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Re:And?
Depends on the state.
Ex: Here in Washington state, party affiliation is not part of the list (but history is)... while it is in Ohio affiliation is, but history is not: https://www6.sos.state.oh.us/o...
The primary purpose of these databases being available in some form is for political reasons.You as a candidate or just an interested party is going to need to know who to target with your door knocking & mailings.
See someone who is only an irregular voter? Might make a good target to encourage to vote for your person/issue.
See someone who is pretty regular? Their mind may already be made up.
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Re:And?
Ex: Want a copy of the voter registration list from... Ohio? Pick a county: https://www6.sos.state.oh.us/o...
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Re: Big shocker.
Take a look at the graph again. Roads have a negative subsidy - meaning, they actually generate revenue. Air, transit, rail all have positive subsidies. At least the Federal level, roads tend to be money-makers.
Now, I know some States are poor at road maintenance. I live in California, and I know CADOT loves to spend money on anything but roads. We have 360,000 miles of State and local roads in CA, and about $20 billion in revenues. Ohio says it costs about $500,000 to pave 1 mile of 4 lane road (and Ohio winters and summers are much more extreme than most of California). So California should be able to pave 10% of our roads, every year - and we're lucky to get a few potholes filled per year.
There is, in fact, enough money if it was spent on roads, but a lot of times it goes to non-road spending like trains between Bakersfield and Modesto, bike paths, and such - and let roads and bridges continue to deteriorate. And thus raise gas taxes even further...
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Re:Simple question
Yes, that's exactly why.
In Ohio you can download the registered voter file any time you want. It's all public record. No hacking needed. It includes name, DOB, address, party registration (if applicable), and which elections you voted in back to about 2004.
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Re: Marked Paper Ballots FTW
The Secretary of State has a list of which counties use which machines. https://www.sos.state.oh.us/SO...
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Re: It's disgusting how much control...
How is this a Republican thing?
Perhaps because the Senator who proposed the amendment to Senate Bill 137 is a republican? Or that the two cosponsors are also republicans? (Senators Patton, Balderson and Hite)
I'm not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with your overall statement but a quick check on the linked article and the bill itself makes it obvious that the republicans are the ones going to bat for the existing dealerships.
in this case it seems that free market = freedom to collect campaign funding from the market.
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old news, or maybe not even news at all
This was already passed by the senate, without the "Denial of license as motor vehicle dealer" clauses: http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=130_SB_137 I guess I don't understand how the bill amendment process works, but are they really considering amending it now that it has already passed?
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Read section (I) of the law for the whole story
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=129_SB_305
(I) This section does not apply to a box, safe, container, or other item added to a vehicle for the purpose of securing valuables, electronics, or firearms provided that at the time of discovery the box, safe, container, or other item added to the vehicle does not contain a controlled substance or visible residue of a controlled substance.
So it's OK to have a hidden compartment in your car as long as it does not contain a controlled substance or visible residue of a controlled substance. For the record, I still think the law is crap but it's not as bad as the article makes it out to be. -
A bit early
If you look at the numbers, there are quite a few counties in Ohio and FL that haven't come in yet. FL is probably good for Obama, but OH is really still a question mark right now.
83% reporting
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Re:Apropos of this
If you read the contract, there are a number of things that jump out at you.
The contract was signed September 17, 2012. Given the time needed to generate quotes, negotiate the contract, and work it through legal, it is obvious that this was in the works for some time prior to that.
If you read pages 17 & 18, the purpose is to export comma separated value (csv) files in the format specified in the contract.
The program is written in COBOL. (As has been discussed many times on Slashdot, all great hacks are performed in COBOL.)
I see in the meeting notice below that the OHIO BOARD OF VOTING MACHINE EXAMINERS was scheduled to meet June 21st. That would seem to be about right to start dealing with this proposal / contract.
NOTICE OF MEETING: OHIO BOARD OF VOTING MACHINE EXAMINERSThe same company's software was directly discussed at the previous meeting of the Ohio Board of Voting Machine Examiners below.
notice of a meeting to be held by the Ohio Board of Voting Machine ExaminersDid someone miss some meetings?
Hmmm.... look like nothing to see here, move along.
Ohio Secretary of State accused of installing suspicious software on voting machines
Ohio law allows for the experimental use of voting equipment as long as it’s restricted to a limited number of precincts, and under the experimental label, equipment can legally be used without certification.
The Free Press revealed the contract between Husted’s office and the contracted vendor Election Systems and Solutions reads that the software has not been and does not need to be reviewed by any testing authority at the state or federal level.
Election Counsel Brandi Laser Seske sent out a memo to Secretary of State personnel yesterday, detailing the software. In the memo, she explains the software did not require review because it is not “involved in the tabulation or casting of ballots or a modification to a certified system.”
