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Free Realtime Video Editing for Linux
paRcat writes "Broadcast 2000 Final has been released. To those that are into realtime 640x480 video editing, this is good. It's an awesome package, and all free! Here's the link." Has anybody out there tried this yet? It sounds great, but so far we haven't been able to dig up anyone who's actually worked with this software to get their take on it.
Wow - I can't believe I had to do that
Sad, isn't it?
With all of the stories lately about the personality of the "typical geek", I'm surprised that none of them have mentioned that roughly 75% have absolutely no sense of humor whatsoever.
I hereby submit the following three words for today's vocabulary lesson. Please don't come back here until you understand their meaning.
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/'f&-n&l-E/ adverb /'f&-nE-n&s/ noun
Main Entry: 1humor
Pronunciation: 'hyü-m&r, 'yü-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English humour, from Middle French humeur, from Medieval Latin & Latin; Medieval Latin humor, from Latin humor, umor moisture; akin to
Old Norse vokr damp, Latin humEre to be moist, and perhaps to Greek hygros wet
Date: 14th century
1 a : a normal functioning bodily semifluid or fluid (as the blood or lymph) b : a secretion (as a hormone) that is an excitant of activity
2 a in medieval physiology : a fluid or juice of an animal or plant; specifically : one of the four fluids entering into the constitution of the body and determining by
their relative proportions a person's health and temperament b : characteristic or habitual disposition or bent : TEMPERAMENT c : an often
temporary state of mind imposed especially by circumstances d : a sudden, unpredictable, or unreasoning inclination : WHIM
3 a : that quality which appeals to a sense of the ludicrous or absurdly incongruous b : the mental faculty of discovering, expressing, or appreciating the ludicrous or
absurdly incongruous c : something that is or is designed to be comical or amusing
synonym see WIT
- out of humor : out of sorts
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Main Entry: 1joke
Pronunciation: 'jOk
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yAcati he asks
Date: 1670
1 a : something said or done to provoke laughter; especially : a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist b (1) : the humorous or ridiculous element in
something (2) : an instance of jesting : KIDDING c : PRACTICAL JOKE d : LAUGHINGSTOCK
2 : something not to be taken seriously : a trifling matter -- often used in negative construction
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Main Entry: 1funny
Pronunciation: 'f&-nE
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): funnier; -est
Date: 1756
1 a : affording light mirth and laughter : AMUSING b : seeking or intended to amuse : FACETIOUS
2 : differing from the ordinary in a suspicious, perplexing, quaint, or eccentric way : PECULIAR -- often used as a sentence modifier
3 : involving trickery or deception
- funnily
- funniness
- funny adverb
I know there are several external VGA to NTSC converters available. Some of them don't require any drivers and are therefor OS independent. This is also an alternative if you are out of slots, or if you're running a laptop.
I know TIGER software used to have a bunch of these for sale, though I can't recommend the company, it might at least give you a starting point for comparing brands and features.
Also, I know x10 makes an external VGA to NTSC product, (that uses a 2.4 Ghz wireless transmitter/recvier combination so the output can displayed on any NTSC device in your house) and they have been fairly good about releasing linux drivers for their products if it does turn out to need drivers.
One caveat though, I have never thought these products did a great job converting 640x480 to NTSC, they might be better converting NTSC level resolution from the VGA out port to NTSC though.
No, I believe you're talking about the Athlon.
I reiterate: What's an Athalon?
Hello, are we talking about resolution or about the application? It seems everyone has fixated on the resolution and forgot to discuss any other features about the application in question - which just so happens to be the topic of the article. It's amazing how you super-geeks take a little, unimportant blurb out of an article and fixate on that. Sheesh... if you wanna talk resolution, create a seperate thread or go to your local electronics store and talk to them about tv resolution and all that crap. I'm interested in hearing from people who have actually used the program and couldn't give a flying $%&#$ about ntsc and pal and 640x480 - I'll deal with that when I'm using the program or in an applicable thread.
OK, so what's a biathalon?
They know about each other, and want to work together, so it's just a matter of time. If LML can get off their duff and send BC2K a card then things will start rolling. Maybe they're waiting for the next version of the card to come out.
Even though you are correct for regular broadcast, most TV's that have s-video or composite video can support higher resolutions then the 512 line broadcast standard
Skuld...
Skuld...
Umm... how 'bout some of the Matrox boards... Particularly look up the Mystique G200 and the MARVEL MGA... (I'm not sure if it does it under LiGnux, but, I'm pretty sure it's handled competely hardwarily, and I know that the Mystique G200 has an XFree86 server for it (It didn't when I first got it, and d/l'ing XFree can be a b*tch (look, ma!, nested parentheses!)))
Um, what's an Athalon?
I see no reference to any "Athalon" on the Web page.
What in the world is an "Athalon" anyway?
I've tried Broadcast 2000 last year.
The hardware-requirements are way too high.
Not worth the try.
-- Boris.
then why the fuck is the retardo talking about 29.97 fps? that is strictly a tv land limitation. I have a feeling that retardo doesn't know what he's talking about. and you probably don't either. you damn sure can't spell.
http://v.extreme-dm.com/edit?login=heroine2
You can play "guess the password" and try to repoint their tracker...
You're funny. Borgify. I love it. You WILL be assimilated. Tell me, why would we WANT to borgify BeOS? Did GNOME borgify KDE or vice-versa? Ws_ftp is a neat app, but what Windows clone are you refering to? I've had lotsa fun with IglooFTP and gFTP as well as the good ol' command line ftp. It works, is stable as a rock in it's alpha and beta form (compared to Windows final releases) and the gui follows a familiar format. So what? BeOS is a gui clone. That's right - you have point-n-click just like X11, MacOS and (gasp) Windows. Sheesh, can't you guys be original and have mind control or something? *grin* An Open Source BeOS would be interesting - I think it would benefit a lot from the OSS model. Additionally, it would allow Linux and BeOS to come up with easier portability and communications between the two. Who says it would go bankrupt? I take it you haven't noticed RedHat or Caldera - they're no doubt raking in far more than BeOS is. Since BeOS's closed, well, we'll just make our own multimedia stuff instead and (gasp) maybe even out-do BeOS in multimedia. We already have hardware built specifically for Linux - it's just a matter of time before it all comes together.
...now that it's GPL, it's in our hands now. If it don't work - tinker with it til it does and submit the code. If you don't like something, or want to add something - do it. If the documentation is lacking, then write it. I think Broadcast2k is an excellent start - let's make it even better! I love breaking GPL software - it only makes it better.
Skuld
I believe these are the correct chipset: AverMedia InterCam-PCI or Hauppauge WinTV I found there named from: http://vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk/bt848/
I just wanted to add something aout the 19100 or 3900 Y2K bug and javascript. Javascript 1.0 the year was defined as number of years since 1900, so if you RTFM, you get the code right: year+1900 But since then the PC world has taken over and PC people do not understand what 1900+year is. So in javascript 1.3 the definition of year has changed. Now it says: years on 2 positions for years 2000 and years on 4 positions after 2000. What the hell??? No we need code like: if (year99) then year=1900+year And the old code gives: 1900+2000=3900 (which I have actually seen on some webpages) And the wrong "19"+year code gives 192000. Funny :-)
What specific capture card do you have??
"four short (30-40 minutes each) hours later"
:):):):):):):)
recommended hardware is a "quartathlon, 5Ghz per Athalon recommended"?
WTF is this? some lame joke?
Anyway, the user interface looks like shit compared to any professional system. Either they need to get some better screenshots, or they need pray that their code was modular enough to get up to speed with how those systems work...
That being said, if this is not bullshit it's a huge slab o' cool wax. Hope something like this happens for real..
