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More interestingly, you can really see that the new key markets strategy the Spread Firefox campaign has kicked off is really paying off.

with their overwhelming majority of users, that puts them at 5 people?

I really wish this was true, but StatCounter's numbers seem a bit dodgy, with big swings in market share for no apparent reason. Example: http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-na-daily-20090307-20090506 NetApplications number are more stable; yesterdays market share for all IE versions was 63.47%, which is still a drop, but less dramatic.

More interestingly, you can really see that the new key markets strategy the Spread Firefox campaign has kicked off is really paying off.

Doesn't Microsoft feel a need to push WMV? being slow to adopt HTML5 is not in their best interest. Favoring Silverlight and ignoring HTML5 will comeback to haunt them. For all we know Silverlight might end up a failure!
Plus according to at least one report, IE is becoming less significant.
http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-US-monthly-200807-200907 *
*Stats are US-centeric.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_browser-ww-daily-20080701-20090703

shows Opera in the Number 1 position - which isn't even listed on your link, which makes it suspicious. Moreover, no browser is in a dominant position.

(Since when would most used matter, anyway? By that reasoning, we should all be using and doing what IE does...)

"Newsflash: not all open srouce stuff is any good, and while open source may be a good religion, to follow it blindly in defiance to facts doesn't do anybody any good."

Newsflash: WebKit is the basis for the browser in the iPhone and for Safari among others, the iPhone and its browser are quite successful so all indications are it is a first rate, competitive application. It just happens to be free and open source too which serves to make it even more compelling versus competing closed source, proprietary solutions. Opera seems to be doing fine with its browser in the smart phone with a 25% share and iPhone with 22%, but those stats don't count iTouch, and if you addin in the other new smart phones using WebKit now I'm guessing it is the #1 mobile browser now. I think Nokia, Apple, Palm and Google are opting for WebKit and that is a big chunk of the leading edge smart phone market. Blackberry seems to be one of the few laggards switching to WebKit though I see a few hits in Google suggesting they are adopting it in at least some instances too? Apple, Google and Nokia also contribute pretty substantial resources, and presumably professional engineers, to developing WebKit.

Also, even if your claims were correct, why would Opera be in trouble? They are setting profit records all the time even during these economic downtimes. The user base is growing quickly as well. They probably have something like 100 million users for all their products.

The summary makes it sound like Opera is making a last ditch effort to stay relevant, which is clearly not the case. Opera has always been in a dominant position in mobile browser marketshare.

Source

Gee, that's odd, your source doesn't even put IEMobile up there. I guess no one's using it. Also, when I switch your source to United States only, Opera disappears. I am so sick and tired of people linking to that site and treating it like it's the authority on worldwide usage of everything when it's clearly got statistical data issues that don't make sense.

The summary makes it sound like Opera is making a last ditch effort to stay relevant, which is clearly not the case. Opera has always been in a dominant position in mobile browser marketshare.

Source

Gee, that's odd, your source doesn't even put IEMobile up there. I guess no one's using it. Also, when I switch your source to United States only, Opera disappears. I am so sick and tired of people linking to that site and treating it like it's the authority on worldwide usage of everything when it's clearly got statistical data issues that don't make sense.

Opera has always been in a dominant position in mobile browser marketshare.

An interesting claim - got a citation?
 
The one you provide shows it roughly tied with the Iphone and Nokia not far behind. It certainly does not show Opera as anything resembling 'dominant'. The bar graph version makes that even more starkly clear.

The summary makes it sound like Opera is making a last ditch effort to stay relevant, which is clearly not the case. Opera has always been in a dominant position in mobile browser marketshare.

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StatCounter is a global service with members from every country in the world but it is more popular in certain countries. Therefore we collect more data from these countries. This means reports for Worldwide/Asia/Europe/North America/Oceania/South America can be skewed towards the countries where StatCounter is more popular. However, you can view each stat on a country level which negates any potential for a bias.

We could compensate for this bias in our reports for Worldwide/Asia/Europe/North America/Oceania/South America based on the total internet population size from each country. But this would mean manipulating the data, and we prefer to leave the data untouched. If other people want to build upon this data and manipulate it to account for any regional bias then they are very welcome to do so per our licensing agreement http://gs.statcounter.com/about.

