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Well, you can use Access against a PostgreSQL database. Other than that, there is Rekall as an option. OpenOffice.org's Base is available as well.

jEdit (www.jedit.org) - best editor in existance, unmatched functionality
Dreamweaver 8 (on OS X) DW is an outdated way to do things, but it still is very powerfull
Quanta (Quanta Gold for Win or OS X - > http://www.thekompany.com/products/quanta/; Quanta Plus for Linux -> http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/)
PHPEclipse (has anoyances but very good PHP tools)

For a redo of that old site of yours I recommend simply installing a CMS and migrating the content by hand if neccesary. That's probably faster and more effective than anything else. Static HTML just isn't the way to go these days, which eliminates most of the need for a large-type HTML editor. Check out joomla! (www.joomla.org)

We use Mozilla Sunbird and a WebDAV server here. It isn't perfect, but it is a good enough calendaring application. Lightning integrates this with Thunderbird.

Evolution, a decent Outlook alternative from Novell, has been ported.

Aethera seems stalled, but includes native windows ports of KOrganizer.

Finally, there are some versions of Kontact which can run under Cygwin.

No no no, It's "The Kompany" not "The Company".

The Kompany is in reality a special division of the CIA, created to infiltrate the Open Sause Terrorist Group. Their special weapon, The Mozzarella project, contained a truth serum (mozarella) to make all Open Sause members spill their guts about the russian KGB Microsoft-drink organization.

I know this because I was analprobed when I was under the influence of Mozzarella!

Damn pizza delivery guy, I always knew he was up to no good.

I'm currently evaluating Python IDEs at the moment myself, starting with Wing IDE Professional, and while I don't have any conclusions yet, I can list what the current state of the market looks like.

Black Adder, has a "GUI designer with all the features of Qt Designer and generates Python and Ruby code." I can't seem to find pricing information on their website at the moment; I'm guessing the "Cannot connect to database server error" text is where an add-to-cart button is supposed to be. Their license is proprietary and the product is not free for redistribution, but source code is included.

SPE - Stani's Python Editor features the wxGlade GUI designer as a plugin. Open source, GPL license.

Komodo Professional (US$295) has a GUI builder that uses Tkinter. (There's a $29.95 "Personal" edition, but that lacks the GUI builder and is restricted to non-commercial use, where "non-commercial use is defined as tasks for which you are not paid. If you are using Komodo as part of your job, you must purchase Komodo Professional.")

One can also combine using Qt Designer (licensed together with Qt; both GPL and proprietary license options available) with one of the above or with Wing IDE Professional (US$179) or PyDev (Eclipse Public License) which both look promising. Wing IDE Professional includes source code, though like Komodo, it is not free to distribute. (There's also a $30 Wing IDE Personal edition, but it's missing a number of key features from Professional that I would think just about any Python programmer would want, even for hobby use, so I don't really consider it an option. It also has a "non-commercial use" restriction, like Komodo.)

That's just it. You're using buggy software. In the past people had to ditch Outlook because it was buggy. Now people are realizing that Evolution (and many other GNOME projects) are becoming just as buggy.

While people such as yourself are futzing around with broken software, those in the know are using KDE and are thus being far more productive. Aethera is a far superior product than Evolution, just as Konqueror is often superior to Firefox.

Don't complain about your broken software when there are far better substitutes available. Do yourself a favour and make the switch you should have made several years ago.

Just a few weeks ago, I had to write a proposal for management types. Network diagrams and the like. Though I've used DIA, I knew it wouldn't be up for the challenge. After some sweating over having to wine visio, I did some serious googling and came up with:

http://www.thekompany.com/projects/kivio/

All I have to say is: Holy Crap. I almost knew everything about this from my visio experience (Not a lot, but I could get aroind). A lot of the symbols were the same, and it did had all the little nice things visio had. If you have ubuntu or another distro with a good package manager, I'd heartily recommend trying this program.

You could try Rekall. Supports multiple database backends, and includes a form designer, a scripting language, and graphical database design tools.

...but it will be worth it. The goal, of course, is standards-based functionality for PIM (Personal Information Management) software. Yes, people really do want a replacement for Outlook, and the open source community would do well to offer complete, end-to-end solutions. Combine the Lightning client with standards-based servers and you've got a good shot at finally getting people to dump Outlook and Exchange.