Duh, just put your camera in front of the monitor and tape it. (Let's see just how humor-impaired Slashdolts are...)
blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah
--Homer Simpson
Hi, I had problems linking quicktime with libjpeg. My solution was to copy all *.o from libjpeg to the quicktime directory and build quicktime.a from all *.o George
heh, it crashed on me three times, and I've yet to see any VIDEO at all. typical linux/pc junk
I haven't downloaded the program yet, although I think it is a good idea. What I can _not_ understand is why a guy would spend all his money and time on a project like this, and then make a website for it that is taken to be a hoax by one third, a joke for the second, and a case of bad typos and poor design by the rest. Come on people, with the speed commodity hardware and linux are developing there will be professional video editing software coming to this platform.
I am working at a post-production studio that does effects for film and commercials on SGI Octane stations running discreet flame* and smoke* I showed the screen shots to a couple of our artists. 1.) They were horrified.
point: linux video editing has a future, regardless of the bad reputation that broadcast2000 will have on it. A good alternative for the platform will need to come from someone with experience on existing real-life systems.
what a fucking idiot spends half his life on a project for bringing video editing to linux and then publishes a site like that? would YOU do that? even if he had a great sense of humor it would still be totally stupid.
There several standards wich are in use. Some of the most common are:
NTSC
640 x 480 Square pixels
720 x 480 Non-square pixels
720 x 540 Square pixels CCIR-601 standard
PAL
768 x 576 Square pixels CCIR-601 standard
720 x 576 Non-square pixels CCIR-601 standard
All these standard (and moore) are used in professional non-linear editing.
What kind of standard you choose to use depends on what kind of capturing card you have.
Grip (Photographer/editor)
should be real. The same "Heroine" person(s) released a Xmovie player for .mov files and that's real enough.
My reading is that there are no codecs. It appears to deal only with uncompressed streams.
How can you say it's "definitely a hoax"? Have you run it? Do you personally know the author? Do you understand humour when you see it?
I thought not.
SoundTracker?? Yeah right! Soundtracker is a useless toy designed for playing with tiny 8-bit samples. Unfortunately this program is a TRACKER (sequencer) ie- not suitable for EDITING audio...
:( */rant*
*rant*Most linux users are happy with crappy audio.
Linux Media Labs capturing card currently does not support 640 x 480 resolution.
Rumors says that they will release a new card very soon that does.
Grip (Photographer/Editor)
ORRR... maybe it was a joke?
is just trying to crack a little joke, and let you know that the bigger/better system you have, the better the performance will be. Am I the only person on /. to actually get this?
lets see..
4x40gig IDE drives 300*4=1200
1x4 CH IDE RAID Controller=300
1.6 Terrabytes of Raid 0 = $1500
It is a joke, the part about the system requirements at least...c'mon chuckle a little, that's right, I know I see a smile there :)
Does humor need to slap you in the face, rip off your head, and shit down your neck for you to figure out that it's supposed to be taken in jest?
I'd probably be in too much pain to be laughing. Actually, doesn't the human head stay conscious for up to a few minutes after a decapitation. I', pretty sure if this humor fellow was defecating in my neck I'd be mouthing "HELP, HELP!"(note without a larynx it might be difficult to actually make sounds. What was your point again?
They should have just said Pentium-8 and ended the confusion.
I have just given a look at the program and it seems both serious and quite nice... on the other hand I have had little experience with this sort of thing so far (some experiments under the Amiga, but nothing serious) hence I am not able to judge the actual functionality provided [i.e. It is enough for me, but how does it compare with commercial packages?]. It would be nice if somebody with real expertise on the field were to comment and make a review of this software... BTW: It is quite sad to see so few people with sense of humor, but probably they are the same that complains about userfriendly since they are unable to get the jokes...
4x40GB = 160GB you moron, *not* 1.6TB (1600GB) Go back to school and learn multiplication
http://www.pinnaclesys.com/default.html -> Miro PCTV/Miro PRO have the BT848 chipset.
All right everyone take a deep breath. Now all of you who are ranting about others not seeing the joke take another look...
/. and create a few choice posts to add to the fun?
I think it's pretty clear that a lot of these posts are as bogus as the web site. That isn't to say that the software doesn't work and work great. But come on, if you were to work that hard creating such an elaborate tongue-in-cheek website, don't you think you'd be watching for your story to appear
I have a 466Mhz Celeron 64MB of RAM and 2 hard drives with 16GB of capacity. 5 minutes of jpg quicktime compressed (65% quality) 320x240 with 22050 16 bit sound takes up 89MB of space.
The resulting file played just fine with the latest xanim player (2.80.0).
This means that a 2 hour compressed movie will fit in just over 2GB. I am going to try a few of those recompression options under the player to see if I can get a movie to fit on a CDROM! If I do then I will be very impressed with this new toy.
It actually looks like I can stop using the old Microsoft Video Editor and Player under windows! These programs are over 5 years old but have been better than anything that I had found up to now.
Note that VHS video quality is much lower than a broadcasted TV signal. I would say that the magnitude of VHS quality is something like 320x240 and a TV broadcasting quality is maybe 640x480 or so. So if you're storing the edited video onto a VHS tape, you don't need 640x480 resolution.
BeOS have some good editing programs to. Personal Studio from Adamation. http://www.adamation.com/Products/personalStudio/a bout.htm On the hardware side we have ADS Tech. http://www.adstech.com/products/pyro_more.html Video Wave II from MGI should be here very soon. http://www.interlog.com/~rae/videowave/ http://www.benews.com/story/1857
Moderate this one up so that those ignorant people will have the issue explained to them via the bent iron wire -approach.
This is lame, it looks like you just took a load of random words and put them in some kind of script.
Last time I checked a terrabyte was 1024 gigabytes not 100 gigabytes. You would need 40 40gig IE drives and I would love to see you manage some kind of raid system with all them.
>But why would you? Win95/NT video editing
>programs are way more functional, support more
>effects, more hardware, and have a much better
>user interface?
* PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE SUCKS!!! *
Seriously though, save yourself some bucks, gain a little education (with community support) and give Linux a chance. Win95 editing more functional? PLEASE!! HAHAHAHA LOL!!!! If crashing every five minutes and slow rendering due to system overhead are considered functional...
It's called humor. We could all probably use more of it. :)
I agree with you 100%
Hmmm. I might be inclined to give it a go unfortunately there are no Linux drivers for my DVRaptor Yet. I have yet to find anything resembling a good hw/sw bundle for IEEE1394 editing under Linux. This is such an unexploited niche I guess in part to the proprietry nature of the systems. For sw like this to succeed its going to need good supporting hardware as well. I currently use win98/Media studio Pro and a RVRaptor firewire editing card and have no problem whatsoever with stability. It would most likely need something really special in the way of Linux sw to make most editors jump ship. However if those special features were there speed/cool stuff then off to Linux I would go.
>then why the fuck is the retardo talking about 29.97 fps?
Im sure some people will use this software to put video on their website but the majority will be putting the edited video back onto VHS or VideoCD hence the posters comments.
You cant just drop any old mpeg file into you cd writer software and expect it to play on a normal TV, it has to be very specific settings.
i.e.
NTSC is 720x486 @ 29.97 fps
PAL is 720x576 @ 25 fps
Also the Bitrate of the Audio and Video have to be encoded within a very specific range.
So I guess the moral to this story is the original poster does know what he is talking about and you must be the "retardo".
>In case you didn't notice it was November 10th... not actually in the year 2000. It was a joke, not a bug. :-)
:)
"1/10/19100"
What was the date yesterday ?
10 January 2000 written as 01/10/2000 in the US.
I guess that makes you the moron
...so your x resolution doesn't count - 720 pixels? A TV has no pixels - the x resolution is technically infinite (although it is limited). And the y resolution for NTSC is 525 lines.