Matt McClellan, a spokesman for the Secretary of State’s office, told theGrio that no patches were installed, describing instead a reporting tool software meant to “assist counties and to help them simplify the process by which they report the results to our system.”
I think this can be filed under "narrative fail."
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Re:Apropos of this
If you read the contract, there are a number of things that jump out at you.
The contract was signed September 17, 2012. Given the time needed to generate quotes, negotiate the contract, and work it through legal, it is obvious that this was in the works for some time prior to that.
If you read pages 17 & 18, the purpose is to export comma separated value (csv) files in the format specified in the contract.
The program is written in COBOL. (As has been discussed many times on Slashdot, all great hacks are performed in COBOL.)
I see in the meeting notice below that the OHIO BOARD OF VOTING MACHINE EXAMINERS was scheduled to meet June 21st. That would seem to be about right to start dealing with this proposal / contract.
NOTICE OF MEETING: OHIO BOARD OF VOTING MACHINE EXAMINERSThe same company's software was directly discussed at the previous meeting of the Ohio Board of Voting Machine Examiners below.
notice of a meeting to be held by the Ohio Board of Voting Machine ExaminersDid someone miss some meetings?
Hmmm.... look like nothing to see here, move along.
Ohio Secretary of State accused of installing suspicious software on voting machines
Ohio law allows for the experimental use of voting equipment as long as it’s restricted to a limited number of precincts, and under the experimental label, equipment can legally be used without certification.
The Free Press revealed the contract between Husted’s office and the contracted vendor Election Systems and Solutions reads that the software has not been and does not need to be reviewed by any testing authority at the state or federal level.
Election Counsel Brandi Laser Seske sent out a memo to Secretary of State personnel yesterday, detailing the software. In the memo, she explains the software did not require review because it is not “involved in the tabulation or casting of ballots or a modification to a certified system.”
Matt McClellan, a spokesman for the Secretary of State’s office, told theGrio that no patches were installed, describing instead a reporting tool software meant to “assist counties and to help them simplify the process by which they report the results to our system.”
I think this can be filed under "narrative fail."
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Re:This seems...
Ohio is on many small faults, the largest of which is the New Madrid fault. There are a few dozen significant earthquakes each year, the vast majority of which cannot be felt.
Despite what you "would think", data is easy to find.
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I'd believe it...
Call it a coincidence, but the Youngstown, Ohio area has never had regular earthquakes. We'd be lucky to have a noticeable earthquake once every 2-3 years. Since fracking began in this area, we've had 7 earthquakes since March 2011! Three of those earthquakes were felt by a large number of the locals with the other 4 only going somewhat noticed.
These earthquakes are in the 2.x magnitude, causing very little to no damage, but how can these experts ignore anomalies like this?
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/geosurvey/html/eq_archv/tabid/8304/Default.aspx
Lake Erie has a lot of underground salt mining operations in place, hence why you'll see a whole lot of reports of earthquakes in the Erie area.
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Re:heh
Unfortunately, in Colorado at lest, you can't take the GED exam until you are 17.
This is a scam run by schools to keep kids in school so the schools can keep getting state funding. Some crazy states don't let you get your GED until 19 years old unless you have superintendent permission.
I'd try traveling to a neighboring state where the requirement is 16 and getting an address there (just have your mail forwarded). State I'm in is 16 and I know several people who have brought their kids from neighboring states to get their GED. -
Re:yes but...
Er, sorry, Ohio was a mistake as far as "required" but there was a line that made me cringe:
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/constitution.cfm?Part=1&Section=07
Religion, morality, and knowledge, however, being essential to good government...But as far as states that prohibit, I believe there are 7 (or 8?) that specifically have text concerning "God", "higher power" or "supreme being"
Here are two:
Texas:
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/CN/htm/CN.1.htm
Sec. 4. RELIGIOUS TESTS. No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.North Carolina:
http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Legislation/constitution/ncconstitution_whole.html
Sec. 8. Disqualifications for office.
The following persons shall be disqualified for office:
First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God. ...Now, would these hold up? Not likely. The problem is that nobody has challenged them and nobody likely will. The laws will remain written as they are and not be changed.
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Re:Either that
It may be a rosy picture where you are, but here is a counter example from zip code 44107 http://www.esorn.ag.state.oh.us/Secured/p23.aspx?oid=B5K4SgwTrBM= Theft and robbery don't fit most people's definitions of sex crimes, but there he is with those as the only crimes listed.
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Re:good investment?
Maps are free? Where, pray tell, do you acquire these free maps?
at the Franklin County Engineers office. I also have had good luck finding Free maps at the first rest stop in a state after you cross the line.
http://www.fceo.co.franklin.oh.us/maps.htm
The state of Ohio also prints a point of interest database.
http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Communications/TIC/OhioInterstateExitGuide/Pages/default.aspx -
The ruling is pretty interesting
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/ROD/docs/
Barberton v. Jenney, Slip Opinion No. 2010-Ohio-2420.
