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Before it was at propaganda.themes.org, it was at propaganda.system12.com, which is 404'd too. system12.com has the default Apache page. Its still registered under the name Propaganda, with nameservers at VA Linux, so who knows what its status is..

No point putting a dead link in an article, I guess...

Is one of the Menudo kids really dead?

here's a link to the tarball: Propaganda-14.tar.gz

propaganda changed ownership, so to speak, last october. i must admit i liked Bowie's tiles a whole lot better, although the new ones are all right, too (i am using one of the newer ones right now)..

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propaganda changed ownership, so to speak, last october. i must admit i liked Bowie's tiles a whole lot better, although the new ones are all right, too (i am using one of the newer ones right now)..

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An interview with Bowie J. Poag just went up today on linux.com. Here's an excerpt:

linux.com: What's System 12 all about?

Bowie J. Poag: System 12 will be a resource stockpile for Linux application developers. For lack of a better buzzword, we don't really know what to call it yet, but the basic premise is this: System 12 (hopefully) will do for Linux application development what Themes.org did for windowmanagers. We're going to be offering a series of free "component toolkits" for developers to include in their own work. In exchange for using our work, we will be offering them free hosting space on our server so they can showcase their work to the community.

Visit the System 12 site if you're anxious.

Bowie J. Poag of Propaganga fame is already starting exactly this at www.system12.com

Hehehe.. dont worry, we still love you, Rob. :)

Bowie
PROPAGANDA
Bowie J. Poag

This is just sad. I seem to recall Microsoft bashing Sun for the same basic idea less than a year ago..Now they want in on it.
Hmmm.. If I rent a car, and crash it..I have to pay for it. I wonder if it works the same for renting Microsoft applications. Ahha! Now I get it -- You have to pay for it if you crash it! So that's why theyre doing it! :)

It just astounds me to what degrees people put up with this company. Whats next? "Microsoft Office 2000 -- $500 Down, And zero-point-nine percent financing!" ....?


Bowie J. Poag
PROPAGANDA
Bowie J. Poag

I had the opportunity to speak with a SCO recruiter (got an uber-kewl "I (heart) UNIX" bumper sticker too..heh) on campus a couple months ago during a job fair.. Not to say anything bad about SCO, but, the recruiter seemed to give me the impression that they were fairly frightened about Linux's impact on their marketshare. It seemed like they were almost distancing themselves from their own product in order to prepare to embrace Linux if need-be. Looks like theyre making steps in that direction. A good thing, imho. Kudos to SCO!

Bowie
PROPAGANDA
Bowie J. Poag

I really think we're all totally missing the big picture here..We're all getting pissed off about money. We really shouldn't be. When you step back and look at it, ignoring all the buzz and all the numbers, the money doesn't even matter. I mean, think about it..Did you get involved in Linux because you thought it would make you money? Or we doing all of this because you believe in the platform? For me, its the latter. I like Linux. Infact, I like it enough to devote some of my time to making it better.

What matters is, we're moving ahead. All of us. Not simply a bunch of guys who either got incredibly rich by pure luck or got rich by lying their way into an IPO. Sure, everybody loves the money..but getting rich isnt a necessary part (nor has it ever been a part) of the process of improving and strengthening Linux.

The fact that Red Hat's stock sits at $73/share right now isnt going to stop me from doing what I do, and making what I make. What the Linux community is doing right now is a necessary step on the way to dethroning Microsoft. Part of that means becoming a household name, which we're well on the way to doing. Somebody has to hit the beach first -- and for us, that happens to be Red Hat.

Were at the beginning of something big, not the end of something small.

Bowie
Founder, System 12 / PROPAGANDA
Bowie J. Poag

I really think we're all totally missing the big picture here..We're all getting pissed off about money. We really shouldn't be. When you step back and look at it, ignoring all the buzz and all the numbers, the money doesn't even matter. I mean, think about it..Did you get involved in Linux because you thought it would make you money? Or we doing all of this because you believe in the platform? For me, its the latter. I like Linux. Infact, I like it enough to devote some of my time to making it better.

What matters is, we're moving ahead. All of us. Not simply a bunch of guys who either got incredibly rich by pure luck or got rich by lying their way into an IPO. Sure, everybody loves the money..but getting rich isnt a necessary part (nor has it ever been a part) of the process of improving and strengthening Linux.

The fact that Red Hat's stock sits at $73/share right now isnt going to stop me from doing what I do, and making what I make. What the Linux community is doing right now is a necessary step on the way to dethroning Microsoft. Part of that means becoming a household name, which we're well on the way to doing. Somebody has to hit the beach first -- and for us, that happens to be Red Hat.

Were at the beginning of something big, not the end of something small.

Bowie
Founder, System 12 / PROPAGANDA
Bowie J. Poag

..You were expecting something smart to come from a group of people who intentionally live in the path of tornadoes? :)

All I ever needed to know about "Creation Science" was from a video we were shown in Biology class back in high school. In order to be fair, we had the evolutionist viewpoint shown to us, followed by the creationist viewpoint on what happened during mass-extinction that occured on earth about 65 million years ago. I laughed so hard that I can remember the exact words of what was said in the video to this day:

"..About 4,000 years ago, a catastrophic flood wiped out many forms of life on Earth -- The fish were the first to die, follow by the....."

Somehow, I have a hard time buying the idea that fish are capable of drowning.. :)

Bowie
PROPAGANDA
Bowie J. Poag

If you are one of the people who were affected by LinuxBox's demise, we may be able to help you out. System 12 has room for about 20-30 small, community-related projects. While our own project wont be formally unveiled for another couple months, we can offer sanctuary on a temporary basis for those of you who need to get your projects back up on short notice.

System 12 is a community project funded by VA Linux Systems. We have a Dual P3/500 SMP box with 512MB RAM, and 36GB of space sitting on a rather fast connection. If we can help, send us a short email telling us who you are, the name of your project, a short description of what it is, and a way we might be able to reach, and we'll see what we can do to help.

Good luck,

Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, System 12 (http://system12.com)

Bowie J. Poag

Got e-mail from a guy at 3DFx like a week or so ago, asking my permission to use PROPAGANDA seamless tiles in the product demos theyre giving. Unfortunately, I wont be at the expo to see them in action, but if I were you, i'd look forward to such a demo. :)

Bowie
PROPAGANDA
Bowie J. Poag