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England is the most conservative and Windows-fixated backarse of Europe.

No, that would be Denmark. (Yeah, we suck over here. Almost as much as the Dutch ;)
See Firefox usage, march '07
Interestingly I can honestly say that I only know about one person who hasn't embraced the Fox. Who the hell are all those people ?

Yes, Firefox usage is very high in Poland, according to Xiti Monitor. In fact, the second-highest in Europe. They show a corridor of high Firefox usage in Central Europe, running from Poland to Slovenia. Check out their last report for the red countries on the map.

And then there's XiTi Monitor: http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/browsers-barometer/firefox-march-2008/index-1-2-3-127.html

You're right.

I tried to submit this story to Slashdot some 6-7 hours ago, when it was still not mentioned. So I happen to have the link to the original report :-)

Relaunch of Mozilla Firefox's visit share in the European countries at the end of 2007

For more information about XiTi in general, visit their corp. homepage.

:-)

- Jesper

The site's in French, but FF numbers are the lower in the UK than anywhere else in Europe -- and according to this report, it actually shrunk this fall. (Search for "Royaume-Uni" for the UK's numbers).

Last time I checked, IE's still number one in the UK, and its share seems to be growing. Anyone know why?

And yeah, I know FF isn't Linux or OO -- but its IS free, and it IS open source. And IMHO, its MUCH more accessible for the laypeople than Linux or OO.

Now, if we could only be more like the Aussies . . . .

I don't know... ~12% of the market is still quite a large number of people.

27% in europe, over 40% in some countries.

http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/browsers-barometer/firefox-september-2007/index-1-2-3-110.html

Yeah the w3schools stat of 34% firefox is higher than the global average. The Wikipedia page on browser share summarizes statistics from a wide variety of sources (and includes links, of course). As can be seen, the values vary depending the location and types of sites used in the stats. According to some reports, Firefox is nearing 28% usage across Europe. The global stats for generic sites seem to agree that Firefox usage is 12%-15%, versus Internet Explorer (all versions) being 75%-84%.

Still, this is a huge shift from the 96% share IE had a few years back. The fact that some sites get 30% Firefox usage (actually I run a small site that gets 46% Firefox) means that web developers can no longer ignore coding to standards. This is a good thing.

11% in 2006: ZDNet article
19% now: study (French), this is far below the ~25% European average.

IE is extremely prevalent in the UK.

Not directly related, but Hungary is very much into open source. Also, according to google analytics for my open source project, I get quite a few hits from Hungary. And remember European Firefox usage from a few weeks ago? Hungary is one of the leading adopters of Firefox in the world. I wonder if this kind of IT culture has any bearing on how hard they will go after M$.

Thanks for the link. From there I went a step further and checked the OS reported.

http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/internet-users-eq uipment/operating-systems-may-2007/index-1-2-7-100 .html

What I found amusing is Vista finaly passed Windows 2000 Professional and Mac OS. The overall Windows share is shrinking which is mostly picked up by Mac OS.

I hope they keep the site updated. The last datapoint is May 2007.

It is no wonder if you see low statistics in UK. That is because it is one of the worst countries in Firefox market share:

Slovenia 47.9%
Finland 45.4%
Slovakia 40.4%

6 nations 35-40% ( Ireland jumped here (55% more users since last monitoring 4 months ago) and now has 38.6% share )
6 nations 30-35%
0 nations 25-30%
8 nations 20-25%
8 nations 15-20% ( UK is here with 18.7% )

http://www.xitimonitor.com/fr-fr/barometre-des-nav igateurs/firefox-juillet-2007/index-1-1-3-102.html

While the article doesn't mention how, a previous study on XiTiMonitor's site shows that they're using share of visits by each browser type to the sites in question.

When they ware talking about support I was talking about company's that could retrain this large number of people using this new office software. The truth is there is just a few small company's offering Open Office training in our language right now. It's a small company and the only company offering this kind of training (low demand) in our country so prices for Open Office courses are variable because there is no market that could control/lower price. This is the kind of support I was talking about. I know there is no problem with technical support for Open Office. It's true even with Microsoft's new versions of Office suite they have to retrain people.