"Santimarino also testified that in addition to his training and experience in visually estimating vehicle speed, he was trained and certified to use the Python brand Doppler radar unit that he was using on July 3, 2008. Santimarino testified on direct examination that after he visually estimated the speed of Jenney's vehicle, he observed that the radar unit indicated that Jenney's vehicle was traveling at 82 miles per hour. Santimarino could not produce a copy of his radar-training certification when defense counsel requested he do so on the day of trial."
In order to be certified by OPOTA, Santimarino was required to show that he could visually estimate a vehicle's speed to within three to four miles per hour of the vehicle's actual speed, which he did
While I don't like ruling there is a certification process and they follow it. When I was in the military and got pulled over by the locals are AG told us in no uncertain terms, do not question the accuracy or honesty of a police officer in from the of the magistrate. You will show up in your Sunday best, use ma'am and sir where appropriate, and be a perfect gentleman. You may plead for leniency or such but never suggest any lacking on the arresting officer.
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Re:Laws against science-fiction are stupid.
The actual bill can be found here: http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=128_SB_243
From the looks of it, they bill is pretty specific in discussing hybrid embryos, and it specifically allows "(1) Research involving the use of transgenic animal models containing human genes;" and "(2) Xenotransplantation of human organs, tissues, or cells into recipient animals, including animals at any stage of development prior to birth, so long as the xenotransplantation does not violate a prohibition in division (B) of this section;"
Any violation of the law is only a misdemeanor, so its meant more to be symbolic then to prevent any ongoing activity.While grafting and transgenics are fairly common now, I don't think there have been any official reports yet of anyone trying to create a true human/animal hybrid. The biggest hurdle to true hybrids might be the number of chromosomes - while humans have 46, most other species do not. even gorillas and chimpanzees have 48. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome#Number_of_chromosomes_in_various_organisms
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Re:Would..
No. The manipulation has to be done at the level of one of these (quick summary): embryonic "fusing" or engineering; engineering non-humans to produce human gametes; or using any human neural tissue at all in an animal (animal-to-human brain-matter transplants are OK).
source: http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=128_SB_243
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Re:"I reject notion of separation of church and st
Actually, I kind of fear states rights when it comes to religion... Take for example the Ohio Constitution:
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/constitution.cfm?Part=1&Section=07
All men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own conscience.
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Religion, morality, and knowledge, however, being essential to good government, it shall be the duty of the general assembly to pass suitable laws to protect every religious denomination in the peaceable enjoyment of its own mode of public worship, and to encourage schools and the means of instruction.I assume being an Atheist makes me less moral knowledgeable than the men who flew those planes into the World Trade Center. After all, they were religious and believed in an almighty god.
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Re:Not not?
From TFA (all emphasis mine):
A state appeals court upheld the trial ruling in a 2-1 decision. The dissenting judge based his opposition on a different federal court case, which found that a cell phone is not a “container” as the term had been used previously.
Writing for the majority in Tuesday’s ruling, [state] Supreme Court Justice Judith Ann Lanzinger
... said the majority didn’t agree with the state’s argument that a cell phone was akin to a closed container.The state won the case in the appeals court – but the judge who sided with Smith in that court argued that the cell phone was not a “container”.
Smith won the case in the state Supreme Court – and once again, the judges siding with Smith accepted the idea that the cell phone was not a “container”.
So, what’s the significance of a “container”? We’ll dig further.
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/PIO/oralArguments/09/0915/0915.asp#081781
ISSUE: When a criminal suspect has been taken into custody and his cell phone has been lawfully seized by police incident to his arrest, do police officers violate the defendant’s Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable searches and seizures by conducting a warrantless search of the electronic files stored in the cell phone?
In this case, [attorneys for Smith] point out, the search of Smith’s phone was conducted hours after he had been taken into custody and his phone had been in the secure possession and control of the police. Under those circumstances, they assert, the phone search was not “incident to” Smith’s arrest and therefore required a warrant. Rather than functioning as a “container” like a box or bag, they assert that current-generation cell phones are much more analogous to personal computers, in which their owners store a wide range of electronic information of a personal nature for which they have a strong expectation of privacy, and which courts have held may not be searched by police without first obtaining a warrant.
Attorneys for the state argue that the trial court and court of appeals properly followed earlier court decisions holding that a closed “container” that was on the person or in the immediate control of an arrested person at the time the arrest is made is subject to search without a warrant. They note that state and federal courts have held that the contents of a woman’s purse or a man’s wallet are subject to a warrantless search incident to an arrest, and argue that the contents of a cell phone should enjoy no greater protection or expectation of privacy than those items.
