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Firefox 3 Release On Tuesday

unkgoon writes "The Mozilla Developer News blog is reporting Firefox 3 will be released on Tuesday, June 17, 2008, and you're invited to the party! From the website: 'After more than 34 months of active development, and with the contributions of thousands, we're proud to announce that we're ready. It is our expectation to ship Firefox 3 this upcoming Tuesday, June 17th. Put on your party hats and get ready to download Firefox 3 — the best web browser, period.'" Update: 06/12 17:44 GMT by T : Dan100 was among several readers to write with news that, rather than just being announced, "Opera 9.5 has been released today after nearly two years of development. New features include increased speed (particularly in the Javascript engine), Opera Link (browser synchronisation), and a 'sharp' new theme." Dan100 also links to a full changelog from 9.27.

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  1. opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    it was released today

    1. Re:opera is faster by willyhill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know why this was modded troll, Opera is faster and it was released today. "Faster" is a value judgment I suppose, but can I mod the article troll because it called Firefox "the best browser, period"?

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    2. Re:opera is faster by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Opera is faster, but my computer is so fast that you really can't tell the difference much, especially when you take into account internet connection speed. Firefox has extensions. Which is where the real advantage is.

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    3. Re:opera is faster by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 0, Troll

      Opera does not need extensions, as they are all included, and guess what, they don't open security holes like Firefox's extensions can do... Anyone serious about security would not be using the swiss cheese security that Mozilla browser brings...

    4. Re:opera is faster by Nerdposeur · · Score: 4, Funny

      Opera is faster, but my computer is so fast that you really can't tell the difference much...

      Yeah? Well my computer is so fast that it loads pages before I request them.

      Oh, who am I kidding? [sobs]

    5. Re:opera is faster by somegeekynick · · Score: 2

      Firefox has extensions. Which is where the real advantage is. Actually, some of the things you can do with extensions in Firefox are built-in functionalities in Opera. And I've found them to be much faster than a fully loaded Firefox. And having said that, I'm still a hard-core Firefox user, add-ons and all, although I'm sad to say, that I'm not as excited about the release of Fx 3 as I was prior to the release of Fx2, and that's basically because Ubuntu (and even some other major distros) decide to push out the betas in their more recent versions. Having got used to it, I can't really expect any surprises.
    6. Re:opera is faster by tristian_was_here · · Score: 1

      Simple... Don't install extensions.

    7. Re:opera is faster by immcintosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is, "faster" is absolutely not a value judgment. It's testable and quantifiable, and the claim that Opera is "faster," at least according to one benchmark, doesn't seem to be true. I won't even go into memory usage. I personally think we should reserve judgment until we can test final releases against eachother, but I think a troll mod is perfectly appropriate.

    8. Re:opera is faster by No-Cool-Nickname · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder if my wife will believe this explanation for the porn on my computer.

      Honey! I didn't type in www.sluttyteenagenubileprincesseswrestlinginpudding.com

    9. Re:opera is faster by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      The main thing I'm excited about with Firefox 3 is the memory leak fixes. I'll use my laptop, hibernate, wake the system up, and keep FireFox 2 running the whole time. After a day or two, FireFox's memory usage climbs to 500MB or more. I do have a plugin that lets me restart Firefox without losing any tabs, but it can take a good 5 minutes for Firefox to shut itself down once it gets to 500MB+. I've switched my wife to Firefox and she notices the same thing on her computer. She'll complain about her computer being slow and the first thing I'll ask is "When's the last time you restarted Firefox?" Invariably, it will have been a week and a restart of Firefox speeds her system up. From what I've heard, Firefox 3 is a lot better when it comes to memory usage.

      I also have an issue with a phantom toolbar that appears after waking up from hibernation and Flash doesn't seem to want to work right in Firefox 2 despite uninstalling and reinstalling both Firefox and Flash. I'm hoping that FireFox 3 will fix these issues also.

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    10. Re:opera is faster by arose · · Score: 1

      [benchmark needed]

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    11. Re:opera is faster by tom17 · · Score: 1

      Why don't I see these problems? I leave FF2 running for weeks on end and it stays snappy.

      Also, you don't need a plugin to prevent losing tabs on a restart, it's built in!

    12. Re:opera is faster by alpha_loopy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      swoosh.... it was a joke, ppl.. Opera is faster [because] it was released today [instead of next Tuesday]

    13. Re:opera is faster by rlk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not polite to turn on preload in Fasterfox!

    14. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem is, "faster" is absolutely not a value judgment. It's testable and quantifiable, and the claim that Opera is "faster," at least according to one benchmark, doesn't seem to be true. In context, I think maybe he meant "faster to the market" ... in that they got their update out "faster" than the Mozilla foundation did...

      -AC
    15. Re:opera is faster by arbiter1 · · Score: 1

      Opera is faster, but my computer is so fast that you really can't tell the difference much...

      Yeah? Well my computer is so fast that it loads pages before I request them.

      Oh, who am I kidding? [sobs]

      Mine is so fast is loads them before they can even be coded or updated with new news
    16. Re:opera is faster by DiarmuidBourke · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, this is somewhat true. With Opera speeddial, my 9 most viewed websites,are loaded before I request them.

    17. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whooooooosh.

    18. Re:opera is faster by immcintosh · · Score: 1

      Certainly possible with respect to the original post in this thread, but I think not with respect to the person to whom I replied. To be honest, I only framed my response in terms of the immediate parent; reading the first post it's obviously a joke.

    19. Re:opera is faster by bishiraver · · Score: 5, Informative
      That's the HTML rendering engine. That only happens when:
      • The page is loaded
      • The DOM structure is changed
      • A previously visible element is hidden, or vice versa
      • Size of an element changes
      The more important benchmark, especially for applications like google docs and other pseudo-application applications is the rewritten JavaScript engine in Opera 9.5, which is indeed extremely fast.
    20. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opera's Global Communications Officer insults the entire Free Software and Open Source movement:

      "We've had a legacy of being the browser with ads in it. We are still trying to let everyone know that we're now totally free. Free as in beer -- we're not an open source project. We're free where it counts."

      Software freedom means nothing to them. It doesn't count.

    21. Re:opera is faster by Alistar · · Score: 1

      I have some similar problems. I leave firefox running for about a week at a time before restarting it.

      However, what I find works faster is, just kill the firefox process and use the built in "Restore Session" feature to restore all your windows and tabs. I keep about 7-10 firefox windows with anywhere from 5-15 tabs in each and this works fine.

      One note though is, you do need to let it load that many. If you try using firefox while its loading all those pages it cries till you leave it alone and let it finish its business.

    22. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Only problem - looks crappy on Ubuntu - show me how I can get rid of the blurry font rendering and then we can discuss about best browser - till then FF3 rules.

    23. Re:opera is faster by Phantom+Zmoove · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more of a page from the book of Weird Al: "While your computer's crashin', mine's multitaskin' It does all my work without me even askin'"

    24. Re:opera is faster by slack_prad · · Score: 1

      it was released today but it is propryrotory!!!1
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    25. Re:opera is faster by sulfur · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am typing this from a 600 MHz / 256 MB machine that is running KDE, and I assure you that Opera is the fastest browser I tried - not even KDE-native Konqueror can match it (I've been using Opera since version 6). Websites that make heavy use of Javascript (digg, google apps, etc) are absolutely unusable in Firefox (3 had some improvements over 2, but it's still slow). While I do use Firefox on my home computer, there is no match for Opera on older machines. I wish Opera developers found a way to port AdBlock and Flashblock plugins - these are "killer" plugins that prevent me from switching to Opera completely.

      I am amazed how a closed-source app like Opera can outperform open source browsers that can supposedly integrate into the enviroment much better by such a high margin.

    26. Re:opera is faster by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      If your worried about security why are you on the Internet?

    27. Re:opera is faster by ck_808 · · Score: 1

      Also it seems to support the ability to share the bookmark file between a profile in Windows and Linux.

      Used to be able to do this in Firefox 2 but it doesn't work in 3.
      I haven't been able to share the places.sqlite file in Firefox 3 without having issues (unable to alter bookmarks in other OS ).

      Using a third party server to hold and sync bookmarks like mozilla weave isn't a solution for me.

    28. Re:opera is faster by dmsuperman · · Score: 3, Funny

      My computer loads pages before IT even requests them. Then it DELETES them before I even know I want them. Top that!

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    29. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you are better off with Opera, as it does what all the popular Firefox extensions do, without the bloat or security exploits.

    30. Re:opera is faster by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I personally suspect (although I have no proof) that is must have to do with some specific extension that a lot of people use. I've ran Firefox for weeks at a time, and only had the memory go up to about 200MB, but that's with about 15 tabs open, spread between various windows. Since so many people experience it, it must be a popular plugin. But there's enough people who experience no problems at all, that it can't be something built into the browser by default.

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    31. Re:opera is faster by Torvaun · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, that's not a real site! Getting me all excited for nothing...

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    32. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you could TRY to mod the Mozilla Development Team as "troll," but... there's really no point in calling marketers out on trolling - they've been trolling for centuries and no one really cares.

    33. Re:opera is faster by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am amazed how a closed-source app like Opera can outperform open source browsers that can supposedly integrate into the enviroment much better by such a high margin. I am not sure Firefox developers even *care* enough about speed. Unfortunately, most developers have this attitude that "I can make code as slow as I want, and Moore's law will take care of it". Optimization is seen as a waste of time.
    34. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, sure, but that's actually possible with prefetching :)

    35. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you were being funny, but FireFox can preload all the pages linked to the current page so that when you click a link, it is displayed without going to the network. So yes, pages can be loaded before you request them.

    36. Re:opera is faster by polar+red · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In my opinion, 'faster' depends nearly entirely on your connection. In that light, there are other things to consider choosing a browser. In my case the 'noscript'-extension dictates my choice for FF.

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    37. Re:opera is faster by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if readers will believe you have a wife

      Honestly, dudes, IRL I have a wife and kids! I'm just hanging out in my parent's garage while they're out of town. :-)

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    38. Re:opera is faster by Nerdposeur · · Score: 1

      This made me laugh. :) Truly, sir, you have the superior machine.

    39. Re:opera is faster by Wicko · · Score: 1

      "the best browser, period" was a quote from Mozilla's dev blog.

    40. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everything has to be open source.

    41. Re:opera is faster by No-Cool-Nickname · · Score: 1

      I haven't had sex in a month so I am either single or married 17 years...

      The main difference would be that if I was single I wouldn't have to listen to the constant bitching.

    42. Re:opera is faster by Draek · · Score: 1

      While for me, Opera is noticeably faster on my "ancient" P3 1.1 Ghz laptop with it's "miserable" 256 MBs of RAM, and I've never used an extension other than Flashblock, the functionality of which has been easily replicated in my case simply by not installing flash in the first place.

      Yeah, it's closed-source, but IMHO Opera is the best example of how a well-behaving closed-source company should be, unlike a certain fruity-flavored company loved by half of Slashdot, so in their case I'm willing to make an exception for my "Free Software whenever I can" policy.

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    43. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is, "faster" is absolutely not a value judgment. It's testable and quantifiable, and the claim that Opera is "faster," at least according to one benchmark, doesn't seem to be true. I won't even go into memory usage. I personally think we should reserve judgment until we can test final releases against eachother, but I think a troll mod is perfectly appropriate. Speed, as used in our industry, often means one of two things: real speed (which is quantifiable) and perceived speed (which isn't). One of the biggest ironies is that, in application development (which is what Firefox and Opera are), the second is more important than the first.
    44. Re:opera is faster by tsa · · Score: 1

      OK, but then we need a '+0 Humorous Troll' moderation option.

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    45. Re:opera is faster by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      Nah, I stripped my Firefox bare of extensions and it still was bloating up like crazy.

      I really don't have a clue why this happens, but I blame YouTube. (And Firefox's dumb single-process design)

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    46. Re:opera is faster by gid · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I'm amazed at home many ads are unintentionally blocked by noscript. And how few sites break because of it.

    47. Re:opera is faster by Skrapion · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

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    48. Re:opera is faster by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Funny

      Opera is faster, but my computer is so fast that you really can't tell the difference much I guess you're a Vista user.
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    49. Re:opera is faster by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      Firefox has extensions. Which is where the real advantage is.

      Bingo. I've tried Opera several times, and it seems quite a bit faster to me, but it has some serious functionality gaps compared to FF with extensions that are a deal-killer for me. Ad-block is a non-negotiable feature at this point.

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    50. Re:opera is faster by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or they realise that aslong as it works, nobody outside of slashdot cares if it renders pages in 100ms or 200.

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    51. Re:opera is faster by ThePhilips · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OMG. What'a flames.

      Mozilla/FireFox devels are performance conscious. But they target slightly different demographics. And no, 8yo computer of gp isn't their target.

      FireFox on all platforms tries to be OS friendly and conform to UI standards of the OS. Opera? - Some outdated, hacked to death, overbloated with tiny features GUI which looks and behaves differently from whatever OS you have. OMG - Opera still supports the MDI stupidity when even its own author - M$ - has declared it a major mistake in UI design.

      Opera's rendering engine is of course near perfect. While Fx team dedicates great effort to usability, all the resources Opera have spared on modern UI desing went into all the bells and whistles of HTML/XHTML/CSS/JS/etc support. No need to boast anything - they are most active member of WHATWG.

      Do not ever expect Fx to be more resource friendly (*). But do not expect Opera suddenly be conforming to OS UI standards.

      Thanks God, the iron grip of IE was lifted off WWW. Choice is all yours. Both Opera and FireFox are decent browsers - pick whatever you like.

      (*) Part of reasons why Fx has much higher resource consumptions, is because they have to provide interfaces for extensions/add-ons. Opera is monolithic - FireFox is modular. Modular app would be always slower and consume more memory. As a trade-off, you have a whole bunch of extensions to choose from to make out of your browser whatever you want.

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    52. Re:opera is faster by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      youtube uses flash which eats your ram.

      As for the single-process design, mozilla have done a microsoft, they realise that it need to be fixed but thier too worried about making extentions too hard to do anything about it.

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    53. Re:opera is faster by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Informative

      Coincidentally, Firefox 3 also has a new extremely fast JavaScript engine since beta 5. I'm not sure if it was rewritten from scratch, but it's winning some tests at least.

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    54. Re:opera is faster by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Informative
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    55. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed: NoScript is excellent, partly because it protects against JavaScript and other vulnerabilities that have not yet been discovered. Your sig: "the amount of money invested in the Iraq-war could have taken the US of oil and onto wind+solar+fusion+Hydrogen."

      It was not an investment in the war. It is embezzlement. Cheney and Bush are oil and weapons investors.

    56. Re:opera is faster by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      right so opera comes with:
      *flashblock (or an equivalent function that removes flash but puts individual items, one click away)
      *compact menus & fusion(e.g the ability to compress the entire interface a single bar, while still *having all the status bar information & tools 1 click away)
      *customise goggle (e.g a goggle page that dynamically loads the results as you scroll)
      *inline translation
      *inline search menus (e.g select the word troll and get wikiepdia/google/etc searches for it)

      and these are just the features that interest me, to anybody else they would be bloat

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    57. Re:opera is faster by Mystra_x64 · · Score: 1

      You can use Privoxy for blocking ads (filtering proxy).

      www.privoxy.org

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    58. Re:opera is faster by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or they realise that aslong as it works, nobody outside of slashdot cares if it renders pages in 100ms or 200. Years ago I saw an Opera ad and thought "Ridiculous. Internet browsing is obviously IO-bound. Having a faster browser obviously cannot improve it". When I actually tried Opera though, I was proven wrong. I then realized that other browsers were so frickin slow that yes, Opera could make internet browsing far more pleasant. I later realized that the whole "IO-bound" meme is often just an excuse for slow software... If you actually optimize the software, you find that yes, it can be made much faster.

      Mind you, I nowadays don't use Opera because it is not Free Software. I use Firefox.
    59. Re:opera is faster by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      It's called prefetching. You can enable it in pretty much all modern browsers. (In Firefox, go to about:config, change the network.prefetch-next setting to true.)

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    60. Re:opera is faster by codeboost · · Score: 1

      I wish Opera developers found a way to port AdBlock and Flashblock plugins - these are "killer" plugins that prevent me from switching to Opera completely. In Opera, right click on the page and choose Block Content.
      Now you can block any image/flash on the site.
      Is that what you're looking for ?
    61. Re:opera is faster by sulfur · · Score: 1

      It's not exactly as automated as ABP + EasyList + EasyElement. These lists take care of 95% ads without me having to manually enter each filter.

    62. Re:opera is faster by Barraketh · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't the number of tabs - it's the pages that use Ajax a lot. Try leaving a couple of Gmail tabs, and a Google calendar tab up for over a day, and it'll grind firefox to a halt.

    63. Re:opera is faster by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

      Opera? - Some outdated, hacked to death, overbloated with tiny features GUI which looks and behaves differently from whatever OS you have. OMG - Opera still supports the MDI stupidity when even its own author - M$ - has declared it a major mistake in UI design.
      This has changed a lot ever since Opera 9, and 9.5 release pushes further in this direction - for example, all the "single-letter" shortcuts are disabled by default. As for MDI, it has been disabled by default for ages, and you had to go to "Options -> Advanced" and look for a checkbox there somewhere if you wanted it. The reason why it stays, most likely, is that quite a few old-time Opera users still use it from time to time.
    64. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      Yeah? Well my computer is so fast that it loads pages before I request them.



      Oh, who am I kidding? [sobs]

      Then that must mean IE7 is the fastest browser out, because I have web pages popping up all over and I'm not requesting them either.
    65. Re:opera is faster by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm a Firefox user myself. I haven't used Opera since many years ago, but only because it is proprietary software. I don't know how things are now, but last time I used Opera it was *fast*, making internet browsing far more pleasant. I would really like for Firefox to be half as performance conscious as Opera. And, by the way, a 600 MHz / 256 MB should absolutely be able to run a web browser. To say otherwise is, in my opinion, an example of "let Moore's law take care of it" attitude. Though still not as exaggerated as the attitude of some people who claim with a straight face that "Vista should not be bashed, it simply is an OS for contemporary computers with 4 GB of RAM"

      And I loved Opera's UI when I tried it. Specifically, that it had tabs, and that I could save sessions. Only later did Firefox gain tabs, and only much later it gained anything resembling session saving (the "save tabs as a bookmark folder" feature, which is still not ideal, but mostly good enough).

      I never had an issue with Opera's UI being "different than normal". In fact, I see that, for example, some Windows software have a crazy UI but are popular. It seems to me that a native software can be as crazy as it wants (and by the way, I find it ridiculous that programmers go out of their way to make crazy UIs instead of sticking with the default), but we hold a different standard for cross-platform software: we demand that it behaves exactly like a native application. When a reviewer examines a cross-platform software, one of the most important things in his mind is "is there any difference between the way this behaves or even *looks*, and a native application?". I, personally, find this attitude ridiculous.

      In fact, it seems that one of reasons for the huge disaster that is Java UI is that Sun first had an obsession of the UI looking exactly the same on any platform, then it changed for an obsession for the UI being exactly the same as a native software. Although I concede there are far more important reasons for the train wreck that is Java UI.

    66. Re:opera is faster by Krishnoid · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Mind you, I nowadays don't use Opera because it is not Free Software. I use Firefox.

      Well, it's good of you to admit that Opera is better than Free alternatives. But based on that, a non-Free product is competing with Free alternatives and succeeding (at least in the performance arena) on its own merits and providing a good, perhaps even better quality product without acting unethically. RMS himself in his early essays would describe why Free produced better software, at least for some areas (TurboTax and its ilk is IMHO a counterexample to the Free is better argument). Where Free doesn't produce better software for one's use, shouldn't one use the best (ethically-produced) tool for the job -- I mean, it's a piece of software, not a human rights issue, right?

