Frightning.
This has been another valuable and informative opinion from:
Catahoula!
Worth taking a look at the moderation for this comment:
http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1753This is from a letter sent to penny-arcade.com
We received the following from a young man who we will call "Mr. Smith."
(CW)TB
Hey guys,
I interviewed for a guerilla marketing business in San Francisco that targeted web forums.
I was told that if I accepted the job, I was to have at LEAST 50 identities on as many forums as I could muster (they wanted 100 eventually), with a goal of 5 posts an hour. The posts had to be well thought out, and the idea was that I was to establish multiple identities with a history on the forums, so that when the timing was right a well written but subtly placed marketing post could be finessed in. And regular visitors would recognize the post as coming from a long time poster.
They had 12 people working there full time, and were hiring 10 more. You do the math. No wait, I'll do it for you: that's 880 posts a day (if minimum was met). However he said the better ones could do around 8 or 10 an hour. And they had different "verticals" so there was the sports guy, and the games guy, the hentai, excuse me I mean anime guy, etc.
But the most critical point was this: develop and integrate the identity. No random "HEY EB GAMES IS AWESOME BUY THIS" stuff.
Kinda spooky.
Didn't take the job. It was a fucking mill.
Should I just blame the Bush administration or should I, INSTEAD, blame the "poor American citizens" that let themselves be fooled into ignoring the horrific things America does?
I mean, dictator type guys are among the population of every country. Why is it that they are stopped by most European countries but aren't stopped by U.S.-ians?
On the other hand, maybe my opinion on U.S. slashdotters shouldn't be that bad. Maybe the consensus against opression is stronger than it looks. Maybe it just LOOKS like people are closing their eyes on this forum because a lot of the bad posts are from a "Guerilla Marketing" mill.
Who knows, we'll see how it goes. It's your fight, not mine.
- -- Truth addict for life.
There is so much bull shit floating around from everybuddy that no one, or agency, has any idea what to truely believe.
My friend, I've worked in Iraqi media, and let me tell you something important. "Independent" means not supported by the government. That's it. They may be supported by al-Qaeda, the Communist Party, the local church, the US Military, the local arms smugglers, or by anyone who wants PR only an "independent" source can provide. This is how things work out in the real world, outside the bubble Westerners live in. Having seen the other side, the bubble of limited corruption and news dictated by advertising dollars is certainly better than the world of new dictated at gunpoint and by bribery.
Propaganda seeks to persuade without logical appeal, typically by stirring up strong emotions. If you have never read an Arabic newspaper, you would not realize that it is all propaganda. Flowery language, poetic dramatization, and hyperbole are the highest lingustic arts in the culture. Logic, argumentation, and fact checking are far less important than in the Western journalistic tradition.
Ha. Calling it a democracy, doesn't make it one. Every slave in american capitalism, is just as much a slave as every slave in Rome was. The difference is that the slaves in Rome were treated much better. I don't consider a choice between two of the same political ideologies, a democratic election. The difference between the USA and a facist nation that sensors its people is that the USA brain washes its people rather than sensoring them. It's a much more intellegent way to run a facist nation like the USA. If the USA encounters a massive uprising of protests, such as the student protests in China, rather than shoot people, the government just dumps free drugs on them, like they did during Vietnam. I'm not sure which is better. Personally, I'd rather be shot, than watch my whole community turn into useless, mindless, drones. Honestly, I don't know what the american public would do with their time if they didn't have the music industry, television, and the internet to plug into. They might all just have to grow community gardens and build houses for the poor to keep themselves entertained .... "Oh my gosh! What a concept!". People move to the USA because they have dreams of becoming rich and free to do as they please, but these dreams are only they ways capitalism keeps society in its repitious cycle of slavery, and every citizen eventually dies from lost hopes and depression. Their own damn stupidity I suppose. The whole US economy is fueled by consumer stupidity. It's people digging themselves into a depressing hole.
I will believe that the USA is democratic, when it becomes easy for anyone to start any kind of political party and run for presidency, when every political party is bared from using funds donated to them and forced to only publicize themselves during publicly moderated and scheduled debates, and when it becomes illegal for the government to promote its decisions to the public, using public funds!
I don't know how anyone from the USA could call down a foreign government, when the US government is clearly the most corrupt government in the world. And I'm an american citizen!
1948. Paul "Cordwainer Smith" Linebarger. "Psychological Warfare".
I dare you to read it and then watch the news, and not continually come to the conclusion that you're being "handled".
Of COURSE you think your government doesn't engage in this sort of stuff at home. They MAKE you think that. The book tells you how to do that.
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
It is supposed to be illegal for Voice of America, as a federally-funded military psyops tool, targetting American citizens...yet somehow, I can browse the VOA website.
