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The webspage is https://www.waterfoxproject.or... and the link to the Android one does not work and nothing on the Google store. :-/

It's called Waterfox, https://www.waterfoxproject.or..., basically FireFox without all that teams arrogance on where you bloody tabs are, or how you search box is set out, or what settings you can change or what settings required coding that will be purposefully undone at the next update. Waterfox, Firefox without arrogance.

I prefer Waterfox since it allows me to use the same add-ons I use on the desktop. I tried the Samsung browser when I had a Samsung device and it was meh. I'm sure it being pre-installed on all Samsung devices is skewing its actual "user" base.

Well, no, it is on your computer via your network and infrastructure costs. Whilst it is on their computer it is theirs, but they send it to you and they should only send it to you via request and not attempt to force it's use via the nature of the software in use.

I run a mod on Waterfox https://www.waterfoxproject.or... for this but it should be an end user choice, just like the position of the tab bar which put me right off firefox. The team have a horribly tendency to force their choices on end users.

All I need to know is what https://www.waterfoxproject.or.... Firefox further back in the river of time, still updated but doesn't force retentive arrogant choices on you but hey, that is what Mozzila is all about, there can be more than 'ONE', many more than one. Run them both and have SteamFox (there you go Steam start distributing your own Mozilla based browser for browser based games distributed by Steam).

Try Waterfox and you won't regret it. Its a clean Firefox, also for Android.

Geeks need to go back to Firefox. It isn't made by an OS vendor or an advertising agency, it doesn't snoop on you, and it is completely open source.

Oh, really?

There are browsers that claim not to collect user data such as Iceweasel-UXP, Palemoon and Waterfox.

Install uMatrix or your favorite script/annoyances blocker, among other measures (such as blocking video autoplay, flash, etc).

Use a browser that lets you disable "multi process", I know Waterfox allows this. Others let you change the number of threads, I set those to 1.

Configure it to always start your last open tabs, that way you can close and open the browser periodically (don't leave it open unattended).

The current browser developer mindset is that THEY are the OS, they will eat all your cpu cores and ram because only they matter, they don't behave well to the other running apps...

I'd rather have a slower browser that leaves a lean OS than a fast browser that makes everything else grind to a halt. This is why i tend to use Firefox forks, but not Firefox itself because that has gone too bloated. Chromium is a backup, i keep to very few tabs and close asap, because it WILL eat your resources, like it or not..

How's all those personal information stealing STDs working out for you? Blurry text can be treated by drinking water

Does Waterfox support ALSA without pulseaudio? I cannot seem to find an answer to that on the Waterfox site. Pale Moon works perfectly with ALSA on the lennart-freed Devuan and Heads systems I support.

Yes it does. See here:

What's new in Waterfox 52.0.2? ...

  Disabled PulseAudio and enabled ALSA for Linux builds

Thank you! I DL'ed Waterfox and it properly supports ALSA without PulseAudio, so I'm in the process of installing it on other machines. I think they should tout that on their main page. Cheers!

People seem to be developing a comprehensive archive of Mozilla legacy extensions for continued use in Waterfox. Preserving comments and ratings is still important. Will people at Internet Archive and Software Heritage give their part of the larger task appropriate effort?

Waterfox, Its Legacy and Looking to the Future

Legacy Extensions Database #303

Waterfox the developer mentioned somewhere that he made a backup of the addons.

People seem to be developing a comprehensive archive of Mozilla legacy extensions for continued use in Waterfox. Preserving comments and ratings is still important. Will people at Internet Archive and Software Heritage give their part of the larger task appropriate effort?

Waterfox, Its Legacy and Looking to the Future

Legacy Extensions Database #303

Waterfox the developer mentioned somewhere that he made a backup of the addons.

Does Waterfox support ALSA without pulseaudio? I cannot seem to find an answer to that on the Waterfox site. Pale Moon works perfectly with ALSA on the lennart-freed Devuan and Heads systems I support.

Yes it does. See here:

What's new in Waterfox 52.0.2? ...
  Disabled PulseAudio and enabled ALSA for Linux builds

Tobin treats Tor users like garbage, no thanks.
Waterfox it is.

Waterfox the developer mentioned somewhere that he made a backup of the addons.

Any day now...

Done

Let's not be forking naughty, I much prefer https://www.waterfoxproject.or..., because it let's me do things the old way, a bit slower but who cares performance is not everything. Just because it is faster does not make it better, cough, cough, just ask women about the testicular excitability of men, well, men they like, men they dislike and just fuck for money and want it over as fast a possible, high performance, as in faster being more high performance than slower, high performance all the way I suppose ;D.

