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You mean the computers all update themselves automatically from a central server, or is it something else?

have you checked out Ximian's RedCarpet?

You have a really good point. I was there for a long time. I started with DOS, then Windows 3.1, made the jump to apple for a few years and then came back to Windows when W2K came out. For the last year or two I have installed and reinstalled various different version of RH and Mandrake, along with attempting to install PPCLinux (a RH distro). Each time I would be okay for a few days, and then I would find some major thing I couldn't do that I needed to... and back to Windows I went.

When RH 9 came out, I was really hesitant to try it as my main desktop, so installed it on my extra machine (I have two at work). There I messed with it for a while, making sure that I could do everything I wanted. There are tons of GUI tools built into both KDE and GNOME. Along with ton's of help groups.google.com. After a few weeks, I decided I was ready for the switch.

I have been using RH9 with Ximian (mod of GNOME) as my desktop (which you have to install separately). I have KDE installed so that I can use some of there apps for burning and media and such. I have Crossover Office installed to run Excel and Word. I will admit I am on my second install, don't know why, but the first one got hosed (I think it had something to do with recompiling glibc). But since the second install, I have been fine. There isn't anything I can't do that I could on Windows. It a bit faster, and I had no trouble with the worms that were floating around.

A couple things I can say are:

1) installing with a flat Workstation/Server/etc. install doesn't typically give you ever thing you need.

2) the groups are you friend. Every question you can think of has been asked.

While Redhat may not be the best distro (I personally couldn't say), there are a ton of people using it, therefore there is tons of support for it.

That's my 2 cents ... (** flame away **)

groan...

BTW, the author's links failed for me when there were only 4 comments posted here. Makes me wonder how long before someone starts coding sites that say, "Hmmm... the referer is slashdot.org, so don't deliver a page"... ;-)

nanoscope you GOATSE LICKInG CUNT!

PISS ON MY MONKEY!

If you're serious, it's Ximian Desktop 2, although I find it odd that someone with such a low user id would ask in such an lame way.

Can I turn off HTML email in Outlook?

Um, uh... No! Yeah, there's no way to turn off HTML mail in Outlook. Yeah. Outlook has no provisions for safe email reading.

To be completely safe, you should... Uh... delete Outlook entirely. Mmm, yeah, delete it. Outlook gone. Perfectly safe. Yeah, that's it...

Then you can safely install a safe email program, like... Er... Mozilla! Yeah! Or Evolution! Yeah, Evolution. I use it. And so does my wife... Morgan Fairchild...

Schwab

Ximian Connector for Evolution will allow a desktop Linux box to make use of the functionality of an Exchange server, just like Outlook 2000 does.

Looks like ximain has more monkey names to use.

The nice thing is that Michael Meeks talked about porting OpenOffice to GTK at FOSDEM , also he has mentioned the same thing on one of the GNOME mailing lists (can't be bothered to look this up).

Miguel de Icaza too has said that time is better spent on improving OpenOffice rather than working on say Gnumeric (which he wrote part of too).

So, nothing concrete but who knows, maybe Michael wil work on integrating OpenOffice with GNOME some day. Another possibility is that Sun will do the integration after they switch to GNOME (perhaps they could pay Ximian to do this for them?).

What are you smoking. .NET already portable. If the class definitions for any objects in the .NET api change, it is TRIVIAL to update these classes in Mono.

Isn't that what Ximian Evolution is all about?

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Until they're more like OE, I'm not switching...
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I use PINE myself, however, my work mate uses Evolution. He says it mimicks Outlook VERY well. (Well, it doesn't handle stupid VBA viruses though! :) But you probably don't want that 'feature' anyways!)

Anyone know if Evolution will spread this virus? Since it's supposed to be compatible with Outlook? And if not, does that mean that the Ximian people will have to take the compatibility claim off of the website? ;)

Anyone know if Evolution will spread this virus? Since it's supposed to be compatible with Outlook? And if not, does that mean that the Ximian people will have to take the compatibility claim off of the website? ;)

No, they just stole the graphics and ideas from Winamp. It's pretty much in the traditional of many, many, many open source projects.

Is it really that hard to type "dpkg -i foo.deb" (or whatever the rpm equivalent is)? Or use a GUI frontend that does the equivalent?

Maybe not to the latter, but a hearty yes to the former. (Shouldn't this thread have been posted under the "Linux Desktop Obituary" story?)

It is no longer considered reasonable to ask the average user to memorize console commands. Joe Blow shouldn't have to remember the various arguments to dpkg (or apt-get, or rpm). The package management software should handle it for him, which is why I continue to hold high hopes for dselect and Red Carpet.

