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Ohio Attempting To Stop Tesla From Selling Cars, Again
cartechboy writes "Man the automotive dealer associations don't like Tesla. Remember that time the Ohio dealers attempted to block Tesla from selling its electric cars in in the Buckeye State. Now, it's happening again. The car dealers are once again pushing legislation that would keep Tesla from selling cars in Ohio. Senate Bill 260 would prohibit the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles from issuing car-dealer licenses to auto manufacturers. Since Tesla owns and operates its own network of 'dealerships' (aka galleries), this would make it so the automaker couldn't acquire a car-dealer license. Section 11 of the bill lists 'a manufacturer... applying for license to sell or lease new motor vehicles at retail' as one of the types of organization ineligible for a dealership license. On top of all this, the language isn't on the Senate floor as a standalone bill. No, it's inserted as an amendment to Senate Bill 137 which is an unrelated bill requiring Ohio drivers to move to the left while passing roadside maintenance vehicles. Is this yet another slimy tactic to try and undercut the new kid on the block?"
Yes.
Seriously, tho... of course it's an underhanded tactic. It's not even new. The big "3" did the same thing when Tucker tried to revolutionize the industry. Automakers don't like change at anyone's pace but their own glacial plodding.
the Republicans have over all facets of our life. In this example, they control what cars we can buy and where we are allowed to buy them. Of course since they took used cars off of the market a few years ago to raise the price of used cars and to keep those cars off of the market in order to harm minorities and the poor, it is understandable now that they're expanding their attacks. They took used cars from an entire generation. They are the ones that ended the American ideal of owning your own car. They hurt themselves in addition to minorities, but they don't care because they care more about hurting other people than they do about even themselves.
Ostensibly these laws exist to stop manufacturers and distributes from cutting out the middle-man. If Ford or Honda can sell directly, they can get rid of the dealerships, and then charge whatever they want for a Ford, since there won't be any competition. They are, on the face, anti-monopoly laws. [The oft-mentioned Texas law does the same thing for theaters - preventing Paramount from eventually owning all the theaters and then stopping showing MGM movies to anyone in the Lone Star State.]
It's not the first time politics try to protect businesses, but it's hardly been THIS blatant before.
Free market is a thing of the past. Today you don't buy and sell goods and compete with your competitor with quality and price, you buy and sell laws and compete in who can bribe more politicians.
It's a bit like papal elections in medieval times.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Once again, companies try to prevent competition through legislation ... and apparently some lawmakers aren't above giving it to them.
This is just buggy whip makers trying to ensure they still get their cut.
Free market my ass.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Are you ordering me to remember that time?
We just moved the free market to also include laws, because it is more fair to buy and sell legislation than to protect my rights. I really don't get why they think this is such a bad idea. If car companies had more pull over dealerships perhaps they would be less awful.
The OP is implying that it is possible that it isn't. That is pretty damn biased considering it is. What is the OP's agenda of hate against Tesla? Why is he claiming it isn't a slimy tactic? It's pretty disgusting how biased posts here have gotten. Now we're seeing a bunch of anti-Tesla spew.
"About 50% of the human race is middle man and they don't take kindly to being eliminated."
Malcom Reynolds - Firefly
----- My opinions are my own, etc, etc.
While Tesla is the only manufacturer who is attempting to sell cars without a dealer network, the dealers recognize that if Tesla is successful with this tactic other manufacturers will follow their lead. The car dealers are attempting to protect their business model. I hope the dealers fail because it is not at all clear to me that dealers add any value to the process. It appears that the dealers' association agrees with me. However, I am not positive that car dealers do not add value. If they do, and manufacturers are allowed to sell without them, we will quickly discover what value they add to the equation. In either case, this attempt to enshrine their existence into law is a bad idea.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Generally, politicians with (R) next to their name claim to be against regulations and state/federal interference with free enterprise. Therefore I would expect the (R) members of the Ohio Senate to be up in arms about this law, capitalizing on this opportunity to show that the (D) guys are always putting unreasonable burdens on private enterprise and stifling innovation and growth.
But the fact that the sponsor and co sponsors of the bill are all (R)s contradicts that long held (R) stance. What gives? And why aren't there any reporters pointing out this contradiction?
Like it or not this is a huge issue nationwide and Tesla is looking for special treatment. It's not big bad republicans getting in the way of progress here. Tesla is crying because they don't want to play by the same rules everybody else has to and trying to pretend they are innovative because of it.