Car analogy, drive around in an uncomfortable, shit to drive but idiot poseur value super car(that would be super useless I guess) or drive around in a comfortable slow and convenient mid size fuel efficient hybrid or all electric SUV, whose design hasn't really changed much in years because it works.

Waterfox because it works like you are used to and happy with. Forking Mozilla, well, isn't that the whole idea of FOSS. I will not try firefox again until the allow easy relocation of the tabs to below the address bar, a configuration setting, no editing nothing, grrr, stubborn ;).

Same here, but I use WaterFox on my Mac. It appears PaleMoon is not on mac, yet.

https://www.waterfoxproject.or...

It's available for MacOS: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewforum.php?f=41

Same here, but I use WaterFox on my Mac. It appears PaleMoon is not on mac, yet.

https://www.waterfoxproject.or...

This is why I'm using uMatrix with Waterfox. The "modern" web has gone out of control, and you need to filter the crap out of it, starting with tracking, ads, and of course not needed junk like fonts or rogue scripts mining Monero or whatnot.

uMatrix handles everything beautifully, and remembers per site settings.

Sometimes my internet degrades so much that i have needed the old fashioned Netscape block image button, for that i got image-block, another extension that has saved when every little byte counts.

Also Waterfox with the classic theme restorer is an unbeatable combo for a decent classic UI.

Not always, try this on https://www.waterfoxproject.or.... See Firefox rebraded and now becoming much more popular.

I never did understand why the fuck all of a sudden Mozilla demanded stupid shit, like where the tabs must be, seriously who ever are the dickbrains they forced that GFYs.

So message to Mozilla don't rebrand, just stop being dick brains and ask for feedback before changing things. Doing it after, is really arrogant, so fucking American, barely doing after you implement changes so much worse, so fucking Texan (American exceptionalism on peyote, totally delusional).

WaterFox == Firefox rebranded and without the change for change's sake. How likely am I to switch back to Firefox, well, honestly make Firefox more like Waterfox and I will ;D. Forks what FOSS is all about (tabs below the address bar out of the box or bugger off).

Close but you missed. Why does Google want https to dominate over http, simply because it get's in first. It knows what is at the https site and it knows you and it knows you have accessed that site and it can track subsequent interactions. So https disadvantages many of it's competitors, cuts them off from that information , so not about digging further into your privacy they have already dug as deeply as they can and we are filling that hole back up again as quickly as we can taking into account high levels of government corruption across the globe. This is simply a matter of what hurts their competitors advantages them, if you are not using https://duckduckgo.com/?q=duck... and switched to waterfox https://www.waterfoxproject.or..., then you are a bloody idiot. Want to control Google, too fucking easy, stop using them, let them feel the punishment though, target something specific, like stop using google search and get as many others as you can to do the same and get them to share it further. Unhappy with google, then punish them, use duckduckgo, I promise it is really actually better and I still use google maps and of course not gmail, and I watch youtube, except where they broke it on my smarttv on fucking purpose to try to force me to buy chrome tv which I never will and I set cookies session only for google thus am always logged out, until I log in temporarily. They area a pretty shit company and totally no worthy of customer loyalty, use them, abuse them, get sick of them and toss them aside, as you see fit.

I'm using Waterfox, currently based on Firefox 56, and there is an option "Enable multi-process" you can turn off (and I did), the browser is now lean, fast and more importantly won't eat your memory like chromium does.

One thing the Chrome crowd doesn't get is that Chrome is not the only program you want running, so it shouldn't be hogging resources from everything else in the name of "speed", which is ironic because in Linux (across distros) my experience with chromium/chrome is always the same: Fine the first minutes but then it starts swapping and making the desktop unusable if you open/load 10+ tabs or so.

I still use chromium but only for couple of tabs, mostly youtube or anything requiring audio playback (as chromium lets you pick the ALSA device you want), but for heavy browsing Waterfox it is.

Avaliable here

Thanks for the information. My biggest hang-up is Waze. I was disappointed when Google bought them since I knew it was only a matter of time before they screwed it up. Sure enough an update this week implemented Google's "flat" or material design UI and now it looks like a 2 year old's drawing. I'll take a look at the other apps. For my browser I've had great success with Waterfox. It's only recently been ported to Android but it works well and since I use it on all of my other devices the interface is the same across everything I use from Linux to Windows.

I have been using Firefox since when it was only part of mozilla, but I have since moved to Waterfox, because I have not been able to replace my old extensions. And the newer version of my old extensions, e.g. noscript, really slow down the new firefox browser.

https://www.waterfoxproject.or...