    67. Re:opera is faster by fireboy1919 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Minimo (based on the ff3 tree) is faster, supports more javascript, and has a smaller memory footprint than Opera does on my 400Mhz Nokia N800. Minimo runs flash better, too.

      Firefox 3 is a tipping point. It is the point at which Opera's claim of greater speed is quite arguable if not entirely unfounded. Considering that speed and portability are essentially the only things that Opera has going for it, the latest version of Firefox may actually destroy Opera's market.

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    68. Re:opera is faster by edremy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I am amazed how a closed-source app like Opera can outperform open source browsers that can supposedly integrate into the enviroment much better by such a high margin.

      Why should you be surprised that a small, focused team can make sure that outperforms software created by a huge pool? In my experience OS software is rarely if ever faster than commercial stuff.

      Linux? RTOSs like QNX blow the doors off of Linux in both speed and size

      OpenOffice. Laugh- the slowest office suite out there by a large margin. Even the bloated pig of Office2007 is quicker.

      Opera? Certainly much faster than Firefox and uses a lot less memory

      GCC? Compile time might be ok, but in terms of output optimized code speed IBM's XLC just utterly destroyed it back when I used both in grad school.

      I'm sure there are lots of others out there- OS programmers aren't somehow magically better than folks working in commercial shops. They can turn out some truly great stuff (Apache comes foremost to mind) but OS just isn't a silver bullet.

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    69. Re:opera is faster by AeroIllini · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Aren't AJAX applications changing the DOM and hiding/unhiding elements fairly frequently?

      The HTML renderer still seems important for fast operation of Google Docs.

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    70. Re:opera is faster by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      And it has to be something called AdBlock that functions *exactly* like it? This is why people use Windows rather than Linux - it can't have a pixel out of place... Why people can't use PuTTY vs an Xterm - looks diffent! Must use Photoshop as the Gimp or Paint.net have different workflows - TO THE SAME END.

      Why are the many different ways of achieving adblocking like
      1) Using a pre build list for Opera's built in content block
      2) Using Proxo/Privoxy + prebuild list
      3) Hosts file
      4) Admuncher
      5) Firewall managed ad-block

      and likely more totally unacceptable?

      All I can figure is either they aren't called Adblock and operate *slightly* differently or
      1) Too much trouble to plug in a list from time to time?
      2) Can't handle installing a program (but OK with extensions that function much like a program wrt updates etc)
      3) same as 1
      4) same as 2, costs money (I see the latter as a deterrant)
      5) same as 1,2 (Likely a plugin or built into the firewall though)

      I guess I'm biased as I've been using Proxomitron + Opera since before Phoenix existed, much less Firefox and Adblock - but it certainly isn't enough to encourage me to switch. I just don't see many ads nor mess with adblocking very often (maybe twice a year).

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    71. Re:opera is faster by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      No, the above are mostly customizations - much like Firefox.
      1) I use Proxomitron to do this since forever, can also be done with CSS etc
      2) See Opera customization forum on how to do this - people have it down to one bar, or no bars and all right click etc...
      3) Can't say I've seen this... Don't really see the point with fast forward or just clicking on the next page.
      4) Need to clarify, but translations offered from hotclick menu
      5) Same, see hotclick menu.

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    72. Re:opera is faster by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Also, Opera makes it ridiculously easy to disable all plugins for just a certain site, or all sites (even temporarily.)

    73. Re:opera is faster by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Mind you - I would say that the "does Opera have the exact FF extension feature I'm looking for" as opposed to "Can I do X in Opera" is the wrong question to ask. I could as much ask
      Can I in Firefox:
      Open pop-ups as a tab that doesn't fill the screen, but isn't a new window?
      Can I put two tabs side by side without new windows?
      Can I use Mouse Guestures, feeds, and IRC with the default install?
      Can I remove horizontal scroll with one shortcut with the default install?
      Can I double click on a tab to switch to my last open tab and back?

      And everyone would complain I'm being unfair as I don't want to install extensions... Or Firefox doesn't "work that way".

      I'd personally be more inclned to try Firefox more extensively if I wasn't told that any problem I had was likely caused by the extensions I need for my features I want, and the fix to memory bloat or whatever is not using extensions.

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    74. Re:opera is faster by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I believe Free Software is indeed about freedom. And I believe that Open Source does tend to produce the best technical results, but of course there are exceptions. Specially in areas where Open Source is not (at least yet) mature enough, possibly due to presently having too little momentum. Perhaps one example would be 3D FPS gaming, but I cannot comment because I currently rarely play games.
      I do believe that by stimulating free software I am stimulating both superior technology, economic efficiency and issues like
      1) The freedom of access to information
      2) The independence of people, including in foreign countries, from a particular corporation *
      3) Power to the people, including from repressive governments
      4) The framework (free, good quality compilers and libraries for software makers; free and good image editing tools for image makers; etc) for people to learn something, or, after learning, to express their potential

      And there is no doubt that by merely using Firefox, I help them. It is called network-effect. The network effect in software is so strong that a scientific study has found that, if not for piracy (which allows people who otherwise would use Linux to use Windows), Microsoft would undoubtedly lose to Linux. With piracy, the study found that the future is uncertain, and no winner can be predicted (and maybe there won't even be a clear winner). The reason is that each person that uses Windows (even if without paying) is one less Linux user. One more person in the market for Windows software. One more person for a windows user to turn for help. One more reason for hardware companies to develop Windows drivers. So yes, network effect is so strong that Windows has a *net benefit* from piracy.

      So I do help Free Software by merely using it, and even more when I advocate my friends to use it too, and when I help people in the forums, report bugs, etc.
      And I am always honest: I only advocate Firefox because I know that, while being (possibly) worse than Opera, it is good enough, and I don't claim it to be the best. I just claim it is very good, and much better than IE.

      * Really. I'm not the usual moon-landing 9/11 JFK conspiracy retard, but it is scary that our whole country, including the armed forces, depend on Microsoft. It is not like the USA has not deliberately leaked booby-trapped technology to the Soviets before**... There is a real-world possibility that the US government has made Microsoft put traps on Windows
      ** And, by the way, it was good. I am not your usual Soviet Union panderer either. I thank God that the Soviets are gone, and I hope the Chinese dictatorship goes away as well. Unfortunately, the reality is currently different from that, and the future seems worrisome, specially for us in Latin America...

    75. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you not tried Block Content... as a replacement for AdBlock? Also, hit F12 for a menu that lets you disable plugins (possible replacement for FlashBlock?).

    76. Re:opera is faster by Eco-Mono · · Score: 1

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    77. Re:opera is faster by KikassAssassin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The thing that really struck me about Opera when I started using it many years ago was that, not only was it a faster browser, it also had many innovative features that other browsers at the time didn't have which actually reduced the I/O limitations of browsing (such as container windows (which was always a more powerful solution than simple tabbed browsing), mouse gestures, bookmark nickname shortcuts, and more recently things like Speed Dial), and it made browsing much quicker and easier once you learned its tricks.

      Of course, Firefox has implemented most of those features, either in the browser itself or through addons, and with the proper addons, you can make Firefox function very much like Opera, but Opera still seems to be a smoother, more polished experience to me.

      They're both great browsers, though, so you really can't go wrong with either one. I tend to switch off between them just to get an idea of how they're both progressing (I've been using the Firefox 3 beta/RC for awhile, and I'm probably going to start to using Opera primarily again for awhile now that 9.5 is out).

    78. Re:opera is faster by ericvids · · Score: 1

      Yeah? Well my computer is so fast that it loads pages before I request them.

      Yeah? Well my computer is so fast that it's been doing exactly that since 1997!

      (IE4 kicks your newfangled browsers' ass, now get off my lawn!)
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    79. Re:opera is faster by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      but that's with about 15 tabs open, spread between various windows.
      15 is a pretty small number of tabs, I reckon I get over 100 sometimes.

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    80. Re:opera is faster by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      Open pop-ups as a tab that doesn't fill the screen, but isn't a new window? not entirely sure what you mean, you can open all popus in tabs. Feeds are in the default install
      The rest are available as extension well apart from horizontal scroll which is an about:config line.

      Like everything there are good and bad extensions, if you have a memory leak it is most likely caused by a bad extension, everything you've listed can (well apart from mouse gestures ive never tested the mouse gesture extensions, as I'm not into that shit) be done with very good extensions. To me an IRC cleint, a fully fledged feed reader and mouse gestures would be bloat, even if not on a code level then defiantly on an interface level.

      I'm sure opera is great if you browse the web exactly like the opera devs expect or are willing to mould yourself to their image, OTOH if you want a personalised web browser (without the hastle of coding the personalisation yourself) nothing even comes close to firefox.
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    81. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am typing this from a 600 MHz / 256 MB machine that is running KDE, and I assure you that Opera is the fastest browser I tried - not even KDE-native Konqueror can match it (I've been using Opera since version 6). Websites that make heavy use of Javascript (digg, google apps, etc) are absolutely unusable in Firefox (3 had some improvements over 2, but it's still slow). While I do use Firefox on my home computer, there is no match for Opera on older machines. I wish Opera developers found a way to port AdBlock and Flashblock plugins - these are "killer" plugins that prevent me from switching to Opera completely.

      I am amazed how a closed-source app like Opera can outperform open source browsers that can supposedly integrate into the enviroment much better by such a high margin. adblock/flashblock -> in opera, right click on the page > block content...
    82. Re:opera is faster by ultranova · · Score: 2

      The problem is, "faster" is absolutely not a value judgment. It's testable and quantifiable, and the claim that Opera is "faster," at least according to one benchmark, doesn't seem to be true.

      I don't know if Opera is faster, but Firefox has an annoying habit of freezing for a few moments when there are lots of windows/tabs open and you open a new one. It's really, really annoying - almost as annoying as its habit of crashing when there's lots windows/tabs open and I accidentally press Insert when writing a comment on Slashdot.

      I guess the fox has some memory control/fragmentation issues...

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    83. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opera is "free" Software. You can download it for free. It just isn't open source.

    84. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were quoting the website. The article didn't say that.

    85. Re:opera is faster by zxsqkty · · Score: 1

      Damn. 404 :(

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    86. Re:opera is faster by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Alright, tell me how to disable scripts from external sources before they load. Otherwise known as NoScript in Firefox.

    87. Re:opera is faster by Rallion · · Score: 1

      That shouldn't be a problem, since half the AJAX sites I visit haven't worked properly at all in Firefox since Beta 5.

    88. Re:opera is faster by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      Not for nuthin', but when I was trying out Opera, I went to the Opera forums and asked some questions as to how to come up with the same functionality. Invariably, some would come up with some convoluted hack, which I couldn't get to work and wasn't even close to the convenience of just installing an extension. If I commented that the hack was not really an equivalent functionality, I'd get commentary like yours, basically anyone who won't go through the extra pains so they could use Opera were lazy and/or stupid.

      Hey, if Opera works for you, I'm happy for you. But there seems to be a strain of Opera user that gets really surly when you find their "solutions" less than perfect.

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    89. Re:opera is faster by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

      Firefox 3 is a tipping point. It is the point at which Opera's claim of greater speed is quite arguable if not entirely unfounded. Come on, don't be a prick.

      This is about technical merits, not just press releases and marketing. Until Firefox 3 appeared, Opera was the fastest browser of them all. Absolutely indisputable. Opera 9.27 is much faster than Firefox 2.

      Now, Firefox 3 is a different and very good browser, and is faster than both FF2 and O9.

      Opera 9.5 is still faster than Opera 9.2, but not as fast as Firefox 3. That's how much Firefox has improved.

      Now: You seem to imply that all this speed talk is about marketing and stuff, while the truth is that both teams of programmers have spent countless hours improving their codebases. Your comment is a disservice to all those programmers.
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    90. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      actually, I've noticed that problem also. I do a google search and promptly start seeing cookies being blocked from the websites that google listed.
      I hope that Firefox 3 will make this behavior configurable, I don't really like wasting my bandwidth on prefetching, nor do I want to risk "visiting" a bad site without my having actually clicked on it.

    91. Re:opera is faster by plover · · Score: 1
      Way, way back when, I used to run the Proxomitron, and spent hours and hours configuring it. I actually tried several proxies over time, including squid, junkbuster and later privoxy. And I'd troll through sites with my hosts file open, plonking ad server after ad server.

      And I noticed all along that I spent at least half an hour a week building edit scripts to block all these stupid ads, and I still couldn't block many of the annoying things, and the page authors delighted in coming up with new methods to wave ads in my face, and I had to edit files to whitelist some sites, and after all that I still had to run IE to get to my bank.

      Then came Mozilla 0.9 and things improved greatly over Netscape, but I still tended the Proxomitron. And along came Phoenix and then Firefox, and things improved again, (although the logo was nowhere near as cool as the block-art dinosaur.) But I still hung on to the Proxomitron, as it was absolutely the coolest tool for modifying pages and blocking crap.

      And then came AdBlock. I ditched the proxomitron about a week later, sort of bemoaning all the lost functionality I was giving up and all the effort I had poured into those files. It was simply the ease of use that trumped everything else you've suggested above. Flashblock was a godsend. And it's gotten even better with the advent of whitelisting in NoScript, (I couldn't use NoScript without it because its popup bar was every bit as intrusive as the crap it was blocking.)

      Browsing is supposed to be about viewing the sites you want to see, and in my case that includes not seeing all the headache-inducing blinking and swooping crap. It's not supposed to be about spending time figuring out how to defeat that crap, and with those tools it's not. With your suggested set of manual tools, it was a metric assload of work, and I wasn't keeping up. And even though I couldn't afford to keep wasting that kind of time, every week or so another clever site had discovered another way to wave some crap in my face, and I'd be off on another hunt through the page source, looking for a way to shut it down.

      Since then, of course I've found dozens of other useful extensions. Greasemonkey restored some of the cool stuff I had been able to with the Proxomitron, and other clever people have built brilliant scripts for it, such as the one that allows me to zoom in on Google maps with the scrollwheel. I have extensions that "tart-up" Slashdot with a bunch of AJAXy stuff, an EXIF viewer that I frequently use for examining photographs, a Page Resurrector that knows how to dig in the wayback machine for ancient stuff, a bookmark synchronizer (I'm not a big fan of del.icio.us) and the list goes on and on. And yes, I use most of them very frequently.

      So yeah, extensions are totally the dealbreaker. Big time. Opera could be given away free, it could be four times as fast, and they could throw in closed source implementations of everything I just mentioned, and it still wouldn't impress me. People on the internet are a lot more innovative than a limited company, and new extensions come around constantly. Lots are crap, but there are still plenty of jewels. Extensions make browsing pleasant again.

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    92. Re:opera is faster by hailukah · · Score: 1

      I'm running on a similar machine and I've been using the tabs enabled version of Dillo because I can't stand waiting for a browser to launch just to read slashdot or xkcd. I just downloaded Opera 9.5 and I'm absolutely amazed at it's speed. It takes maybe a second longer to load than Dillo (which itself launches inside a second). I'm impressed.

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    93. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Open source apps are generally the most maintainable, but it doesn't come cheap. Opera's highly optimized engine probably has some really clever optimizations. Cleverness and maintainability don't really go together.

    94. Re:opera is faster by iceT · · Score: 1

      Wow.. did everyone else miss the boat on this or what?

      I believe his point was it's faster because it came out quicker. And that's it.

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    95. Re:opera is faster by BZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "The environment" is part of the performance problem in a lot of cases. For example, GTK2 is a lot slower than GTK1 (affecting things like Window opening performance, for example). Using pango for text layout will let you get more things (e.g. Thai) correct, but is a good bit slower than other options that don't try to handle as many situations... RENDER and XOrg have all sorts of performance issues. There are graphics testcases where Firefox 2 on Linux beats Firefox 3 hands-down because the software rendering in Firefox 2 is faster than the "accelerated" rendering done through RENDER in Firefox 3.

      So depending on the tradeoffs you want to make, the way to be fast might in fact be to NOT integrate with "the environment". At least on Linux. On operating systems with a better graphics and widget layer story, things may be different.

    96. Re:opera is faster by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

      FireFox on all platforms tries to be OS friendly and conform to UI standards of the OS.
      LOL. You are kidding, right? Firefox sticks out like a sore thumb.

      Opera still supports the MDI stupidity when even its own author - M$ - has declared it a major mistake in UI design.
      It's called "tabbed browsing", and ironically, Firefox "stole" it from Opera :)
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    97. Re:opera is faster by BZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Between the start of Gecko 1.9 development and now (effectively the end of Gecko 1.9 development), 389 bugs with the "perf" keyword got fixed. That's not counting the UI-only performance bugs (e.g. the Firefox UI took up about 15% of the pageload time in Firefox 2; in Firefox 3 that number is much smaller).

      People care, I can assure you. On the other hand there are a _lot_ of performance bugs. At least in part because any algorithm that's not O(N) or faster amortized is automatically a performance bug on the web: people throw up multi-tens-of-megabytes HTML files all the time.

    98. Re:opera is faster by willyhill · · Score: 1

      I respectfully disagree. I think FF might have an edge in rendering speed in some situations, but it gets its slow ass spanked everywhere else by both Opera and IE. To be fair, that's just the result of the thing being cross-platform, which makes the speed argument even less relevant to some people.

      On the other hand, I don't use FF because it's faster or slower, I use it because it has the best features.

      In any case, I was just pointing out that it was bad form to mod the guy troll just because he mentioned Opera.

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    99. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you, Chuck?

    100. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was released today Best first post I've seen in a long time. HA! Way to stir the pot! Lookit all the fanboys squabble!
    101. Re:opera is faster by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 1

      You should try Opera again, innovations like the Speed Dial would make you very unhappy to to any other browser. Opera performace has imporoved massively in 9.5 (over 9).. You thought it used to be fast, it's now even faster....

    102. Re:opera is faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't take the bitching personally. It's not about you, it's about her gripes with you. Way different.

    103. Re:opera is faster by Jaxoreth · · Score: 1

      FireFox is modular. Modular app would be always slower and consume more memory. Actually, Firefox uses less memory than Safari and IE combined.
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    104. Re:opera is faster by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Yeah, what is it with Slashdotters? I only ever hear "I am running a Pentium II 500MHz Processor" or "I'm damn happy with my 386 Linux desktop". For a 'tech site' we certainly seem to be in the stoneage. =P

      I'm typing this from a Q6600 @ 3.8GHz (1.5v) btw. =)

      ~Jarik

    105. Re:opera is faster by Lucas.Langa · · Score: 1

      I was in love with Opera since 9.0 and used it happily over the years. But Opera 9.5 is garbage. I reported to them (twice) a MAJOR Unicode rendering bug that appeared on Mac OS X with 9.5 alpha and it hadn't been touched since. Nobody even bothered to contact me at all. See here: http://www.langa.pl/operabug/

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    106. Re:opera is faster by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      I'm not willing to make the claim that Firefox 3 is faster than any version of Opera because:
      1) That's very hard to test
      2) I haven't run the test, and it isn't that important to me that I do so.

      I'm willing to concede that Firefox is probably faster; that many people would believe such a statement without hard facts just by trying out both of them. Certainly Opera's marketing department would make, and continues to make such a claim about their own browser (their motto is "Fastest Browser on Earth").

      Now: You seem to imply that all this speed talk is about marketing and stuff, while the truth is that both teams of programmers have spent countless hours improving their codebases. Your comment is a disservice to all those programmers.