Here's the thing, though: everyone seems to assume that we need an "Outlook Killer" and an "Exchange Killer." This is, in fact, not true. "One size fits all" only works for Microsoft because Microsoft forces that model. In an ideal world, everyone will select the products that fit them best, and those products will all work together. That means some folks might choose Lightning, some might choose Aethera instead, and they'd still be able to interact with each other's calendars. On the server side, the dozen or so open source groupware servers such as Kolab, OGo, Citadel, and PHPgroupware would all be able to speak common protocols with Lightning and other clients. Users would choose based on other features; for example, one organization might want strong support for forms-based workflow, another might want rich real-time communications, another might want a large selection of third-party plugins. The idea is to allow people to choose their software based on the feature set, rather than by being locked into one choice because, for example, only Exchange supports all the features of Outlook.

It's going to take a lot of cooperation but we'll get there.

Well, there is Aethera, based on KDE Kontact: http://www.thekompany.com/projects/aethera/ Works on Windows, KDE (Linux, BSD, etc..), and Mac OS X I do not like its look, but it has Outlook/Evolution features (not sure about the Exchange functionality, though it works with Kolab which is some kind of Exchange replacement).

I don't know anything about Microfocus Cobol, but if it's something close to ANSI COBOL compliant, perhaps you should look at Kobol http://thekompany.com/products/kobol/, to migrate. To anywhere else than SCO, I'd guess.

I've heard good things about Kivio. I've never actually used it, because I've never felt the need to make diagrams. The screenshots seem sensible, though! ;)

Rekall is not a bad database frontend with Access like style, but that can be used with a range of database backends (mysql, postgresql, etc). Like other Kompany products its is even dual licensed under the GPL. See RekallRevealed.Org

Builded with the Default build of Python there IS a IDE but kinda ugly...

As corporate and enterprise-able products and that have support:

The Kompany makes one called Black Adder...(Never seen it.)
http://www.thekompany.com/products/blackadder/

ActiveState makes one called Komodo(pay) which can/is bundled with ActiveState Python(free). It is very nice and a free trial download!
http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/?_x=1

I'm just glad they can use the Open Source version of Access to work with their MDBs. What's it called again?

Rekall

Try Knoda for managing your database and some RAD tools like Eclipse or KDevelop.

Another pair which might work very well at a reasonable price are KDE Studio Gold and Data Architect from theKompany

YMMV - I've had no experience with any of these programs. I develop with dia, vim, and a command-line SQL client.

Yes, there is. The commercial version is available for Windows.

Many of these things can be found in other languages as well. So it largely comes down a matter of preference.

Check out tkinter and wxPython.

Many of these things can be found in other languages as well. So it largely comes down a matter of preference.

Check out tkinter and wxPython.

Well you could get a PDA with a VOIP app running on it. For example, the Zaurus can have either KPhone/Pi or tkcPhone(demo version on their website). Both of those apps are SIP compatible.

So you get a PDA and a WiFi conectivity and there you go.

Probably not the best or most ideal solution, but it is something that does exist.

Oh. So that would mean COBOL would be your first choice for languages.

Seriouslly, that wouldn't be as far fetched as you might think. COBOL is on every platform you'd probably ever need to run on and now has OO capabilities that are better than C++. No, I wouldn't use it for the Next Great OS®, but if you're pushing data around you'd be a fool not to concider it as an option.

Currently, Rekall supports the following database formats:

* MySQL
* PostgreSQL
* XBase with XBSQL (an SQL wrapper library for the XBase access library)
* IBM DB2
* ODBC

The above list will be expanded later. We plan to add drivers for Oracle, MS SQL Server/Sybase and Interbase/Firebird. Please note the ODBC and DB2 drivers are not included in the standard edition of Rekall; they have to be purchased separately. Also you will need a fully licensed copy of the Database Server for the selected driver.

...

Rekall can do all the things that you would expect of a database front-end (or if it can't, let us know!). You can design and use forms and reports, construct database queries, and import and export data in several different formats (actually, you can copy data -- import is just copy file to table, and export is just copy table to file).

This is unfortunately not what they're looking for. There are any number of 'SQL front ends' - that let you do basically all the functions that a MySQL user can do from the command line. What this doesn't give you is a customziable front end with linked forms, back end processing, and data verification. YOu want to present the user base with a native, comfortable look and feel.

Others have recommended web-based solutions wth PHP, which are okay, but are difficult to maintain for the non-PHP literate.