So this is like the Uber thing, where outsiders come in to innovate, and are willfully clueless about how things currently work, and why.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Car dealerships are extremely anticompetitive and politically connected. But they are hardly the only industry like this. Tesla and other innovators are already or soon will be a countervailing political and commercial force, with consumer demand playing a big role. The car dealership cartel will soon be broken - this Ohio move is a death throe. The same can't be said for many other industries, however. Cable TV/local broadband is an easy target but is being disrupted too. I'd focus my outrage on agriculture. The Farm Bill is a far bigger handout, affecting far more consumers, than car dealerships' (relatively) petty corruption.
This bill is sponsored by Senators Patton, Balderson, and Hite.
The next time a Republican says they are in favor of the free market, remind them of just how full of shit they actually are. They're as willing to mess with the economy and the market as the Soviets ever were.
Everything a Republican tells you about the economy is a lie. They're just there to represent whoever is paying them the most, and ensure the rest of us is subjected to their absurd beliefs. They're the Religious Party of America.
Go ahead and be protectionist douchebags domestically and live in your fantasy world. But, seriously, stop being protectionist hypocrites on the world stage.
Free trade with the US means you can't protect domestic industry, while the US is free to keep doing it.
America can collectively take it up the ass, but the rest of us are getting pretty tired of you.
Manifest assholes.
nobody trades for free. beware falling gargoyles.... free the innocent stem cells. stop trying tp build a better monkey, they obviously do not need our 'help'?
The most dangerous phrase in the language is, "We've always done it this way."
~ Grace Hopper
I can tell you one thing related to this article, that being, the auto dealers, independent business owners, have been worried FOR YEARS that the major auto manufacturers in the U.S. (Ford, Chrysler, GM) are going to start cutting out the middle man and only allowing manufacturer outlets (non-dealers, non-independent business owners) to sell new vehicles.
That may or may not be part of the reason why they're doing this.
Just food for thought.
#stillabettersitethanreddit
What happened to so called capitalism and competing based on better products?
Oh, well. Commies rules.
The inclusion of the dealership issue in this bill is easily-understood once you make the mental translation of "roadside maintenance vehicle" to "large obstruction impeding forward progress" and "move to the left" as "commit to a large political donation"...
The owners of Tesla Motors would also be the owners of ANOTHER company that controls the network of dealerships.
Wouldn't that work in the USA?
So say we all
different then their implementation?
I'll probably get flamed for this, but I saw an argument a while ago on why this is a valid complaint from the dealerships AND existing car manufacturers. At first I had a hard time believing this, but hear me out.
A long time ago, the automakers tried to do exactly what Tesla is doing now in setting up their own chain of manufacturer owned showrooms. To make a long story short, this turned out to have massive consequences for consumers, as it created a way for dealerships to force their customers to pay outrageous prices for simple repairs and parts because they didn't have an alternative source for ANYTHING. Hence, the government stepped in and said, "No no, this is not reasonable and you can't do this" and viola! Independent dealerships sprang into existence and that's why you don't see Ford & Chevy owned showrooms anymore.
Now, Tesla is doing EXACTLY what the Big 3 was told that they COULD NOT DO all those years ago and yet here we are, crapping on them as being anti-competition and anti-innovation. You bet your ass it makes business sense for Tesla to do this, as it completely cuts out the middle man and allows them to maximize profits while retaining completely control over their entire supply chain.
Ask yourself this; If you owned a Ford, would you rather be able to shop around and find the best service/value for your money or be forced to to pay out the ass for manufacturer made proprietary parts?
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/slashdots-new-interface-could-kill-what-keeps-slashdot-relevant/
Or if you don't actually pay attention to reality.
The one who pays more gets more freedom.
It's actually rather amazing how the overall level of discourse has dramatically improved on /. the past few days, ever since the boycott took effect...
I'm shocked to find out that Liberal and Libertarian Washington State is trying to interfere with Tesla's business model. Washington has the most Tesla sales per capita and yet these legislators obviously paid off by the auto dealers has put forward a bill that would stop Telsa from adding stores.
http://www.geekwire.com/2014/p...
You know business is on downhill when they need to resolv in this sort of dirty tricks... Thats free market economy for you... Consumer docent win...
Not many people in Ohio can afford a $100k car, especially an electric one without heat. Try driving that when it's 10 below zero.
