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Civilizations absolutely have collapsed due to lack of natural resources.

Interestingly enough, civilization can also "collapse" due to having "too plentiful" natural resources, namely when it has a militant neighbour which has no qualms of committing genocide in order to forever annex those resources.

Check out the paragraph titled "Minerals & Mining":

"Tibet has a significant share of the world's reserves of uranium, lithium, chromite, copper, borax, and iron. Tibet has proven deposits of 126 minerals" etc etc.

Guess why the Chinese Communist (now Nazional-socialist) Party won't let the wholly non-chinese Tibetan people regain their independence? Besides territorial expansionism being CCP's raison d'etre, the people really enriching themselves from the rape of Tibet are almost exclusively CCP cadres or their family.

I wonder if people in China will get access to the Wikipedia entry on the Panchen Lama to get some information about what happened to him, or if this will be among the pages that are still banned.

I would write down here about the world's youngest political prisoner, who was seized by Chinese thugs as part of an organised attempt to destroy a religion, but I wouldn't want to get Slashdot banned too.

How much do you want to bet that the Olympic village and international hotels will have open unrestricted access for all visitors

That's already the case IMHO...At least the last time I was in Shanghai (2005) I don't remember having anykind of problem to surf on my favorite web sites (news.bbc.co.uk, nytimes.com, slashdot.org, lemonde.fr, lefigaro.fr to name a few). I heard (two days ago: I watched a very nice interview on BBC World of a leading chinese diplomat) that they've got two policies, one for the private/local connection and another one for places where foreign people can be (like my hotel). Too bad that I didn't try http://www.tibet.com/ (the official web site of the Tibetan government in exile).

Well they do have a history of illegally invading and annexing other countries (Tibet) http://www.tibet.com/WhitePaper/white2.html

...ask the Dalai Lama - I get the distinct feeling he's been here before.

Free, as in Tibet.

(Which is to say: NOT)

We forget so often that the chinese government isn't stupid, and maybe not even evil.

Maybe not evil? Are you serious? Please go learn about some of the things the "warm and fuzzy" Chinese government has done before posting such BS.

They have reasons for why they do what they do.

And they are all wrong.

3 mio.? 4 mio.? maybe 5 mio. people could die during an all-china civil unrest.

Is it better to die that to live as a slave? How many millions of people has the Chinese regime already killed in the 50+ years that it has been in power?

"In order to operate from China, we have removed some content from the search results available on Google.cn, in response to local law, regulation or policy," the internet company said in a statement issued yesterday.

That's quite interesting. I just ran a search for "tibet" on google.cn. I can't read the first two results, but the third and fourth results, at first glance, look very pro-Tibet-independence.

Perhaps Google hasn't launched this new site yet, or perhaps it's returning different results due to my IP address not being in China. Can anyone confirm?

And there was never a war in Tibet, we went there to reinstate our rightful authority there given the fact that Tibet was a province of China under the Empire, and since the PRC is a successor state i.e. is in a chain of replacement governemnts of the Empire, the PRC is legally in control of Tibet. So what you're saying is basically the equivalent of saying that China can't send troops to its own territory.

And there was never a war in Tibet, we went there to reinstate our rightful authority there given the fact that Tibet was a province of China under the Empire, and since the PRC is a successor state i.e. is in a chain of replacement governemnts of the Empire, the PRC is legally in control of Tibet. So what you're saying is basically the equivalent of saying that China can't send troops to its own territory.

Guess what, had we been discussing the technical merits of the then-brand new V2 rockets in early 1940s the Nazi sympathizers would have tried modding down any debate about the Holocaust... Same would've been true about Stalin fans intent on brushing that regime's genocides under the carpet. Should we have simply debated those regimes' technical achievements in total separation of their crimes against humanity? Would you have been happy talking only about the flight charasteristics of the Zero fighter while Nanjing was being raped?

Well, the more Tibet is raped the more shame it will bring to the future generations of Chinese...