Any program relying on (nontrivial) preemptive multithreading will be buggy.
because you somehow worded this obvious troll in such away that no one is knocking your karma down...even though I KNOW you are trolling...or are an idiot. I am jealous, though. I can never troll and get away with it. I am more dummy than even you. But you...you have the touch (I wanna believe a fuck touch, too). You know, you are also a sticked high stud for using a nick and not being an AC. Or do you just have yourself a nick exclusively for trolling, you cock stud you? GO evolution! It rocks my tiny beta nuts! Alpha, I love you! Wait! I'm the alpha! I just stretched your slimy asshole with my meat plug! Weird! What a dream!
I can't believe that I took the time to read through your links.
Th first one talks about how they believe that 1.8 tonnes of yellow cake was thought to have gone missing - note the speculation. It hasn't turned up since then has it and the article is almost three years old.
The 1500 gallons of chemical weapons are in fact pre-cursors to chemical weapons - many chemicals are precursors to chemical weapons, my old chemistry department would be full of some generic chemicals that could be considered chemical weapon pre-cursors such as organic solvents, e.g. benzine.
For the CNN story see the response to the Washington Post story - the only thing to add is that it appears to be a far smaller "cache" of possible pre-cursors to potential chemical weapons.
The last story - this was later shown to be at least a decade old and probably dated from the Iran Iraq war. I don't think one degraded shell counts as WMD.
If that is the best evidence you can find it really shows how the PsyOps guys in the other story posted today have got to you, your friends and any other idiot that believes that George W. Bush is fighting a righteous war against WMD.
I'm sure propaganda put together by a group with the deep understanding of other cultures exhibited by the US military, under the direction of a political leadership that has shown an equally deep understanding of other cultures, as the natural outgrowth of a nation whose deep understanding and affinity for other other cultures is reknowned, will be particularly effective.
Oh, whoops, we're talking about the USA here...
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
Has given you away. Only one skilled in the art would even know how to string such words together...
It is your personal duty to fight for what is right on a daily basis. Ignoring injustice is identical to approving
You damned well don't see people on the right making phony claims that they are "frightened" of the left.
No, they usually don't state it directly, rather, they tend to call those on the left side of the political spectrum 'socialist' and 'commie', thereby directly implying that those people are a danger of American society. It is a matter of wording, but it really comes down to the same thing.
You missed that? then look better, it happens all the time.
I really didn't understand much of this article. ^^;;
And frankly this should include what to do if the enemy manages to infiltrate the Internet as we know it.
I don't think that means what you think it does.
Trust the Corps.
'Once scientists, even the dim-witted social scientists, get muzzled, the Western Civilization is finished.' - oldhack
1. Hack cinese government website
2. Post a torrent with p0rn movies/warez/mp3s
3. ???
4. Victoly
You could look for a worse model I suppose, but why repeat our mistakes so slavishly?
The USA truly is Victorian Britain 2.0.
Bullshit. I guess you didn't hear about that whole Hutton Inquiry dealie. Or that whole "impartial by law" thing. Or the Ofcom codes which slap down partial broadcasters.
The idea of the BBC being propaganda is utterly ludicrous.
By summer it was all gone...now shesmovedon. --
"However the UN inspectors went on record before the invasion of Iraq stating that they believed that virtually all WMD had been destroyed as was required by the UN"
The cease-fire agreements required that ALL WMD be destroyed (not "virtually all"), and it was supposed to have happened many years ago. There is a difference between all and virtually all. In the last Hans Blix report before the large-scale retaliation by the allies in March 2003, Blix details that inspections were still being blocked, and he even descrised an outlawed WMD system that, in February 2003, was only partially demolished.
"Many people, from many backgrounds marched [for Saddam] - including Jews"
There are some "self-hating Jews". Why else would they march to support Saddam and his stated goal of exterminating Jews? You are the one who does not have a handle on reality. If you have Jews marching in support of a major terrorist leader who is working actively to exterminat Jews, how can it by anything other than an expression of antisemitism? (The same goes for the other hateful morons who "took to the streets" to express their love of genocide and war.)
"However, there is not, and never was, any evidence of Saddam Hussein collaborating with Al Queda"
Even you too, do not know the facts. There is plenty of evidence.
"Note that they have stopped claiming that link now."
They never claimed that Saddam organized 9-11. However, it is very true that Saddam supported Al Queda.
"On the anti-war marches - again you show your ignorance."
Only someone with ignorance would call them "anti-war". They marched in support of the status quo. This included Saddam's terrorist aggression against Israel. This included his attacks on peacekeepers. This included his slow war of genocide against the Kurds. This included his war against "regular Iraqis" by executing them in large numbers or denying them food and medicine. This was the "peace" they marched for. They weren't against war. They just wanted to keep the existing war going.