I'm from StatCounter and I would just like to address your concern. The detection for baidu was added on the 5th March 2009 at 21.00 GMT. When a new detection is added it is noted on the visual graph (but not in the csv download). Also if you look at the stats just for China you can easily see Baidu's dominance there.

Using Wikipedia for population, we have Asia at 4x10^9 or four billion. We also see that the population of China is 1.33x10^9--that is over one fourth the population of Asia is in China. Your data for the range you specified shows Baidu in China at 56.42%--a figure I believe although I would expect Baidu to be trouncing Google more so than a 21% lead. So using these numbers we can establish that China's numbers should be reflected in Asia's numbers at 1.33/4 or 33%. Now, we know that over half of that third is using Baidu. which means that at least 1/6 or 16.6% of your Asia statistics for that same range should reflect 16% using Baidu! Instead you show 1.51% of Asia using Baidu for that range.

Ok? I stand by my assessment that your collection methods are flawed and do not accurately represent usage across large expanses of users.

We talk about our methodology here.
Our stats are based on aggregate data collected by StatCounter on a sample exceeding 4 billion pageviews per month collected from across the StatCounter network of more than 3 million websites. From this sample we analyze the sources of the referring traffic to compile our search engine reports.

I'm from StatCounter and I would just like to address your concern. The detection for baidu was added on the 5th March 2009 at 21.00 GMT. When a new detection is added it is noted on the visual graph (but not in the csv download).
Also if you look at the stats just for China you can easily see Baidu's dominance there.

Everybody was up in arms over that situation. Even people within Microsoft thought it was a bad idea. The community at large made that change happen. If anything the EU was just another voice within thousands.

No, it was the thing which MS change its mind:

"this step clearly removes this question as a potential legal and regulatory issue"

The only company to go under because of IE was Netscape. And Technicially it got bought out by AOL for 4.2 Billion.

How do you know that NS was the only company to go under? And you are ignoring the massive damage MS has done to the web as a whole, holding it back for multiple years.

All of that money is being made in the Mobile phone and Settop industry.

False. Mozilla Corporation is making lots of money from desktop browser. Opera's desktop browser makes up a quarter of their total revenues or so. But this is besides the point. The fact is that there is and was a browser market, and Microsoft has messed it up.

Honestly, this was one of Opera's smartest moves to ally with Nintendo. I don't see anyone buying browsers for any Windows, Mac, or Linux platforms, and if they are, they are making very little there.

So you are saying that Google isn't making money off of searches because the search service is free? Please.

Firefox share is the result of solid code coupled with a word of mouth advertising system and a languishing competitor. It also helps when just about every tech publication puts it as the top browser.

Again, Firefox is an anomaly. It took a non-profit organization which relied on donations and free work to even make a dent.

Mozilla wasn't ready, Opera had a niche market at best and Netscape 6 was Basicially AOL Lite with all of it's skinning and links all over the place. firefox 2 was the first real browser to overcome all of the shortcomings of IE and offer a stable expandable codebase to work against.

And why was that, you think? Because Microsoft destroyed the market, and it took a non-profit organization which relied on donations and free work to do anything.

Report to the US antitrust trial. Sun reported, Novell reported, Caldera (SCO) reported. Where was Opera? As soon as the EU starts doing an Antitrust trial, there they are.

Actually, it was Opera which got the EU case started by reporting

Getting a Guilty verdict here gives Opera (as well as anyone else for that matter) a stronger case in court to go civil suit, since they can use this case as a precedent.

This is pure garbage. Opera isn't doing this because it's planning to sue Microsoft.

THen who is right?

No browser stats are reliable. However, when it comes to reporting what you actually see in the market, StatCounter gets it more right than the rest.

First off, where are your numbers coming from? None of these Stat firms are right remember...

Around 3% is what you get if you look at the overall internet population compared to the number of Opera users on the desktop.

Second, If it's been free for over 3 years, I would think that it would have more share than Safari (althogh Apple Bundles it with OSX) or at least be much higher than chrome.