Gradual adoption of Open Office could be even cheaper. Just install Open Office besides MS Office...right ??Where is the catch? If they do that they spoil partnership with Microsoft what will on the end probably raise prices for MS software/computer.

We all know it's all about keeping a good relationship with Microsoft that they depend on.That's probably also why they don't put public documents on .gov sites. Good old vendor lock in.So ideal transformation to ODF would be.

-give them a good way to convert old .doc documents to ODF (large scale document conversion)
-have a large number of teachers for Open Office suite in the country
-switch without raising prices for MS software that they still depend on (this is probably the RISK they didn't mention in report)
-good technical support (that probably isn't such a big problem)
-more Munich examples to convince them to switch to new OS (so that MS dependency doesn't exist any more)
-awareness of existence of Open Office suite in the country

Just in case you don't know Slovenia has largest percent of Firefox users in the world http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-US/Technicals/index- 1-2-3-52.html so trust in OSS in general is high.The truth is most people don't even know they are using OSS with Firefox they just know it works.

In some Europe countries more than 30% of users use Firefox (39% in Slovenia!). Europe's average is much lower though - 21.9%. In UK Firefox has only 11.8% share. Xitimonitor also reports that over the weekend Europe's average rises to 24%. More stats on: http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-US/Technicals/index- 1-2-3-52.html

# Are way ahead when it comes to stanards, (think about their take on IE and ODF)

Not the UK, which is consistently much lower than even the US, mainly due to Blair sucking up to Gates as much as Bush. The BBC's love for microsoft doesn't do any favours either.

http://www.xitimonitor.com/etudes/equipement13.asp ?xtor=6

I don't know about the US, but according to European statistics, Firefox usage is above 20% in average in Europe, and increasing consistently.

By Xiti

Regards.

This is the original news piece (french) which shows much larger statistics. http://www.xitimonitor.com/etudes/equipement12.asp ?xtor=6/

That is old article. The new article shows the right percentages and also that there is no difference between weekends and work days anymore(the difference is less than 0.1%):
http://www.xitimonitor.com/etudes/equipement13.asp

It's well known that Opera has a much higher usage share in Europe than in other parts of the world. I've seen the map showing Firefox usage per country, but I'd like to see what the IE, Opera, and Safari figures are as well. Maybe a map that turns each country into a pie chart with the top four?

Percentages all over Europe (in french, but the pretty pictures speak for themselves).

Not in itself all that meaningful, perhaps (other than that the average has now reached over 20% for Europe worldwide), but when you see the changes through previous editions:

1. current
2. 12
3. 11
4. 10
5. 8
6. 7
7. 6

...you get a pretty decent idea of the growth. (Anyone want to turn that into an animated gif?)

For the record, here's their map of the world, showing ~15.88% in the USA, and 18.60% in Australia. And finally, the difference between percentages during the weekend and during the week appears to be 0.05% (if I interpret that graph correctly)

Percentages all over Europe (in french, but the pretty pictures speak for themselves).

Not in itself all that meaningful, perhaps (other than that the average has now reached over 20% for Europe worldwide), but when you see the changes through previous editions:

1. current
2. 12
3. 11
4. 10
5. 8
6. 7
7. 6

...you get a pretty decent idea of the growth. (Anyone want to turn that into an animated gif?)

For the record, here's their map of the world, showing ~15.88% in the USA, and 18.60% in Australia. And finally, the difference between percentages during the weekend and during the week appears to be 0.05% (if I interpret that graph correctly)

Percentages all over Europe (in french, but the pretty pictures speak for themselves).

Not in itself all that meaningful, perhaps (other than that the average has now reached over 20% for Europe worldwide), but when you see the changes through previous editions:

1. current
2. 12
3. 11
4. 10
5. 8
6. 7
7. 6

...you get a pretty decent idea of the growth. (Anyone want to turn that into an animated gif?)