Bureaucracies are inherently resistant to change, especially when a new technology comes along to undermine the assumptions on which the bureaucracies were built. Those bureaucracies’ express mission is to hinder progress. It is our express duty to educate them so they know that the hinderance they are attempting will fall as surely as the Berlin Wall fell. Using technology to improve people's lives is too easy and so welcome it won't fail.
regulation is fine, licensing is just a way to give politicians more power and should be done away with
This would be a perfect time for some american to give us a "USA, most free country in the wold" unless you want to sell a car in some states..
So, you're saying that people living in Ohio will have to purchase their new Telsa's in another state, thus helping their poor neighboring states? I'm okay with that.
True the Republican party touts free market principles and constitutional restraint on government, but more and more our elected officials on both sides of the aisle are pushing crony capitalism instead of free market capitalism.
Under Crony Capitalism, companies enrich themselves not by making better products, but by skewing or preventing competition by force or coercion via the heavy hand of government.
Whether it is democrats pushing "green" subsidies or republicans pushing oil or farm subsidies, the end result is the same. The consumer gets screwed and the companies that hire the best lobbyists get ridiculous returns on their investments.
But the problem is not greedy politicians or self-interested business. The problem is the current political game rewards these things, thus creating a self-perpetuated problem. We need to remove the incentive for these people to engage in this type of bad behavior (as bad as it is, it's completely legal and the rewards are great).
The game needs to be fixed. What we need are:
Eliminate the revolving door from politician to well-payed lobbyist
Term limits (The longer a politician stays in power, the more corruptible they seem to be)
Financial transparency for politicians
Subject politicians to same insider trading laws that apply to business
Patent reforms (government protected monopolies should be rare and limited in duration)
Tax reforms for simple and straightforward system and should be limited to a max percentage of someone's income.
The simple solution for Tesla is to outsource their galleries to some degree. I believe Tesla did that in some states and the Ohio law bans "affiliated entities" as well, but this really will become a "cat and mouse" game.
Regular dealerships are "affiliated" with the manufacturer at some level, so it sounds like Tesla will have to find that balance as well.
Corepirate is actually kinda cool. I think I'll find a place to use that one.
Is 1563649 a prime number?
an automaker should not sell it's own product. no one to sue for bad design, service,etc....
riders need to be done away with.
There abuse far out weighs any advantages.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
e articles about Tesla. Every fucking day there are multiple articles about this shitty company, and they are always positive. It's so painfully obvious that they paid to be included artificially, like ads.
It is not a coincidence that Tesla has no dealerships. It likely never will.
This strong-arming is a perfect example for the reason. Dealerships wield in an inordinate amount of political power in their regions. The result hash been that once a manufacturer grants a dealership license to a dealership in a certain area, it is perpetual, geographically exclusive and irrevocable by the manufacturer. Unheard of conditions in practically any other business.
Tesla will sooner open its own dealerships across Ohio's state lines. The lost sales taxes will eventually prove irresistible to the coin operated legislature.
Which is even more baffling, I usually associate free market to republicans
The republicans aren't about the free market any more than the dems are despite lip service to the contrary. This is clear evidence of that. We do not need car dealers as middlemen anymore. No, this is simply them pushing the agenda of some monied interests. Same as it ever was. The dems do the same thing, just for different constituents.
Dems are usually supporters of bigger government.
This doesn't expand the government any. It simply is an attempt by some greedy middlemen to limit competition by legislation. Both parties do this. There is no reason at all that we should have to buy cars through dealerships.
...my apologies for the stupidity and protectionism being displayed by the auto dealers in my state. Ohio has enough problem without something this stupid.
Bearded Dragon
The party of less government and pro-business.
Pro-business. Mostly yes. Less government? Not so much. The republican party only wants less government when it suits them and keeps them in power. If the republicans REALLY were for less government they would be pushing to reduce the size of the military, reduce medicare, reduce social security and stay out of morality debates like stem cell research and gay marriage. They can pay lip services to "less government" all they want but their actions are not those of a party which actually wants less government.
So, from what I can tell, the main problem with this Ohio law (aside the fact it's an obvious, blatantly stupid attempt to stop one particular company from selling in the state) is that they want to prevent auto manufacturers from owning dealerships, right?
So, then, why doesn't Tesla just franchise out the dealerships in Ohio?
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
The only argument that I can remotely see being made for this sort of legislation is 'protecting jobs in X industry.' Manufacturer distribution and sales have got to be more efficient, and probably [relatively] more honest since the manufacturer suffers directly if someone's missold or if the product is misrepresented.