      I'm just not seeing how you're reaching this conclusion.

      Near as I can figure, this is your logic:
      1) Premise: I'm not willing to fully commit to the claim that Firefox is faster. Opera's marketing department is willing to make such a claim about their own browser.
      2) Because I have not agreed to an answer but the marketing department of Opera has, I believe the question of speed is one of marketing (false, and I'm not sure how you got from step one to step two).
      3) Because Marketing departments are only there to advertise (false), what they say does not reflect upon the work done by their programmers (also false), so if you talk about arguing with the marketing department, then you're arguing the merits of the marketing, not the quality of the product (would be true if the beginning parts of this statement were).

      Needless to say, there are lots of holes in your logic. You may want to rethink it.

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    107. Re:opera is faster by tom17 · · Score: 1

      I leave gmail open constantly.. for weeks at a time. Still no problem there.

    108. Re:opera is faster by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Opera still supports the MDI stupidity when even its own author - M$ - has declared it a major mistake in UI design.

      Nope, you can choose between MDI or SDI, or if you prefer, you can do "tabs" the way that Firefox does it.

      But what's so bad about MDI/tabs? It's better than cluttering up your screen without windows like was the case before tabs came along. If you mean specifically MDI tabs versus the "Firefox" style of tabs, why is MDI worse? The Firefox tabs method has significant limitations, for example, because the tabs can't be treated as internal windows, I can't do things like view two tabs side by side (unless I reopen them in a separate window, which is a rather ugly and labourious way to do it).

      Even though I can set Opera to do it either way, I stick with MDI - I'm curious what's stupid about it?

    109. Re:opera is faster by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      I understand the complaint about ease of use - sure. But is it much harder to install a program like Admuncher, or a blocklist for Opera than to install an extension for firefox? I've installed extensions for Thunderbird, and it basically comes down to enabling the site, then clicking the install... Well, for Admuncher it's download the installer and double click - done. For the Opera blocklist, it's download the file and restart Opera...

      Is either of the above *really* more difficult than installing an extension? I just don't see it. Actually, my experiance with Proxomitron has only had *one* more step than installing an extension and pointing it at a list, and that's setting the local proxy in Opera.

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    110. Re:opera is faster by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      because all developers can know what they are doing.

      Opera, being commercial company includes actual -training- of the programmers.

      Whoever wants to join the Firefox developer community, may read all the helpful documentation, ask questions and receive guidance on problems they stumble upon, but they will NOT receive a formal training. Meaning they may devise their own way of doing things, not even realizing there exist ones that are much better and more efficient.

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    111. Re:opera is faster by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Have you ever tried a blocklist like sidki's or Grypen's? I've basically installed sidki's latest, and that's it. I get flashblock, I don't get ads, and I don't mess with the internals save occasionally bypassing the blocking to see if it's breaking a site. Does Adblock *really* never break a site so you need to bypass it?

      Your other extensions I could do with prox or Opera. Greasmonky is UserJS in Opera. EXIF data is available built in. Wayback is added by prox filterset. Bookmark synch is in 9.5 built in.

      But then, I do understand that building up a browser with extensions works for some (lots?) of users. And certainly if you work that way, it's great.

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    112. Re:opera is faster by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      I'd use proxomitron for that.

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    113. Re:opera is faster by josephpate · · Score: 1

      I've tried Firefox many times in the past year, every time downloading add-ons to make it just as functional as Opera, but it still comes up short.

      There are just so many little things Opera does that you can't do with Firefox. I

      Every time I read a slashdot post about another version I will give it a try, but so far I'm still using Opera.

    114. Re:opera is faster by Steve+Max · · Score: 1

      I disagree. By using what you consider inferior software just because it's Free, you are telling the developers they don't need to improve their software. By advocating and using the best, you increase the drive for the other players to improve their products instead of sitting on their asses thinking they don't need to optimize much, only enough to be better than IE. Even though Mozilla doesn't do this, their drive to improve would be bigger if people would just use what works best, instead of saying "I won't use Opera because it used to cost money/isn't Free Software" or "I won't use Safari because Apple added it to iTunes's update/Apple created it".

      Use what is the best for you. Even if you like Firefox's ideal, using Opera, Safari or whatever works best for you will help them improve by creating more pressure from below.

    115. Re:opera is faster by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      OMG - Opera still supports the MDI stupidity when even its own author - M$ - has declared it a major mistake in UI design.

      You mean "tabbed browsing"? The same tabbed browsing even Microsoft copied and implemented on IE7?

      Give me a break. Opera's UI is fantastic, and very consistent from OS to OS. I know, i work with it on Mac, Linux and Windows on a daily basis.

    116. Re:opera is faster by collinstocks · · Score: 1

      They certainly don't have as much influence in the OSS community, because they aren't on the software channels yet, whereas firefox is (and hasn't even been released yet?!)

      me@my-laptop:~$ opera --version
      ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
      ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
      Opera 9.27 . Build 709 for Linux. Qt library 3.3.8b.
      me@my-laptop:~$ firefox --version
      Mozilla Firefox 3.0, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
      me@my-laptop:~$

      Both were installed off software channels, and both upgrade with "sudo apt-get upgrade" if an upgrade is available.

    117. Re:opera is faster by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 1

      Firefox already has a lot o pressure. It has competition in the free software world and competition in the proprietary world. Not to mention that IE comes preinstalled in 90+% of computers, and, given the apathy of most people regarding software, Firefox has to be *vastly better* than IE (and it is) to motivate the work of installing it.

      For all of the network effects I mentioned, I help Firefox by simply using it. Each additional user is an incentive for more developers to join the development team, which increases the chances of performance improvements.

    118. Re:opera is faster by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      I'm not willing to devote the necessary time to get that working correctly when NoScript is much more user friendly.

    119. Re:opera is faster by DarkEmpath · · Score: 1

      No, I'm guessing the websites you go to don't use javascript or something the same way.

      Without any extensions added (other than Pinball theme) I can hit 400MB in half hour of browsing a site like DeviantART. Closing all but one window drops memory usage to around 340MB.

      I've just checked memory usage again, I'm sitting at 583MB with three windows open.

      I assume different methods of doing things will leak through holes in the software in different ways. You'll need some pretty good evidence that extensions are to blame when I don't have any. The fact that a lot of people don't seem to have memory usage issues indicate to me that it's browsing habits. Oh, and blaming websites for the fact that a browser is so badly written that it needs to be restarted every day is poor form.

      I haven't tried FF3 at all yet, but I'm *hoping* it's not going to disappoint like the others have.

    120. Re:opera is faster by entrigant · · Score: 2

      My connection has been faster than most browsers can render for quite some time now. The bottleneck is rendering speed, javascript execution speed, and ui speed.

    121. Re:opera is faster by PastaLover · · Score: 1

      The more important benchmark, especially for applications like google docs and other pseudo-application applications is the rewritten JavaScript engine in Opera 9.5, which is indeed extremely fast.

      Honestly I feel like it's opera who has something to prove here. I apparently hang out on a lot of all those web 2.0 websites, which I wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't tried opera and noticed the painfully slow javascript support at times. Sure, the html rendering was lightning fast, but that doesn't matter much if you're opening say a google reader or a gmail.

    122. Re:opera is faster by BlueTemplar · · Score: 0

      I wish Opera developers found a way to port AdBlock and Flashblock plugins What about this: http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/
    123. Re:opera is faster by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      You do know that you can close tabs right? Use the little X on the side of the tab. Or you can type CTRL+w.

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  2. Zoom by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been using the RC, and must say the memory issues that the Mozilla developers have tried to claim never existed, are almost nonexistent now. The only tiny thing I don't like is the Text Size function which is now called "zoom", and is sucky.

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    1. Re:Zoom by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 5, Informative

      View->Zoom
      Check off "text zoom only"

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    2. Re:Zoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's because now it really acts as zoom: it doesn't resize only the text, but the images too (though this can be configured), as opposed in FF2 where only the text would change size, and thus the "Text size" terminology made more sense.

    3. Re:Zoom by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I just wish there was a way to revert the 'Awesome Bar' to the standard address bar that FF2 had (with no automatic searching, just url matching), because I hate the new functionality.

    4. Re:Zoom by vivek7006 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I, on the other hand love the new zoom feature. I use a very high resolution screen and need to zoom webpages to read the text. Earlier zooming would only increase the text and plenty of websites would look atrocious. Now everything scales proportionally and webpages look uniform after zooming.

    5. Re:Zoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I just wish there was a way to revert the 'Awesome Bar' to the standard address bar that FF2 had (with no automatic searching, just url matching), because I hate the new functionality. Of course there's a way. There's an extension. :)
    6. Re:Zoom by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I just wish there was a way to revert the 'Awesome Bar' to the standard address bar that FF2 had (with no automatic searching, just url matching), because I hate the new functionality. Of course there's a way. There's an extension. :) From that page:

      Note that the underlying autocomplete algorithm is the Firefox 3 algorithm, not the Firefox 2 algorithm. oldbar only affects the presentation of the results. Its the algorithm that I want to disable completely.
    7. Re:Zoom by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 1

      And that is exactly why CSS styles need to be more flexible.
      Otherwise, you could just set the minimum text size to one that you can comfortably read on a high-resolution screen.
      You can still do that, but, yeah. Breaks stupid sites.

      Also, your window manager or OS probably has a quick zoom?
      In compiz, for example, can hold super down while using mouse wheel for a quick look at part of the screen.
      Handy for those horrible flash videos.

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    8. Re:Zoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Check off: We are looking for Nuclear wessels...

    9. Re:Zoom by pubjames · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes. Apparently it's especially annoying when you are demonstrating something to a client and they get to see all the websites you were exploring the night before...

    10. Re:Zoom by deroby · · Score: 4, Informative

      ctrl-shift-del is your friend ?

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    11. Re:Zoom by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

      Also, your window manager or OS probably has a quick zoom? In compiz, for example, can hold super down while using mouse wheel for a quick look at part of the screen. Handy for those horrible flash videos.

      Why haven't I tried this before!?? I knew about compiz's alt-scroll (transparency) but hadn't tried using Super.

      Very cool. Thanks!

    12. Re:Zoom by prestomation · · Score: 1
      Stealther is your friend. Two clicks (Tools->Stealther) puts you in porn mode.

    13. Re:Zoom by prestomation · · Score: 1

      Funny.. I just upgraded to the newest RC in Hardy Heron(RC3?) and Stealther is not compatible.. :(

    14. Re:Zoom by Chyeld · · Score: 3, Funny

      What kind of weasel?

    15. Re:Zoom by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      IE7 had it first. >.>

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    16. Re:Zoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just install a copy of Portable Firefox and do all your pr0n browsing on that. You can also set it up to clear your private data or put it on an encrypted partition, most of which is really unnecessary at that point.

      You don't spank it on your front lawn, so don't do it on your public/shared browser.

    17. Re:Zoom by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      Let's see... Multiple accounts in firefox is one way. The other is to Shift-Delete the websites you don't want in your history. Other than that, try to not show your clients websites that contain keywords such as "fucking" and "hot teens". Unless you're working in the porn industry anyways, in which case, why are you complaining? Conflict of interest?

    18. Re:Zoom by darthflo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Opera had it even firster. >.<

    19. Re:Zoom by SEMW · · Score: 4, Informative

      IE7 had it first. Actually, I think you'll find that Opera had it several years before either IE7 or Firefox.
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    20. Re:Zoom by funaho · · Score: 1

      Wow I did not know I could do that. Thanks. :) I was always going into history and deleting stuff from there.

    21. Re:Zoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Because I'm using 3.0 RC2 and with 10 tabs open, Firefox is currently using a light 250MB. (It was a mere 240MB before I replied to this post.)

    22. Re:Zoom by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      What's 5 years between friends? ^.<

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    23. Re:Zoom by Em+Ellel · · Score: 1

      Stealther is your friend. Two clicks (Tools->Stealther) puts you in porn mode.

      Is there a reverse of this? I am not so concerned with porn as I am with revealing to one client names of my other clients, etc (by virtue of browser history) - so it would be nice to have a quick toggle of turning all history completion options to off from time to time.

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    24. Re:Zoom by xSauronx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      srsly. using the address bar now is a hassle.

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    25. Re:Zoom by macdaddy · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's because the address bar, location bar, URL bar is apparently no longer used for addresses, locations or URLs. Go figure.

    26. Re:Zoom by ggvaidya · · Score: 2, Informative

      Microsoft and Opera Software ASA aren't really friends :-)

      Actually: is Microsoft friends with anybody?

    27. Re:Zoom by street+struttin' · · Score: 1

      Yes. Apparently it's especially annoying when you are demonstrating something to a client and they get to see all the websites you were exploring the night before... Doesn't everybody do a full delete of their history before presentations? When you click that history bar you want it to be BLANK. Duh. I set my work laptop to do this automatically whenever I exit firefox.
    28. Re:Zoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Homer: I eat food in Bar form. *Unwraps Awesome Bar*

    29. Re:Zoom by Tweenk · · Score: 1

      Actually: is Microsoft friends with anybody? Yes, I think they are called "demons",
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    30. Re:Zoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Apparently it's especially annoying when you are demonstrating something to a client and they get to see all the websites you were exploring the night before... Try this:

      In the URL bar: about:config
      Click "I'll be careful, I promiss"
      Search for "urlbar"
      Set "browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped" to "true"
    31. Re:Zoom by rsborg · · Score: 1

      Yes. Apparently it's especially annoying when you are demonstrating something to a client and they get to see all the websites you were exploring the night before...
      You need to use private browsing. For Firefox, there are several extensions. I use distrust (although Safari's private browsing is actually much better than what FF extensions can do).
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    32. Re:Zoom by Skuldo · · Score: 1

      Doesn't windows have a chunk of BSD code in it somewhere? :p

    33. Re:Zoom by compro01 · · Score: 1

      I don't think most demons like them either.

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    34. Re:Zoom by angulion · · Score: 1

      IE7's zoom feature also was buggy and ticked a lot of web-developers off.
      It zoomed everything like it should, except it didn't zoom background images, which often can contain vertical column-lines in a multi-column layout.

    35. Re:Zoom by spyder-implee · · Score: 1

      Does anyone else have this bug on the bookmarks toolbar? Close a tab, then immediately right click on a bookmark (from bookmark toolbar) and the open options are disabled.

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    36. Re:Zoom by Workaphobia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mozilla doesn't seem to understand how to add new features without displacing sensible default behavior. For instance, in one of the v3 betas that I'm using now, going to an SSL-secured site where the certificate doesn't check out for any reason results in me being prompted to either leave the site or add a permanent exception for the one site. There is no option to inspect the actual certificate information. I'm sure a way exists, because the alternative is absurd, but it shouldn't take anyone who's ever used a web browser before more than five seconds to find it.

      And I thought it was bad enough in previous versions that firefox displayed scary messages when it came across a self-signed certificate, just like every other browser, despite the fact that it's far more secure than plaintext.

      Seriously, did you know that you can add and change advanced configuration settings through about:config, but you can't delete a setting after it's explicitly created because they want to protect you from fubaring your installation? You have to open a text editor to restore its original state.

      In some respects, firefox is a lot like gnome.

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    37. Re:Zoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wrote that whole rant but couldn't be bothered to look at what was on your screen? It actually *forces* you to examine the certificate (via the 'Get Certificate' button) prior adding an exception, which is a good thing (to prevent users from blindly clicking OK). Making the exception temporary is as easy as unchecking the 'make this permanent' box.

      I'm glad Mozilla has done this, as hopefully it will motivate some webmasters to fix their broken websites.

    38. Re:Zoom by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Still not the same and a total HASSLE to use. AND, mo one needs the "zoom". it's called screen resolution.

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    39. Re:Zoom by BZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can you actually point me to an incident where someone who was an active Mozilla developer at the time "tried to claim [the memory issues] never existed"?

      It's a nice meme to propagate, but I have yet to see someone come up with such an incident.

    40. Re:Zoom by serge587 · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's open source.

    41. Re:Zoom by crwl · · Score: 1

      I hate the new zoom feature (mostly because of the ugly image scaling algorithm that completely destroys all the graphics when zooming, the same problem also exists in Opera), but let's not go there because it can be easily disabled from the menu.

      But, have you noticed that (at least on Linux/X11), Firefox 3 is in fact several orders of magnitude *slower* than FF2 when scaling text. It's just intolerable to wait perhaps longer than a second on a modern dual-core processor for the browser just to enlarge the font a bit. On modern CPU's, the allegedly faster Javascript performance isn't really noticeable anywhere, but this is. Support for FF2 will probably end sometime this year, I wonder to which browser I'll need to move then - FF3 is at least currently completely unusable to me because of this (I guess I tend to increase or decrease font size a lot).

      Oh, and another one now that I've begun complaining: There's something wrong with Cairo or something regarding font anti-aliasing (again on Linux/X11), esp. with some fonts:

      http://www.elisanet.fi/crwl/ff3-fontit.png - FF3 on the left, FF2 on the right. FF3 output looks blurry and causes eyestrain, FF2 (or Konqueror, for that matter) output doesn't. Blargh.

    42. Re:Zoom by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 2
      1. Lots of monitors (LCDs) look crap at non-native resolution
      2. Changing the resolution takes longer than ctrl+mousewheel (or even using the menu)
      3. Most window managers (in particular, Windows) will move your windows to fit them onto the screen when you change resolution, so when you're done with the stupid website with the tiny text you have to move everything back to where it was.

      Changing your screen resolution so you can view a single site that has chosen to use an unreadably small font size is far more hassle than using your browser's zoom or font size feature. Additionally, the fact that it can also enlarge images is helpful on sites that use unreadably small fonts rendered as images.

      Also I'm trying to understand what you're actually complaining about. Is someone forcing you to use it or something? I don't use the "Character Encoding" option but I'm sure it's very useful to some people, so I don't see much point in complaining about its existence.

    43. Re:Zoom by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 1

      It doesn't actually require you to view it; after using the "Get Certificate" button it just says the certificate belongs to a different site, but doesn't tell you what that site is. There is a "View Certificate" button there, but you don't have to use it in order to add the exception.

      It's an awful lot of clicking to add an exception though. I wonder if you add it permanently, does it prompt you when the certificate changes? This would at least provide as good security as SSH host keys do when using self-signed certificates.

    44. Re:Zoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just wish there was a way to revert the 'Awesome Bar' to the standard address bar that FF2 had (with no automatic searching, just url matching), because I hate the new functionality. Install the 'oldbar' extension. Doesn't everyone do that?
    45. Re:Zoom by PMBjornerud · · Score: 1

      ctrl-shift-del is your friend ? No, it's the enemy! What file can I edit to kill this bastard keycombo off for good?

      Why?
      I very often use "CTRL-SHIFT-END" to select text from marker to end, then hit "ENTER" to clear the selected block with a newline for more typing. The key right next to "end" is "del". This have caused my to nuke my cache and settings countless times due to this and I don't enjoy the feature the slightest.
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    46. Re:Zoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand how anyone can outright HATE it. More likely is that you're trying to fight against it. I believe the new bar uses some stats that Firefox 2 didn't track, so it will take a few days of browsing for Fx3 to catch up. I'm it's weird and you shouldn't have to accommodate new technology instead of the other way around and etc, but you would not believe how incredibly useful it is once you're used to the new paradigm. I can get everywhere I want with a single keystroke (not so with Fx2 matching; for example a lot of domains share subdomains like forums.), I can find something I was looking at earlier with minimal effort, I can get to user profiles without figuring out the beginning of the url and scrolling, etc.

      If you ABSOLUTELY only want to match a URL, you can just start typing with the // after the protocol and you'll almost always only match the domain, but I stress that you probably just need to think of it not as a url bar but as a "go somewhere" bar.