It was a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or was that supposed to be:
4 Gigahertz quad (4x1ghz)
2 Gigahertz quad (4x500mhz)
or
1 Gigahertz dual (2x500mhz)
oh yeah, right. some idiot just decided to make up a fake webpage about some video/audio editing app and made some screenshots to go with it. get a life
Only BrookTree compatible cards (most of them are TV Tuners with NO Video Out), which are the crap cards for video capture. And a Friggin terrabyte of disk space? Im sorry, but if i could afford a Terrabyte then i dont need an a free operating system or free software. I'll stick with Win98se, Matrox Marvel, Adobe Premier + Panasonic Mpeg encoder. Thanks for offering. As Sam Kinison would put it. "300,000$ for the Betty Ford clinic?! Im sorry but if you still have 300,000$ then you dont have a drug problem!".
yes it always helps to include the path for the plugins (in preferences) so that shit can work.
If they're using javascript, they should be using getFullYear() instead of getYear().
And all they have to do is RTFM to know that.
I remember looking at their page a few days ago actually. I think they had said that 640x480 was either VHS or "broadcast" quality, I forget which. To be honest I was looking for something along the lines of Cooledit Pro and Multiquence, so I'd have something to edit audio and make dance music...
>>It's an awesome package, and all free! Here's the link." Has anybody out there tried this yet? In other words, I haven't tried it, but it's Linux so it must be great! What classic /. nonsense! Where's the thread on the Caldera/MS settlement already?
o that would be .. if your spending all your time in front of a crt instead of with your instrument, you don't know what making music is all about.. though i am waiting with baited breath to try that jazz+ stuff :) shoot me
Geez, I already have over 100GB on my video editing system at home, and I just do it as a hobby. I'd guess within two years I'll have upped that to a terabyte or more... 32GB is only about two hours of DV footage, which is nowhere near enough for many of the projects I've worked on.
Are ya gonna GPL the pr0n so all of us can see it for free?
Does anyone know how this thing deals with the limits on filesizes imposed by the Linux kernel? (The 2 GB Limit?) Does it do like Avid and when the first file fills up, starts a second, then a third, and so on and so forth?
Rather than writing "those that are" it is correct to write "those who are". Your Truancy Officer said you would appear to be stupid if you skipped too much school. He was right
ass wipe. UH UH HUH. you're fucking dumb
retardo, NTSC has 525 scan lines. PAL has 625 scan lines. Please stop using monitor terms for tv video resolution. it's not the same thing.
we need to get stupid people off the internet.
I wish the author of the web page were a little less into buzzwords and a bit more into writing clearly...
I can understand what the "suggested hardware" section says when it talks about 1 Gighertz total processing power, but what the hell does "5 Gighertz per Athalon recommended" mean? You have to be the god of overclockers to run this thing?
The whole presentation is a bit stream of consciousness. Throws a lot of terms around, but if you don;t already know editing suits (which I don't) you can't really follow it, I guess. What hardware would I need to load in a movie? WHat hardware would I need to put it back out to a VCR? Does this thing have utility beyond that?
Well, I don't think it's that they don't have a sense of humor.
Do you know the author or have you been following the project for awhile? Lots of times when someone you don't know makes "jokes" it looks foolish -- this is especially true for something like a realtime video editing project. I guess when you think of something like that, you're expecting a web page that's a little more professional, that's all. So, I can't blame people for thinking it's a hoax.
This page reads under "Changes":
1/10/19100 Final Y2K compliant.
Yeah, right. I've worked with professional video editing systems, and many have 32GB of RAID, not a terabyte.
I won't even speculate on the video cards or the 5GHz Athlons.
Expanding a vast wasteland since 1996.
That would seem to make this software bogus. Something like this would push a lot a people onto Linux. If it is for real, the important question is whether it is broadcast quality or not. Also, is anyone working on an open source driver for the Fast video machine??
hehe
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To be perfectly honest, I was under the impression that the cat was dead when it was put in the box. Is there a way to use a box full of dead cats, named Belfry, to perform real-time non-linear video editing under Linux? I think there is. And I know that Corel will bring us that innovation any second now...That's why everyone should buy lots of Corel stock. A company that is on the front lines of Linux Open/Source software manufacturing. This of course leads up to the earlier point of toothpaste embezzlement which has become a growing problem in the local supermarkets. Not a day goes buy when I don't see a smug foreign graduate student stuffing a box of the fabulously whitening toothpaste for $4.67 into the back pocket of their tight levis. I think the Open/Source community should heed this warning. "What warning?" you ask, "Well that's a stupid question." I say. I guess you haven't been reading very intently, mr. slashdot reader. Would the poison gas kill the cat before it's bones are forecefull crushed by a metal divider? Ponder that for a moment. Or don't.
But why would you? Win95/NT video editing programs are way more functional, support more effects, more hardware, and have a much better user interface?
Linux is great for a render farm, but leave the real video editing to a Mac or Windows box. You honestly can't compare bcast2000 to programs like Adobe Premiere.
Yeah, go ahead, moderate the truth down you losers. Can't take it?
Just because the page was written with a little humor, dosen't mean that this is not a real product...
The Y2K statement was a joke...
The Hardware Requirements are also a joke... Indicating that you can never get fast enough or enough hard disk space for video editing.
DUH!
As Seen in the GSA catalog:
Clue, Get A, one each.
I've tried the beta-time-triald BroadCast 2000, and i have to admit it works really nice with my bt848 (Miro) capture card. Multiple audio streams, mixing, fade in/out effects, its all in there...
If Jean Louis were to follow the pack and go with digital democracy, open- (Blah blah blah)
That's completely irrelevent to the conversation. Why you chose to start your post with it is beyond me, however some moderator seems to like it so, hey work the Be groove..
Until that time, Linux should probably focus on building market share by improving the Gimp and developing a strong vector graphics app to compete with the main 2 commercial OSes.
True. But that's not neccesarily going to happen. Linux does what Linux wants to do, one of the things that make so many of us like it and hate it at the same time. Look at it this way, there are a lot of folks on this very board who will rant on and on that Linux is only good for a server platform and will also mercilessly flame anyone who doesn't understand the crufty old man files and asks for a real help system. There are also people (like me) who simply use it for their desktop OS only, learning basic Unix commands and system administration and checking email, D/L'ing pr0n, things like that. For every one of the above two types there is also someone working on "super-widget2000" which will either revolutionize the way we eat cheese or will copy-cat the functionality of a large, commercial program without the cost. What do all three types have in common? The fact that if we have attracted people to Linux, it's our freinds who we help and support on a personal level. There is no business model for Linux. Let Red-Hat and Corel figure out how to make one. The rest of us are happy enough with what we have/are getting soon.
By the way, aside from pure evolution - what kinds of long-term goals do the Linux community forsee?
I think it was the Glorious MEEPT who said something about merging the various divided factions of Linux users into one large divided faction. Above that I'd just be happy that we aren't stuck with 2 closed source commercial OS's and be *real* happy whenever someone releases something cool like broadcast2000...
Sorry If I'm coming across harsh but that's how I am. You understand...
Can anybody translate these chipsets into actual product names?
This is really cool - the Video Toaster comes to Linux - but I need some capture hardware.
Anybody?
Umm, half a biathalon?
I hope this is not a hoax; I would definitely like to play with some video editing software on my Linux box. I'm downloading...
I guess I'll have to put one of my Bt848 cards into my dual celery 450 system.
--------- Webmaster, http://www.cpureview.com and
I've got one of the original WinCast boards. Works great, don't let the Win fool you. :)
:)
One of the labs I'm working in at school uses Hauppauge boards exclusively.