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Re:Denver uninstalled their cameras
I'm positive that someone has thought of that before. However, I am also positive that some politicians are viewing the RLCs as purely a revenue stream and I wouldn't trust someone like that to pay attention to concerns over turning right on red. Especially when a governor of a state vetoes a bill to limit the revenue generation abilities of speed and red light cameras and to give citizens rights in their uses because it does just that.
Now they are wanting to make seat belt violations a primary offense (so they can cite people not wearing them without those people breaking another law or traffic violation first) and to put speed cameras in construction zones even when workers aren't present. BTW, in my state, there are typically two speed limits in construction zones depending on where they are at. One reduced but still fast to safely promote the flow of traffic and one slower then that for when workers are present to help ensure their safety. Fines are also doubled in construction zones. I wonder which speeds will be used when the workers aren't present or if workers hiding in the trees alongside the roadway and out of the view of the public count for the lower speeds. Please excuse me if I seem cynical. There seems to be ample evidence of its necessity though.
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Re:more paper == more trees
No I meant FOREST From the Ohio Dept. of Natural Resources
"Before settlement, Ohio lay in the heart of a vast forest wilderness stretching from the Appalachian Mountains to the Great Plains. None of the world's hardwood forests surpassed this one in variety and size of trees. Ohio's forest was a magnificent sight and an enormous challenge for settlers determined to clear and till the land. Towering oaks, hickories, beeches, maples, walnuts, ashes and chestnuts, some over 150 feet tall, rose from the rich fertile soil below. By 1900, most of Ohio's original forest was decimated. In its place stood wheat, corn, oats, hay and thriving cities.
Through conservation efforts over the past few decades, a magnificent regrowth has occurred. Today, nearly 30 percent of the state is once again supporting a thriving forest. This is most evident in the rugged, unglaciated hill region of southeastern Ohio including Salt Fork State Park."
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Re:Bad ideaWhile it's probably impossible (or nearly so) to find the state-mandated guidelines for the time I was in 6th grade, I was able to find the current ones.
1. Describe the rock cycle and explain that there are sedimentary, igneous and metamorphic rocks that have distinct properties (e.g., color, texture) and are formed in different ways.
There are a myriad of other guidelines, of course, but in all the K-12 Science standards the word "algorithm" doesn't even appear. If not for a book called "Code" I would have had to enter my first CS course without knowledge of what an algorithm was, how decimal numbers were represented in binary and hexadecimal, and a myriad other of the most basic concepts that are useful foundations for functioning in a digital world.
I know that folks are going to point out that I'm talking about state specific guidelines, but these are mostly determined by the federal standards in order to remain in compliance with the No Child Gets Ahead Act. I've provided links for California, Massachusetts, and Kansas curriculum in an attempt to present a cross section of the country--search each for "igneous" and "algorithm" and you'll get the idea.
I'm not saying that the ACM has my complete support on this, simply that standards for evolving disciplines, most notably science, might be well served by inclusion of some more modern concepts. -
Re:ACORN is about registration, not voting
Where, in the US, is a valid photo ID required to vote? Even in OH, a voter is allowed to present a utility bill (such as for a cellphone) as valid ID. Where I live, no ID is required. I just find my name on the list of registrants, and sign on the dotted line.
So, it would seem, fraudulent registration can and will result in fraudulent voting -- in many areas. The difference isn't as "massive" as you claim. -
Re:dirty tricks
From: http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/voterInformation/regToVote.aspx
What are the qualifications to register and to vote in Ohio?
You are qualified to register to vote in Ohio if you meet all the following requirements:
1. You are a citizen of the United States;
2. You will be at least 18 years old on or before the day of the general election. (If you will be 18 on or before November 4, you may vote in the primary election for candidates, but you cannot vote on issues until you are 18);
3. You will be a resident of Ohio for at least 30 days immediately before the election in which you want to vote;
4. You are not incarcerated (in prison or jail) for a felony conviction under the laws of this state, another state or the United States;
5. You have not been declared incompetent for voting purposes by a probate court; and
6. You have not been permanently disenfranchised for violations of the election laws.You are eligible to vote in elections held in your voting precinct more than 30 consecutive days after you are duly registered to vote in this state.
I see nothing about paying taxes. Nothing about owning land. Nothing about having families. Basically, you're talking out your ass with no factual basis for doing so. Because your points are all 100% wrong and 100% foul of Ohio election laws.
Why isn't owning land allowed to let a vote count more? Because it violates the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution. Section 1. "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Equal protection. As in all citizens count the same for voting.
Furthermore, any use of taxes to determine voting rights or status falls foul of the 24th amendment. "The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reasons of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
If a homeless person can prove citizenship, there is no legal basis to deny or devalue their vote.