    47. Re:Zoom by redJag · · Score: 1

      developers?

    48. Re:Zoom by Workaphobia · · Score: 1

      > look at what was on your screen.

      You're presuming that I tried to add an exception. Why would I necessarily want to do that without viewing the certificate first?

      > It actually *forces* you to

      It takes four mouse clicks to view the certificate. It'd be nice to get that down to one.

      When Firefox blocks a popup, it doesn't let me view the window just one time. It can only keep track of absolutes, and either I allow a site or I don't. Why should I have known that an SSL exception would be any different, and why does the fact that it is excuse mozilla's poor UI design?

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    49. Re:Zoom by deroby · · Score: 1

      eggs and omelets I presume =)

      Anyway, what about ticking off all the check-boxes in the options so that when you accidentally hit the OK button, the default settings are that nothing really gets deleted ?

      (Tools / Options / Privacy / Settings)

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  3. Nothing about breaking records? by Wicko · · Score: 2

    Last I checked, there were just over a million pledges, far off from the 5 million they were shooting for..

    1. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by illeism · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm sure the downloads will be there.

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    2. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by internewt · · Score: 1

      Is there somewhere I can go to pledge that I won't be downloading FF3?

      I feel Firefox has drifted too far from the philosophy that existed around its creation: a small and fast web browser with support for extensions, so the user can add the features they want.

      The awful bar in FF3 a perfect example of a feature that should be an extension, but isn't and is forced on everyone. I don't want my hand holding when it comes to using core features of a browser, and so I'm going to say no to FF3. I feel that FF has been moving the wrong way for a while, but 3 is just too much. Hell, my laptop's Windows partition still has 1.5.highest installed because I didn't see any point in updating to FF2.

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    3. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by robo_mojo · · Score: 1

      I feel Firefox has drifted too far from the philosophy that existed around its creation: a small and fast web browser with support for extensions, so the user can add the features they want.
      That's the way it has been for a long time.

      That's why I install SeaMonkey instead and tick the "Browser Only" box during installation.
    4. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by twbecker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, SeaMonkey is the epitome of "lean and mean".

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    5. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The awful bar in FF3 a perfect example of a feature that should be an extension, but isn't and is forced on everyone. I don't want my hand holding when it comes to using core features of a browser, and so I'm going to say no to FF3.

      Totally agree. I have to say, for the longest time my pages always looked better in Firefox than in IE, because Firefox was the web developers browser of choice, so they were developed for Firefox, then tested for IE after they were functionally complete. That's going to stop now that the location bar has been transformed into some unholy thing you would expect AOL to conceive. Time to start looking for alternatives...

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    6. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by Wicko · · Score: 1

      Bar? What are you talking about, and whats wrong with it? I haven't installed the beta, but I also don't see anything in screenshots.

    7. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1
      What he's talking about is, an address bar is a place to type urls. Now, its an address bar mingled with something resembling Google Desktop. If it were a new feature that didn't damage the functionality of the address bar, it wouldn't be a big deal. But it does, and it is. When I type "sla" in the address bar in FF2, or any other browser on the market except FF3, I get an autocomplete that looks like

      slashdot.org
      slashdot.org/~ShieldW0lf/
      slashdot.org/comments.pl
      slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=123456&cid=123456
      etc

      When you type "sla" in the address bar in FF3, you get something that looks more like:

      Wal-Mart Slashes Prices

      www.wal-mart.com/who/is/your/daddy

      Slashdot - News for Nerds

      slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=123456&cid=123456

      Recipie - Cole Slaw

      recipies.com?id=a3d25f3


      Except, the real output has embedded graphics, multiple colors of text, keywords on the same line as the page name but right aligned, etc.

      The url, which is what you'd presume you were interested in being that you've gone to the address bar in the first place, it is hard to see because it's in a smaller font and a sickly green color.

      It's enough to give an epileptic a fit.
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    8. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by Wicko · · Score: 1

      Is there no way to disable that? That looks very annoying. But, I've managed to use the address bar very little, anyway. Foxmarks is my best friend right now.

    9. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it learns what your most visited websites are, and does it rather quickly. To get to slashdot, I type "s, down arrow key, enter". To go to our company website I type "m", El Reg is "r" (or "BOFH"), XKCD is "x", etc.

      I don't bother having any of these things bookmarked; it would take more time to pull them up that way. Now, for someone who does not save their browsing history, this is not such a useful feature. Otherwise, I can't really understand why people don't like it: what sort of web browsing do you do that would make it slower or more inconvenient to have your most-visited websites higher in the results list?

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    10. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by Blkdeath · · Score: 1

      The url, which is what you'd presume you were interested in being that you've gone to the address bar in the first place, it is hard to see because it's in a smaller font and a sickly green color.

      Therein lies the difference between "what geeks want" and "what the rest of the world wants".

      Normal people don't even know what a URL is let alone why they should be interested in it. I'm a geek, but I also work in the real world. When I want to recall a page I've recently visited I love the functionality. Let's see, the page was about that "abcde" and up it comes, easy as you please.

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    11. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by robo_mojo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, SeaMonkey is the epitome of "lean and mean".
      I know you were going for Funny, but
      $ du -m --max-depth=0 firefox seamonkey
      25 firefox
      33 seamonkey

      I don't call either one "lean and mean" in any case. But an additional 8M is a small price to pay to avoid the odd design problems in Firefox.
    12. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by Nullav · · Score: 1

      Because page titles are HUGE , for one. The bookmark icon and favicon are an eyesore, too. Also, matching by title is silly. I'm far more likely to remember something I typed than text on a bar I rarely even look at (which could just be up there for the sake of having a title). If I want titles, I can easily open the history bar.

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    13. Re:Nothing about breaking records? by leviramsey · · Score: 1

      Of note:

      Opera 9.5 does FF3 one better in that respect... instead of just searching the address and title for the given substring, it searches the entire history.

      IMO, it's a useful feature because if I can remember a keyword from an article I saw yesterday, I can find it, without having to remember which site it was on.

      Admittedly, it may well make more sense to offer a full-text search for history (which Opera does also, and goes so far as to offer it from the address bar without using the autocomplete mechanism).

  4. I had the Beta by Paranatural · · Score: 1

    And I was unimpressed. I'm hoping the full release will be better.

    1. Re:I had the Beta by tylervincent · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I love the beta it gives you an idea about what it will look like and I cant wait till the full version comes out and sure some of my add-ons don't work but they will soon.

    2. Re:I had the Beta by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

      I love the beta it gives you an idea about what it should look like and I cant wait till the full version comes out and sure some of my add-ons don't work but they should soon.

      There, fixed that for you.

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    3. Re:I had the Beta by tylervincent · · Score: 2, Funny

      I love the beta it gives you an idea about what it will look like and I cant wait till the full version comes out and sure some of my add-ons don't work but they will soon. Sorry but my way is a lot better

  5. Opera 9.5 released today by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 4, Informative

    In other news, Opera 9.5, the other best browser, released today.

    1. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I fail to see how this is offtopic.

      Opera has been around a lot longer than FF, has a tiny memory footprint, and has a kick ass simple interface. That is to say, you don't need a fucking 3rd party skin to make it look good (because I doubt good UI design is one of FFs primary goals).

      Nevertheless, kudos to Firefox. Unfortunately for me, it's Safari on OS X, and Opera for everything else.

    2. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, Opera is the best browser around, i signed for the famous firefox record but i see my new opera 9.5 and i said "nah, opera eats them all!!!"

    3. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Abcd1234 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I fail to see how this is offtopic.

      Because this is an article about Firefox? And, at least AFAICT, Opera != Firefox. I mean, perhaps I'm wrong, but...

    4. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by at_slashdot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Opera 9.5 was just released today, however on slashdot we have an article about how Firefox will release on Tuesday... nice...

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    5. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Fweeky · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Opera support more platforms directly too; while Firefox supports OS X, Windows and Linux i686, Opera support all those, plus Linux x86-64/sparc/ppc, FreeBSD i386/amd64, and Solaris sparc and x86.

      Of course you can't compile Opera for anything else, so I guess it's just as well.

    6. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by .orvp · · Score: 1

      It is offtopic to the current story, but it is quite news worthy. If you think it should be a story on the main page or elsewhere, there are several submissions in the Firehose, filter for "Opera", and vote up the story you like (must be logged in). Sure, it may do squat as far as getting the story on the front page, but would be more on topic than in a thread about the future of Firefox.

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    7. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The topic claimed Firefox was the best browser "period".

      So, this is relevant. The poster is saying it's not the "best", that Opera may be.

    8. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by pembo13 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Thought Safari was the other best browser? BROWSER WARS!!

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    9. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Umm... I don't care? It doesn't change the fact that the original post was off-topic. Meanwhile, go submit an article about Opera being released... then we can go post about Firefox there. ;)

    10. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by spyrochaete · · Score: 4, Funny

      x.0 = major release

      x.5 = minor release

      I infer only the former is newsworthy.

    11. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

      Yes, but 9.5 > 3.0 release numbers don't mean much. Opera 9.5 is just as important release as Firefox 3.0 is.

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    12. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Threni · · Score: 3, Informative

      > Yes, but 9.5 > 3.0 release numbers don't mean much. Opera 9.5 is just as important release as Firefox 3.0 is.

      Hardly. Firefox has larger market share, is more popular, has more add-ons, is supported more widely even by mainstream non-nerdy websites etc. I use Opera Mini on my phone nearly every day, largely because it's free but also because it's pretty good, but when I decided, years ago, to experiment with a non Internet Explorer browser, I discovered that Opera had ads all over it, and to get rid of them I had to pay. I googled for another one and within seconds had started to download what is now Firefox. Things might have been a little different for Opera if they'd been more realistic about what an acceptable cost for a browser is, but that's just speculation nowadays.

    13. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      I'm happy to see Opera is getting the mind share it deserves. From the first time I've used it, I've always thought it's a great browser. Unfortunately, it's always been nearly invisible in browser usage statistics...

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    14. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Interesting

      By the way, the other day I was wondering what the point is in releasing your software as freeware, rather than as open source. I can see the point of _selling_ closed source software (you make money), and I can see the point of releasing as open source (you get a lot of mind share and free contributions), but when you release as freeware, you get neither advantage. So why do it?

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    15. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news, Opera 9.5, the other best browser, released today. Tried them both, first impressions, Opera Rocks! FF is well FF still fine but nothing like the Opera baby!
    16. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by SEMW · · Score: 3, Informative

      "After almost two years in development ... Amongst the major improvements are a revamped rendering engine, massive increases in performance, EV and malware security features, synchronisation of bookmarks, a re-engineered mail back-end, improved address-bar searching..." Doesn't sound like a "minor release" to me. Version numbers can be misleading: different organisations have very different ideas about when a new release should get a new version number. You can't compare versions numbers of different applications directly.

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    17. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      That might be true, at the moment, until FF3.1 gets released, and there's an article for the RC, and then another for the release.

      There's a story about most of the FF3 Alphas, each FF3 Beta, and its RC's and now its Release.

      Plus...
      "A Prieview of Opera 9.5"
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/03/1223217

      Thats newsworthy, yet not the release? Although I expect the article to magically "appear" later today now...

    18. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Juneau · · Score: 2, Insightful
      By releasing it as Freeware, you retain the right to return it to closed source, and sell it.

      I'm no expert on the open source licenses (and I'm sure I'll be corrected), but once it's open source, it's quite difficult to put it back to closed source and sell it as a product

    19. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by csimpkin · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the general idea is that Opera makes money by selling a version for mobile uses. If they release the desktop version as open source, then someone else can port it to mobile platforms and eat into their revenue.

    20. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      Opera's a good example!

      AFAIK, Opera makes its money licensing Opera for cellphone browsers; the web version gets them publicity, testing on a wide number of pages and name recognition. The new synchronise feature will also allow people who browse on their cellphones to save websites to their browser bookmarks, and have these automatically synchronised with those on their home browser (if they're both Opera), giving those already using Opera at home a reason to get a phone with an Opera browser, and vice versa.

      I, err, guess.

    21. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by pavon · · Score: 1

      Well the reason that Opera does it is because the do sell modified versions of the browser for cellphones and other embedded devices like the Wii. I imagine these products share a large portion of their code with the desktop browser, so it makes since that they want to keep it proprietary.

    22. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by ectoraige · · Score: 1

      Their strategy is to sell it to the mobile and embedded strategy, and give it away free on the Desktop to increase their potential customer base. They had previously offered an ad-supported version, or you could pay to avoid the ads.

      I've been using it heavily for the last seven years, and everytime I try Firefox, it has never matched up.

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    23. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

      You are assuming that it was "realistic" for Opera to release a free version at that stage. Opera doesn't have companies like Google to donate developers and money, but has to make money. If releasing a free version would mean going bankrupt... Well, you know where I'm going with this ;)

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    24. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by nuzak · · Score: 1

      The bulk of opera's revenue is from licensing it to device makers who preload it. They could open the source, but they could never make it freely redistributable and still keep that revenue stream. So they don't bother going halfway and keep the source closed. It also allows them to incorporate proprietary third-party technology if they choose to.

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    25. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Tweenk · · Score: 1

      Opera support more platforms directly It depends on what you call "support". It makes more official builds, but FF runs on more architectures and platforms because you can compile it anywhere if the tools are available. See for example this page which says that Debian maintains a version of Firefox for 12 architectures (I omitted the kfreebsd ports), and that's only for Linux. There are also builds for OpenSolaris and all BSD variants maintained by their respective teams.
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    26. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      When you release something as freeware, you can get people hooked on it, then cripple it and start charging for the non-crippled version. Pretty straightforward.

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    27. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      "...invisible in browser usage statistics."

      On the desktop, thats true, hovering around 1% share... but on mobiles (where Opera is generally more directed) its much higher than that.

      But, im quite happy with it remaining small. Just above invisible, just below wide acceptance, although im expecting that to change with 10.x

    28. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by AeroIllini · · Score: 1

      That's true for the GPL, yes. Other OSS licenses, like BSD, allow the developer to use open source code in closed source commercial products.

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    29. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just tried the latest Opera on Ubuntu:

      * Scrolling of this Slashdot page is very slow (much slower than in FF)
      * Memory usage of FF3_RC2 is not all that good for me, but Opera is not much better, if at all. After some time, it also bloats in memory.
      * Opera looks ... ugly. I know, that's subjective, but that's what I think. The default skin it comes with is grey and nasty and looks a bit like old-style AWT. FF looks nicer.

      Result: Installed Opera, tried it, uninstalled it.

      That's just my experience. It might be much better for others, I don't know...

    30. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      Which is why I said "directly", as in, not maintained by third parties.

    31. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      By the way, the other day I was wondering what the point is in releasing your software as freeware, rather than as open source. I can see the point of _selling_ closed source software (you make money), and I can see the point of releasing as open source (you get a lot of mind share and free contributions), but when you release as freeware, you get neither advantage. So why do it?
      A fast lightweight browser for wintel, lintel and mac (both intel based and powerpc based) has little commercial value. Those platforms are so fast that use of a more bloated browser isn't too much of an issue.

      On the other hand on mobile platforms a fast lightweight browser is very valuable and people (sometimes device manufacturers sometimes end users) are quite prepared to pay for it. This is operas primary revenue stream

      By giving away the desktop browser as closed source they can gain web developer mindshare without impacting on thier real market.

      If they were to realease the source under anything remotely resembling a free software license other people would quickly port it themselves and operas main revenue stream would probablly dry up or at least severely reduce.

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    32. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      That is to say, you don't need a fucking 3rd party skin to make it look good

      Haven't used 9.5 yet, have you?

      I like Opera. I switched to it as my main browser when 8.5 came out.

      Opera 9.xy if (x hate the redesigned sidebar) and... well... sorry, I moved back to Firefox/Thunderbird. Opera had me and lost me.

      Oh, and Opera still doesn't seem to like certain JS-heavy pages, such as those used by the Angel coursework system. Which work fine in IE and Firefox.
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    33. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1
      (Reposting this... whoops, forgot to escape a <)

      That is to say, you don't need a fucking 3rd party skin to make it look good

      Haven't used 9.5 yet, have you?

      I like Opera. I switched to it as my main browser when 8.5 came out.

      Opera 9.xy if (x <= 5) had a kickin' UI... well, as long as you switched to the Windows Native look.

      Opera 9.5 looks... goth, for lack of a better term. Other than the Reload; Stop; and Home buttons, all the icons are black or grey. Even in the Windows Native look.

      I now have to install a theme to get back the nice looking, colorful Opera 9.2x skin! And I can't even get the Windows Native version of it!

      Add to that a bunch of new UI irritations (I hate the redesigned sidebar) and... well... sorry, I moved back to Firefox/Thunderbird. Opera had me and lost me.

      Oh, and Opera still doesn't seem to like certain JS-heavy pages, such as those used by the Angel coursework system. Which work fine in IE and Firefox.
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    34. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      It's decent enough, but I can't seem to get over having the tabs above the address bar.

    35. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, the two killer features of Firefox's major release is trumped by Opera's minor release. Opera is faster, and its history full-text search outperforms the paltry page title search that Firefox has.

    36. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1

      The skin thing is easy enough (just install Emil and that's solved), but I don't see what's different about the "sidebar" that you're talking about. I assume you're talking about the panel, but the only thing I see different at all is that there seems to be a bug with regard to button sizes. Is there something else you're talking about?

    37. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! And they never tell us when a new version of Lynx is released either, the bastards!

    38. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox has always had the search bar with Google as the default. Google didn't start their "sponsorship" until recently, relatively late in the Firefox timeline; Mozilla didn't start receiving money from those Google kickbacks until Firefox was already kicking Opera's ass in market share.

    39. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

      That may well be the case. In which case it proves my point: Opera would not have been able to make the desktop version free at an earlier stage because they needed to make their own money, whereas Mozilla gots lots of cash for free from Google and other major corporations. Opera had to stand on its own two feet and didn't have the freedom to ignore revenues.

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    40. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

      Oh, and just to emphasize this: Mozilla started receiving donations from Google long before they could start a business relationship through the search field. So they were free to be free. They didn't have to worry about financial viability due to donations from Google, IBM, Nokia, Sun, etc.

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    41. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. The BSD license offers no advantages in this regard. The copyright-holding entity always "retains the right to return to closed source." The GP is right that "once it's open source, it's quite difficult to [take] it back," due to the fact that even if you do go the closed source route, after future releases 95% of your codebase is still floating around under the open source license.

      Your remark about the BSD versus GPL has no bearing on this topic.

    42. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by dirtyhippie · · Score: 1

      Huh? There are packages for firefox on all of those platforms, they just come from $os_vendor instead. I don't see how that's a problem - in fact one could argue it's a benefit.

    43. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Well actually Opera *does* have google shoveling them money for every search made from the browser, which was their stated reason for going free-without-ads a few years ago.

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    44. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a license for Opera years ago and it cost me about £4. And I was happy to give that money toward a company that makes a good browser. Paying for something once in a while doesn't hurt you know and don't forget Mozilla are propped up by Google whereas Opera are a small private company.

      Also, don't forget Opera (and other companies) are the ones driving innovation in the browser market and if it wasn't for them you would most likely still be waiting for someone to come up with ideas such as mouse gestures, speed dial etc.

    45. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Beat+The+Odds · · Score: 1

      I think the general idea is that Opera makes money by selling a version for mobile uses. If they release the desktop version as open source, then someone else can port it to mobile platforms and eat into their revenue.

      I use Opera Mini on my mobile phone and it's free. So I'm not following this point.