For the record, here's their map of the world, showing ~15.88% in the USA, and 18.60% in Australia. And finally, the difference between percentages during the weekend and during the week appears to be 0.05% (if I interpret that graph correctly)

Percentages all over Europe (in french, but the pretty pictures speak for themselves).

Not in itself all that meaningful, perhaps (other than that the average has now reached over 20% for Europe worldwide), but when you see the changes through previous editions:

1. current
2. 12
3. 11
4. 10
5. 8
6. 7
7. 6

...you get a pretty decent idea of the growth. (Anyone want to turn that into an animated gif?)

For the record, here's their map of the world, showing ~15.88% in the USA, and 18.60% in Australia. And finally, the difference between percentages during the weekend and during the week appears to be 0.05% (if I interpret that graph correctly)

Percentages all over Europe (in french, but the pretty pictures speak for themselves).

Not in itself all that meaningful, perhaps (other than that the average has now reached over 20% for Europe worldwide), but when you see the changes through previous editions:

1. current
2. 12
3. 11
4. 10
5. 8
6. 7
7. 6

...you get a pretty decent idea of the growth. (Anyone want to turn that into an animated gif?)

For the record, here's their map of the world, showing ~15.88% in the USA, and 18.60% in Australia. And finally, the difference between percentages during the weekend and during the week appears to be 0.05% (if I interpret that graph correctly)

Percentages all over Europe (in french, but the pretty pictures speak for themselves).

Not in itself all that meaningful, perhaps (other than that the average has now reached over 20% for Europe worldwide), but when you see the changes through previous editions:

1. current
2. 12
3. 11
4. 10
5. 8
6. 7
7. 6

...you get a pretty decent idea of the growth. (Anyone want to turn that into an animated gif?)

For the record, here's their map of the world, showing ~15.88% in the USA, and 18.60% in Australia. And finally, the difference between percentages during the weekend and during the week appears to be 0.05% (if I interpret that graph correctly)

Percentages all over Europe (in french, but the pretty pictures speak for themselves).

Not in itself all that meaningful, perhaps (other than that the average has now reached over 20% for Europe worldwide), but when you see the changes through previous editions:

1. current
2. 12
3. 11
4. 10
5. 8
6. 7
7. 6

...you get a pretty decent idea of the growth. (Anyone want to turn that into an animated gif?)

For the record, here's their map of the world, showing ~15.88% in the USA, and 18.60% in Australia. And finally, the difference between percentages during the weekend and during the week appears to be 0.05% (if I interpret that graph correctly)

Percentages all over Europe (in french, but the pretty pictures speak for themselves).

Not in itself all that meaningful, perhaps (other than that the average has now reached over 20% for Europe worldwide), but when you see the changes through previous editions:

1. current
2. 12
3. 11
4. 10
5. 8
6. 7
7. 6

...you get a pretty decent idea of the growth. (Anyone want to turn that into an animated gif?)

For the record, here's their map of the world, showing ~15.88% in the USA, and 18.60% in Australia. And finally, the difference between percentages during the weekend and during the week appears to be 0.05% (if I interpret that graph correctly)

Percentages all over Europe (in french, but the pretty pictures speak for themselves).

Not in itself all that meaningful, perhaps (other than that the average has now reached over 20% for Europe worldwide), but when you see the changes through previous editions:

1. current
2. 12
3. 11
4. 10
5. 8
6. 7
7. 6

...you get a pretty decent idea of the growth. (Anyone want to turn that into an animated gif?)

For the record, here's their map of the world, showing ~15.88% in the USA, and 18.60% in Australia. And finally, the difference between percentages during the weekend and during the week appears to be 0.05% (if I interpret that graph correctly)

Percentages all over Europe (in french, but the pretty pictures speak for themselves).