Frankly, the car dealer industry is one that could disappear without many complaints from the public, but there will still be plenty of used cars.
The reason it's awful, is that for most people, a car is the most expensive item (apart from real estate) that they will ever buy, by a huge margin.
The reason it is awful is because lots of dealers have a VERY well deserved reputation for trying to rip people off. If you've ever been through a negotiation to buy or sell a car through a dealer, you probably know that they will use every underhanded tactic in the book to try to get you to pay more than you need to. They try to sell you add ons that you do not need (like undercoating) or are overpriced. They try to take advantage of you and as a result, people resent them.
Shaddup, take the open-source code (even if it is old and no longer maintained) and make your own site. This was inevitable once the site sold out to corporate interests. Let the owners slash and burn the virtual environment, it is their right and your only rights here are to leave if you don't like it.
Especially if they had to close their Apple Stores. ... after the astrology story today a foreigner is just shaking heads and wonders how retarded either the politians, the public or both are.
Who is next? What else can be manufactored and either be sold directly to the enduser or only via 'mandatory' resellers?
Tomorrow you are no longer allowed to enter a grocery store and by your own food, but you need a 'nigger' to buy it for you
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
"Man the automotive dealer associations don't like Tesla.
They have a name: NADA. Hate them, they are evil.
Rent-seeking
It is not surprising that a group with an existing legislative advantage in the marketplace is returning to the legislature to bolster their advantage against a new threat. That's how the market works.
The primary job of an elected official is to get reelected. If you want a legislator's attention,donate to their election fund. They'll notice the money, and then when you talk about your legislative needs, they'll listen carefully, and often act in your interest. Just keep those checks coming.
My Heart Is A Flower
The simple solution for Tesla is to outsource their galleries to some degree.
Simple but ultimately self defeating. By doing that they are basically giving away profits to a middle man that they realistically should not have to.
Having distributors only makes sense if you lack the ability to adequately reach or economically serve a group of customers. The distributors I deal with in my day job are better equipped to deal with small customers or customers with niche needs. In the case of automobiles, there is no compelling economic interest on the part of consumers to have a middle man be required. If I want to buy direct from Tesla I should be allowed to do that. Independent dealerships provide me no economic value.
Pretty much reaffirming, Ohio Sucks. Oh, but they'll go out of their way to help you recharge your Tesla.. for some ungodly charge!
not related to original motion (in any meaningfull way) - should never have got on the order paper
This just reminds me of when photocopiers were banned in Russia, because they would put printing shops out of business.
Web apps have made some car salesmen obsolete. Now, you just need somewhere to test drive and a consultant to answer any detailed questions. The only people who don't like it when the middleman is cut out are the middlemen and their friends.
When will you people wake up.
Make it illegal to tack unrelated bills together.
So that is what the Republicans mean by a "free market."
This proves the people who currently call themselves "Republicans" are anything but. The party has been hijacked by a bunch of self-serving individuals. Clearly these people could not care less about the free market or competition.
An effective "democracy" creates the illusion the people have a say in their government.
Why?
Why does their concept of freedom and personal responsibility apply only to men?
It gets the campaign money flowing, the speaker fees rising and the reelections all but locked.
I mean my electric provider is First Energy, and my electric producer is First Energy Solutions.
I don't see why it would be very difficult to create a separate dealer corp. I'm surprised Tesla didn't structure it that way from the start.
The most powerful and least productive group today. You could produce the best product in the world, but if you cut off the "middle man" you won't be able to sell it.
I would have a sig but I am too busy updating programs and restarting my computer
Tesla should not get special treatment, but rather than trying to apply an outdated law to Tesla, the outdated law should be taken off the books.
The are real consequences for doing this however. In some small towns a new car dealership can be a major employer. You've got sales people, repair people, parts people, administrative staff, etc. And of course an auto dealership relies on other services in order to operate which also employee people.
So while we may like the idea of direct sales because it cuts costs, it also takes money out of the local economy.
Believe me, I'm not a big fan of auto dealerships. I like the savings I get from buying direct or online, but I am also concerned about the long term impacts on the economy of the loss of brick and mortar retail outlets.
So this really may not have much to do with Party platform at all. It's possible that it's all about the campaign contributions made by Ohio car dealerships. It also might be driven by a genuine concern for their constituent's jobs.
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Well,
sell all your Teslars to Europe. That would be the simple thing.
Now lets wait who is going to found an re-import business.
Worst case do it yourself ... the next thing is: a brand new car will only be available via 'used car dealers'.