Perhaps something like Rekall from theKompany would do it? It's not free, but it's a lot less expensive than most of the commercial front ends out there. It supports MySQL, is multi-platform, and has forms and front end scripting (using Python I believe).

All these different projects trying to come up with an end-to-end solution, and none of them really getting anywhere. We need a standard.

A few months ago, the folks at the Citadel project took notice of the specs for the Kolab project, and began promoting its storage and network formats as a proposed standard for open source groupware. It was a nice, simple, elegant design, using vCard and vCalendar formats. Others shared the same view: for example, the Aethera people joined in, and made their client Kolab-compatible. We at the Citadel project made our server Kolab-compatible. This was shaping up to be something good.

So what did the Kolab people do? They designed "Kolab 2" which uses data formats that are neither forward nor backward compatible with Kolab 1. They completely disregarded not only their installed base, but other projects that were working towards compatibility. The new format is proprietary (documented and unencumbered, but proprietary) and gratuitously abuses XML instead of following the industry-standard vCard and vCalendar formats.

The Aethera and Citadel projects are currently in discussions to work together to create a true. open, standards-compliant, cross-platform, end-to-end groupware solution. We invite others to participate as well -- we won't ignore you the way the Kolab people have.

As for OpenXchange? As others have suggested, this is really just a couple of bells and whistles glued onto someone else's IMAP server. It's not really a true solution.

What's wrong with Rekall, or perhaps OpenOffice's DB interface (it works very well too) or maybe even using Microsoft Access. There's a commercial one from the UK too but I can't for the life of me remember the right incantation to bring it up in Google.

IIRC they are all programmable. Rekall's programmable in Python, OO in Java, Python and whatever else you can interface to it and Access in VB.

• Eric3
• Kimodo
• IDLE (included with Python).
• Black Adder ($$)
• Wing IDE ($$)

The Zaurus is a tiny linux box. A powerful, tiny linux box. The first thing you should do when you get a Z is wipe the OS and instead install the excellent OpenZaurus (OZ). OZ is better than the original Linux install in nearly every respect. Don't think of your Z as a PDA, it's more like a tiny laptop. Some of the things I do with mine:

email: I recently compiled Mutt with a IMAP header cache patch. One of the most powerful email clients in the palm of my hand :-)

wireless sniffing: As you know, Kismet rules the land of wireless sniffers. Pop a wireless card in your Z (or get a 6000 :-) and your neighbours will never be safe again :-)

mp3/ogg playing: Using either Opie-Player2 or the excellent tkcplayer. Unfortunatly, I can't use the tkcplayer on the very latest version of OpenZaurus, not because it won't run (because it DOES almost start up when using "runcompat" but then tells me it can't run on this platform-- which it CAN otherwise it wouldn't be able to tell me that :-) TKC are you listening? Remove the check please :-)

Video playing: using a port of the best linux movie player mplayer. I've encoded a bunch of movies down to ~200MB with great results. You can pop a couple of these on a 512MB card for those long flights :-)

Coding: Of course, I've got gcc and perl loaded on the puppy. Hell, without perl I wouldn't be able to run Chaosreader, makes those long hotel stays much more interesting :-)

Exploit testing :-) Since perl and gcc work fine, I really haven't run into any common exploits I can't compile or run properly.

A couple of hints and tricks:

1) If you want to extend your battery life while doing things like mp3 playing or wardriving, grab something like Qoverclock and use it to UNDERCLOCK your Z. Turn down (or off) the display as well. Poke at it a bit and realize you can easily make a shell script to do without the GUI.

2) To maximize your space on root, ram, sd and cf, the single best thing to use is UCLX which works just like UPX. UCLX/UPX are executeable file compressors-- you compress your executable and when you run it it decompresses (to ram) on the fly. The compression it uses is AT LEAST as good as gzip (or better) and the decompression is very fast. When using slower media like SD (or even CF) you'll find that executables will run FASTER compressed then they would uncompressed-- the CPU can decompress much smaller exe faster than the much larger uncompressed exe could be loaded from media and run.

3) When choosing a root/ram disk size for OpenZaurus, it's a good idea to pick a small root with a much larger ram disk. If (when) you need more ram, you can simply make some ramdisk swap files.