Sooner or later, two things will come to pass. First, there will be an open source office suite worth the hard drive space it occupies. Second, some distribution will have the balls to do an "express, idiot-proof" install, which dumbs the interface down to something like a net kiosk. When that happens, everyone who claimed that desktop Linux is dead will stand around blinking for a few minutes, wondering what just happened, while the rest of us breathe a sigh of relief and go to install the damn thing on our grandmothers' computers.

Link: http://www.ximian.org/tech/bonobo.php3

Bonobo is the GNOME component framework. Gnumeric and Evolution both make heavy use of Bonobo components, which can be reused to solve new problems in the future.
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When I use QT based environments, I feel like I am using a windows95 machine. The simple fact is that QT was designed to be used by windows converts, and was designed to work on a variety of platforms. It is not designed specifically for linux like gnome is, and so does not have a soul.

Many innovations found in GNOME are direct attempts to "ape" Microsoft, from compound documents to an implementation of Visual Basic for GNOME. Not that this is (all) bad; MS came up with some pretty good software design strategies, and GNOME is smart to follow the good ones.

That having been said, I use both KDE (on my home desktop) and GNOME (at work). They're basically the same as far as I can tell, from a UI point of view. There's a couple of minor differences (it's easier to use workspaces in GNOME; it's easier to set fonts in KDE; I like Konsole better; I like GTK's look-and-feel better), but they basically do the same things as each other, and both better than Windows. Which I think is the point.

GNOME is no longer designed specifically for Linux, as GNOME now must be working on Solaris and FreeBSD before it can be released.

If QT3 is to have any chance against gnome, it must become specific - it must become a pure linux environment.

Not bloody likely. In fact, one could argue that using a cross-platform environment such as Qt or wxWindows is closer to the hacker ethic of "solve the problem once." In fact, part of Python's success as a GUI building language is wxPython. I've also heard of cases where Qt/Python is used to build GUIs for software that's meant to run on Windows and UNIX, although that involves some expense...Qt is NOT GPL'd for Windows!!

OK, that's my two cents.

ObJectBridge (GPL'd Java ODMG) needs volunteers.

When I use QT based environments, I feel like I am using a windows95 machine. The simple fact is that QT was designed to be used by windows converts, and was designed to work on a variety of platforms. It is not designed specifically for linux like gnome is, and so does not have a soul.

Many innovations found in GNOME are direct attempts to "ape" Microsoft, from compound documents to an implementation of Visual Basic for GNOME. Not that this is (all) bad; MS came up with some pretty good software design strategies, and GNOME is smart to follow the good ones.

That having been said, I use both KDE (on my home desktop) and GNOME (at work). They're basically the same as far as I can tell, from a UI point of view. There's a couple of minor differences (it's easier to use workspaces in GNOME; it's easier to set fonts in KDE; I like Konsole better; I like GTK's look-and-feel better), but they basically do the same things as each other, and both better than Windows. Which I think is the point.

GNOME is no longer designed specifically for Linux, as GNOME now must be working on Solaris and FreeBSD before it can be released.

If QT3 is to have any chance against gnome, it must become specific - it must become a pure linux environment.

Not bloody likely. In fact, one could argue that using a cross-platform environment such as Qt or wxWindows is closer to the hacker ethic of "solve the problem once." In fact, part of Python's success as a GUI building language is wxPython. I've also heard of cases where Qt/Python is used to build GUIs for software that's meant to run on Windows and UNIX, although that involves some expense...Qt is NOT GPL'd for Windows!!

OK, that's my two cents.

ObJectBridge (GPL'd Java ODMG) needs volunteers.

Not bizarre. Bazaar.

No need to kneel before the altar every month and make offerings of gold. No need to present your machine to the monks when you want it upgraded. Most of all, no need to trust the Cathedral with your private data.

Indeed, you are allowed to commune with the gods of software themselves, who know little of MarketSpeak, but are honest, direct, and often very funny. Moreover, should one be so inclined, one can become one of them (what heresy!), without shaving one's head nor wearing a badge, without even leaving the comfy confines of one's own lair. But if one doesn't want to, one doesn't have to do that, either. Yea, verily, there is even now being made a version of the Penguin specifically for those seeking escape from the Cathedral.

Of course, with this freedom comes responsibility.... but even that can be made easy. But no longer do you have to be dependent on the Cathedral to get your computing fix.

It comes to mind that the last time somebody said you could talk to G-d directly without having to part with your gold at the door of the cathedral they fought several bloody wars over it...

This will rock! See http://www.ximian.org/newsitems/hp-partnership.php 3 for more info.