Or do it like Apple: manufactor the cars in Ireland and export them from there to the USA (like Apple does).
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
They are trying to protect their "convention"ally enforced profit model. They would like Tesla to sell through dealers.
So, they went federal, is that when they found out that clubbing union members and shooting wooblies didn't get them many votes?
How much longer was it before they figured out that segregation was a bad thing? Maybe more like the60's?
Seems like if it wasn't for Kennedy, whose fiscal and social polices were very unpopular with old school democrats, the old south would be as bad now as it was then.
No brain, no pain.
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I expect this kind of dribble from the cnn.com post section but not Slashdot's...
Even of a ridiculous law like that would be passed, wouldn't it be super easy to circumvent?
Can't Tesla set up some "independent" company to sell their cars?
You know an awful lot about dick, are you trying to tell us something about yourself?
Since Ohio is a right wing governed state this is further proof that the right wing does not support liberty or business or a free market. What is does prove is that the republicans will back current businesses that put money across their palms. So why not have a site that is adjacent to Ohio that simply delivers the new car to Ohio residents? That way Ohio can lose out on the sales taxes. So what is next? will Ohio invent an impact fee for importing an American car that does not pollute? Then we will see their Republic, lying, scum bag leaders all clain they are for a non polluted environment. If fact they love apple pie, bribes and power but they hate their moms and their nation.
I think that the real issue is that a car, much like a home is one of the relatively few things in this world that Americans (for the most part) will ever negotiate the price of. In the US most things traditionally "cost what they cost". You decide what you want to buy, you go to where they sell it, and you pay them the price that they have on the price tag if you want it bad enough and/or think it is worth the asking price. Relatively few people in the US negotiate daily and for most of them it's not a comfortable experience. Most people don't have a comfortable understanding of the process and are worried that they're being taken advantage of when they settle on a price. The process doesn't do much to help get past this fear. The last time I bought a car I did it online. I was looking for a 2006 Pontiac GTO and went to Pontiac's website where I searched for one in Texas and Louisiana. I found them all, assembled all their email addresses for their online sales department, and sent them the same email. Basically "I want a 2006 GTO, I'm going to pay 18% off sticker, I don't care what color it is or whether it is an automatic or manual transmission (there were very few options on that car). Please contact me if you want to move a car right now. I have my own financing lined up. Thank You". I got a bunch of replies. Most said nobody would make that deal and three said they had a car they would sell me for that deal. I picked one (a silver one in Bastrop Texas) and drove there from Houston with my wife to pick it up. I was in the dealership for about 45 minutes.
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
Sorry, me English not too good.. but in the first line of the summary, who is Man?
There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary to public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute or common law. Neither individuals nor corporations have any right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back.
I suspect many who rail against this kind of graft and corruption are fine with giving the government and it's agencies more power to regulate and 'insure a fair marketplace'. However, the more rules and laws that are passed, the more they can be (ab)used to advantage or disadvantage someone else or some other company. I am constantly surprised at how many people here on /. do not make this connection.
We beg and beg for more regulation about X. Once it's in place, you complain because companies try to influence the process? Well, surprise surprise.....when you regulate people or companies, they usually want to participate in the process. If, during that process, they can disadvantage the other guy......why not do that? That's common sense, completely expected, and has been going on as long as the world has been going around.
That Slashdot finds this surprising says more about slashdot than it does the companies.
Maybe this will work better:
1. Establish law(s) affecting companies
2. Act surprised when companies want to participate in the lawmaking
3. ????
4. Profit
...of why laws shouldn't be allowed to have "riders".
Each law should have to be voted on individually.
Pretty sure there was a Simpsons episode about passing bills exactly like this..
Tesla sells so few cars that the auto dealers could give a crap. The problem is the precedent. If one manufacturer is allowed to sell direct, the rest will be. Overnight, the dealers' franchises -- which they paid, typically, millions of dollars for -- will be worthless. The manufacturers will go right around the dealers, who take all the hate for a surprisingly small share of the profits. Manufacturers and dealers HATE each other.
There is no group with a lower aggregate IQ then new car buyers. Not even 'audiophiles'.
Have to quibble a little bit. I bought a new Toyota Matrix in 2005 even knowing the downsides of buying new. I had a couple primary reasons that I still think are valid:
1) At the time there were few hatchbacks available used anywhere within 1000km. Well-used Civics were going for 10K.
2) I have every intention of driving my vehicle into the ground, in another decade or so.