    46. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by bytta · · Score: 1

      I use Opera Mini on my mobile phone and it's free. So I'm not following this point. There's Opera mini (free) and Opera Mobile (paid for). I think Opera Mini is only free because phone makers (Nokia/Sony Ericsson/etc.) gave bags of money to Opera.
    47. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by csimpkin · · Score: 1

      I was refering to opera mobile, which is different than opera mini and targets a different market.

    48. Re:Opera 9.5 released today by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Paying for something once in a while doesn't hurt you know

      I know, but using free stuff is even better.

      > Mozilla are propped up by Google whereas Opera are a small private company.

      I like Google.

      > don't forget Opera (and other companies) are the ones driving innovation in the browser market

      Not to the extent that Google are.

      > and if it wasn't for them you would most likely still be waiting for someone to come up with ideas such as mouse gestures, speed dial etc.

      Mouse gestures is just a mouse version of Palm's Graffiti system of over 10 years ago.

  6. speaking of releases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just released a brown trout in the 3rd floor men's room. The toilet seems to be broken (or "beta" as us googlers call it), so you might want to avoid the middle stall.

    1. Re:speaking of releases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The toilet seems to be broken Are you using TiSP? Contact Google for tech support.
  7. I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by sznupi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean...it was, like, RELEASED, today; not only announced to be released.

    But I guess that clears any doubts as to "/. pet-browser" that Firefox has... :/

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    1. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Funny thing is, only opera has the /. easter egg in it... Yep, type /. in the address bar to come here. Talk about cool easter eggs...

    2. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by pembo13 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Guess no one submitted a story on it.

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    3. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by Doctor+Crumb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or perhaps the fact taht opera has 1% market share while firefox has 18% might have something to do with it.

    4. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by Khuffie · · Score: 1

      I already submitted a story today. We'll see how that goes.

    5. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's possibly got more to do with the fact that Firefox has about 20% of the total browser market share than that it's Slashdot's "pet browser", as well as it being one of the most successful open source projects overall. With its market share of "maybe" 1%, it could just be that only a small minority of people would be interested in Opera related news.

    6. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by sznupi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, I'm so used to it that I have difficulties using other browsers efficiently ;)

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    7. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Well, we do hear more often also about Safari...

      (nvm that I wasn't aware /. news frequency was determined by popularity among US consumers...I thought this was about geek news, technical merit and all that rubbish)

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    8. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by Zwicky · · Score: 5, Informative

      Create a Slashdot bookmark and set its keyword to '/.' (sans quotes).

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    9. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Thx, I'll try to remember that next time when sitting on other browser (despite what you might hear about Opera fundamentalists, I'm also partial to Seamonkey and Konqueror ;) ).

      Might finally find some use for bookmarks... (IMHO they are, universally, badly implemented, so I mostly just keep opened tabs "to check later" in the background; so I end up with A LOT of them, currently ~400 - and that's one of the reasons I like Opera, no other browser can handle that amount gracefully, especially on my main hardware (AthlonXP 1700+ with 768MB))

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    10. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by Daimanta · · Score: 1


      "(nvm that I wasn't aware /. news frequency was determined by popularity among US consumers...I thought this was about geek news, technical merit and all that rubbish)"

      Yes, but without "nvm that I wasn't aware /. news frequency was determined by popularity among US consumers...I thought this was about geek news, technical merit and all that"

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    11. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot posts junk about random Linux distros with .05% market share.

      I don't think that's the issue.

    12. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by Zwicky · · Score: 1

      Thx, I'll try to remember that next time when sitting on other browser I wasn't sure whether it was precisely what you are looking for, but it could ease the pain a little.

      Might finally find some use for bookmarks... (IMHO they are, universally, badly implemented, How would you implement them differently? I'm not trying to sound trollish or anything, and I have no vested interest in knowing one way or the other; I'm simply curious. Bookmarks to me aren't too bad because I tend to put them into a well-defined hierarchy and access frequently-used ones (tech sites, docs (local and online) etc.) with the keywords feature (alt-D, enter keyword, enter).

      Works pretty well for me. YMMV of course.

      so I mostly just keep opened tabs ... A LOT of them, currently ~400 Wow, is that even navigable? Guess that's what you mean about a browser's ability to handle that many tabs :)

      From a personal point of view that would drive me crazy. I tend to keep a handful of tabs open in the background which I want to look at in the immediate future, and drop anything else into a 'bucket' folder on Fx's bookmarks toolbar, which I regularly scan through when I'm otherwise not doing much.
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    13. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by ady1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Someone, please remind me how much market share desktop linux has?

      Market share has nothing to do with firefox being a news and opera not. The matter of the fact is that Opera is not open source. Firefox is. Also, opera's html rendering implementation, while fast in general from either IE or firefox, crawls to its knees when you go to a script heavy (WEB2.0 for some people) site. This was the primary reason I stopped using it even though I like it a lot.

    14. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that issue was one of the main factors addressed in 9.5. I certainly see Opera load my Zenoss dashboard and digg much faster than 9.27...

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    15. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by Gertlex · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is, only opera has the /. easter egg in it... Yep, type /. in the address bar to come here. Talk about cool easter eggs... Little known feature: Bookmark /. Edit bookmark properties Enter /. as a keyword Voila.
    16. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      I definatelly feel that bookmarks aren't implemented to my liking. When it comes to how I would implement them...well, I actually thought about it recently. Nothing revolutionary I guess, just small details than improve flow. Looking at whole "flow" from the beginning:
      - one button press or keyboard shortcut consisting of one key, thank you very much (doable already)
      - "add bookmark" dialogue that doesn't obstruct webpage - essentially "add bookmark" bar (like current search bars in FF and Opera)
      - I don't want to click on anything to add short description and comment, all fields must be immediatelly available, so that TAB is enough
      - and tags are a really nice thing IMHO

      Basically current implementations fail in my case when it comes to quickly adding a bookmark, and they don't have tags (yes, del.icio.us has them, but I want my database of bookmarks to be local - I think I stressed already that I'm interested in speed ;) )

      When it comes to menaging bookmarks, what I find in latest Opera comes close (except lack of tags) but it's still a bit chaotic - I want fulltext search not only in adress bar, but also in bookmarks manager (which itself is of course a sidebar, I want to see it all the time if I'm using it) to present me with few possible filtering options and so that only bookmarked pages are searchable. And tabs ;) (with all organisation options allowed by them). And notifications when content of pages changes (with various level of importance possible for every bookmark) - yeah, RSS integration comes close but RSS isn't available everywhere.

      Luckily it's getting better, perhaps one day... (BTW, it's possible that all of this is, in some way, already possible and I missed it :) - didn't have much incentive to check often how bookmarks are implemented...). I've heard next version of FF will rethink bookmarks... (FF3 was supposed to do that but the idea was pushed later?)

      And yes, 400 tabs is navigable if spreading them across few windows and using all THREE ways in which Opera lets you navigate tabs, dependend on situation (1. classic tab bar 2. "window" menu in menubar 3. right-click scroll which show tabs in "recently viewed" order - try it, really usefull (just hold right mouse button and move scrollwheel while in Opera window)). The thing that Opera doesn't become sluggish even with that many tabs helps a lot...as well as the thing that I don't actually work on most of them activelly, they're mostly equivalent to your 'bucket' folder, with with few spacial hints to their relations.

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    17. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The matter of the fact is that Opera is not open source. Firefox is. Who the fuck cares? Good software is good software.
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    18. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by krelian · · Score: 1

      Actually slashdot has more posts about Windows than Linux. Or so it seems...

    19. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by ady1 · · Score: 1

      The people on slashdot care.

    20. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by ady1 · · Score: 1

      I just downloaded it and trying it out. It seems to be faster for now although the scrolling is still jerky. I'm on linux btw.

    21. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by Pulzar · · Score: 1

      The new "awesome bar" doesn't really support that, though. Yeah, if you type in the whole keyword it'll go there, but nothing shows up while you're typing it, so it doesn't really work with the new bar concept...

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    22. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      a) I'd bet more people don't care than care.

      b) The people who do care are idiots. Opera is a web browser with enough notoriety that a release is newsworthy, open-source or not. Slashdot isn't "open-source news", it's just about news.

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    23. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by Shining+Celebi · · Score: 1

      Luckily it's getting better, perhaps one day... (BTW, it's possible that all of this is, in some way, already possible and I missed it :) - didn't have much incentive to check often how bookmarks are implemented...). I've heard next version of FF will rethink bookmarks... (FF3 was supposed to do that but the idea was pushed later?)

      Actually, it was supposed to be in Firefox 2, and was pushed back to Firefox 3. Firefox 3 has one-click bookmarking, although you have to double-click the star icon to add information to a bookmark. That extra dialog pops up as a little box that obscures a small part of the webpage, and you can add your short description and tags using only tab. It sounds like it includes much of what you want, but not quite everything.

    24. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by ady1 · · Score: 1

      I didn't say its not news worthy. In fact I refuted the point in my original post. Although I would love if opera could just open source it. After all they aren't making any money on it (not on the desktop one at least). It would be amazing.

    25. Re:I was expecting more to see Opera 9.5 news... by zaivala · · Score: 0

      It was not released today -- the RC was released, which is not the final version.

  8. Why do I need a party hat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Put on your party hats and get ready to download Firefox 3

    I use Firefox, because I have no use for Party Hats!

    1. Re:Why do I need a party hat? by Slimee · · Score: 1

      Wait, is this serious? Did I really see MozzilaParty? People are actually going to throw parties for the release of the third iteration of some browser?

      WHOA-HO, bust out the hats and Natty Ice baby, we're gonna get drunk for Firefox's latest release!! Who's with me??!

    2. Re:Why do I need a party hat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Party+Hat&defid=3059541

      And of course, a party hat is slang for condom. Sounds like the party is going to be a blast!

    3. Re:Why do I need a party hat? by Slimee · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah baby, It's gonna be a night of drunken fun, beer pong, and one night stands. Oh and maybe we'll check out the new Firefox too.

    4. Re:Why do I need a party hat? by Blimey85 · · Score: 1

      Your place or mine? Wait... you are FEMALE right? RIGHT?!?!?!

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    5. Re:Why do I need a party hat? by maxume · · Score: 1

      I get the feeling that they will be drinking an ice with "Smirnoff" in front of it, not "Natural".

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  9. What about the fsync problem? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will it be fixed in 3.0, or will I have to wait for 3.1? See, I use Linux and my partitions are ext3. The fsync issue affects me.

    1. Re:What about the fsync problem? by Daimanta · · Score: 5, Informative
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    2. Re:What about the fsync problem? by sootman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Will it be fixed in 3.0, or will I have to wait for 3.1?

      You'll probably have to wait for 3.11 for Workgroups. Or possibly Firefox 95.

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    3. Re:What about the fsync problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The fsync bug was fixed in rc2.

    4. Re:What about the fsync problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You'll probably have to wait for 3.11 for Workgroups. Or possibly Firefox 95. Firefox 95 will be delayed and will not contain the new file system.
    5. Re:What about the fsync problem? by afidel · · Score: 1

      I wish you could do custom moderation, that would get a +1 old skool =)

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    6. Re:What about the fsync problem? by street+struttin' · · Score: 1

      You'll probably have to wait for 3.11 for Workgroups. Or possibly Firefox 95. Firefox 95 will have terrible security and crash all the time. Just wait for Firefox NT and then you'll never need to upgrade again.
    7. Re:What about the fsync problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insert generic comment here stating that Firefox Vista sucks balls and Firefox 2000 was the best ever.

  10. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

    So what do you want? A cookie?

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  11. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Firefox is the best browser out there and it is the only one I will ever allow in my house

    I don't, it sheds hair all over the couch and chases my pet firehen.

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  12. smaller memory footprint by pak9rabid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From what I can tell from using the beta, it seems a lot of the reduced memory footpring from Firefox 3 appears to be the result of it using the OS's native GUI widgets, as opposed to widgets supplied by Firefox itself. FF3 is coming along nicely, but still has a few annoyances that need addressing. Hopefully the release version will address those minor annoyances.

    1. Re:smaller memory footprint by diegocgteleline.es · · Score: 5, Informative

      It doesnt use the native widgets. It uses its own widgets and then it paints them so that they look like they were native (other browsers also do this)

    2. Re:smaller memory footprint by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      Ah..nevermind then.

    3. Re:smaller memory footprint by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Informative
      No, it's not. Haven't you read the news? They completely revamped memory management. Among the improvements, are:

      • Reduced Memory fragmentation
      • Fixed cycles with the Cycle collector
      • Tuned the caches
      • Adjusted how image data is stored (hint: compressed)
      • Hunted down leaks. "Overall, we've been able to close over 400 leak bugs so far, most of which are very uncommon, but can still occur."


    4. Re:smaller memory footprint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I can tell from using the beta, it seems a lot of the reduced memory footpring from Firefox 3 appears to be the result of it using the OS's native GUI widgets, as opposed to widgets supplied by Firefox itself


      No. It's because they went nuts on memory fragmentation, going so far as to include a new malloc() on several platforms.
    5. Re:smaller memory footprint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      firefox uses gtk on linux. Not sure how it handles other platforms.

    6. Re:smaller memory footprint by Eclipse-now · · Score: 1

      Will FF3 still run "Unplug" for downloading mpegs, movies, etc?

  13. Aptitude? by nermaljcat · · Score: 1

    Any news on an aptitude build? This would make it more attractive to upgrade.

    1. Re:Aptitude? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but I heard there will be one available for synaptic. Unforunately, the CLI lovers among us are at a loss.

  14. What about Tabmix Plus? by Alpha+Whisky · · Score: 1

    It's all very well releasing Firefox 3, but when is a compatible version of Tabmix Plus going to be available for it?

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    1. Re:What about Tabmix Plus? by tylervincent · · Score: 1

      That's hard to say since a lot of the add-ons I use don't work with FF3 right now

    2. Re:What about Tabmix Plus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Check the developer's web page (http://tmp.garyr.net/), there is a beta that works fine.

    3. Re:What about Tabmix Plus? by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 1

      Use the latest dev build of TMP. Has worked for me since RC1 (probably before as well, but I didn't upgrade until then).

    4. Re:What about Tabmix Plus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know when I first read this reply I thought it was asking about a compatible version of Tampax. :)

  15. 8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by MollyB · · Score: 3, Informative

    It was part of the Update Manager offerings...
    (no conflicts with beta add-ons)

    1. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by WolverineOfLove · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got it last night, Wednesday 8:30 PM as a Ubuntu upgrade.

    3. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by MollyB · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure... If I go to Help/About, it says Firefox 3.0 (I had been running the beta)

    4. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by MooseMuffin · · Score: 4, Informative

      None of the release candidates identify themselves as release candidates in help/about. You're running RC1.

    5. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by DaveM753 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is RC1. The "About" screen doesn't say it's an RC, but the package did.

    6. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by zlogic · · Score: 1

      That's the whole point of doing an RC - if it's good enough, the installer package is renamed and that's the thing that changes. Not like some Release Candidates (like Vista RC2 which had some old sounds from XP).
      And even Fx3 beta 4 was good enough that when I used it didn't crash at all; hell, Ubuntu 8.04 comes with beta 5 and it's considered to be a really stable release :-)

    7. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by Wymsey · · Score: 1

      Yesterday in the UK!

    8. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by Wymsey · · Score: 1

      It says "version 3.0" in Tools > About. Nothing about RC1. Not that I'm bothered either way :)

    9. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no actually it's probably RC2

    10. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not RC3... which is out now?

    11. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got it today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but clicking Release Notes in the Help menu takes you here, which strangely says "Release Candidate 3" if you updated yesterday. He's likely not running RC1, but this new RC3.

  16. I'm waiting. by oliverthered · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm waiting until flash is ready and all of my addons work with Firefox 3, it's only half a browser without them

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    1. Re:I'm waiting. by Rurik · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't wait, contact the developers! Each add-on developer works independently from the rest of the system. I assumed my extension worked fine in 3.0 and was going to wait until FF3 became finalized, but I received enough comments and issues from beta users that I went and updated mine and continued to update the versions so that it would work with all of the betas and RCs. If there's an extension you need, email the authors and hound them to update it asap.

    2. Re:I'm waiting. by MooseMuffin · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with flash? It's working just fine here on RC2 (and worked back when I tried beta 2 also).

    3. Re:I'm waiting. by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      I'm in the same boat bro. I can't use it untile Flash and FlashBlock are both working correctly.

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    4. Re:I'm waiting. by Kelson · · Score: 1

      I'm in the same boat bro. I can't use it untile Flash and FlashBlock are both working correctly.


      They both work fine for me on RC2... and did on RC1... and did on Beta5...

      What's not working?
    5. Re:I'm waiting. by prestomation · · Score: 1

      That's just it, I'm not sure. The flash works sporadically, even within the same site. i.e. Youtube. Sometimes it will work, sometimes I have to open Konqueror.

    6. Re:I'm waiting. by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Many existing add-ons work fine with Firefox 3 but haven't been checked by their maintainers. Solution: override Firefox's compatibility check for that add-on.
      https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6543

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    7. Re:I'm waiting. by Kjella · · Score: 2, Informative

      You know, I really don't have the time or patience to hunt down half a dozen different extension developres to hound them or assemble my browser by parts. Firefox is IMO not lean and mean, it's a stripped chassis. Using Firefox out of the box, I don't see why anyone would bother. It gets even more hilarious when people blame extensions for incompatibilities, memory leaks and such when extensions are IMO the best reason to use it. I use Opera because it seems to come with most things so reasonably as I want them, I'm sure I could probably tune a Firefox install to be even better but it's just not worth the time and effort. "Extendable" and "Self-assembly" are not synonymous, personally I wish someone would make "distro" versions of firefox and the most popular extensions as one release with proper integration testing. I guess by looking at the market share I'm not in the majority, but I'm happy with Opera and have no plans to switch...

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    8. Re:I'm waiting. by Cyko_01 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that, due to mass adoption, most plugins will be updated within a few weeks of its release

  17. Damn. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 4, Funny

    I dont have a party hat.

    All I have is a cloak and a wizard hat.

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    1. Re:Damn. by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 3, Funny

      I cast Level 7 Noscript. Firefox turns into the best browser.

    2. Re:Damn. by street+struttin' · · Score: 1

      My only hat is tinfoil. And I'm not replacing it with anything. And if you try to make me, you're one of them.

    3. Re:Damn. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      bloodninja: I meditate to regain my mana, before casting Lvl. 8 chicken of the Infinite.
      BritneySpears14: Funny I still don't see it. "Chicken"?
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    4. Re:Damn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I have is a cloak and a wizard hat. WOW - you work for Alltell - What's going to happen to you after the Verizon buyout?
    5. Re:Damn. by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 1

      damn slashdot content filter..

    6. Re:Damn. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      It is not the Slashdot filter. The page you cited has the same edit. You'd think a site hosting such content would think to turn of their own filters.

      Rick Gassko: Not that I'm complaining, but I usually don't like my filth this clean!

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    7. Re:Damn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I put on his robe and wizard hat...

  18. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Rurik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you thought it was so good, wouldn't you have upgraded to the release candidate weeks ago instead of continuing to use the beta? :)

  19. No Big Deal by Aaron+M.+Renn · · Score: 1

    I've been using one of the release candidates that got installed by default when I updated ubuntu. It isn't doing much for me, frankly. The only thing they've fixed that I consider a big win is the memory leak issue from FF2. What's so exciting about this new release?