On that regard, look for even more Bt848 fun in the videoconferencing arena. Hopefully by the end of the semester, it depends on whether or not we can release the code without needing to jump off a bridge from embarassment at revealing it.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
...in that 320x240 interlaced is only every other line in *ONE* direction, not both. So if it's vertically interlaced, that means the non-interlaced source would be 320x480, since the horizontal rez stays the same. If you started w/ a 640x480 source, the result would be 640x200 per interlaced frame.
I'd love to be able to use my cheap TV card for *something*...
Frankly, the rippers and encoders that I've seen for Linux suck. If this one does any better, I'd be thrilled. I went through hell just to try to make a short MPEG-1 movie clip (from Transformers: The Movie, yay!), and I didn't even manage to get sound. Why? Because the free stuff is hard to figure out, and isn't documented that well. If I knew more about the file format, I could probably tweak it more, but I just wanted to capture a movie!
I'll tell you guys how it works out on my (crappy) system. You really shouldn't do this stuff with IDE drives, and not that much space to boot. I'll probably have better luck once I get a new system.
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Or... you can always edit the /etc/ld.so.conf, assuming that you have such a file, and put the directory in it.
Then run ldconfig.
Much better for me than LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
Tim
-I just work here... how am I supposed to know?
what you want is Soundtracker:
http://www.soundtracker.org/
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turn down the volume and listen to yourself. did you even bother to read the changelog for soundtracker? at least it's updated frequently. but for a full sound package, yes, you NEED a sequencer. you said the words "dance music" and i've heard some pretty amazing stuff concocted w/ this lil mod sequencer.
sure, the built-in wav editor is pretty basic, but it's just supposed to be for quick and dirty stuff.
my opinion (and it's just that: an opinion) is that if you're spending more time in the wav editor than in anything else, then you don't really know what making music is all about.
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too bad those big IDE drives are so SLLLLLOOOOOWWWWW. i lurk on the linux-raid list and they benchmark at the bottom of the list.
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I've downloaded it this morning. It seem to work nice except for a couple of things:
* I cannot load an mpeg file that I created using blender and mpeg_encode. Instead, I had to use a 'jpeg list' format.
* I had problems with loading mp3 music files.
* I couldn't render the output as mpeg.
Maybe I was missing something, but the documentation wasn't that complete. I hope that this will change though.
How many copies of ws_ftp are there? Like a dozen.
3
:)
Great! Use the one you like best.
And they are all worse than the original windows clone.
Hm, have you tried IglooFTP? http://www.littleigloo.org/iglooftp_downloads.php
And... what's the "original windows clone?"
Not to mention how many are still alpha/beta code. I nearly had a heart attack when icewm hit version 1.0.
It must be rough to have your life so constrained by version numbers...
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(You need the new I2C stack from the lm_sensors package for this, though)
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NTSC = Never the same color
Do you have any idea what were talking about?
Were talking about converting TV signal to something to use on the computer... scan lines dont matter, we need a resolution.
While the hardware suggestions on their page may be a bit high... Do some calculations on how much ram and HD space it takes to manipulate 10+ hours of TV quality footage, and the CPU power needed to apply effects, edits, and various other goodies to said footage.
Take a look at some of the equipment on Avid Technology, Inc.'s site. According to one product spec I saw, it allowed up to 1080GB of available storage for collaborative video editing.
While I don't know if the software in question here quite warrants it.... it's not necessarily insane.
In mentioning the 'big players' I neglected to mention that Apple's "Final Cut Pro" and "iMovie" software are big. And microsoft's jumping in too...
But Avid is definitely the biggest fish of them all these days.
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
the wintv-d card has the s-video output, i don't know if any of the others do.
some of the cards by hauppauge have s-video output.
There's a difference here...
/quicktime/quicktime/jpeg.c
Slashdot is really a group of perl files, etc. The main difficulty is configuration..not compilation. I think what we really want from him is a SNAPSHOT...just take whatever code there is and throw it into a tar file. Slashdot is really hardwired for their situation, and anyone else who wants to use it KNOWS that they will have to do a lot of work to make it work on their own configuration.
In comparison...Broadcast 2000 is a final release of a product made for others. From his release file, it looks like he is making it deliberately difficult to compile.
In fact, it currently won't compile at all for me, because I need to determine what typedef he left out of
Wow, I didn't realize we had nazis on slashdot. I thought people here were more intelligent than that. Check out the URL this guy has listed under his name.
Perhaps if you weren't so inflametory your post WOULD get moderated up - you ever think that perhaps it's not just what you say, but how you say it.....
- The unexamined life is not worth leading -
Well.. one thing coming in XFree4 is the ability to use your MGA card for video acceleration. The G200 supports overlays.. and from what Raster has said, it if fscking awesome. (In fact everyone is pretty much in awe. Full, 30FPS with very very little CPU... can maybe even be done in DMA in the future)
Your going to see some integration of OpenGL into the 2D rendering structure in the future. It really depends on the HW. But there is talk of using OpenGL in conjunction of XIE.
Pan
I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
Whoops... inadvertent tag generation. I meant to say, I saw a neat project called CineGX which seems to have disappeared....
Are you really this dumb?
Uhh, let see, how do you capture video? A frame at a time. How many frames per second do you need to capture an uncompressed NTSC signal? 29.97 Get it? Each frame takes some disk space and bandwidth to capture. It is important.
Oh, hey I should say that the figure I gave before are the DV standards which is what is used for NLE. So the broadcast suignals might be different, but we are talking about NLE here so that is why I gave those figures.
Q.
just as a cover my ass addendum to my previous post (damn anonymous coward trolls). The above figures are for CCIR-601 compliance. CCIR-601 is the Encoding Parameters of Digital Television For Studios (ie encoding video into data usable by a computer). CCIR is the International Radio Consultative Committee a predecessor organization of the current ITU-T which is the International Telecommunication Union--Telecommunication Standardization Bureau. OK enough backing? :)
Heres a link in case you are bored and want to read all about CCIR-601.
Q.
Hi Technos,
Sure with reparenting on they'll only see my post, but they might also get curious enough to click through to the parent. Since the comment is currently ranked at 5, I think it worked (or at least helped).
I hadn't thought about simply reposting the data with credit though. I'll try that next time and see what happens.
cheers,
-matt
What?
Is there any MPEG-4 viewer for Linux or MPEG-4 to MPEG-1 (or MPEG-2) convertor for Windows?
Or you could just install it where it was meant to be installed; /usr/local/bcast2000
/usr/local/bcast2000/bcast2000.sh to /usr/bin/bcast2000
Then symlink
That bash script'll set the library path for you, so you can keep the whole distro together, in case you don't want it and have to delete it.
Anyone interested in making rpms? I'd make 'em myself, but I can't for the life of me figure it all out. (And I still can't find the back key binding for the info-page reader. blah.)
James
./gfx/jpeg-6b/jpeglib.h:typedef struct jpeg_marker_struct FAR * jpeg_saved_marker_ptr;
...
./gfx/jpeg-6b/jpeglib.h:struct jpeg_marker_struct {
That one at least isn't a problem. But since I'm
stuck at libc5 I can't install nasm and it fails
a little later.
The author may be guilty of a little sloppiness, but hey if it works it can be cleaned up. It's got critical mass, and that's what counts.
Well, I don't think it's that they don't have a sense of humor.
Do you know the author or have you been following the project for awhile? Lots of times when someone you don't know makes "jokes" it looks foolish -- this is especially true for something like a realtime video editing project. I guess when you think of something like that, you're expecting a web page that's a little more professional, that's all. So, I can't blame people for thinking it's a hoax.