4) While you can run gcc right on the Z, it's also nice to us a cross compiler on your (much faster) desktop and then just cp the binary over. If you're too lazy to do cross compiles (or don't want to set up a ton of additional packages like ncurses, etc), you can also just ssh into the IPAQ development cluster and compile your code there. Typically it will run without issue-- sometimes you may want/need to statically link your programs or just grab the libraries from the ipaq and throw 'em on your Z. I haven't found a single thing yet I couldn't get to run.

5) Assuming you grab the required libraries, you can run basically all of the sw in th

See here

Mozilla talks to Exchange, besides being able to do POP3 mail. A colleage showed me this, but I didn't try it for myself. I think I saw docs about this on mozilla.org though. MAPI or IMAP? The docs can tell you which it can handle.

A related issue is the need for an Outlook-replacement to import .pst files. Mozilla can do this, and get all of the folders right, as well as attachments. This was not always so.

Personally, I'm hoping that the Ximian Connector is able to talk to the plain-jane Kolab server (which is the engine in SuSE's OpenExchange Server). I don't care to work with Exchange at all, but if I can't replace it, at least we have a few free clients that can interoperate with it. Another one of the contenders is Aethera, which also talks to Kolab.

Another critical issue is calendaring. I've seen WebDAV solutions for Mozilla, but Kolab handles this nicely.

My company offers several options for businesses looking to migrate off Outlook and/or Exchange, but I really like Kolab and have followed its development since the German government put its foot down and demanded an Outlook/Exchange replacement a couple of years ago.

Ahhh, that's nice, but the only thing that keeps me away from being really interested is the lack of a truly integrated cell phone. I know that one business called "TheKompany" has a VoIP solution for it, another place has a bluetooth connection to your cell When you spend that much money anyway, it'd seem fairly easy to add cell capabilities ... what's a litle more weight? Still ... nice phone, nice review!

The Kompany do proprietary QT products.

Don't know about GTK.

But please: proprietary software is evil

tkcVideo works for me. Takes a bit of fiddling to get the setting right when making the Divxs though.

Last I checked, many (most) Linux IDEs weren't available under OS X:

• BlackAdder
• Boa Constructor
• Eric (not sure)
• Komodo
• WideStudio
• Wing

Early last year I purchased tkcMail from theKompany.com. At the time I (and many others) purchased this product, the product page stated that IMAP support was "coming soon". That was over a year ago.

Since purchasing the product, I joined the product's mailing list to listen for updates on when to expect IMAP support for the product. I was certainly not the only one complaining. The president of the company would often come on the list and promise its "soon" arrival, often in rather rude wording.

Every so often a developer from the company would appear on the list, telling us it was due out the next week. I believe the last time we heard that was last August.

I and many others tried to get a refund for the product, since we eagerly bought the product in hopes we'd have a useable IMAP client for the Sharp Zaurus and have yet to see it. But we're always promptly reminded that the company website states that sales are "as is". Since the software is downloaded upon purchase, they claim that since there's no way to not have the software, how can they be expect to allow refunds? Good point there, but I still didn't buy that they could advertise a feature as coming soon like they did to bait people into buying something they couldn't get a refund for.

Last November I had just about had enough of the waiting, the lax promises and the rude replies to fair questions on the IMAP feature arrival. I decided to contact the Better Business Beareau of CA and at least hopefully scare them. The replied to the first round of inquiry, then ignored the second. If I understand the BBB, they at least now have a black mark on their record.

The company web page has since removed the claim for IMAP support as a future feature of the product (a wave of the magic Wayback Machine shows the initial state of the page). A scary sight for those of us waiting for that support, but it's actually likely a result of people pointing their fingers at it when demanding a refund.

Sure, we should have all heeded their "as is" policy before buying the product, but isn't there at least something to a sort-of bait-and-switch sorta deal with this? I mean, is there a legal definition for what a company defines as "soon" when promising a future feature? Can an automobile company make a car then, for example, claim on the advertisement that it will run on water as fuel..."soon"? When do they have to make good on that promise?

The latest version has been released as a free product licensed under the GPL, not without some controversy.

It's right there in the post - he doesn't want something advanced. Have you seen the way Access is used in a lot of organisations? As an undergrad I did some work for charities creating databases and forms etc. Typically they have a collection of database files with maybe a few hundred to a thousand entries each - customer names, addresses etc. All they want is a program that lets clerical staff add entries, edit existing ones and churn out labels, mail-merge letters and reports. All with some sort of simple GUI. The chances of the staff learning SQL were about up there with them learning Swahili.

I think Rekall is meant to be quite good, although I know nothing beyond the dot.kde.org post on it.