"Saddam was not a nice man,"
He certainly was nice in the eyes of those marchers.
"Nice to see how you fall back to the old neo-con arguments"
I mentioned earlier that someone would start to babble about mythical demons like "neo-cons" (which are actually very few in the Bush administration, and have never even set policy). If you deny that ANSWER is Stalinist/socialist, you know nothing about them. Do look into them, please.
In this episode of Russell Crowe's Fightin' Round the World...
The idea of the BBC being propaganda is utterly ludicrous.
Utterly effective, actually. It certainly worked on you with near perfect results.
For goodness sake! The people who populate those boards of inquiry you mention are just as much mind-controlled to believe the lies as anybody else. Or they are controlled on a higher level wherein they deliberately work to create a false impression of justice in order to keep the people distracted from the truth of the matter; that Television exists for the primary purpose of population mind-control.
Have you ever asked yourself why the U.K. has a few hundred thousand surveillance cameras dotted throughout its cities? Or why the U.K. has one of the lowest standards of living for such an advanced industrialized nation? Or why the U.K. is one of the closest actualizations of Orwell's 1984 among the Western/European countries?
Controlling populations is the key. Keeping them locked down, miserable, ill-informed and yet willing to put up with it because they believe that TV is True, that the state of things is simply the way it is, and that nothing can be done to change it. Television lies. That's its job; to make you happy with your cage, to stop you from questioning. --And, of course, to make you knee-jerk with an automatic emotional response when somebody else does question the state of things.
Honestly. Only those who have been completely fooled would trust a television news program. Do you also believe that terrorists placed those bombs around London and that the British secret services didn't have a deliberate hand in perpetrating that debacle in order to keep the people frightened and fooled into supporting the government's enormously profitable war in the Middle East? --Profitable, that is, for military industrialist share-holders and their lapdogs in parliament. The public which pays for it all, however, gets to be taxed into oblivion.
So of COURSE they're going to own and use the media to make sure you stay mis-informed and proud of it. There's a LOT of money and power at stake.
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Certainly not the insurgency in Iraq! They had plenty of warnings to take deep cover when the bogus reasons for invasion were shopped arround.
Blar.
It's spelled PSYOP (all caps) and there are multiple audiences for any message. Operators are trained to take into account all potential audiences and the potential impact of any messages reception by those audiences. At least that's the way the military teaches it.
It's amazing how Brits and Europeans can do terrible shit for thousands of years, and then damn us after taking a 50-100 year break.
Kettle, this is Pot. You're black, over.
"And now we're being told that our military is being stretched too thin...anyone feel a draft? "
If you feel a draft, ask major Democrat leaders like Charlie Rangel. They are the ones who keep trying to push for one, against GOP objections.
No, this is the perfect picture.
Yeah? This is just Good cop, Bad cop. Guess what? They're all cops.
The people who have been hired to fool you are working with 50 years and billions of dollars in collective research into human psychology. The CIA claimed, after WWII, to have 'owned' all the major news and media outlets, that the information people were getting was all colored and tempered by them. The U.K. bears little difference in how its secret services manage its populations.
If people don't believe that their media is squeaky clean, then they will stop listening to the media. It pays, then, to stage these little events so that people are satisfied with the purity of their news source of choice.
Here's a recent example of the BBC acting as little more than a government mouthpiece, (and not even the British government). . .
As for the rest of your post, what the fuck are you on about? That has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
If you want to know what 'the fuck' I was on about, try re-reading the post. Seems simple enough. If you can't see the relevance to the subject at hand, you might try reading with your eyes open.
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You are correct. It is socialism that is all about "might makes right", and the further empowerment of the ruling class. It is nakedly clear when the socialists raise taxes, and annex the private property of citizens to become the personal property of the leaders (a process called "nationalization").
They claim to be doing it to "help the poor", but this is the oldest scam of the book. They are doing it to help themselves. They just say it is to "help the poor" as part of a largely successful effort to deceptively sell the big swindle. The bureacrats you refer to are in it for themselves, not to better society. Whenever cuts to department budgets come along, the bureacrats decide to pass the cuts down to the poor who receive services. They cut their own overly-excessive taxpayer compensation last, if at all.
"We aren't trying to conquer evil we are trying to steal oil"
You will have to do some more research if you think your phone claim is true. If the US had wanted to steal oil (instead of stopping an aggressive fascist dictator: the REAL goal), it would have gone about everything a lot differently.
The US retaliation against Iraq has as much to do with staling/taking oil as D-Day had to do with getting a hold of Germany chocolate and cuckoo-clocks.