The proper form of this saying is: "NTSC - Never TWICE the Same Color"
"It's overkill, of course. But you can never have too much overkill." - Anonymous Slashdot Coward
Linux 2.2.*
1 terabyte striped RAID
1Ghz quartathlon (5Ghz per Athlon recommended.)
BT848, BT878 compatible video card No hardware compression boards are supported, due to high cost and unemployment.
Full duplex sound card
1024x768 32bpp graphics card on AGP
Commercial OSS driver (better card compatibility)
For such a specialized system, does it not make sense to anyone other than me that every search engine i tried came up with 0 hits for "quartalthon," this is fruther compounded by the fact that I haven't seen a 5ghz althon. On top of the fact that this hardware list seems awfully simple. The last time i checked a terrabyte of managed raid storage was ~$250k or so. I would think if you were in the market for that much disk, you could afford the pro software to go with it.
this page says that it doesn't support s-video INPUT.
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720 x 486 on a TV is the same as 640 x 486 on a computer screen.
a TV screen has a "pixel aspect ratio" that is rectangular. when you do the math, you find that video lines that are 640 pixels wide on a computer screen (square P.A.R.) are stretched to 20 pixels and then displayed on a TV screen at a non-square P.A.R.
so yes, this is EXACTLY what the professionals use.
That is true but...
NTSC only shows around 640x480 on a NTSC TV due do the overscan (offscreen) area. And while a card that does 640x480 isn't a true Broadcast quality card, if your putting it on VHS you basically can't tell the difference because 640x480 does enter the overscan area on many (most?) TVs. If your putting your video on BETA or somthing else then your going to be using a TARGA (or similar) card and Avid Producer.
Total cost only $20,000-60,000 US.
Dont forget the 4/3 aspect ratio for NSTC CCIR 601 ,or else you'll have problems with curves and such.
I can see where the authors are coming from saying they don't support hardware acceleration, but this should be an OS-supported feature.
i.e. Video4Linux should have some kind of hardware abstraction layer, like Video for Windows.
This would allow hardware manufacturers to develop codecs for Linux (perhaps a sly way to do it would be to find some way of making VFW codecs work under V4Linux.)
Cos, without hardware acceleration, video editing on Linux or any platform is a joke, nothing more.
Uncompressed Video requires something like 22MB/s of dedicated bandwidth. This is a heavy load for any system to handle, hence the need for efficient compression schemes (read hardware compression) and high-speed storage.
My Iomega Buz does a pretty good (has some lousy 'features') on the whole of encoding and decoding MJPEG video under Windows. It needs about 4-5 MB/s sustained transfer rate from my hard disk for 720x576 (full-PAL, non-square pixels) video.
Theres no way my CPU (Cele-400) is fast enough to do MJPEG compression/decompression in realtime, and while the Athlons/P3s are undoubtedly fast, i bet they would struggle too.
I'd love to use my Linux box to do video editing/compositing etc., and interestingly, Newtek Aura 1.0 runs surprisingly well under WINE last time i looked.
What is the status of hardware support for Video4Linux? While analog MJPEG support is probably not of utmost concern, Linux should not let the DV revolution pass it by. Firewire and DV support is a critical area that Linux falls behind both the Mac and Windows, and as much video work is going down this path, this is where Linux developers should focus their efforts.
my 2c
I gots ta ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
Yeah that's humor... at least it made me laugh :-). of course I hang out on #lin so what do i know...
But seriously how could you diss making a joke about a "Y2K Safe" program with a post date of 19100??? Think a bit harder on that one.
Restating the obvious since nineteen aught five.
640x480-- why was this pointed out?
standard television is what, 525 lines? I'm not sure
how long the lines are, however.. but I'd assume 640x480 would be about the equivlent.
This stuff wont' fly for HDTV, however.
(First? At least its the first intelligent, most likely)
-bugg
Actually it looks more like a typo. It seems that they are refering to a theoretical system whose specs would be ideal for full realtime functionality. The mobo/athlon system they refer to I intrepreted as a 5 1ghz processor system. Neither of which exist right now, but might in a year or two.
penguinicide... when jumping out a window just won't do.
hmmm....I've seen links to broadcast 2000 before...
:)
It always looked like vapourware...or just a dream....
but 'm downloading it now....so i'll guess I'll find out the reality soon
Advanced users are users too!
Perhaps I am missing a needed package?? (the binary included doesn't run on my system...)
Hello,
;-).
;-)
Well, it seems like an interesting part of slashdot is again overloaded with alot of messages on the root. Is it not possible to REPLY to such answers? I have also questions here, but how can I find the answers in this way?
So I think we should use again more the "reply to this" link instead of generate that huge IGSRP (Incredible Growing Slashdot Reply Pages
For this 640x480 thing: I can't imagine any reason why they limit to that. I'll definitively first ask them why there is this limit. In the point of view of a programmer I don't see any reason to limit the resolution like this (not to mention the problems you'll get if you'll edit PAL DV-videos in the future).
For the product himself: I would like to try it, but how should I? I have only a DV-equippment at home and since Firewire driver support on Linux is still in the very early stages, I can't use and test this program now really seriously.
But it's still very good to see this kind of programs as GPL. All nonlinear cutting systems out there are massively overpriced; except you'll be lucky with very downcutted LE-versions (I doubt so). And the only reason why this price is so high is because there are only a few usable programs to make nonlinear cutting in a professional way. MainActor isn't stable since years, but could be a great product too. Broadcast 2000 is the first "light in the tunnel" for me.
So let's do another revolution out there.
Cheers
Boessu
From README.src:
"Broadcast 200 is GPL. Through the magic of credit, the development costs have been shielded from the user."
What are credits?
Extracts from the authors logs:
6/2/99 Ran out of money for the dedicated web server. Rather than use the software to pay for operating costs, we moved to freeyellow.com, the only free IPP allowing commercial content, just in case.
8/7/99 Defeated the latest anti-linux features on our download sites so now you can resume downloading the tarballs. Haven't been able to get money together for next year and there ain't no jobs for Linux hackers, so maybe it's time for a second master's degree. If you know any professors with grant money, harass author....OK, how about professors with no grant money.
12/1/99 The final release of Broadcast 2000 will be on Jan 10, 2000. We should have another loan secured by then and a license everyone can deal with. In the mean time, do well in school.
I guess the credits refers to all those bank loans he's been taking out so all of you can have free video editing software. Why don't you all club together and write him a set of references for his CV?
Phillip.
Property for sale in Nice, France
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* The license
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Broadcast 2000 is GPL. Buy a camcorder. You may redistribute this program according to the terms of the GNU public license version 2 or any later version. There is no warranty, not even the implication of fitness for a particular purpose, although it should be fit for most. Be aware that the MPEG decoders are covered by patents, roughly one patent for every line of code.
Must I really have to buy a camcorder?
mcrandello@my-deja.com
rschaar{at}pegasus.cc.ucf.edu if it's important.
"On January 10th, 2000, you will be given the key to the motion picture studio locked inside your computer. Introducing Broadcast 2000, one of the realtime, non linear audio and video editors for Linux. We can now capture, render, edit, composite, mix, and master dream movies in extreme speed even without having a job! And you will too in the next millenium."
How, exactly, am I going to afford all the equipment to do this (like a 1 terrabyte RAID!) without a job?! And don't even get me started about the millenium...
I happen to have the same problem when compiling their mpeg-movie-1.6.tar.gz set of MPEG utilities: /usr/include/ and so on.
missing a lot of header files in
Anyone clueful about this ?
I'm working with the Mandrake 6.1. Perhaps it will work with a Slackware or some other distro ?
The impressions of whether cat named Belfry is in a box in state of half-deadness or dead because of being cut in half by a metal divider are irrelevant. For the same reason you can not trisect an angle, or know the momentum and position of an electron simultaneously are you able to determine the significance of open source video soultion. While Plato indeed wondered about video editing, he could not have foreseen the vast amount of research that would go into making a implantable video viewer because of the huge quantities of video being produced on open source computers.