    1. Re:No Big Deal by moore.dustin · · Score: 1

      Which memory leak bug? The main one that accumulates memory with open tabs? I have heard that it was still not addressed in FF3, but that was a bit ago and I hope this is it! It would be nice to be able to not have to close FF with Force Quit.. Every... Single... Time...

    2. Re:No Big Deal by tuffy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The main one that accumulates memory with open tabs? I have heard that it was still not addressed in FF3, but that was a bit ago and I hope this is it!

      It has been addressed. While FF2 would hog all my available RAM over the course of a day, FF3 releases memory regularly as tabs are closed.

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    3. Re:No Big Deal by moore.dustin · · Score: 1

      As tabs are closed? So if you have many tabs persistently open you will still run into memory issues? I guess that even if they did not fix everything, they certainly made some headway if this is true. I suppose releasing memory upon a tab being closed would reduce my force quits by half or so. That's something I guess!

    4. Re:No Big Deal by dhasenan · · Score: 1

      If I load a lot of data in an application, it'll use a lot of RAM? Why????

    5. Re:No Big Deal by moore.dustin · · Score: 1

      Har har ... you're so clever! If I load the same data(Read: Tabs) in IE7 and FF2, FF2 will eat memory till there is non left to consume while IE7 maintains the memory usage within an acceptable range that is far lower than that of what FF2 would use.

      Worthless troll.

  20. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by chunk08 · · Score: 1

    I wonder how they came up with the name Firefox? To me it brings to mind the story of Samson in Judges

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  21. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Cerberus7 · · Score: 1

    It always made me think of the novel and Clint Eastwood movie.

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  22. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by pak9rabid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Firefox is the best browser out there and it is the only one I will ever allow in my house and I even have the thumb drive version. This is when a 'fanboi' mod would come in handy.
  23. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  24. Google toolbar? Firebug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will 3.0-compatible versions be ready?

    I'm not migrating without them.

  25. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by springbox · · Score: 5, Funny

    So what do you want? A cookie?
    Free cookie, visit Google
  26. Addons have to be updated by the developer... by Coopjust · · Score: 1

    ...Mozilla cannot write every extension. A LOT of addons weren't updated for the Firefox 2 betas or RCs, but were updated within a few days for Firefox 2.0 final.

    In the meantime, why don't you email the developer of your extension and ask?

  27. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Bully for you. Did you want a Blue Peter badge? I have Opera 9.5 and it is the only one I will ever allow in my house and I even have the thumb drive version. http://www.opera-usb.com/operausben.htm

  28. Re:Addons by tuffy · · Score: 5, Informative

    NoScript, Adblock Plus (w. Filterset.G) and FlashBlock are supported in the current 3.0pre Firefox, so they'll work in the final build. Checking Mozilla's addons website isn't that hard, really.

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  29. Excessive CPU usage in OS X 10.4? by chinmay7 · · Score: 1

    I've been using the betas and RCs for a while now, and I've noticed that for some reason, Firefox is using an unusual amount of CPU cycles. When a Firefox window is open, FF uses 15-20% CPU (on my SantaRosa 2GHz MacBook Pro) continuously. When the window is closed (but FF is still running) the usage drops down to 1-2% I don't think this happened with FF2. Any idea why this might be so, and if there are any workarounds?

    1. Re:Excessive CPU usage in OS X 10.4? by despe666 · · Score: 1

      Don't know if this is related or not, but they did release a new RC yesterday aimed directly at fixing an old outstanding Mac bug. Don't know if this was the bug they fixed though.

  30. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Dmala · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was originally called Firebird, a reference to the Phoenix and the idea that the app was born from the ashes of Netscape. They changed it after receiving complaints from the Firebird database people, keeping the "fire" and swapping out the animal. I assume the fox was chosen for the alliteration and for the image of the fox as being scrappy and independent. Fireslug just doesn't have the same ring...

  31. It was on the Ubuntui update last nite.... by 3seas · · Score: 1, Redundant

    .... or was this release canadate 3? I looked in the "about" box and unlike the previous version showing the release canidate number, this was simply version 3.0

    I'm confused?

    1. Re:It was on the Ubuntui update last nite.... by Blimey85 · · Score: 1

      For some reason the last RC didn't have say it was an RC build. File a bug report and see if they get this fixed by Tuesday... lol

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    2. Re:It was on the Ubuntui update last nite.... by J0nne · · Score: 1

      It's probably the final, unless a bug crops up at the last minute. Don't forget that Release Candidate means: this is the version we'll ship, unless we find there's something wrong with it.

      http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/140-Firefox-3-to-be-released-next-week-Tue,-Jun-17.html

    3. Re:It was on the Ubuntui update last nite.... by novafluxx · · Score: 1

      That's because the RC becomes the final if its not changed. RC3 will be the final. I'm sure we'll see 3.0.1 soon though. Once its fully released and the majority of users upgrade to it.

    4. Re:It was on the Ubuntui update last nite.... by -Tango21- · · Score: 1

      Nope, it was just an update from a beta version to release candidate 1 (RC1).

    5. Re:It was on the Ubuntui update last nite.... by BZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      An RC is an RC. If no stop-ship bugs come up, those exact bits on disk become final, with no more changes. That includes changing text in about boxes.

      Hence every RC for Firefox 3 has said "3.0" in the about box.

    6. Re:It was on the Ubuntui update last nite.... by Blimey85 · · Score: 1

      Which obviously, as witness on /. today, causes confusion. An RC should be marked RC and only the final version should have no extra verbage. Or you could take it farther and have it say Final or Gold or Most-Badass-Browser-Ever-Finally-In-Its-final-form-and... well, you get the idea.

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    7. Re:It was on the Ubuntui update last nite.... by BZ · · Score: 1

      The confusion is judged worth avoiding the risk of introducing regressions by making changes between test and ship.

  32. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by nuzak · · Score: 4, Informative

    > I wonder how they came up with the name Firefox?

    It used to be called Phoenix, which was to evoke the whole "rising from the ashes" imagery WRT the (at the time) moribund Mozilla project. The BIOS people didn't like that and asked them to change it, so they renamed it Firebird, which the database people weren't keen on. So finally they came up with Firefox, and it stuck. Better name anyway.

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  33. Tuesday... by Landshark17 · · Score: 1

    is also my 21st birthday, we'll see how well Guinness and Firefox mix.

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    1. Re:Tuesday... by farmerj · · Score: 1

      is also my 21st birthday, we'll see how well Guinness and Firefox mix. Probably not very well ;-)

      Now Bushmills, that might might get along a little better with it.

      Hope the birthday doesn't get too messy!

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    2. Re:Tuesday... by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 1

      Sometimes it leads to dark scary corners of the net... When you get older, I'll tell you about the time that I met these two girls and gave them a cup.

  34. But will it work? by el_chupanegre · · Score: 1

    It's a real shame that they are releasing it with so many serious bugs remaining.

    I, and many others, have been experiencing multiple crashes on a daily basis in all betas and release candidates. I have filed a bug report (and I submit the problem every time it crashes) and yet they never really acknowledge it exists.

    The problem is Mac OSX specific and is something to do with the native theme and Objective-C in the DrawCellWithScaling section. I'd try and fix it myself, but I don't know and don't want to know Objective-C.

    1. Re:But will it work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't make it work 100% reliably on 100% of the machines. I personally have been using the OS X version since beta4 and it's been rock solid - never had a crash.

      At some point you just have to draw the line.

    2. Re:But will it work? by nermaljcat · · Score: 1

      From the table, it looks like the developers mainly use Solaris or Linux. The crash counts for those OS' are very low in comparison.

      Or maybe - they are simply more stable!! (Mac is still 'low' relative to M$ Windoze)

    3. Re:But will it work? by el_chupanegre · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course you can't make it work 100%, no non-trivial piece of software is bug free. I wasn't saying it should be.

      However, there are a fair few pretty serious bugs on there that for me should halt release until they are fixed. Multiple daily crashes is something that can really put someone off your product.

      The top bug on the page I linked is reported 14,000 times in 2 weeks. At 1,000 times per day, just for those who 1) have a beta/RC of FF3 and 2) actually bothered to report it, when that gets released and downloaded millions of times that can do some serious damage to your reputation.

      Personally, I wouldn't be releasing it with that many bug reports per day for the handful of people who actually have a beta/RC.

    4. Re:But will it work? by bunratty · · Score: 1

      That top crashers report is generated from Breakpad reports, which are sent automatically. The user does have to agree to send the report, but this is as easy as clicking OK. The list also shows only the most common 100 crashes. So let's say that instead of the 177561 reports of crashes over the past two weeks, there were 500000 crashes over the past two weeks. With 2 million active daily users, that comes out to an average of one crash every two months for each daily user. Checking my about:crashes info, I see my last Firefox 3 crash was in March and the one before that was in January. I have been an active daily user since last year, so my frequency of crashes seems typical. My conclusion is that your experience of "multiple daily crashes" is very unusual, not typical of the experience most get with Firefox 3. Crashing once every two months for the most active users doesn't seem too bad for a point-oh release to me.

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    5. Re:But will it work? by bunratty · · Score: 1

      The list is sorted by total number of crashes. Because Windows is the most used operating system, crashes that are common on Windows dominate the list. If you look down the list some, you can find a Linux crash that occurs 94 times, and one that occurs 79 times. Of course, these show up on the list only because they also happen on Windows. There may be crashes on Linux that have occurred hundreds of times that do not appear on the list. My conclusion is that crashes for Linux and Solaris are low simply because those operating systems are not popular on desktop computers used for web browsing.

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    6. Re:But will it work? by citylivin · · Score: 1

      Maybe if you call out to steve jobs he will save you. No?

      Wheres your jobs now!!

      Personally, if I was a dev, I wouldnt stop until things were actively broken on macos. No one should have to suffer through using that platform. All you macophile cultists deserve what you get

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    7. Re:But will it work? by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Funny, people said the same thing about Opera 9.5. I think it's just that all software gets released with some known bugs, or it'd never go out.

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  35. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by quanticle · · Score: 1

    Well, originally, the browser was called "Phoenix", for the obvious reason. However, I believe Phoenix was trademarked, so the Mozilla folk couldn't use it.

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  36. Re:Bjarne said it right by mhall119 · · Score: 1

    Apache made a MapReduce implementation in Java that is quite extensively used.

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  37. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by yuriyg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Me: Oh the great, all-knowing wikipedia, please enlighten me on the reason Mozilla Firefox chose such a glorious name!
    Wikipedia: It was first named "Phoenix", because it arose from the ashes of Netscape. Then (due to international copyright laws and conflict with Phoenix Technologies) they chose to rename the great product as "Firebird," and all rejoiced! Alas, the great joy did not last long, as the wicked Firebird Database Server users started to complain. The great creators then finally settled on the name that is heard throughout the land: FIREFOX!

    I did have to sacrifice a goat though...

  38. Can it [properly] handle mailto:? by bogaboga · · Score: 1
    My current beef with firefox concerns mailto: links. I wonder whether it can satisfactorily handle these links.

    Once clicked in the current version of Firefox on windows without a default mail client defined, (I will not touch outlook!), the system fires up 48 instances of Internet Explorer, which in turn says it does not know how to handle the URL!

    My hope and expectation is for Firefox to give me an option of defining a mail client or fire-up my GMail. Can anyone whose tested it inform a slashdoter? Thank you.

    1. Re:Can it [properly] handle mailto:? by EricTheGreen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Set Firefox 3 to launch GMail for mailto links

      IMO getting the handler set up properly shouldn't be nearly this fussy, but it does work; I use it myself.

      HTH...

    2. Re:Can it [properly] handle mailto:? by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Yes, it will open mailto links in GMail or whatever.

  39. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It had to do with the real animal Fire Fox. I'm not sure if they meant the fox or the panda. Given the icon, I'm guessing the fox.

  40. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    Nah, he probably set his Firefox to reject all cookies anyway.

  41. Opera 9.5 by shird · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Just wanted to add to the comments about Opera being a far better browser, and have just released 9.5. Judging by the comments so far, I gather I'm not the only one who sees it as the superior browser, it really deserves more attention here.

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  42. Re:Addons by spyrochaete · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Considering Mozilla gets millions of dollars of funding from Google I doubt you'll ever see a native ad blocker bundled with the distro.

  43. Address bar fixed yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they fix the worse than useless un-wonderful bar without a half-asses extension? No? Then I, and several hundred thousand users, will not bother to download it until then, and the rest will uninstall FF3 once they discover it.

  44. Re:Addons by bcmm · · Score: 1

    No, the extensions will support Firefox 3. You realise they're written by people who aren't necessarily Mozilla devs, right?

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    Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  45. Firefox has bugs too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can finally use inline-block.. yey :) .. well .. that is not now, but in 2 months or so, everyone will use firefox 3.

  46. What the hell does that mean? by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It is our expectation to ship Firefox 3 this upcoming Tuesday, June 17th.
    Are they actually mailing out CDs to anyone, then? Or do they still have a couple of last-minute changes to make from the release candidate you can download right now?

  47. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I have Opera 9.5 and it is the only one I will ever allow in my house

    When you live alone, no one really cares what you allow in your house.

    Me, I'm not known to my household as a control freak. I set the default browser and that's it. About the only time I put my foot down on what I won't allow is installing QuickTime. Damn piece of junk breaks everything else.

  48. Re:Addons by dq5+studios · · Score: 2, Informative

    AdBlock (with filterset.g) No, you'll have to update to Adblock Plus and use one of the built in filters which is for the best anyways since Adblock was discontinued some time ago and Filterset.g has some horrible slowdown problems.
  49. Re:What about Opera 9.5 by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 1

    ~1% desktop market share=not news.

    That pretty much covers it.

  50. Re:Addons by MSG · · Score: 2, Informative

    Adblock plus deprecated filterset.g. That filterset caused too many problems for users, so adblock plus introduced new subscriptions that cause fewer problems and don't require additional components.

    http://adblockplus.org/en/faq_project#filterset.g

    In short: don't use filterset.g. Use Adblock Plus.

  51. Re:Addons by hansamurai · · Score: 1

    They all work, but it's actually recommended you don't use Filterset.g. I used to use it but switched to EasyList about a year ago when I read the developer's comments on it.

    http://adblockplus.org/en/faq_project

  52. Master password spamming bug by blackjackshellac · · Score: 0
    And they rush to release even though there are still major problems with the Master password dialog, that can be easily spoofed, or spams you on startup if you are reopening a previous sessin with HTTP authentication dialogs. Both of these bugs could easily have been dealt with before this release, but in the rush to get this thing out they haven't recognised either of these for the major problems they present for security on the Firefox platform.


    I'm almost ready to go back to opera.

    --
    Salut,

    Jacques

  53. Re:Addons by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

    you have a lot of redundancy in that set of plugins - i am using ff3 with "adblock plus" and noscript running fine. Adblock+filterset.g and flashblock are not necessary.

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  54. hmm by GregNorc · · Score: 1

    I used the OSx86 optimized build... any idea how much between the official release and mine will be?

  55. Firefox has severe problems with IPv6 by Omnifarious · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Firefox basically can't do SOCKS proxying and connect to IPv6 sites, even if you configure a SOCKS5 proxy which can handle IPv6.

  56. anonymous surfing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    much better to use one browser for 'professional' material, the other for... the more base side of things. even better to set the cache and history for the 'base' browser to minimum.

    1. Re:anonymous surfing by sulfur · · Score: 1

      That's what different profiles are for.

  57. Re:Memory issues by Ken_g6 · · Score: 1

    I've been using the RC, and must say the memory issues that the Mozilla developers have tried to claim never existed, are almost nonexistent now. Is that because all the extensions that the Mozilla developers have tried to claim caused all memory issues are not compatible with FF3?
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  58. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by maxume · · Score: 1

    I continue to be disappointed in the GNU people calling their branding package Iceweasel. First, it is weaselly, and second, they could have used Ireox, at the very least until Mozilla told them to cut it out.

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  59. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by BUL2294 · · Score: 1

    So what do you want? A cookie?
    Free cookie, visit Google
    Donate blood. You'll get your free cookie and feel high (but not almighty) at the same time.
    --
    Windows 3.1x calc: 3.11 - 3.10 = 0.00
  60. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    IIRC, the BIOS maker Phoenix had an embedded browser, so Mozilla's "Phoenix Browser" was considered misleading.

    Given that kind of a premise, how stupid was it to rename it Firebird, given the bazillion products with that name already?

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  61. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    They changed it after receiving complaints from the Firebird database [firebirdsql.org] people, keeping the "fire" and swapping out the animal. I assume the fox was chosen for the alliteration and for the image of the fox as being scrappy and independent. I thought it was because you could kill your targets with just a thought but you have to do your thinking in Russian.
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    This Mahdi took Shaddam's Throne
  62. That, my friends, is... by sheepoo · · Score: 0

    exciting news!

  63. Will Firefox 3 fix the annoying .net bug? by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously, at least half a dozen times a day I will type in a an address into the address bar, hit enter, and then Firefox tacks a ".net" to the end of it. It directs me to some spammer squatter site, and I have to go back up to the address bar and delete the .net. I have no idea why it will happen sometimes and other times it won't. However, I was curious if other Slashdot users have experienced such an annoyance.

    1. Re:Will Firefox 3 fix the annoying .net bug? by MP3Chuck · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you SHIFT+Enter in the address bar it'll tack a http://www on the front and a .net on the end. It has happened to me accidentally before, but nothing consistent or even remotely frequent...

    2. Re:Will Firefox 3 fix the annoying .net bug? by D+Ninja · · Score: 2, Informative

      Additionally, if you hit Ctrl+Enter it'll tack a http://www. and a .com on the end.

      I personally really like this feature.

    3. Re:Will Firefox 3 fix the annoying .net bug? by simscitizen · · Score: 1

      As mentioned by the parent, that's a feature, not a bug. Also, if you type in and hit ctrl+enter, it'll add www. to the from and .com to the end. (Same behavior as in IE.) I use these features all the time. I know some people will say "just type in and hit enter and the browser will figure it out for you" (especially with Safari) but 1) that's not as fast and 2) I want to resolve to ., not some random DNS name the browser chooses for me.

    4. Re:Will Firefox 3 fix the annoying .net bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious? It's a very useful shortcut:

      ctrl+enter www..com
      shift+enter www..net
      ctrl+shift+enter www..org

  64. Re:Addons by mxs · · Score: 1

    Thereby ensuring that websites are going to try to insert even more obnoxious ads that do not get blocked by the default install ? No thanks.

  65. "Awesome"Bar (was Re:Zoom) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's an example of the old address bar algorithm:

    * Clear the address bar
    * Type the letter "c"
    * The sites listed are your most frequently visited sites beginning with "c"

    Here's an example of the new one:

    * Clear the address bar
    * Type the letter "c"
    * The sites listed are your most frequently visited sites with words beginning with "c", and ".com" counts as a word

    There really needs to be a way to restore the old matching behavior, and as Richard_at_work says, the oldbar extension doesn't accomplish that.

    It's more like an "AwfulBar" than an "AwesomeBar".

    1. Re:"Awesome"Bar (was Re:Zoom) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * Clear the address bar
      * Type the letter "c"
      * The sites listed are your most frequently visited sites with words beginning with "c", and ".com" counts as a word Sadly you're wrong. You sad "beginning with c" and it's actually "contains a c." For example, if I type "c" it comes up with "localhost," followed by "gmail.com," then "localhost" a second time, then another ".com," then "localhost" a third time, and then a bunch of ".com"s. Note that the several localhosts are all technically different URLs, but still, they only contain two "c"s in the URL - one in localhost, and another in "webservice" since I'm a web developer.