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For posterity's sake
You are actually correct. See http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/Upload/elections/advisories/2008/Adv2008-13.pdf
You are correct, but only as of August 4, when the advisory was put out. I was not aware of this information at the time. This is a departure from what information I had been given previously.
And for what its worth, when I called my county board of elections, they didn't seem too excited about my interest in helping with the election. By the tone of the lady's voice, they only use independents as a stop-gap measure.
Ah, discrimination!
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Re:Ohio requires partisan poll workersa) as another commenter points out, you've got the requirements wrong--the brochure lists the requirements as: at least 17, registered to vote in the county you plan to work in, not a felon, not a candidate in the election you're working on.
b) I think working as a poll worker would be a great way to contribute to the community, and having more slashdot types with direct experience with the polls helps make us all smarter and more credible critics. (See, e.g., Avi Rubin's blog entries on his experience
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Re:Ohio requires partisan poll workers
I'd be more than happy to be a poll worker (I'd even forfeit my salary to be one), except for the simple fact that one has to be a registered Democrat or Republican to be a poll worker in Ohio,
No they don't. You just have to be a registered voter.
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Good sources of Info.
I'm assuming that you have the Hart InterCivic system as stated by The Verifier. In that event, as other authiors have noted you may have no hope of detecting truly electrionic tampering. However you may spot some things. The links below also apply to Diebold and ES&S systems as well.
I would be sure, to tell all voters to read the confirmation screen carefully. Many other locations have reported instances of vote switching where voters, once they reach the closing screen, see a different outcome than they pushed. Evidence from a Rice University study indicates that less than 30% of people even read this screen but those that do have reported nontrivial numbers of flipped votes.
Secondly I would educate yourself about the machines. Ohio's Everest study, particularly chapter 14 contains many scary things about the machines. Some you can look for, many you cannot.
You will also find information from the California study notably the red-team reviews of the hart system.
Voters Unite is also a source of some good info As does Pollworkers.us which is a useful site for those working the polls. -
Good sources of Info.
I'm assuming that you have the Hart InterCivic system as stated by The Verifier. In that event, as other authiors have noted you may have no hope of detecting truly electrionic tampering. However you may spot some things. The links below also apply to Diebold and ES&S systems as well.
I would be sure, to tell all voters to read the confirmation screen carefully. Many other locations have reported instances of vote switching where voters, once they reach the closing screen, see a different outcome than they pushed. Evidence from a Rice University study indicates that less than 30% of people even read this screen but those that do have reported nontrivial numbers of flipped votes.
Secondly I would educate yourself about the machines. Ohio's Everest study, particularly chapter 14 contains many scary things about the machines. Some you can look for, many you cannot.
You will also find information from the California study notably the red-team reviews of the hart system.
Voters Unite is also a source of some good info As does Pollworkers.us which is a useful site for those working the polls. -
Re:Ohio
You are right, the ballots are public. And they don't show anything like what you describe. (Excel sheet, look at rows 4199-4203).
Total number of registered voters in Gahanna, Ohio: 3090. Total number voted: 1996. Total for Bush: 1085. Total for Kerry: 881.
What was that again? You were quoting a secondary source on the internet and uncritically accepted it because it supported your political beliefs? That's okay, I would hate for the truth to get in the way of your opinions.
Yes, I've read What Happened in Ohio? and many articles on the subject. There has never been any hard evidence that the Republicans rigged the 2004 election. You have to reconcile yourself to the fact that your country actually *did* vote George Bush into two consecutive terms.
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If that was the cost, what was the benefit?
I don't live in Glouster, Ohio so I'll just take your claim that the water doesn't taste good anymore at face value. (Although it appears the fish don't mind: http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Home/FishingSubhomePage/LakeMapLandingPage/BurrOakLakeFishingMap/tabid/19488/Default.aspx) So that was the cost -- what was the benefit?
How many folks in the area are able to feed their families because of the coal mines? How many folks in the area did not freeze to death this December because their houses had access to cheap energy? How many hospitals in the area did not see a sudden loss of all folks on ventilators because they had uninterrupted access to electricity regardless of the weather conditions?
Human action doesn't *just* damage the environment -- it also enriches our lives. For example, there never would have been Burr Oak Lake in the first place without the *enormously* consequential decision to dam the river. -
Re:wow
1) More mercury enters the environment through the burning of fossil fuel to generate electricty than is contained in a CFL.
2) An old mercury thermometer has up to 100 times the mercury as a CFL.
3) Quit spreading FUD.
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Re:Premier/Diebold decertified or not?
I couldn't find a confirmation in TFA as to which companies really had machines decertified. Our local (Boulder) paper reported this morning that of the four companies involved, only Premier/Diebold had *no* certification revoked. So that's rather at odds with the summary. Seeing that I couldn't see any confirmation of the summary's statement in TFA, I suspect that the local paper got it right.