The Government of Tibet in Exile: http://www.tibet.com/

The sources, including Tibetans themselves, which are not afraid to take into account China's 1951 military invasion of Tibet and the subsequent creation of a mini-Tibet (which the Chinese Communist Party calls the Tibetan "Autonomous" Region or TAR) consisting less than half of independent Tibet's original land area have quite different figures for both the actual extent of Beijing-engineered mass migration of Han Chinese settlers and the Tibetan deaths resulting from the invasion.

Were your CCP-approved figures meant to paint a cheery picture of Tibetan women still allowed to give birth despite the growing number of Chinese in the chopped-up mini-Tibet as the figures were somewhat vague regarding the number of Tibetan deaths caused by unnatural causes under the Chinese occupation?

The sources, including Tibetans themselves, which are not afraid to take into account China's 1951 military invasion of Tibet and the subsequent creation of a mini-Tibet (which the Chinese Communist Party calls the Tibetan "Autonomous" Region or TAR) consisting less than half of independent Tibet's original land area have quite different figures for both the actual extent of Beijing-engineered mass migration of Han Chinese settlers and the Tibetan deaths resulting from the invasion.

Were your CCP-approved figures meant to paint a cheery picture of Tibetan women still allowed to give birth despite the growing number of Chinese in the chopped-up mini-Tibet as the figures were somewhat vague regarding the number of Tibetan deaths caused by unnatural causes under the Chinese occupation?

Random stuff like CNN usually isn't blocked, but I'm guessing that you may have found it difficult to pull up the site of the Government of Tibet in Exile, for example. The Chinese-language Wikipedia has also been blocked on and off.

Perhaps one of these days the communist China's government copies yet another of the worst ultra-capitalistic practises and learns to sue any entity that dares to route traffic to Tibet sites they haven't explicitly authorized. Since they claim ownership of Tibet, surely that also includes copyrights of anything related to their occupied neighbor.

Within People's Republic of China such problems have naturally been already solved using the Great Firewall of China.

Interestingly, a traceroute to www.tibet.com (what Google comes up with for the query "official website of the Tibetan Government in exile") ends up at plato.aristotle.net. www.aristotle.net is an ISP in Arkansas. That ain't in Sealand, is it?

So far many of the sites are online gambling ventures. But a growing number of political groups banned in their own countries have turned to HavenCo, such as the website of the Tibetan Government in exile.

Can't help notice the website of the Government of Tibet in Exile is hosted by Arkansas-based ISP aristotle.net.

Why do I get the feeling HavenCo clients are actually entirely gambling sites?

Go do a Google search on China and human rights abuses. Or go read the State Department's report on human rights violations.Go read about how they've jailed four university professors in the past three months, including three with US citizenship or residency, for no crime greater than spreading ideas against the state. They also jailed for a month the husband and 5 year old son of one of the academics, failing to inform the US that they had done so, even though both of these people are US Citizens! (This is a major violation of international law.)

Read about how they brutally suppress religions, including everything from Falun Gong to Christianity. Read about what they've done in Tibet. Not expansionist? Read about how they backed the establishments of Communist governments in Korea and Vietnam, and how they want to take back Taiwan after 50 years of independence.

Read about the silencing of free speach in Hong Kong, the crushing of student demonstrators in Tienanmen square, the censorship of the Internet throughout China, the control and manipulation of public opinion through their state news agencies.

Go read all that, and then tell me that you welcome China.

• Offical Website of the Government of Tibet
• Int'l Tibetan Independence Movement
• Text of Treaty in which China Recognized Tibet's Independence
• Other Treaties Regarding Tibet
• Students for a Free Tibet Is there a chapter at your university or town?

• Offical Website of the Government of Tibet
• Int'l Tibetan Independence Movement
• Text of Treaty in which China Recognized Tibet's Independence
• Other Treaties Regarding Tibet
• Students for a Free Tibet Is there a chapter at your university or town?