      But the new algorithm has to go. When I type in "slashdot.org" it comes up with several random stories from "tech.slashdot.org" but it does not list http://slashdot.org/. Apparently reloading the page doesn't count as visiting it.
    2. Re:"Awesome"Bar (was Re:Zoom) by DivineGod · · Score: 1

      You need to learn it to enter slashdot.org for the term slashdot.org, so just hit enter when you have written slashdot.org then a little later you will have slashdot.org as top result and just entering slashdot will bring it to the top.

  66. Re:Addons by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

    For what reason do you need both flashblock AND noscript?

  67. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by TClevenger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Firefox is the best browser out there and it is the only one I will ever allow in my house and I even have the thumb drive version.

    This is when a 'fanboi' mod would come in handy.

    It sounds even better when you say it in a Ralph Wiggum voice.

  68. Re:Addons by Rolgar · · Score: 1

    AdBlock Plus and NoScript are already updated and working on RC2. I'd like to get Tab Mix Plus, but other than that many of the more popular ones are already up to date.

  69. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by yuriyg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can't... resist...
    In Soviet Russia, a thought can get YOU killed!

  70. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by WonkoS · · Score: 1

    However, "firebananaslug" might be apropos due to current events in the dry Santa Cruz mountains

  71. Re:Addons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People still use Flashblock? I thought newer versions of NoScript made Flashblock obsolete.

    Those are about the only things that make FF better than Opera

    Opera has these things built in. My personal assessment:

    Opera > NoScript
    Adblock Plus > Opera
    Opera > Flashblock

    YMMV

  72. Thank you. by Bananatree3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You're right it isn't a bug, its a feature! I have been hitting at the very bottom end of the Enter key, so I've been simultaneously striking the top of the Shift key at the same time. I'll just make sure its more in the center next time.

    1. Re:Thank you. by The+Moof · · Score: 1

      Call it what you want, I still want the ability to turn it off without having to hunt down an extension.

    2. Re:Thank you. by LMacG · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try changing the value for browser.fixup.alternate.enabled to false. I'm assuming that will turn off ctrl-enter for automatic ".com" completion as well.

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    3. Re:Thank you. by The+Moof · · Score: 1

      That's usually the first thing I do. For reasons unknown, it doesn't do anything for the Shift+Enter "feature"

    4. Re:Thank you. by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

      have you logged a bug on bugzilla?

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  73. I lost the ability to save passwords with FF3 RC2 by HouseOfMisterE · · Score: 1

    I was trying out Firefox 3.0 RC2 on my main windows XP PC, and after a couple of days Firefox lost the ability to remember passwords between sessions. I could have probably fixed the problem by blowing away my Firefox profile and recreating it, but the whole point of upgrading to 3.0 with an existing user profile in place was to keep important things like passwords. I ended up restoring a copy of my Firefox user profile that I had made before upgrading, uninstalling Firefox 3.0 RC2, and reinstalling the most recent Firefox 2.x. That fixed my problems for now. I'll try Firefox 3 again later.

  74. MS Response? by c00rdb · · Score: 1
    1. Re:MS Response? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too easy...

      The cake is a lie.

      (Captcha is 'thawed'... maybe it was an ice cream cake. That sounds more like Microsoft. "We sent it on cake Wednesday, the first Wednesday of every month!")

    2. Re:MS Response? by gblues · · Score: 1

      The cake is a lie.

  75. Cue the generic Slashdot angst and hate! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [Insert generic "I hate the Awesomebar, why can't it be like the FF2 bar, takes up too many resources, waaah waaah" whine here]

    jump back a few years

    [Insert generic "I hate the dropdown that shows you the sites you've been to recently, it's a security violation for my pr0n stashes, takes up too many resources, waaah waaah" whine here]

    jump back a few years

    [Insert generic "I hate the destination bar, it clutters up the interface where a Lynx-style hotkey would do much better, why does change have to happen, waaah waah" whine here]

    jump back a few years

    [Insert generic "Web browser? What's wrong with Gopher?" whine here]

  76. Re:Addons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using RC2 myself, and NoScript and AdBlock (with filterset.g) are working fine. And from Mozilla's site, it looks like FlashBlock should run too.

  77. Download Record by shamer · · Score: 1

    So how are they going to count total downloads ?

    Will it be restricted by IP ?
    Whats stopping a group of people from scripting non stop downloads for 24 hours ?
    Whats to stop the next "big release of (brand X software)" from doing this as well..

    Why is it even a Guinness World Record ?

    1. Re:Download Record by bunratty · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to the Download Day FAQ, they will discard duplicate downloads.

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    2. Re:Download Record by shamer · · Score: 1

      arr i guess it would help if i red TFA.

      my bad.

  78. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by alx5000 · · Score: 1

    You're not telling it subtlely enough:

    Mammon slept. And the beast reborn spread over the earth and its numbers grew legion. And they proclaimed the times and sacrificed crops unto the fire, with the cunning of foxes. And they built a new world in their own image as promised by the sacred words, and spoke of the beast with their children. Mammon awoke, and lo! it was naught but a follower.

    from The Book of Mozilla, 11:9
    (10th Edition)
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    My 0.02 cents
  79. Pledge map: Can someone explain Poland? by Liancourt+Rocks · · Score: 2, Informative
    Just checking the pledge map here: http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/

    Gives some fascinating insights on which countries care about Firefox the most... and which countries are playing catch-up with the tubes (well done South America, gogogo Africa!)

    Also interesting is the difference between Korea (4000+ pledges) and Japan (43000+) which are both IMHO, two Internet savvy countries. Even without accounting for the difference in size, from my experience, Korea just doesn't seem to care about Firefox (Korean sites are pretty much IE only).

    However, the one I don't understand is Poland. Of all the countries in eastern Europe, how come so many pledges come from there? Say even compared to France or the UK?

    So, any IT work to be found in Poland? Fast tubes? Yummy zubrovka and women? Can't go wrong with that, really...

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    1. Re:Pledge map: Can someone explain Poland? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also interesting is the difference between Korea (4000+ pledges) and Japan (43000+) which are both IMHO, two Internet savvy countries. Even without accounting for the difference in size, from my experience, Korea just doesn't seem to care about Firefox (Korean sites are pretty much IE only).

      I agree with Korea sites being IE only. In fact, the website for one of the games that I used to play is strictly an IE-only site. They had enough JavaScripts incorporated into their pages that it would only react positively if you are not using IE (includes FF and Opera), then redirected to a "YOU MUST USE IE!!" page. Even User Agent Switcher couldn't thwart the detection. Their American clone was the same until about a year ago when they finally decided to remove the restriction.
    2. Re:Pledge map: Can someone explain Poland? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Regarding Poland - two things play a role here.

      1. Fanboyism is generally much more rampant then in many places.

      2. Alternative browsers really have a large portion of market share here:
      - IE 54%
      - Gecko 39%
      - Opera 7%

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    3. Re:Pledge map: Can someone explain Poland? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Firefox usage is very high in Poland, according to Xiti Monitor. In fact, the second-highest in Europe. They show a corridor of high Firefox usage in Central Europe, running from Poland to Slovenia. Check out their last report for the red countries on the map.

    4. Re:Pledge map: Can someone explain Poland? by BZ · · Score: 3, Informative

      South Korea has the minor issue that they started doing internet banking very early, before SSL got standardized. So they came up with their own encryption setup.

      They use it to this day, with an ActiveX control to handle the encryption. Which means you can't use any serious bank site (and can't use a lot of e-commerce sites) in South Korea unless you're using IE on Windows. There is basically no marketshare for Macs or non-IE browsers as a result.

    5. Re:Pledge map: Can someone explain Poland? by Saija · · Score: 1

      Just checking the pledge map here: http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/ [spreadfirefox.com] Gives some fascinating insights on which countries care about Firefox the most... and which countries are playing catch-up with the tubes (well done South America, gogogo Africa!) Hey this part of the world doesn't care much about something different a IE ("the internet" how many people called it here),so is surprising to see that 14394 pledges from my country... ;)
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  80. FF3 Annoyances by drew · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been using Firefox 3 on my linux partition since I upgraded to Ubuntu Hardy a few months ago. Honestly, I've found the new version to be more of an annoyance than anything else, although it's been hard for me to figure out how many of these annoyances were due to Firefox itself, and how many were due to Ubuntu.

    1) Font rendering problems. Any font sizes specified in points were about 2-3 times the size they were supposed to be relative to anything else on the page. I eventually figured out that to fix this I had to manually set layout.css.dpi in about:config.

    2) It feels significantly more sluggish than 2.0, although this has gradually been getting better lately. Maybe by the time it's actually released they will have this all worked out.

    3) URL bar #1: I do find the new algorithm of the "awesomebar" to be annoying, although I can see how it might be a better experience once I get used to it. I'm going to hold off judgement on this until I've had a bit more time to get used to it, but regardless of the sorting matching algorithm, it just looks way too cluttered.

    4) URL bar #2: They have changed the selection behavior in the URL bar to always select the entire url. There doesn't seem to be any way to quickly select a single portion of the URL for example to change from http://games.slashdot.org/ to http://hardware.slashdot.org/. I have found this to be the single most annoying feature of the new Firefox by far. In fact that alone is probably enough to keep me from upgrading on my other computers.

    While none of these annoyances by themselves are deal breakers, I have yet to notice any changes (from an end-user standpoint - I understand the rendering engine has been significantly improved, which is great, but doesn't really help me all that much) that really make me want to upgrade.

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    1. Re:FF3 Annoyances by lpangelrob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm. My experiences are limited to Win2k and OS X 10.5, so they may not apply to you.

      Fonts - weird stuff sometimes. Some pages I need to increase the text size twice before it becomes readable. But most pages are OK on default.

      Sluggish - I have the opposite experience in both OSes, in that it takes up significantly less memory, and renders pages faster. I've previous mentioned a GTK bug of some sort in Win2k that persists in Pidgin, so it's not a FF issue. (The most recent Win2k issue is that the Flash auto-installer just doesn't work.)

      URL - I like the awesomebar because I remember titles and portions of links about 85% of the time. The awesomebar helps me out with this. Maybe getting in the habit of double-clicking the part of the URL you want to change would work better for you? (Unless you're an exclusive Ctrl+L guy... then you're just SOL.)

    2. Re:FF3 Annoyances by drew · · Score: 1

      I like the awesomebar because I remember titles and portions of links about 85% of the time. The awesomebar helps me out with this.

      Well, as I said, I'm still a bit on the fence about this. I think I find it annoying now just because I'm used to the way FF2 matches what i type in, so the results I get in FF3 seem unpredictable to me. I assume as I become more familiar with it, the results it returns will start to become more predictable. It also looks a little less cluttered after the Ubuntu update I just installed (which is claiming to be 3.0?)

      Maybe getting in the habit of double-clicking the part of the URL you want to change would work better for you?

      That's what I've been doing forever. But in FF3, double clicking anywhere in the URL bar selects the entire thing, which as I said leaves no efficient way (that I can discover) to select just part of a URL.
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    3. Re:FF3 Annoyances by brentonboy · · Score: 1

      There doesn't seem to be any way to quickly select a single portion of the URL
      In Windows, FF3 lets you double click to do this. I have the same problem in Ubuntu and it is by far the worst thing about FF3 in Ubuntu.
    4. Re:FF3 Annoyances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About the sluggishness issue. It's painfully sluggish for me on Ubuntu. It freezes all the time and slows down the rest of the system sometimes too. On windows XP though, the experience is great. FF3 is much faster and doesn't have any of the slowdowns I experience on Ubuntu.

    5. Re:FF3 Annoyances by bakes · · Score: 1

      1) Font rendering problems. Any font sizes specified in points were about 2-3 times the size they were supposed to be relative to anything else on the page. I eventually figured out that to fix this I had to manually set layout.css.dpi in about:config. I had this problem too, but assumed it was a glitch in the CSS of the two websites (both run by me) that I had trouble with. I never got around to any real investigation of how to fix it. Strangely, when I set my screen resolution to 1024x768 to run a projector in clone mode those websites appeared as normal.

      After the update to the RC from Ubuntu's auto-update the problem disappeared.

      I didn't notice any sluggishness, if anything it seemed slightly faster for me. As for your complaints with the URL bar - well, different people work differently, it didn't bother me at all but I can see how you might find it annoying.
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    6. Re:FF3 Annoyances by GScottW · · Score: 1

      4) URL bar #2: They have changed the selection behavior in the URL bar to always select the entire url. There doesn't seem to be any way to quickly select a single portion of the URL for example to change from http://games.slashdot.org/ to http://hardware.slashdot.org/. I have found this to be the single most annoying feature of the new Firefox by far. In fact that alone is probably enough to keep me from upgrading on my other computers. This behavior can be changed with about:config. Change the value "browser.urlbar.clickSelectsAll" from true to false.

      This article in Macworld has more information:
      http://www.macworld.com/article/133674/2008/05/ff3urls.html
    7. Re:FF3 Annoyances by Vexorian · · Score: 1
      Linux user here:

      1) I always use Dejavu sans for font, so the fact I didn't notice this could be related to that, so no opinion.

      2) I can say beta 5 was a little regressional speed wise, a situation that has improved with rc1. But overall to me firefox 3 feels to bring a level of performance I did not notice before.

      3-4) Get used to it, it is truly awesome. I really was inept at using the history before, it was always very hard to find stuff, now I am able to find that page I visited 2 hours ago by just remembering something about the title. It just simplified things a lot. Regarding clutter, I disagree, it is good that it shows icons, titles and URLs, mostly because sites like slashdot have URLS like http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=581753&cid=23767373 , also, RC1 seems to have improved the bar's look so it is not as bad as before.

      While none of these annoyances by themselves are deal breakers, I have yet to notice any changes (from an end-user standpoint - I understand the rendering engine has been significantly improved, which is great, but doesn't really help me all that much) that really make me want to upgrade.
      Well, in my case , the performance has improved a lot, and the "awesomebar" has made me more effective at navigation, so I swithced to firefox 3 ever since beta 4.
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    8. Re:FF3 Annoyances by zobier · · Score: 1

      Maybe getting in the habit of double-clicking the part of the URL you want to change would work better for you?
      That's what I've been doing forever. But in FF3, double clicking anywhere in the URL bar selects the entire thing, which as I said leaves no efficient way (that I can discover) to select just part of a URL. That's definitely a window manager/UI toolkit issue, on Win and Mac you can double click to select the portion between punctuations.
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    9. Re:FF3 Annoyances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure what you're talking about, with regard to double-clicking to select a word from the address bar, because I'm running fx2 and it behaves the same way as you are describing, and has for as long as I can remember.

    10. Re:FF3 Annoyances by drew · · Score: 1

      From the information that I've been able to track down, the issue is not with your font setup so much as with your monitor setup. It seems that in some configurations, Firefox (or perhaps X?) can not correctly determine the DPI of your display. If the calculated DPI is significantly larger than your actual DPI, any fonts measured in points will be absurdly large. It seems to mostly happen with multiple monitor setups, switching back and forth between a laptop display and external display, or running under VMWare.

      Normally I'd chalk it up as an X issue, except that so far I've only noticed it in Firefox, and all of the bug reports I've seen discussing the issue only mention FF3.

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  81. Re:8.04 Hardy Heron users got RC1 today by MollyB · · Score: 1

    Thanks to you and WolverineOfLove. I stand corrected, having followed WOL's link, and examined the downloadable versions, all of which included +RC1 in the package name. Appreciate the info, all.

  82. Feature: Re:Will Firefox 3 fix the annoying .net? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    when typing in the url in the address bar:
    [enter] Takes what you typed in, will assume http:// if not provided
    [ctrl+enter] http://www.url.com
    [shift+enter] http://www.url.net
    [ctrl+shift+enter] http://www.url.org

    It's not a bug.

  83. Re:Addons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But to answer the question, adblock and filterset work fine, not sure about the other two. Since they seem to be popular I'd imagine that they'll be compatible already.

  84. Sorry kids by neuromancer23 · · Score: 1

    You can download Firefox for free, but you have to fight for your right to party.

  85. Opera very fast by codeboost · · Score: 1

    Currently I'm 'browsing around with no particular purpose' only because the new Opera is so damn fast and I'm just enjoying the ride. It's a browsing revelation, really :).

    Too bad this is not considered newsworthy for a separate article on ./ .
    I know it's not OSS and FF 3 is about to be released and all, but still, I don't think it's OK to act like nothing happened.

    1. Re:Opera very fast by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      Agreed, it seems to be about 20% faster on average, sometimes twice as fast for some things. And the Java improvements are great, Java apps even show up in the SpeedDial/Previews now too, properly.

      Although, I immediately reverted back to my prefered skin, the new defualt one was...well... like playing with old block-style lego...

    2. Re:Opera very fast by KDingo · · Score: 1

      I just got the Linux version. Page loads haven't been this fast since version 8 on this platform, on this same computer, iirc. And it scores an 83/100 on the Acid3 test with a few jerking moments while loading. I am personally very pleased with this version because too often with version 9 I have encountered pages which peg the CPU and take too long to load.

      Although... It might be my configuration or something, but CJK fonts look all trashy now. Using the bitmap fonts instead of the scalable ones.

      Besides that, Kudos to Opera Software. I've been a fan since version 6 on Windows.

  86. Can I install 3.0 and keep my 2.0 configuration? by MLS100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd like to test it but don't want to screw up my 2.0 config before I know it is worth upgrading.

  87. Re:Memory issues by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, most extensions have been updated for FF3, and one of the changes made in the allocator allows for automatic cycle collection. Previously, extensions had to break cycles themselves, making it relatively easy for them to leak memory, but with automatic cycle collection, it's easier to write a leak free extension. See this article on memory improvements

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  88. Firebug by nickruiz · · Score: 1

    You forgot about Firebug. Web development is so much easier with Firebug, but it FF3 has disabled the plugin. As beautiful as FF3 is, I dreadfully miss Firebug. The Web Developer Toolbar is largely inferior.

    1. Re:Firebug by Kelson · · Score: 1

      There's a beta version of Firebug that's compatible with Firefox 3. Unfortunately it's not on the main addons site yet, and the Firebug site doesn't seem to be responding right now.

    2. Re:Firebug by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      On the OT side of things, how is Opera's DragonFly coming along for web development? Have any firebug users taken a look?

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  89. Waiting for SeaMonkey v2. by antdude · · Score: 1

    I use SeaMonkey as my primary Web browser, e-mails, and newsgroup all together. Firefox is OK. I hope v2 is coming soon. :)

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  90. Re:Addons by antdude · · Score: 1

    Does Adblock Plus work in Linux that doesn't require superuser/root? Basically, does it install in local profiles? I had problems with this with Mozilla v1.x and SeaMonkey v1.x. :(

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  91. Is it true that... by Illbay · · Score: 1

    ...the "free" version of Opera will have Firefox advertisements that users will be forced to watch so they don't have to pay for it?

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    1. Re:Is it true that... by Kelson · · Score: 1

      You are aware that Opera hasn't had advertisements in the UI since 2005, right?

    2. Re:Is it true that... by Illbay · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was told that. Then I tried to dl the "mobile" version and realized that not only did I have to pay for it, you didn't even HAVE any other alternative. Maybe what you say is true, but I do think Opera's still stuck on the old "pay me for coding this for you" model. Sounds great, if you can get it. (Wonder why Opera's the least-used of the "major" browsers?)

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    3. Re:Is it true that... by Kelson · · Score: 1
      They have different business models on the desktop and on devices. The desktop browser is supported the same way Firefox is: through deals with search engines and the like. Opera Mini (the thin-client Java app for lower-end phones) is also free, but I'm not sure how they support that one.