Looks like your local paper got it right - according to this News Release from the Colorado Secretary of State, the results were:
Premier (formally known as Diebold) All voting equipment submitted for recertification passed.
Sequoia The optical scan devices, Insight and 400-C, used to count paper ballots both passed, but the electronic voting machines, the Edge II and the Edge II Plus, both failed due to a variety of security risk factors, including that the system is not password protected, has exposed controls potentially giving voters unauthorized access, and lacks an audit trail to detect security violations.
Hart The optical scan devices, eScan and BallotNow, both failed because test results showed that they could not accurately count ballots. The electronic voting machine, eSlate, passed.
ES&S The optical scan devices (M 100 and the M650) both failed because of an inability to determine if the devices work correctly and an inability to complete the testing threshold of 10,000 ballots due to vendor programming errors. The electronic voting machine (iVotronic) failed because it is easily disabled by voters activating the device interface, and the system lacks an audit trail to detect security violations.
Maybe the Colorado Sec of State should go read yesterday's 1,000 pages of bad news: Ohio e-voting report released article over on Ars Technica, then chat with the Ohio Sec of State about the EVEREST Testing Reports, which document high-risk issues with equipment from all the vendors that were tested (including Premier/Diebold).
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Re:I bet those judging himAssuming you aren't "too damn stupid and/or lazy," I suggest you write your representatives to get the laws in Ohio changed. To help you out:
House Bill 339 (2006) http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=126_HB_0339
Senate Bill 6 (2007) http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=127_SB_6
Proponent Testimony, Credit Freeze Legislation (March 2007) from Richard Cordray, Ohio Treasurer of State http://www.tos.ohio.gov/content/view/213/40/
You'll have to figure out for yourself where you live and who represents you, but if you need help and ask nicely I can do that for you too.
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Re:I bet those judging himAssuming you aren't "too damn stupid and/or lazy," I suggest you write your representatives to get the laws in Ohio changed. To help you out:
House Bill 339 (2006) http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=126_HB_0339
Senate Bill 6 (2007) http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=127_SB_6
Proponent Testimony, Credit Freeze Legislation (March 2007) from Richard Cordray, Ohio Treasurer of State http://www.tos.ohio.gov/content/view/213/40/
You'll have to figure out for yourself where you live and who represents you, but if you need help and ask nicely I can do that for you too.
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Re:You can't be serious
Red Light Camera tickets are sent to the owner of the car.
Which is precisely what I have been complaining about.
They are not 'left on the car' to be paid by the offending party, but are mailed to the owner
Maybe in Michigan, but every parking ticket I have ever received in Ohio was left under the windshield wiper.
A camera is not "a real live cop". Different situation, diferent rules.
Again, this is what I am complaining about. It is NOT a different situation. There is no differentiation in the law between two different citations for the same infraction. Yet law enforcement wants to impose different rules.
According to the law, it is your responsibility to either pay or ID the driver.
Hmmm.. I must have missed that one. you need to point out where the law states that little gem.
However, According to the Ohio Supreme Court http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/Rules/traffic/ Ohio Traffic Rules, barring a felony indictment standard rules of criminal procedures do not apply to "secure the fair, impartial, speedy and sure administration of justice, simplicity and uniformity in procedure, and the elimination of unjustifiable expense and delay" but a jury demand may be made under Traffic Rule 9 pursuant to Criminal Rule 23 even for a petty offense. If the case is to be heard in Mayor's Court and the defendant demands a jury trial, the case must be transferred to a higher court.
If the defendant declines to demand a jury trial, he may plead not-guilty and have the case tried before a magistrate judge. The magistrate judge's proceedings shall be conducted as provided in Criminal Rule 19.
In Ohio, traffic violations, even petty, are tried in criminal court, unless you want to plead guilty to the Traffic Bureau or before the local Court judge. Read the rules, everything is applied under criminal rules, just slightly modified to guarantee the generous infusion of cash in the form of fines. In Dayton, near where I live, there are quite a few automated, photo enforced traffic lights. It is a criminal offense, albeit a petty one. Again, I WOULD NEVER CONVICT!
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Re:Except...
This page on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender lists several studies, including studies by the US and Canadian governments. Or check this link http://www.drc.state.oh.us/web/Reports/Ten_Year_R
e cidivism.pdfWhat current study do you have to refute it?
On the search site, check the box of offenders who are incarcerated. I included offenders who where incarcerated in my total count, so it needs be included in the search count. However, I'm not sure how this makes my statement invalid.
The sex offender registry only has people who have been caught. I indirectly stated in my post that there is more danger from those who haven't been caught. Most offenders have multiple victims before getting caught.