Opera does have a higher market share than both Safari and Chrome. And the fact that even Google has failed so far shows just how screwed up the market is. They have spent massive amounts of advertising money to push Chrome out there, and yet it hasn't even caught up with a small software company fr

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-daily-20080701-20090505 You can break it down by country or region

It all depends, where you look, how you look at it, etc.

In Europe Firefox 3 has the largest browser-version share. Firefox 3 alone
is larger than IE7 and IE8 combined. IE6 (7.1 %) is actually keeping IE
from loosing thair top position. But Firefox is at 43.02% and IE at 44.7%
and IE is loosing.

But if you look at IE in the Netherlands for example where I life it's at 71 % and
hardly declining, geez. scary.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-eu-daily-20080701-20090502

First of all, the traffic a web site gets from Google's spider is dwarfed by the the traffic it gets from legit users.

First of all, you can use your Google account, register your website with them and see how often they crawl your web.

Secondly, you can use something pretty way OK like http://www.statcounter.com/ and monitor your own traffic.

Thirdly, you'll discover that there's no truth whatsoever in the assertion of your First of all.

Your first point is complete bullshit. I don't even want to guess how you made up the factual-sounding second point.

Thank you, come again.

The factor you seem to be ignoring is that Firefox users are more likely to be early adopters. So I think they are more likely to at least try Chrome.

And you may be right. While this isn't a scientific survey, according to Statcounter, Chrome gained about 1% of the market share, at the expense of Firefox.

People here complain about spam all the time, and then, when a known spammer uses /. to spread his stuff, we should suddenly look away?? Come on!!

For more info on peetles-peetles, have a look at http://forum.statcounter.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php? t=5114&highlight=&.

if you care so much why don't you give Carl a call @ (718) 996-7672.

you care so much why don't you give Carl a call @ (718) 996-7672.

I have signed up for the service, taken some pictures and posted the screen shots on my blog. If you don't want to see the picture, I edited the article slightly and posted the words below: Google just rolled out a free web traffic analysis service named Google Analytics. You can catch the story at Slashdot. I have just signed up for an account. First full report is compiled after 12 hours, but in the main time, I can see a lot of buttons to play with. You can choose to view vital numbers from "Executive", "Marketer", or "Webmaster" point of view. There are so many functions I don't know where to start. Let me show you an overview picture. There is a pretty screen with 4 pictures to the top right. It shows you the webpage overview and covers "Visits and Pageviews", "Geo Map Overlay", "Visits bv New and Returning", and "Visit by Source". "Geo Map Overlay" is interesting, it shows the general location of where people is viewing your site. It uses javascript, so if your visitor has it off, you won't can see the location. Also, the display is in flash for some reason, so make sure you have macromedia flash. If you use Firefox, the popular plug-in AdBlock will block flash, you need to disable it. Firefox viewer can find flash plugins. I just use Internet Explorer for now, it works just fine. The service is the most powerful and flexible I have seen yet, even from paid service. I have been using StatCounter for months, but that free service only provides stat for your previous 100 visitors. Google 'limit' your free account to 5 million views a month, which is plenty for the average joes. If you go over 5 million, your website can most likely make you enough money to afford a pay service anyhow. Even better, if you have an AdWord Account and tie Google Analytics onto it, you have "unlimited" capacity! I will keep both webstat for now. StatCounter updates in real time while Google Analytics updates webstat once an hour. By keeping both I can choose to tap the information whenever I want. Also, I have StatCounter setup as "Public", so visitors can see webstat in real time. The information visitors see from StatCounter is the same as what I see as a webmaster. Google Analytics seems powerful, but it doesn't let me share the information real tiem like Stat Counter does. However, you can choose to export your stat from google into txt, xml, excel, or print it out on the spot. Google never cease to amaze me, they come out with free products better than many paid services. As I write on this free Blogger Platform, logged by free Google Analytics, and being searched by Google Engine, I can't help but praise - Vive Google! Google !

Hey this is Daniel, one of the origional helpers in the Firemonger project. If you would like to see some stats on hits.....heres a link!
http://my.statcounter.com/project/standard/stats.p hp?project_id=444253&guest=1

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