      I do think Opera's still stuck on the old "pay me for coding this for you" model. Given that their most-used products (Opera Mini and Opera Desktop) are free, what makes you think that?

      Wonder why Opera's the least-used of the "major" browsers? I don't know, maybe there are a lot of people who didn't get the memo 3 years ago and still think they have to pay for it?
    4. Re:Is it true that... by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      No, that was true starting somewhere around Opera 4.5, and going till 7.02 I think... 8.x and 9.x doesnt have that...

  92. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or perhaps a "homo" mod for anyone who spells "boy" with an i.

  93. Doesn't work for me either by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Informative
    That about:config setting didn't do anything for the shift+enter. I finally gave in an downloaded the URL suffix addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/443. Once its loaded, just select options for it from the Add-on list and delete all the entries. That will take care of it once and for all.

    However, I'm still on the hunt for a simple about:config setting.

  94. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  95. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

    A goat! No wonder Firefox is bloated; you're supposed to sacrifice a rabbit! There's far too much meat on a goat ... !

  96. Thanks for the news by ohxten · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the news. I setup a FF party for the forums I visit. Cool stuff!

    Downloaded Opera 9.5. Great browser, terrible new theme. They should've at least included the classic theme to go back to. Oh well, I use D.T.A anyway.

    Opera needs to get a new PR team, as Mozilla is generating so much hype it's not funny. Almost like the 9.5 release was a bugfix release, as far as hype goes.

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    1. Re:Thanks for the news by Khuffie · · Score: 1

      It's sad to see that an announcement for a fully released product is pigeon-holed inside a story about a possible release next week. Was it too much to ask for a separate story for Opera's release?

    2. Re:Thanks for the news by ohxten · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

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  97. Re:Addons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm using all three of them right now.

  98. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by street+struttin' · · Score: 1

    And here I thought Firebird and Thunderbird were related to the cars. Maybe it's just my slashdot nature of trying to find car analogies for everything...

  99. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by dhalgren · · Score: 1

    I fail to see how milk comes into this.

  100. Re:Can I install 3.0 and keep my 2.0 configuration by Kelson · · Score: 1

    Easiest thing to do: locate your profile folder. Make a copy of it (or zip file, or tar archive, etc.) Upgrade to Firefox 3, and then if you don't like it, you can copy the original profile back after you uninstall.

  101. what's wrong with it already .. :) by rs232 · · Score: 1

    and what about the memory management problems .. :)

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  102. Re:opera is faster.. What is ALSO annoying by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Whenever we're asked "when is Firefox going to be released" we endeavor to answer to the best of our abilities, but the truth of the matter is that we'll only ever ship "when it's ready". We have a lot of indicators that help us understand when the product is ready for release: feedback from our pre-release milestones, excitement in the community and the press, availability of compatible Add-Ons, and a large active beta community helping us ensure that the release is compatible with all the various sites on the Internet."

    C'mon. We have a new admin who is of the steadfast belief that NO beta-ware should be on machines except for compatibility testing. Anyone else should not be using beta-ware. That bugs me, as we ALL know that marketing deadlines make profit-drive/investor-backed companies release SHITWARE under a 1.0 or 1.1 or some moniker of "READY".

    Mozilla, if you want to avert CIOs and IT admins who GENERALLY WOULD accept or permit use of FF in the office, you NEED to release more frequently and in batches that cover he easy bug kills. Making 3.x wait for SOOOOO long after 2.xx is crippling to those of us who want a blessed, ready incremental release we can feel safe (and be permitted) using. The diffs tween 2.x and 3.x are too tempting to ignore. If FF were to be non-released for, say 6 more months, it would be QUITE demoralizing to me to be denied using it at work.

    Please, please consider modifying your release definition and make FF release more palatable as far as security and IT policies go.

    Thanks!

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  103. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Kelson · · Score: 1


    IIRC, the BIOS maker Phoenix had an embedded browser, so Mozilla's "Phoenix Browser" was considered misleading.

    Close -- the BIOS maker was planning an embedded browser, which was pretty much vaporware at the time, but they insisted that Mozilla change the name anyway.

    The funny thing is that by the time they actually shipped a product (5 years later), it ended up being an embedded Linux environment... running Firefox.
  104. Re:Addons by Gamer_2k4 · · Score: 1

    So, will it support NoScript, AdBlock (with filterset.g) and FlashBlock? If not then I'll be waiting. Those are about the only things that make FF better than Opera or IE, IMO. In fact, I think they should be built right into FF.

    Except that the whole point of add-ons is to allow you to have a lightweight browser, with the user deciding what features he wants.

  105. Iceweasel by tepples · · Score: 1

    Check off: We are looking for Nuclear wessels... What about nuclear weasels? Or iceweasels?
  106. still no Google toolbar for 3.0 by Randall_Lind · · Score: 1

    what a shame. The browser is faster but I want my Google toolbar.

    1. Re:still no Google toolbar for 3.0 by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      And I will not switch to any new version or other browser that does not have Google browser sync.

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  107. Moderator on crack? by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

    How can a question about the subject of the story be offtopic?

  108. When is google toolbar going to work with Firefox3 by mrmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been loving Firefox 3 but all my bookmarks are in google toolbar. I can't convert at work until google toolbar works with Firefox 3. Shouldn't Google, who invests plenty with Mozilla, already have a working toolbar?

  109. Sad... by MoreDruid · · Score: 1

    I think it's sad that in the USA only 183,614 people have pledged to download FF3 when the population is well over 300,000,000... Or are you too busy with the Elections?

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    1. Re:Sad... by Randall_Lind · · Score: 1

      It is not sad, people check to see if there addons ext. works first. This is the main reason people wait.

    2. Re:Sad... by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Well it could be that most people don't care about some silly "pledging to download" process and plan to just download the version when it's released.

  110. Firefox 3 for Linux? by extraqwert · · Score: 1

    It may be great for Microsoft, but on Linux FF3 suffers from horrible font rendering. This is because of Cairo, and my impression (although I am not a programmer) is that this problem is not going to be fixed any time soon.

  111. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

    But firefox broke the birds theme. Firebird, Thunderbird, Sunbird. They should have called it something consistent.

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  112. Re:Addons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://my.opera.com/Lex1/blog/flashblock-for-opera-9

    NoScript is built in, as far as I can tell what it does. You can turn off javascript and such globally, and allow particular domains. However, this conflicts with the opera flashblock, because it uses userjs, and if it's blocked...

    Subscribable adblock lists are not available as far as I know, though. At least not in an easily-done form.

  113. Re:Addons by StarHeart · · Score: 1

    You just need the development build of Tab Mix Plus. Go to the Firefox Add-on page for Tab Mix Plus, click on all comments, and look at the first few. A link to the dev version should be there. I have been using it for a while, works great.

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  114. OS X interface is highly non-conformant by iliketrash · · Score: 1

    The OS X interface is pretty awful with respect to conforming to Macintosh interface standards. I would guess that I noticed at least a dozen errors within four minutes of use.

    1. Re:OS X interface is highly non-conformant by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Personally I think that's fair enough, given that Apple software never conforms to Windows look and feel on Windows.

    2. Re:OS X interface is highly non-conformant by Vexorian · · Score: 1

      Oh no. Somebody call mozilla to stop they from releasing firefox before fixing such a critical issue!

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    3. Re:OS X interface is highly non-conformant by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      The OS X interface is pretty awful with respect to conforming to Macintosh interface standards. I would guess that I noticed at least a dozen errors within four minutes of use.
      Many of Apple's applications don't conform with Apple's Human Interface Guidelines, including ones that come with OS X. So I wouldn't judge it such a high priority since Apple can't even do it right.
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  115. Re:Addons by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    People still use Flashblock? I thought newer versions of NoScript made Flashblock obsolete. I am using NoScript but not Flashblock. I currently run without the flash plug-in and run with no sound card on my work machine.

    Judging from NoScript's behavior and the description of Flashblock, NoScript will enable all flash objects when scripting is allowed from a site, but Flashblock allows selective enabling of flash objects.
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  116. How to get it almost like the FF2 Adress Bar by forgot_my_nick · · Score: 3, Informative
    open about:config and:

    1) Edit this key: browser.urlbar.maxRichResults and set the value to 5 or 6 (or even 0).

    2) Most importantly create this key: browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped Type: Boolean Value: true

    The Awesomebar will now behave almost like the FF2 addressbar.

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    1. Re:How to get it almost like the FF2 Adress Bar by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Having to open up about:config is not a solution.

    2. Re:How to get it almost like the FF2 Adress Bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it works for me.

      You can't possibly expect a GUI for every minor configuration option, and about:config is a decent alternative. At least you don't have to hunt down and edit manually the relevant files.

    3. Re:How to get it almost like the FF2 Adress Bar by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      The Awesome Bar is a major change and it should be pretty obvious that not everyone is going to like it. As such including the traditional bar as an option should be done through the GUI. In later versions, if its found the majority do use the Awesome bar then you can take it out.

    4. Re:How to get it almost like the FF2 Adress Bar by Nullav · · Score: 1

      Still, would it really be too hard to stick 'old navbar behavior' in the options? Such radical changes shouldn't be foisted on users like that.

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  117. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

    They should have spent 30 seconds Googling the potential name before renaming it, therefore picking a name originally that didn't conflict with any other software projects. Instead of just fumbling around and renaming it twice in a few months.

    But water under the bridge.

  118. Re:What about Opera 9.5 by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 1

    ~1% desktop market share=not news.

    That pretty much covers it.



    Yeah, if they can't figure out how to start with at least 50% market share then don't bother trying at all!!

    Long live IE!!

  119. AdBlock / FlashBlock by bitrot42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To the people who claim Adblock/Flashblock are deal-breakers, I've found a combination of the F12 quick menu to disable plug-ins/java/gif-animation, plus a custom hosts file that redirects doubleclick and the like, works quite nicely.

    I mostly like Opera because navigating forward/back pages and between tabs is near-instant and can be done with simple keystrokes (Z&X, 1&2). There are tons of other shortcuts that help as well. I'm a madman on eBay and forum sites, plowing through stuff faster and more easily than I could with anything else. My Slashdot un-productivity is fantastic.

    I also like that I don't have to deal with finding/installing/updating all sort of plugins on every machine I use. Opera has most, though not all, admittedly, of what I want built in.

    To each his/her own, naturally, but Opera is well worth, er, exploring...

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  120. Re:Addons by dq5+studios · · Score: 1

    Been using it without problems on Ubuntu. I installed it via Firefox and not apt-get.

  121. Re:Addons by Tweenk · · Score: 1

    It does. Actually, it didn't work for me when I installed ABP using synaptic, but did when I went to the add-on site.

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  122. Re:Addons by antdude · · Score: 1

    Interesting. I recalled for suite products, it needed /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. :(

    "Why is it impossible to install Adblock Plus into a SeaMonkey profile?

    Unfortunately, Adblock Plus requires an XPCOM component to function and as of now SeaMonkey does not support installing these components into profile directory (bug 45701). Profile installation is only possible for extensions that don't need to install an XPCOM component. This will change with SeaMonkey 2.0 when the extension installation system from Firefox will be ported over to SeaMonkey..." from http://adblockplus.org/en/faq_install ...

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  123. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by compro01 · · Score: 1

    You might like this extension.

    Unfortunately, not updated for 3.0, but it might work anyway if you force it, but I haven't tried it.

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  124. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by compro01 · · Score: 1

    I very much wonder how many people here get this joke.

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  125. Re:Addons by antdude · · Score: 1

    Were you using Firefox or a Mozilla suite product like SeaMonkey?

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  126. Re:Zoom Remember when Checkov screemed in by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    "Mirror Mirror," in the rehabilitation chamber alternate Spock's orders put him into? That was one of them most eery, unnerving, realistic performances of pain in ST:TOS...

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  127. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by petermgreen · · Score: 1

    Alas, the great joy did not last long, as the wicked Firebird Database Server users started to complain.
    The amusing thing is the firebird database server had also previously been called phoenix.

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  128. Firefox 3 is nearly unusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry to burst the bubble, but I've been living with the Firefox RC on Fedora 9. It has this habit of saturating the harddrive regularly and locking up until whatever it is doing has finished. Like for a minute or more. Often. It is so bad as to be almost unusable.

    This is the least usable version of Mozilla since, well, forever.

    I think the Firefox guys need to stop the press releases and actually fix these kind of show stoppers before shipping.

  129. Address Bar gTLD Shortcuts by Mana+Mana · · Score: 2, Informative

    CTRL + ENTER => appends .COM
    SHFT + ENTER => appends .NET
    CTRL + SHFT + ENTER => appends .ORG

    I wonder where this is configurable? I might want to map one of these to .CX instead.

    BTW, I do like this for fast browsing:

    CTRL L
    CTRL + ENTER => appends .COM   <----------<<<< This is your choice obviously.

  130. been using it? by indi0144 · · Score: 0

    so.. why do I have it right now? http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6682/ff3gb5.png it's mine the real 3?

  131. Re:Addons by szap · · Score: 1

    Does Adblock Plus work in Linux that doesn't require superuser/root? Yes

  132. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ubuntu hasn't updated to the RCs.

  133. Re:Addons by antdude · · Score: 1

    Cool. I will have to try again later on. It didn't for me over a year ago.

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  134. Re:Addons by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

    NoScript?

    I have that feature in Opera just by pressing F12!

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  135. Re:Can I install 3.0 and keep my 2.0 configuration by adarn · · Score: 1

    The easiest thing to do is download the PortableApps installation of FF3

    http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable/test

  136. Opera 9.5 - Heads Up by ed.markovich · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am a big fan of Opera and was initially very disappointed with the 9.5 version that came out today. Much of non-trivial rendering was broken (for example, the chats in Gmail Chat were totally messed up.) I couldn't believe that my beloved Opera delivered such a turd. It was very very disappointing.

    For some reason I decided to uninstall Opera, remove my profile and try again. This this time it started to work and WORKS GREAT. I guess there's something in my profile that's been there for years (it's my original config going back years...) that somehow messed up 9.5

    So heads up. If Opera 9.5 works weird for you, try running on a clean profile.

    -E

  137. FireFox 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firefox 3 Is DABOMB folks. Download it, USE it.

    JT
    http://www.FireMe.To/udi

  138. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Eclipse-now · · Score: 1

    Hey, when I found out I had to throw my fox onto the fire! (Argh argh argh!)

  139. Re:Soon Will Be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, that's not a real site! Getting me all excited for nothing... www.sluttyteenagenubileprincesseswrestlinginpudding.co
  140. Hmmm... by owndao · · Score: 1

    How many months of active development and it still cannot copy styled text on OS X. Yawn.

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feel free to contribute a patch or a extension.

    2. Re:Hmmm... by owndao · · Score: 1

      It's a problem with the Gecko rendering engine that they refuse to fix. It's been reported as a bug since about 2005 I believe. I'm afraid that it will take more than a "patch or extension" to fix it as even other project developers have given up hope of Gecko getting fixed.

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  141. Opera, so who cares? by Vexorian · · Score: 1

    Why the urge to hijack this? Could have just made another news bit. Also has Opera stopped being proprietary yet? If not, I don't really care.

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  142. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

    Additionally, "Firefox" is a neat play on "foxfire", which is a ghostly luminescence in the forest at night, and has also become associated with grassroots efforts to preserve and enhance Appalachian folk craft. Whether this was intentional or not, it adds another layer of nuance to the name.

  143. Stop whining. by PlasticArmyMan · · Score: 1

    All these people whining about speed. It's down to really small amounts now, does it really matter that much? Also, does Opera have quite the same userbase and community when it comes to extensions or plugins, which most people get Firefox for. *cricket* *cricket* No, I didn't think so. Adblock? Greasemonkey? ... No?

  144. Re:Can I install 3.0 and keep my 2.0 configuration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ignore these two fools, who try to say that the "easiest thing to do" is to dig around your directory structure and otherwise manipulate files by hand, and to download some third-party version.

    Easiest thing to do, no shit, is to use Firefox's built-in profile manager, which is already present in the Firefox binary you have on disk. Just start Firefox with the -profilemanager argument.

  145. Re:Can I install 3.0 and keep my 2.0 configuration by Kattspya · · Score: 1

    Download portable firefox if you want to try it out without any risk. But you'll need to configure it from scratch.

    http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable/test

    The other method would be to back up all your settings (one folder C:\Documents and Settings\$USER\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\$random.default IIRC). Then install the regular RC.

  146. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by JImbob0i0 · · Score: 1

    My cat's name is mittens....

  147. SVG logos for own posters and fliers? by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    There are some nice graphics for the launch. Where can I get SVG versions for making my own fliers and posters? No. JPEG does not count.

    Or else, where are some official A6, A4 or A3 sized posters?

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    1. Re:SVG logos for own posters and fliers? by bytta · · Score: 1
      You can roll your own here
      http://vectormagic.com/

      It's a free, online service - works great

    2. Re:SVG logos for own posters and fliers? by bytta · · Score: 1
      My bad - it used to be a free service (university research project).

      Now only the PNG is free, and you must pay for the vector images.

  148. faster to get slashdotted maybe... by AnomaliesAndrew · · Score: 1

    I'm getting a blazingly fast 0.01KB/s download speed from their site right now, when I'm not constantly getting disconnected, over our T1.

    I'm impressed already. /sarcasm

    If I can't get this thing soon, I'm going to give up trying. I was only downloading it to see what all the fuss was about.

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  149. Groowe toolbar is the best and it does Google! by Randall_Lind · · Score: 1

    Still no Google love for Firefox 3 but I found a cool addon toolbar name Groowe. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/534 it has all the known toolbar's in one and you can add more if needed. It has a drop down menu to change between toolbar's.

  150. Re:I have firefox 3.0 beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was it a firegoat?

  151. Memory Issues - Mixed Success by billstewart · · Score: 1

    2.0 was a real memory pig, and my 512MB system was paging all the time. 3.0beta5 seemed to be much tighter, and my system behaved a lot better. Then I did two things - updated to 3.0rc1, and added gig of memory. FF is now using a lot more memory than it did under beta5. Not sure if it's a change in usage between the two versions, or if it's simply using more memory because more is available.

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    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  152. Re:When is google toolbar going to work with Firef by KritonK · · Score: 1

    They do have a working toolbar, and they released it this weekend! Note that the new version seems to require firefox 3.0, as it works fine under rc3 on windows, but does not install (and messes up the extensions window if forced to install) under beta5 on fedora 9.

  153. Re:Addons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    god knows why I'm reading a 3 day old post, let alone replying to it, but Opera has an excellent content blocker that's exeptionally easy to use and plugins and scripts can be disabled with menu options no more than a press of f12 and a mouseclick away.

    Although the installer caused me some hassles because of user access priviledges (or lack thereof) at work I am totally blown away by how great some of the features in Opera 9.5 are. The history search is incredibly useful and fast, and although Opera has had search shortcuts from the address bar for ages, I love them even more now I can just type words or phrases that I remember from reading a page and get back to that page pretty fast. No more trawling through a list of pages.

    Still, I'm looking forward to seeing what FF3 has in store. It's going to have to do a lot to make me switch, but I have several browsers installed at once and use FF a bit too, though I can't be bothered at all with the plugins since Opera supports most of the stuff I'd want to use natively and still manages to come in a 6mb package.

  154. SO WHERE IS IT by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    It's June 17th and it doesn't seem to be released.

    1. Re:SO WHERE IS IT by el_baby · · Score: 1

      It should be available at 17:00 UTC today.

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      -- El Baby
  155. So it's Tuesday and I don't see firefox 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, it's 10:20AM (2AM GMT) and firefox 3 still isn't available for download.

    This link, however, exists: http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.0&os=win&lang=en-US