You criticized me for my data and information, but you stated none, just your opinion. Check with psychologist or psychiatrists who deal with sexual problems and see what results they have.
There has the be a balance in informing people of a possible risk and allowing a convicted offender restart his or her life or we may continue to see more sex offenders disappear like they did in Iowa. http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2007/02/
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Re:As an NRA Instructor...
A few remarks here. First, you talk of "feeling" safer not being safer. Please don't confuse the two again. Second, while it appears the number of accidental deaths is disputed, it's still apparent that most gun deaths in the US (with a notoriously high rate of gun deaths per capita) are due to homicide or suicide not due to accident. Third, with proper licensing, you can make sure guns are in in trained hands. For example, here's the requirements for concealed carry in Ohio. I think it's too light, but this filters out a lot of the stupid people IMHO.
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Why is Diebold in elections anyway?
But the Ohio Constitution should keep Diebold out of the election process.
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Re:Misunderstanding
It's April 2007. Anyone who believes the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen (or not) isn't going to change what they think now.
It depends on what your definition of "stolen" is. Considering the fact (according to the New York Times (FAIR)) that if "all disqualified ballots statewide [in Florida] would have been re-examined," Gore would have won. In other words, regardless of what strategy Gore pursued, the state of Florida voted for Al Gore, and yet Bush is president. I'll leave you to determine how you want to characterize the situation.Nothing "changed" or was "transferred". http://election.sos.state.oh.us/ is a special web site in operation for elections. Otherwise, it points to http://www.sos.state.oh.us/ as it does now. It appears that the State of Ohio contracted with SmartTech for hosting, processing, and dissemination of the election results via the special elections web site, when it is in operation.
That probably won't be a good enough answer for people, though. Regardless, it appears that SmartTech has obvious ties to the Republican Party, and hosts many sites for various Republican political interests. The Secretary of State of Ohio is a partisan political position. This doesn't mean there aren't questions that can be raised or points to be debated.
Yes, if Kenneth Lay outsourced analysis of election results to a highly partisan company that is now accused of enabling senior White House staff of skirting around email disclosure, then it's not a good enough answer for me, and I can't understand for the life of me why it's a good enough answer for you.Witness the decades-old joke from Democratic stronghold cities: "Why did the Democrat walk into the cemetery? To thank his voters."
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Re:Misunderstanding
It's April 2007. Anyone who believes the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen (or not) isn't going to change what they think now.
It depends on what your definition of "stolen" is. Considering the fact (according to the New York Times (FAIR)) that if "all disqualified ballots statewide [in Florida] would have been re-examined," Gore would have won. In other words, regardless of what strategy Gore pursued, the state of Florida voted for Al Gore, and yet Bush is president. I'll leave you to determine how you want to characterize the situation.Nothing "changed" or was "transferred". http://election.sos.state.oh.us/ is a special web site in operation for elections. Otherwise, it points to http://www.sos.state.oh.us/ as it does now. It appears that the State of Ohio contracted with SmartTech for hosting, processing, and dissemination of the election results via the special elections web site, when it is in operation.
That probably won't be a good enough answer for people, though. Regardless, it appears that SmartTech has obvious ties to the Republican Party, and hosts many sites for various Republican political interests. The Secretary of State of Ohio is a partisan political position. This doesn't mean there aren't questions that can be raised or points to be debated.
Yes, if Kenneth Lay outsourced analysis of election results to a highly partisan company that is now accused of enabling senior White House staff of skirting around email disclosure, then it's not a good enough answer for me, and I can't understand for the life of me why it's a good enough answer for you.Witness the decades-old joke from Democratic stronghold cities: "Why did the Democrat walk into the cemetery? To thank his voters."
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Misunderstanding
Your own submission answers your question.
Nothing "changed" or was "transferred". http://election.sos.state.oh.us/ is a special web site in operation for elections. Otherwise, it points to http://www.sos.state.oh.us/ as it does now. It appears that the State of Ohio contracted with SmartTech for hosting, processing, and dissemination of the election results via the special elections web site, when it is in operation.
That probably won't be a good enough answer for people, though. Regardless, it appears that SmartTech has obvious ties to the Republican Party, and hosts many sites for various Republican political interests. The Secretary of State of Ohio is a partisan political position. This doesn't mean there aren't questions that can be raised or points to be debated.
The sad truth is that partisans are involved in just about every aspect of the voting and elections process, and that's not going to change, ever.
Witness the decades-old joke from Democratic stronghold cities: "Why did the Democrat walk into the cemetery? To thank his voters."
It's April 2007. Anyone who believes the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen (or not) isn't going to change what they think now. -
Misunderstanding
Your own submission answers your question.