Now there are hatchbacks/crossovers from everyone all over the place, so when we add a second vehicle I'll probably go used.
They don't own the dealerships, but they do set the prices.
All Toyota dealerships within 2000km of my house had the same prices when I was car shopping. And they didn't dicker. If you were really good you could get a couple of accessories thrown in, but the price on the car itself does not go below Toyota's suggested price.
And Toyota parts in Canada cost double what they cost in the USA.
What the heck? First off that is stupid, second off putting it into another bill to try to get it passed is really unethical and moronic...It should be illegal to do that...hopefully that bill will be edited to remove that part of it
wonder if theres anyway we could convince them to extend the boycott?
Why is it that when republicans don't like another republican they call them progressive leftists? Boehner is not a leftist. You may not like him, but he's not a liberal and doesn't vote like one.
The people running for office mostly just want to be rich. To be elected to office, they need to appeal mainly to one of two groups of people: those who want less government telling them what to do, or those who want more government to take from others and give to them. Once elected to office, they don't have to actually do either. They simply need to pretend that they are working on less/more government while blaming any issues on the other side for not accomplishing less/more government. This is why Democrats have been promising to end poverty for 40 years yet poverty continues to rise (even when they control the White House and Congress). This is why Republicans have been promising to reduce the size of the federal government for 40 years yet the government continues to grow (even when they control the White House and Congress).
While there may be a small handful of honest politicians who truly believe in doing what is in the best interest of the American people, this is obviously not the majority of the people in Washington.
If I were Tesla, I would just buy a few front page adverts disclosing that due to their greedy car dealerships underhanded purchasing of Ohio lawmakers that nobody in Ohio will be able to purchase a Tesla vehicle, ever.
Just state that until Tesla can open their galleries in Ohio, nobody from Ohio will be allowed to buy one.
Then the top .001% rich of Ohio will slash the throats of their Senators/Congressmen as well as bomb the regular dealerships back to the stoneage because they will *want* to get their Teslas.
Couldn't Tesla create a company that exists only to sell their cars, similar to how large businesses create a "property" company to "own" the buildings/land they're in, and then the parent pays the "property" company to lease the land to get around such stupid legislation?
bork bork bork!
The GOP is a mix of:
Tea Party loonies that want to destroy the federal government, while they reign terror on economic interests that don't support them at the state level (like Tesla)
Religious fundamentalists which want to dictate their views on health, society relationships (very anti libertarian of them)
Libertarian which really means my rights are more important than yours
Your common republicans which are pro war, defend massive wasteful expenditures in the military regardless of actual need (huge federal government), have always been in love with every invasion of privacy made in the name of national security (but wouldn't mind selling those secrets for a lot of money to their friends in the private sector)
A smashing minority of common sense politicians which genuinely want to reform the tax code, want a smarter/smaller military, are willing to make bipartidarism work, want less entitlements, AKA, Republicans In Name Only
Sounds unfair to me! I'm in the UK but I wouldn't think Tesler is going to affect the American market drastically as it is expensive and specialist?
You want contract law, standing military, copyrights, patents, trademarks and internaltional agreements to stay and even expand (when was the last time Rand Paul asked for copyright terms to be reduced?).
You don't want healthcare (despite universal healthcare being the cheapest bang-for-buck), you don't want environmental laws or worker protections, you don't want unions, and so on. You want those reduced.
therefore by your assertion, there are no such pure libertarian. They are riding invisible pink unicorns on Russel's teapot.
The people running for office mostly just want to be rich.
Nearly all of the ones running for national office already are rich even before they get into office. Someone who has to work a Real Job to make ends meet is never going to have the financial resources or time to spend on the campaign to get elected. What they mostly want is power though most seem to add to their wealth along the way.
The Tesla could have the showrooms inside the indian casino's around the country.
After all, native indian tribes are treated as a sovereign nation.
Sadly, Ayn Rand's vision of the future is coming true :(
I would rather buy my favorite gas powered car from the manufacturer instead of all this dealership nonsense.
My used car began to die, and I knew I would need to get a replacement.
I was looking for a "reliable old Honda" when the CARS bill passed (popularly "Cash for Clunkers"). This brought a new car down into used car price ranges. I wouldn't get the $4500 credit for buying a used car, only a new one, so I bought a reliable new Honda instead.
I knew I'd want to keep my car until there was a reliable, affordable all-electric, and I figured I have at least 15 years from date of purchase for some company to come out with one.