Also, for this very same reason, you will open the box to see what really happened to the cat named Belfry. You will have forgotten that while the state of the cat named Belfry may have changed, the potency of the poison has not. Seeing the now dead cat Belfry you will smell the scent of something like sweet almonds. Once again you will say "Doh!!"
You will feel your diaphragm get heavy. Then you will hear a garbage truck in the distance get nearer and nearer. The dumpster is not abandoned.
"DOH!!!"
The impressions of whether cat named Belfry is in a box in state of half-deadness or dead because of it's bones being forcefully crushed by a metal divider are irrelevant. For the same reason you can not trisect an angle, or know the momentum and position of an electron simultaneously are you able to determine the significance of open source video soultion. While Plato indeed wondered about video editing, he could not have foreseen the vast amount of research that would go into making a implantable video viewer because of the huge quantities of video being produced on open source computers.
Also, for this very same reason, you will open the box to see what really happened to the cat named Belfry. You will have forgotten that while the state of the cat named Belfry may have changed, the potency of the poison has not. Seeing the now dead cat Belfry you will smell the scent of something like sweet almonds. Once again you will say "Doh!!"
You will feel your diaphragm get heavy. Then you will hear a garbage truck in the distance get nearer and nearer. The dumpster is not abandoned.
"DOH!!!"
I want to capture video off a Linux screen. Any good tools out there? The best I found was a tool that stored about a billion .jpg images (one file per frame, obv) then you had to compile it into mpeg or whatever. Anything better out there?
The only other way to do it is to send create a remote X display on Windows and use Hypercam, and I'm getting some color issues with that.
-Mark
-- Ever notice that fast-burning fuse looks exactly the same as slow-burning fuse? I didn't... (Edgar Montrose)
I for one would welcome a complete audio editng suite not unlike Protools for linux. I would more over to it instantly in my studio.
In previous studios in which I've worked we used Macs, with Protools and Logic audio in complete synchronism with both our analog and digital tape machines. Except they crashed like crazy.
I have also used Protools under NT, and as much as it pains me to say it, it is more stable with these apps than is MacOS.
HOWEVER, a powerful GPL'd editing tool under linux would make me the happiest engineer on the planet.
Not only would it allow me to alienate all of the other engineers who don't know what linux is (and think the Mac is the be-all-end-all platform on the planet). It would make for crashproof editing sessions! :-)
It's times like these when I wish I was a programmer. I would dedicate all of my free time to programming for such an effort.
Ignore Alien Orders
Well, you obviously don't know what the bloody f**k you're talking about.
I've used Photoshop 5 for a while, and it's a slug. I can do a lot in the GIMP that Photoshop can do. You obvioulsy haven't made the effort.
This site gives you all the http stats.. Here's the unique visitors page. You can already see some of the /. effect.
http://v.extreme-dm.com/unique?login=heroine2
Apathy -- The state of numbness of the mind. When you are apathic, you can think.
This is great, but it has a long way to go to support hardware capture boards such as the Targa 2000, Matrox Digisuite series, and on the Mac platform: Avid. Most of these can do D1 video quality and even higher. Not to mention that most of these are only work in Windows NT. I design Edit* systems and I see a lot of lockups all of the time, which is not good in a critical editing project. If something like this can improve with the hardware support and the same features as the professional edit suites, the profesional editors will see the advantages of Linux and follow in the ways of 3D animation and other media professions.
Seems a little funny to me.
Look at the updates at the bottom. Especially the times.
Could just be their poor attempt at humor. (Or my lack of a sense of it)
how does 4*40 == 1600?
btw, the ide raid stuff i've heard about (e.g. promise) is just a ide card and software raid in the driver. linux has it's own software raid, no need for a special controller.
When I worked at the Nuclear Physics Group at UNH we put together a 60 or so node dual celery-450 cluster. It was for crunching LOTS of data so we ended up putting serveral ide cards in, and striping a bunch of maxtors. At 4 disks per card, you can fit quite a few. And it's a LOT cheaper than scsi :)
There was even discussion of gigabit for the server to provide enough bandwidth. I think they decided that size mattered more than speed and went with 100bT hubs.
True PAL and NTSC support (different resolutions, framerates, 16x9 support, and interlace issues). In order to convert between the two, commerical software runs about 800 dollars. It's not as easy as having a simple converter box. If you're doing broadcast quality stuff there is a helluva lot of problems in converting the two, especially when it comes to color signals.
Ability to convert finished files into various formats at different resolutions and data rates. Scaleable monitors to different resolutions on desktop in real time.
Support of the 48.1 khz audio band, for DV sound editing - and native non square pixel support for DV.
True timecode support.
Avid is the king for filmmaking right now because of the myriad problems regarding the differing framerate for film (24 fps) and video - and its ability to recognize the limitations of film (you want to do a dissolve? You're going to have to strike a dupe print - unless you can afford to have your opticals done digitally), and its mastery of creating EDL for importing to neg cutters, etc. None of the home, relatively cheap NLE solutions have full support of this so far.
Win based video editing apps are so sloppy in so many ways, so if you want to beat them, listen to people who use NLEs regularly and listen to their lengthy list of complaints.
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is a part of the kernel, at least the drivers are. Check out any recent kernel, I'm using 2.2.13 (with ext3 patches!)
WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
Personally, I thought that reply was ridiculously funny.
You can't study the darkness by flooding it with light. --Edward Abbey
For that price I could buy a sweet SGI Octane with dual r14k cpu's and TONS of ram and disk space. It would crush a linux box without blinking.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
They would go bankrupt you dumbass. Then all you marxist/communist linux leeches would "borgify" parts into a half assed clone. Don't believe the half assed clone part? Go look at freshmeat. How many copies of ws_ftp are there? Like a dozen. And they are all worse than the original windows clone. Not to mention how many are still alpha/beta code. I nearly had a heart attack when icewm hit version 1.0.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
thanks.
just because people think it's bogus doesn't mean they don't understand Open Source, they just think this particular app is bogus.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
I'm thrilled to see that video-edititing are coming in the future. But I don't think this is somthing to brag about yet. Linux still doesn't have any systemwide standar to howto handel video both software and hardware-compressed , have they? I must say that all you good programers who's doing this faboulus work(Video in general) will have a hard time beating the video-capabilitys in NT. They are outstanding, even for broadcast datarates of 32MB/S.
However, I hope the case will be that linux obtains a systembased videostandard simular to the one used by NT.
I also hope that Editing/MJPEG boards manufactures will start making drivers, but can they without any standard?
Good luck to all hardworking programers.