Nothing "changed" or was "transferred". http://election.sos.state.oh.us/ is a special web site in operation for elections. Otherwise, it points to http://www.sos.state.oh.us/ as it does now. It appears that the State of Ohio contracted with SmartTech for hosting, processing, and dissemination of the election results via the special elections web site, when it is in operation.
That probably won't be a good enough answer for people, though. Regardless, it appears that SmartTech has obvious ties to the Republican Party, and hosts many sites for various Republican political interests. The Secretary of State of Ohio is a partisan political position. This doesn't mean there aren't questions that can be raised or points to be debated.
The sad truth is that partisans are involved in just about every aspect of the voting and elections process, and that's not going to change, ever.
Witness the decades-old joke from Democratic stronghold cities: "Why did the Democrat walk into the cemetery? To thank his voters."
It's April 2007. Anyone who believes the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen (or not) isn't going to change what they think now. -
Re:Head Asplode...
The study has been done dozens of times here in the US, by various state and federal agencies. They ALL say the exact same things, which are, briefly --
- Speed limits are set artificially low from the 85th percentile (the universally agreed-upon standard).
- Raising and lowering posted speed limits has no significant effect on driver speed.
- Usually (as in, well more than half), lowering the posted limit increases the number of accidents in an area. The reason is because there's always one or two doofuses who actually obey the limit, so they're going 40mph while everyone else is going 60mph and those slow-moving people now constitute a very unexpected obstacle. You can argue that they are being lawful but the law is still stupid.
- Raising the limit, likewise, tends to decrease the number of accidents.
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/speedlimits.html Here's a great site all about it.
Department of Transportation / Federal Highway Authority study on the subject.
Even the government's own studies prove the speed limit is retarded and dangerous, but they stick to it.
Ask yourself why, and stop holding up this "for public safety" crap.
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a small, cherry-picked examplehttp://www.dot.state.oh.us/roadwaysafety/Goalsand
O bjectives.htm "The total number of fatalities dropped from 1,417 in 2002 to 1,278 in 2003. ......... The number of rear-end crashes increased from 101,551 in 2002 to 102,122 in 2003, an increase of 0.5%".That's 100,000 rear endings in JUST ONE STATE, and only 1400 fatalties FOR ALL KINDS OF ACCIDENTS.
Certainly looks to me that you would survive a rear-ending about 99% of the time.
You, sir, are still causing me to laugh. You tricked me into doing a LITTLE BIT of work, true. But I'm still laughing. Joke's on you.
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Re:We don't even get good broadband
Hey! Don't blame the companies alone. Much of the garbage is caused by different government regulators. There's the
FCC, DOJ, and the worst is the State Utility Commissions. I've seen lata maps like this http://www.puc.state.oh.us/pucogis/statemap/lata_e .pdf for years. I've been told that public utility commissions have drawn the lines (occasionally) to have family members not be a long distance call.
Recently PUCs have been afraid they were losing their power with more and more IP services being offered. Cost effective equipment exists that provides both IP and voice abilities. PUCs have tried to rule that if the equipment is combined, then they regulate both types of services.
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Unverifiable for counted-as-castThis story at least provides the rare but helpful proof of improper accounting. Usually, in larger races, you'd need a sizable group to testify they had voted contrary to the "official" total. Because laws often allow for a margin of 'error,' there is a definite sense of diluted responsibility that regards acountability to be out of reach in existing systems. At least some systems exist such as PunchScan.org that address the ability for the total to be checked as counted-as-cast. I only wish the story stated *which* electronic voting machines Poinsett County used.
Diebold's Accuvote TS machines have a history of failing the counted-as-cast test, starting with the NEGATIVE 16,022 votes awarded Al Gore in Volusia County's 2000 election. (At the time, Global Elections made the machines. Afterward, they were bought up by Diebold, who were instead infamous for their insecure ATM machines. Ironicly, Their "success" in the voting sector is selling more ATMs to bank chains such as 5th/3rd.)According to the "HACKING DEMOCRACY" HBO Documentary, Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) Elections threw out the signed paper audit tapes used in the 2004 elections, despite the legal obligation to file them for 14 mounths after a presidential election. Bev Harris of Black Box Voting is seen retreiving the tapes from the election board's warehouse trash, with signatures, and it shows hunreds of discrepencies from the "official" tape they printed afresh for her.
In my own experiences here in Butler County Ohio, I have no confidence in the results of our elections: suspicous to say the least. This year's 2006 results deny every Democrat candidate any victory in each race, despite the larger state totals (including non-electronic voting counties) giving the win to a Democratic Governer, Secretary of State, Treasurer, and Senator. But what makes the local results anomolous is that the House Representative an local offices were awarded to Republicans, and the county itself is largely a 'welfare county' whose largest City (Middletown) is founded on a failing steel industry. The disparity seems more closely tied to the voting machines than the voter demographics. Creepy.