Not in itself all that meaningful, perhaps (other than that the average has now reached over 20% for Europe worldwide), but when you see the changes through previous editions:

1. current
2. 12
3. 11
4. 10
5. 8
6. 7
7. 6

...you get a pretty decent idea of the growth. (Anyone want to turn that into an animated gif?)

For the record, here's their map of the world, showing ~15.88% in the USA, and 18.60% in Australia. And finally, the difference between percentages during the weekend and during the week appears to be 0.05% (if I interpret that graph correctly)

Yeah, but Europe is leading with a usage 20.11%

I wonder why the poster didn't link to the original study:
http://www.xitimonitor.com/etudes/equipement13.asp

They also mention that they made the measurement on a monday too without a notable difference.

The fact that all the measurements were taken on a Sunday means that the figure isn't accurate for the whole market, though, since business PCs tend to have lower Firefox usage rates.

But you can understand the graphs, maps and tables without difficulty. Perhaps it would be nice to understand the methodology.

AFAIK Firefox is not afraid of competition. It even seems to be winning in the currently existing competition:
http://www.xitimonitor.com/etudes/equipement12.asp

The subject of Critical Mass for Firefox is an interesting one; we can perhaps estimate when it will arrive by looking at the first browser war. The start of the "Viewable With Any Browser" campaign is a good indication of when IE began reaching critical mass, so sometime between the release of IE 3.0 in 1996 and 4.0 in 1997. Similar to today, the vast majority of the market share was divided between just two browsers, so let's just look at the ratio of the top two browsers to one another. When IE 4.0 was released it was 72% NN and 18% IE, a 4:1 ratio. We can take this as the upper limit to critical mass.

Assuming that trends continue as they have (where IE declines are translated almost exclusively into FF gains), the 4:1 ratio will be reached when FF rises to 19% and IE slips to 76%. This has already happened in some countries (e.g. Germany) and is not far off for the U.S. (OneStat reports 81% IE and 14% FF) or Europe as a whole (XiTi reported 15% FF in September). The only question will be how long it takes...

We can estimate that as follows. To rise to 19%, FF needs to increase by about a third in the U.S. If that's proportional to overall FF downloads, the counter needs to reach ~133 M. In the 25 days since it hit 100M, there have been 5M more downloads (~200K/day). Doing the math, that means that critical mass will be reached no later than early April, 2006.

No surprise then that M$ had to uncouple IE7 from Vista; the estimated date for IE7's release is December 2005 with Vista not for a year after that. Yet I think IE7 is going to have a hard time slowing FF down since FF 1.5 is due out in December too :)

Europe is far ahead. Take a look at Xiti's map: http://www.xitimonitor.com/etudes/equipement11.asp

Those are obsolete stats. These are the current ones: XiTi.

http://www.xitimonitor.com/etudes/equipement7.asp
I'm just wondering why the market share in Europe is so much higher? I mean, I doubt that there is such a different user basis?! (The linked article talks about 20% market-share in Germany and Poland...)

Your figures seem low compared to other monitoring sites. And what do they say about browser use in Europe, Australia and Asia? Here are some figures from XTI check the link for details. I expect to see use in Asia and South America climb very soon. Australia 14.4 % Europe 14.1% North America 11.8% Asia 5.8% South America 5.2% Africa 4.3% some of the national figures in Europe are very high Finland 31% Germany 24.5% Tcheque Rep 22.4% http://www.xitimonitor.com/etudes/equipement10.asp

Finland 28.96%
Czech Rep. 24.72%
Germany 24.18%
Hungary 20.37%
Poland 20.13%
Sweden 15.91%
Switzerland 15.83%
France 15.12%
Austria 14.59%
Estonia 14.24%
Greece 14.00%
Romania 12.73%
Belgium 12.61%
U.K. 12.29%
Ireland 11.64%
Portugal 11.39%
Norway 11.20%
Spain 10.82%
Italy 10.38%
Netherland 10.20%
Monaco 09.08%
Luxemburg 08.95%
Danemark 08.48%
Lituania 03.68%