Trolltech has a free as in freedom liscense, take it or leave it. I have a lot of respect for them for doing this. Their source code is released and open to the public. They seem to have made a compelling product since you would like to use it. This is the dream for most programmers :)

You mention shareware as a way for developers getting payed but in the same breath don't want to pay TrollTech for their work.

Okay, this is a bit harsh, I think, based on your post. What do you think should be a per-seat price for TrollTech? Here is a potential alternative: BlackAdder, which is an integrated Qt + Python gui designer and runtime, runs at $400 a seat or $300 a seat for a developer networks. Python + Qt royalty free = $400 = yummy.

By the way, having no real relevance to your post, as someone who works in academia and insists that every government funded program that I work on releases open source software, I'm assuming your proposals would involve seeking government grants which, by the way, I pay for in taxes. Why isn't grant funded source code GPL'd in the first place since I'm paying taxes for it?

I can also name a couple what about COBOL when was the last time your wrote a COBOL program for Windows??

Now that you mention it, it's a little disturbing how many people really do that.

The thing that is nice about access is the fact that everything is integrated in one app. You can setup your tables, queries, forms and reports. .. generally fairly quickly and easily if you have some basic knowledge of Access.

Granted, the draw back is the default backend -- people start small databases in Access and attempting to go multiuser and running into performance issues, security issues, etc.

For basic stuff like contact management, sales estimates, etc, Access provides a quick and relatively painless way to get up and going fast.

I think this is what people want. If OpenOffice.org would ship with a product similar to Rekall and include a basic database engine + capabilities to tap into corporate databases, that would be a great way to round out the entire OOo suite.

1. You just need to give out enough of your product to make the public want the stuff you need to pay for.

Another example is The Kompany. They had this tactic before and released some products that allowed them to sell add-ons. After some fumbles, they are back at it again with Rekall as this site shows and as discussed here.

1. You just need to give out enough of your product to make the public want the stuff you need to pay for.

Another example is The Kompany. They had this tactic before and released some products that allowed them to sell add-ons. After some fumbles, they are back at it again with Rekall as this site shows and as discussed here.

I'm trying to be fair. My contention is that a company which just develops and sells open source software is doomed to fail.

Yes, I realise that now. Although... well, you're sort-of-kind-of trying to redefine the point of the argument in your terms, to the point that it doesn't really become much of an argument anymore. You're doing a bit of the No True Scotsman argument, tangled up with a few other things.

What I think you're saying (putting it in my terms instead, which is always fun :-) is that a company whose only source of income is from the "sale" (see below) of open-source software (by the OSI definition) will not make enough money to cover their costs of development, let alone make a profit. Well... yeah, that's probably correct. But you don't even need to use the term "open-source" software there, you can be much more generic. How about:

"anyone who tries to survive

only by selling stuff that they also make available for free, and that anyone else can (a) duplicate and redistribute freely, (b) enhance (or not) freely, and (c) sell or redistribute at any price (including zero).... will fail."

True? Yeah, probably. Only you're not casting nasturtiums-by-association at open-source software businesses anymore when you put it like that :-).

On a related line - remember of course that referring to the "sale" of software is a very loaded and misleading term. Microsoft sure as hell don't "sell" you software (or so they'd like you to think), they license you to use their software - under fairly limited terms - in exchange for a fee (or so they'd like you to think ;-).

And of course that doesn't just apply to Microsoft, it applies to just about any software company. I'm not sure what the legal status of software is in the USA at this moment, but I've heard enough stories about eBay disallowing resale of software products to make me think that consumer's rights with regard to software products are not very well established.

Back to quoting fmaxwell again:

I was not attempting to troll (you can probably tell that from my karma bonus and comment moderations).

Yep, I realised that after reading a few more of your comments. Just to make it clear, I don't think you're a troll anymore (I wasn't completely sure before). And you do argue your points lucidly and consistently and politely - for which you deserve praise, even if you are wrong. ;-)

I don't consider it open source to demand a fee from a user based on the intended use. That said, I'm not going to add it as a condition at this point.

I must admit it was sneaky of me to stick that in :), but I thought that that would probably fall under the category of special conditions you forgot to add to your list. :-)

I'm really trying to emphasise the point here of what you seem to be doing - you're narrowing the target so much that there's not really any point in using the term open-source software unless you're trying to do the guilt-by-association trick.