Magnus Wahrenberg
SOC/RO Update: This BroadCast 200 Finale Program really rocks. Let me tell you, in terms of realtime, 640x480 video editing for Linux, nothing comes anywhere near its realtimeness, editing capabilities, or its nonpareil 640x480ness. If you've got to shoot photon streams through slits to kill cats named Belfry, consider nothing else. This is perfection. But what, truly, is perfection? What is perfect? What is ideal? Do we all have our own ideals? Is there some, ideal video editing tool for linux out there? Plato wondered about ideal video editing tools nearly 10,000 years ago. Unfortunately, Aristotle soon realized what was going on, and decided to take him down. Linux was the Open/Source Operating/System that launched 1,000 ships, some headed to Troy, some headed to the Carribean, some headed to unknown desitantions far away, to do some unknown deed, to some unknown people. "How are your stocks doing?" Well let me tell you, my stocks are doing fabulous. Especially my fine art stocks. Those companies may not make money, and may rely on outmoded business models, but boy do they perform fabulously! My stock in Applied Brushstrokes (NASDAQ: CRAP) has split four times in the past six months. My dead animals have provided me with many fine stock tips these past few lonely weeks. My insane robot pal, KZ-467Y, had told me that I needed to get out more: "You need to get out more." But I did not heed his advice. "Listen," I said, "I will get out when I attend the Poke/Mon Championships, held July 3-7, in the Tampa Bay Convention Center, in Tampa, Florida. Until then I do not need to leave the company of my dead animals, except to steal pricey toothpaste." "Indeed," said the wild and crazy KZ-467Y, "you think that by sitting all alone, in your abandoned dumpster, with your dead animals, you ever will amount to anything?" "No," I explained, "but I have an idea..." I began to whisper my idea to him. Four short (40-50 minutes each) hours later, I had him convinced. "That plan is indeed crazy my friend," he nodded confidently, "but it's so crazy, it just might work." Later that night, I took out the following items: one (1) small, airtight, pressure-resistant box, one (1) cat named Belfry, one (1) vial of poison gas, one (1) subatomic particle. I then put Belfry the cat inside the box with the molecule. I placed a computer controlled device that would release the poison gas if the particular subatomic particle was detected on the vial of the poison (naturally). I then placed this in the box as well, on one side. Not knowing which side the molecule was on, I forcefully inserted a divider into the now-closed box. Now here is the question: is the cat dead? Or is it in a state of half-deadness? Obviously the cat is dead, because I cut it in half while putting the divider in. Doh!
but may not...I had to copy the libbcase.so file from the bcast2k directory to /usr/lib and/or /lib/ for it to work right. Just saying that because it says there may be a linker error if you don't have a libc6 system and as a newbie it scared me a little at first...
What in the world is wrong with you people? Of course this is for real. And of course you don't need 1 terabyte raid, etc. Wasn't it obvious by the "falling in love" comments, that the web page author has a sense of humor? And the "harras the author" email links?
What, so, now any joke or quirky humor (which some of us happen to like) means that everything else is invalid?
Yeah, ok, let's see, I think I'll waste a ton of time making up a WHOLE BUNCH of crap about a fictional video editing package, just as a setup for a few measly half-jokes at the bottom of the page.
At least there are a FEW of you who realize how FUCKING COOL and IMPRESSIVE this package is. Are you all linux advocates like you claim so fashionably to be, or not?!
Sheesh, people...... c'mon now..
All I have to say is........
HOOOOOOLY SHIT!!!!
These people have to be the absolutely most stupid, slow brained monkey fucks I have ever
encountered in my life.
IT IS A JOKE. HAHAHA
Practice laughing with me boys and girls.
"HA HA HA"
The author is making a JOKE!!!!
How dumb can you fools be?
How long have you spoken English?
Where are you from?
Do you know what sarcasm is?
Do you know when not to post and shutup? (I don't)
To spell it out ONE MORE TIME
The author is making a joke about the preferred
hardware for video editing to use his real application.
Wow - I can't believe I had to do that.
"The programmer should ALWAYS provide a good build system."
This reminds me of something that came up w/ the CmdrTaco interview last week. He suggested he hadn't released the code yet because he hadn't done all the little things, like documenting and setting up a proper configuration system. The response was that he should release it anyway, and the community would fix the problems. I'd say the same philosophy should apply here. I'd rather have the source now, then wait for the programmer to LEARN to setup a proper build system.
It's the chance of news stories like this that make me reload slashdot every few hours. I have downloaded the source, and yes, it IS gpl'd.
From README.src:
"Broadcast 200 is GPL. Through the magic of credit, the development costs have been shielded from the user."
When I went to CDIS college for a week, one of the things they showed us was video editing. I ventured a question: How much does the hardware and software cost? The professor gave me a rough estimate of ten thousand dollars. I sadly thought that such a potential low-barrier entry market should not be made high-barrier by the cost alone.
GPL'd software is not the end of all the caveats to make software great, however. One of the things that makes the GNU project's software so great is portability. Also, a lot of the GNU project's software is very solid. I am very interested in a professional video editor looking at this software and giving us input.
Kudos to the Broadcast 2000 team.
What are credits?
This is absolutely perfect timing, too, as we're just about to embark on our first sci-fi film. This could not have been released at a better time, if the writers had tried.
So, once again, a VERY big thanks!
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
A friend of mine picked up an ATI All-in-Wonder (or was it an All-in-Wonder Pro?) a month or two ago, and after spending a few days futzing with beta software he had TV-out working well. I don't think the TV input is supported yet but it was under development. IIRC it was only recently that ATI saw the open source light, so all the Linux driver software (including Mesa modifications, I believe) is in a fairly alpha stage. If you're desparate you could always get a separate bttv card for input.
This looks like an inspired piece of work. Instead of worrying too much about hardware compatability as yet, you could always import/export your footage under W95/NT and then edit the hell out of it via Linux.
By the looks of the screenshots, this software was used in the making of Titanic!
; )
**>>BELCH
From what I've seen, you can do a lot with iMovie on an iMac DV. I've played around a little with the software in the store, and I was pretty impressed at its smoothness and capability. That system costs in the $ 1,299 range.
Right now, I use EditDV for the Mac. I'd probably try B2000 if it had support for QuickTime, since I know of no FireWire capture software for Linux. Anyone have information on that?
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Missed the "real time" part - iMovie isn't real time. But it's still pretty cool, and definitely cost-effective.
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Humph. I tried Premiere and would do pretty much anything to avoid using it again. (I use EditDV on a Mac).
If this is really real time, it's a significant breakthrough - real time typically requires horribly expensive equipment. Only reason I'm not downloading it in a rush now is that I need support for my FireWire video camera.
What decent bcards are compatible with Video for Linux, anyway? I had the impression it was for pretty low-quality cards.
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Another thing that would be great, which I don't think even Adobe Premiere can do, is to use the capabilities of your 3D card to accelerate video transition processing. Think about it... all these fades, wipes, blends, flips, and wraps could be done in an instant using a good 3D card. Why not put it to use in processing full-motion video? It should be able to do it in realtime, quite easily.
Yeah, but honestly the big cost for the average joe is the hardware. All prosumer level capture cards come with NLE software (many with Premiere itself). You do not need an Avid rig to do work that is good enough for internet distribution right now (if broadband ever becomes super widespread this may change). I have a $500 DPS EditBay analog capture card that I can get 3:1 compression out of. It looks damn good, I know several people who have done some simple TV work with this card. You can get cards for a few $k that will give you broadcast quality results. Avid has a lock in the movie industry. We will see how they stand up, but it doesn't look good for them. As a way of comparison, Avid is the SGI of the video editing world, they were top notch for a long time, now consumer level stuff is starting to get to their level.
Q.
It's probably too late, this story is 1/2 way down the front page and all the moderators have used up their points or moved on to greener pastures (or at least less crowded ones).
In any case, I'm lending my karma whore +1 bonus to the parent of this reply. Go read it, it's informative.
It'd be neat if I could do it all under Linux and not have to get Premiere for Win2K or whatever.
Specifically which card? There is no mention of output of ANY KIND at hauppage's website and email to sales@hauppage.com bounces.
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Yes, this card (and the G400) looked good. But the only link I could find to info on Linux drivers lead me to a page that implied they didn't yet work.
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Considering 3dfx's new 3500 card that supports hardware MPEG compression on capture, driver support is a really big deal these days. Capture cards are becoming much more powerful and much cheaper ... it'd just be nice to use them.
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Using the +1 to inflate the previous posters score won't work. If the 'audience' has reparent on (I'm guessing 1/2 do), they'll only see your post. Second, unless they're browsing in nested mode (not the default), your 2 won't make the parent appear any higher up the list. It's usually better to just repost the data with your +1 and due credit.