Of course if you just want the old Firefox and think Quantum sucks dead dogs balls and who fucking cares how fast it sucks them, there is always https://www.waterfoxproject.or.... After fighting with mulefox (stubborn lot) for months it was such a relief to switch to waterfox.

Ahh the pleasures of FOSS and the freedom of choice it provides. How stubborn am I about my tabs being below the address bar, end of time maties, end of fucking time ;D.

You need a major corporate player, with a record for privacy invasiveness and stealing ideas as well as a willingness to corrupt the democratic process to feed their ego and an extremely autocratic bent to forcing their asexual peccadillos on the rest of us, to have an inside line on your companies activities. The ability to data mine all your staffs digital discussions. Seriously the company that does evil by it's own definitions, why, just why?

Seriously modern corporation, I would not trust Google with anything, except what it can uniquely provide, Google Maps, for everything else, someone else, they have straight up proven they can not be trusted. For search https://duckduckgo.com/?q=duck..., for office apps https://www.libreoffice.org/, browser https://www.waterfoxproject.or... (I know firefox is all chromey but yeah, NAAHHH). Email, seriously serve your own, or if you want more reliable rent a private maintained email server in a local server farm. Messaging https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/..., keeping in mind messaging beyond marketing hype and bullshit, is more counter productive than productive, honestly.

Or waterfox.

But it's stuck at Firefox 56, which is now two major versions behind. Consequently Waterfox doesn't have things like the new WebAssembly compiler. Compare Waterfox and Firefox in this WebAssembly compilation benchmark.

The Waterfox project says they'll be developing a “new” browser, whatever that means. Maybe they'll be switching engines to Blink or WebKit.

What's the deal with all the browser Slashvertisements over the last year?
"Chrome has new feature"
"Firefox has impoved its privacy-related features (yeah right)"
"IE made some performance improvements"

If Slashdot were still run by the original owners, you'd see stories about browsers that are way better - you know, with the basic fundamental feature of not being made to intetionally track you, unlike these three.

Palemoon
http://www.palemoon.org/
Waterfox
https://www.waterfoxproject.or...

ADblockers do not block ads per se. They block scipts and elements of web pages. So Salon wants to be a dick, the adblockers will find the script and block it, good luck the morons at Salon. Can't run shit on a browser that is properly configured for example by https://noscript.net/ runs fine on https://www.waterfoxproject.or... (if you hate quantum and preferred the previous layouts easiest way to go.), excluding of course any browser out of M$, they control it and make no mistake and it will serve compulsory M$ ads, I waiting for the boot up ad, you now ad kicks in at boot and you have to interact with the add at the appropriate points for the next 10 minutes else the computer will complete the boot.

Well, that thing that is now two releases ahead of Waterfox. Waterfox is stuck at Firefox 56. They say they'll be developing a "new" browser, but it's unclear what that means exactly.

For the most part yes. From the Waterfox site:

Features Disabled Encrypted Media Extensions (EME)
Disabled Web Runtime (deprecated as of 2015)
Removed Pocket
Removed Telemetry
Removed data collection
Removed startup profiling
Allow running of all 64-Bit NPAPI plugins
Allow running of unsigned extensions
Removal of Sponsored Tiles on New Tab Page
Addition of Duplicate Tab option
Locale selector in about:preferences > General


And from the developer Alex Kontos:

"Quantum is already a part of Waterfox. It was just a collection of improvements in various aspects of the browser made at the same time, so Mozilla just decided to use the umbrella term Quantum so people would know that all these changes were happening. It has been going on for years, and Firefox 52+ were the finishing touches to it."

For the most part yes. From the Waterfox site:

Features Disabled Encrypted Media Extensions (EME)
Disabled Web Runtime (deprecated as of 2015)
Removed Pocket
Removed Telemetry
Removed data collection
Removed startup profiling
Allow running of all 64-Bit NPAPI plugins
Allow running of unsigned extensions
Removal of Sponsored Tiles on New Tab Page
Addition of Duplicate Tab option
Locale selector in about:preferences > General


And from the developer Alex Kontos:

"Quantum is already a part of Waterfox. It was just a collection of improvements in various aspects of the browser made at the same time, so Mozilla just decided to use the umbrella term Quantum so people would know that all these changes were happening. It has been going on for years, and Firefox 52+ were the finishing touches to it."