I mean, think again about what you're saying - you want examples of companies for which:

• their only source of income is through "sales" of their open-source software products (see above about the meaninglessness of the term "sale" wrt software, not to mention that any non-trivial company almost has to have more than one source of income),
• they provide free downloadable copies of said software products (ie. unlike the Kompany,

Wicked! I get to catch no other than Bruce Perens himself posting a sizeable but subtle fallacy. I suppose that I get to really feel cool now, in a geeky sort of way. Anyway. Apologies, Bruce, for I strongly doubt you did it on purpose, but here it goes!

> One nice thing about GNOME is that a commercial license is not
> necessary to write and distribute a proprietary GNOME application.

*clears throat*

"One nice thing about paper and pencils is that a pricy PC is not necessary to design and write loads of code."

I mean this seriously, and this says nothing either for or against paper and pencils as opposed to computers.

Only, well, in both cases, the right tool will simply save enough time to make the cost well worth it.

And before some excited kid mods me down for daring to disagree with Bruce, let me tell you that if you've never used paper and pencil to design a piece of code you just thought up where no computer was at hand, you don't deserve your /. geek points.

Different tools work well in different circumstances, that's all. Deal.

And in this specific case, it is not unlikely there's a reason why one of the Linux desktop environments has more proprietary companies developping for it than the others.

Food for thought, I hope.

(Having karma to spare is a nifty thing, you get to speak plainly and maybe get people to think. That's way cool.)

Bali out.

The GPL is a proprietry license in is it? Someone should tell this company company before they GPL their product!

Absolutely no company could possibly want to develop proprietry apps for KDE using QT and actually make a success of it.

Yes, the fact the KDE and QT are released under the GPL must mean a quick death for them soon, possibly even Linux (the kernel) itself soon too!

How about Kobol? It comes with a compiler and an IDE, or you can use plugins with Eclipse. It runs on Linux, Windows, and (they promise in the near future) Mac OS X. I wonder how theKompany has been doing selling this product?

"Syntax highlighting with support for ColdFusion, XML, PHP, SQL, Python, Perl, DTML - Zope, C++ and HTML, with more to come"

I have a SL-5500 for about two months. I also have but no longer use a VR3. I also am a technical support rep for one of the major Palm OS pda manufacturers.

The Zaurus is great. It is reasonably fast. I run the majority of the Apps off the SD card, so that slows things do a bit. If you make use the ram drive, as it is setup in the default Sharp ROM, it is very fast to run off the ram drive.

There is a fair amount of software and one can also make use of Java apps. Besides the PIM apps, I primarily use it as an ebook read and a check book. For those that are interested The Kompany makes several apps for the zaurus including Kapital, a Quicken like program. the Zaurus Software Index should give a good idea of what is available.

The screen is a reflective tft so it is fully usable in Bright light including sunlight. The battery will last a couple of days with normal use, much like any pocket PC device. There is also a NiCAD backup battery, though you will need to suspend the device before you lose total battery. If you do not save to the Ram drive, then everything will be restore if you lose all power as it will be saved to either internal flash, SD, of CF.

The buttons are reconfigurable, and if held for a sec or two have another function. I have sucessfully beamed between a VR3, PEGSJ20, Visor, Ipaq, and a Palm V. I have synced on both Win2k and Mandrake Linux 9.1-9.2.

Oh and the media player works nicely. The sound through the headphones is great. The built in speaker is a crappy piezo though. I personally prefer using the embedded XMMS, but there are several options.

a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,...

Q: Does the GPL allow me to charge a fee for downloading the program from my site?
A: Yes. You can charge any fee you wish for distributing a copy of the program. If you distribute binaries by download, you must provide "equivalent access" to download the source--therefore, the fee to download source may not be greater than the fee to download the binary.

By downloading this software you agree to the terms of its use. With each copy of software from theKompany.com you are purchasing the right for a single person to use it on a single computer. You are not allowed to distribute the application or modify it in any way. The source is not provided and the application is provided "as is" with no warranty given or implied. Use of the software is at your own risk, however theKompany will make its best effort to support the software.

We've also been trying to get the Zaurus development house the Kompany to comply with the GPL but have so far been ignored. They've released a port of Kpatience, a card game originally for the KDE desktop. Despite claiming this is a GPL-compliant release they are charging $50 for source to the $6.95 program. Their only response so far is to claim that $50 fee is legitimate because of their hosting fees. Any suggestions for encouraging compliance?