I must thank you for your try, though. Moderators sometimes need a little, um, outside help.
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Wait! There's more!
A new version (0.15.6) of bttvgrab is available, also today. This is a simple but nice frame grabbing program for BT848 cards.
I've been looking into using bttvgrab as a cheap replacement for a VCR, but haven't found the time yet. Has anyone done this?
Does anybody know if this system will use the Video Capture card which has been put together by Linux Media Labs? (www.linuxmedialabs.com)
They are good people. They also do some other projects like quicktime for linux, etc. Check out their main page
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It is software like this that makes Linux truly viable and usable. Especially in the eyes of the main stream media.
It's biggest competition is a $500 or more piece of software that will only run on an MS platform. This fits perfectly with "selling" the OS as a mainstream, desktop solution.
Think of it like this: MS develops apps that people will want to run. They spend money to create software and hardware that only works with it's OSs in order to stimulate the sales of that OS. People not wanting to spend alot of money on apps and software are going to LOVE this Linux based solution.
Now if the higher end video capture and DV editing cards came with support for linux... My Canopus DV Rex M1 simply won't work under linux... yet...
--Alex
This is a signature virus...
And there's an unhealthy amount of anonymous cowards praising this package in a rather juvenile style.
If it's real and works well then that's really cool. If it's something more sinister. BTW: If it's a real project, I'd be real keen to help - gimp style plugins / scripting would be cool.
:wq
Without having looked at it, let me ask... how does it deal with codecs? Does it come with a set bundled, or do you have to add codecs like with xanim? What codecs are included?
--JT
In the "Readme.src" file...
:P)
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This source tree is for reference and posterity purposes, and possibly
MMX. There is no support for building the source code. You should
have already run the binary and decided Broadcast 2000 does something
that you really want to do on a Linux box. If you can't build it, you
should be doing other things as regards your GPA.
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And sure enough, there was just a make file, no configure script (which is when alarm bells start going through my head). I started compiling from the top level directory, and it stopped at
jpeg.c: In function `quicktime_read_markers_jpeg':
jpeg.c:209: `jpeg_saved_marker_ptr' undeclared (first use in this function)
jpeg.c:209: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once)
Which is not exactly an error caused by misconfiguration in the make files. I'll start
going through that code now...
I hope what he put there was another one of his "jokes", because that kind of attitude really sucks. The programmer should ALWAYS provide a good build system. It takes VERY little time to do if you know how all the code is supposed to fit together. It is MUCH harder (and wasted time), for a prospective user to do the same.
If I run into a lot of annoying configuration problems, I'll write my own damn autoconf file for this code, and release it on a web page (since the author has little interest in including it in his package
Building the code should not be made artificially difficult. You're not going to get rid of the losers in that way (the losers will all be screaming about RPM's (I am not implying that everyone who uses RPM's are losers)), but you are
going to annoy the prospective programmers who are going to have to go through the code and reconstruct what you already KNOW. In my opinion, a sloppy build system is the product of sloppy programmers.
I have followed the Broadcast 2000 development for a while, and I am both impressed by and thankful for their work. The drivers appear to be the missing link. Unfortunately, on the Broadcast 2000 page, they skip the issue of drivers, simply saying that any "Video4Linux" drivers will work, without so much as providing a link to a Video4Linux project page.
At least it's a good sign that they're sticking to a standard, rather than creating their own drivers. Unfortunately, the driver situation seems to be quite a mess. There's Video4Linux, Video4Linux 2, LiViD, and other projects and I'm not sure how they're related. Most of them seem to support mostly TV-in-a-window cards rather than full-motion video capture.
It looks like work on the Matrox Marvel drivers is coming along, which is good for me because I just bought an Athlon 550 and Matrox Marvel G400-TV! >geek gloatCineGX which seems to have disappeared. The idea was to create a framework for handling video, applying filters and codecs in a pipelike fashion. That would mean that you could, say, stream an AVI file from your disk, and show it as a picture within a live TV feed, showing it on the screen and spitting it into an MPEG2 file on disk all at the same time (provided you have enough processing power and/or hardware assistance). Most editing could be reduced to problems of mixing and matching streams and filters. The editing GUI would exist only to provide a project management function.
I'm so lost it's not even funny.
I have a very simple need:
1) Load software from camcorder
2) Edit (resequence)
3) Record back onto tape
Coincidentally I found this software (again) on the morning of it's release. I was ecstatic.
Then I looked around to figure out what card to buy. Clearly it needs TV in AND TV out.
Well, I can't find a SINGLE FREAKING CARD ANYWHERE that:
1) Support TV out
2) under Linux
3) today
Does ANYONE know of ANY CARD that meets these conditions?
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This is real.
Here is a link of me using it. http://thunklife.com/bc2k.jpeg
It seems like half of us have sence. And look, im not posting anonymous.
This software is top notch. I'm using it to edit a documentary about Linux. Go to the site to download some clips and see what bcast2000 is capable of producing.
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I mean, if we're going to have a million TV stations on the internet running out of people's homes, we have to have a way for those people to edit their shows, right?
Avid (makers of $100K non-linear editor systems) better watch its ass. I knew this kind of thing was an inevitability, but didn't realize it would be available so soon.
Here are some other links to similar projects:
http://www.geocities. com/ResearchTriangle/Facility/6309/index.html - the Free Film Project
Freefilm.linuxbox.com - not up yet, but coming
Of course the big players now in this industry are Avid (with the Media Composer, Film composer, Digidesign (Protools), etc.), Media 100, and Adobe (who has Premiere 5.x). If this actually exists, man, that would be great!
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Now I can make commerical quality p0rn at home with my Linux box (No pun intended!). I just bet this is what Linus was thinking when he started making Linux!
However, on a serious note, this is cool. Now if I could get Quake3 to give me a serious Frame Rate, I would *finally* be happy.
Linux O Muerte!
If Jean Louis were to follow the pack and go with digital democracy, open-sourcing the BeOS could push this sort of thing into overdrive. To combine the digital media capabilities with the most peer-reviewed OS around has got to be a great thing.
Until that time, Linux should probably focus on building market share by improving the Gimp and developing a strong vector graphics app to compete with the main 2 commercial OSes. Only by gaining a market share by slowly building people's confidence in the product can attract the proper attention. Otherwise, you'll get Joe Hollywood-Wannabe trying this system out, and finding the man pages way too convoluted to follow. Video editing for Linux will gain a bad rap and go by the wayside, unfortunately crippling an otherwise fat-potential business within the next handfil of years.
By the way, aside from pure evolution - what kinds of long-term goals do the Linux community forsee?
- passion
This is real. I have used this, it works well. If your not going to download it that is fine. But it is real. I am running it on my Pentium 200 mmx (not a PII). With a SB16 kernel driver. No OSS-Comercial.
I am not using the Video features, just the Audio. For Audio it is the fastest editor for Linux.
If you are still a sceptic, but want to believe. Check out freshmeat.
Look up the previos version Broadcast on the net.
This is real, I guess you nay-sayers just don't have faith in Open Source -- or know what it means.
I've been working on a GPL'd video editor for unix for sometime now.
I'm looking for people willing to help with the project.
http://www.crow.atu.com.au
Eric
I downloaded the Binary version of this early this morning. Very Impressed. I had played with a Beta, this is much better. Just the nonlinear sound editing capabilities alone are unmached in Linux or GPL software -- let-alone the video. This version has support for any sound card supported by the kernel, the previos version Broadcast. This is a major leap in the Field of MultiMedia for Linux. As well as the buz in the SoundStudio mailing list. Personaly I had a fear this would not be GPL, as this was a major project, and it was not GPL in the BETAs. In fact the BETAs I saw had timebombs in them, they would expire.