This! I tried Waterfox back in 2011 when it was one of the only 64 bit browsers available and never looked back. There are a few 32 bit systems I still need and I wish there were a 32 bit build for them. All the modern features of FF 56 (a new version based on 57 is in the works but it will be a while) none of the tracking nor any of the nanny features Google and Mozilla are forcing on ALL users because some people can't be trusted to not click on that suspicious link.

You might give Waterfox a try. I've been using it instead of Firefox for years. It's currently at version 56 and is based on Firefox code but maintains full NPAPI support and strips out the tracking bits.

I have a Nexus Player and a Fire tablet and have tried almost every browser available on the platform. Recently the developer for Waterfox started compiling to Android and since I use it on every other platform I can I gave it a try. Sure enough it was hands down the best experience on an Android based device I have had with a browser. And since it retains legacy plugin architecture most of your tried and true plugins should work. It is only compiled to 64 bit so you're out of luck if you're stuck on a 32 bit system.

"Use a third party build of Firefox or Chromium."

Can you recommend 3rd party builds? I need a browser that respects my choices of add-ons.

Pale Moon 64-bits seems more stable than Firefox 56.0.2, so I use Pale Moon.

Waterfox sometimes brings up a message from anti-malware software I use, "Waterfox wants to act as a server." Scary.

"... it certainly doesn't happen for everyone or even most people."

I need to do a LOT of research. I often open windows and tabs in Firefox and then need to think about what I've seen, so I leave the windows and tabs open.

Then I do other research. That often results in having many windows and tabs open. Soon Firefox begins grabbing CPU power and memory. Eventually the Windows 7 Ultimate OS becomes slow. Sometimes it appears that Firefox has made Windows unstable.

Pale Moon 64-bits seems more stable than Firefox 56.0.2, so I use Pale Moon.

Waterfox sometimes brings up a message from anti-malware software I use, "Waterfox wants to act as a server." Scary.

It seems to me that Microsoft's payments to Mozilla Foundation, through Yahoo, have been successful at doing something Microsoft wanted, apparently. During Microsoft's involvement, Firefox has been degraded by making it impossible to use popular Firefox add-ons. Yes, I accept that there have been improvements in Firefox. However, it seems to me that the transition was handled badly. Maybe that was the intention of someone wanting to lower the usage of Firefox.

This is just Firefox trying to be a source of telemetry. Waterfox is based on Firefox, but removes all the telemetry, sponsored ads, etc plus a bunch of security holes the Firefox team isn't addressing.

Alternatives:
Waterfox portable.
Pale Moon 64-bits
Pale Moon 32-bits
Pale Moon Portable

Ghostery does not install in Pale Moon, so I use the Disconnect extension. Disconnect's interface is not as well-designed.

If you want the speed of Quantum with NPAPI support perhaps you should get behind the developer of Waterfox. He's working on that. And the current 55.2.2 release of Waterfox is faster than Firefox in my purely anecdotal opinion.

That is my experience with Pale Moon, also. The latest version, 27.6.0 (64-bits), is far more stable than Firefox. Recently I had to do a lot of research. I had 55 windows and 135 tabs open. There were no problems.

Pale Moon 64-bits

Pale Moon 32-bits

Pale Moon Portable

Ghostery does not install in Pale Moon, so I use the Disconnect extension.

I like Waterfox portable.

Ditto for Waterfox

https://www.waterfoxproject.or...
A fork that continues 'legacy' support.

Waterfox, a fork that supports 'legacy' extensions and better privacy by default.
https://www.waterfoxproject.or...

Unfortunately, Firefox is getting neutered with the release of version 57.

You don't have to give up add-ons just because Firefox is. I've been using Waterfox for years. It uses the current Firefox code but doesn't disable add-ons and it strips out all the tracking Mozilla puts in. The guy who maintains it started it as a 64 bit version of Firefox before Mozilla released one. I liked it so much I never switched back even when Mozilla released a 64 bit Firefox. He recently released an Android port and I even replaced Chrome on my device with it.

Just use Waterfox: https://www.waterfoxproject.or... it also removes a lot of other annoyances. The beauty of open source is you can just fork them.

Until two or three versions from now, when [the "Enable DRM" checkbox] is removed from Preferences and can only be toggled via about:config, or five or six versions of Firefox later when even that is removed...

At that point, Firefox users can switch to a fork that omits support for proprietary CDMs, such as Waterfox. If Mozilla makes support for proprietary CDMs mandatory, I'd bet money Debian will either revive the Iceweasel brand or package IceCat.

Might I suggest Waterfox? It's based on the current Firefox code but strips out the tracking and puts NPAPI plugins back. It runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux. No mobile version yet.