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Actress/Inventor Hedy Lamarr dies
No Such Agency writes "Wired News reports that Hedy Lamarr has died at the age of 86. Lamarr was not only a sex symbol and film star in the 30's-40's but also invented 'spread-spectrum' or frequency-hopping radio (with composer George Antheil). Originally intended to provide jamming-proof communications and remote torpedo control, the technology is one of the foundations of modern wireless communications, including wireless internet connections and GPS. Unfortunately their innovation was not appreciated until after their patent had expired. You can read more about Lamarr and spread-spectrum radio here."
so i guess he's the one we blame when we all get cancer from using our cell phones?
: )
-- Went home. Had to feed the kids.
Slashdot really needs to separate the dead-people articles from the technology articles. We're all too addicted to just not click on the story.
she was totally hot in "White Cargo" (an otherwise terrible movie) but who knew she
was a thinker? you'd never know from her
film roles.
"That's Hedley!"
garyr
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I would like to blast the mainstream media (and, I suppose, mainstream culture) for regarding acting as more worthy of attention than invention. This will all change after the Geek Revolution (heh).
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...of the garage revolution. A composer and an actress coming up with a breakthrough in communications technology. Far out. I'm rethinking my whole approach:
/. tend to assume that the beautiful people are lusers.
Wanted: Hollywood starlets and composers to assist in next generation web development architecture. Must have interest in compression technology, just-in-time compilers and self modifying code. Large, firm breasts and/or
appreciation of Irving Berlin a plus. Competitive salaries, call today.
In all seriousness, I like this story in that is provides a (admittedly anecdotal) refutation to the frequently expressed opinion that only stereotypical geeks can contribute to technology. Some geeks have bulging biceps or a knack for (american) football. Some geeks are cute. Too many of us on
--Shoeboy
To Hedy Lamarr, the original, never-to-be forgotten, Tech Talking Babe.
TOYWAR!!
Finding God in a Dog
http://users.deltanet.com/users/d stickne/hedy.htm
Hmm... many of them are black and white, like a statue....
Oh my God. You mean back then you could be a sex symbol and still be smart?
kwsNI
See this wired link
I remember the 1989 Carnegie Hall
version. I don't remember it in any detail,
but I remember it kicked butt. We are not
talking a trivial film composer here.
but then I like Milton Babbit too.
garyr
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Hedy Lamarr must be about the closest thing to a geek guy's ideal woman. She was certainly a hot chick in her day. Just look at that Corel Draw picture of her that Corel uses for their. But before today I'd *no* idea she was an engineering genius.
The orginal Techno-Talking Babe!(TM)
Consciousness is not what it thinks it is
Thought exists only as an abstraction
I heard it from Paul Harvey (true!) That she and her composer friend were thinking about the jamming problem, and she simple asked "why does it have to be on one frequency?" Thus the invention of spread spectrum broadcasting.
:)
Not sure if it's true, but sometimes the best inventions come from people who aren't knee deep in the problem already.
Coincidentally, Hedy Lamarr is also the face on the package of CorelDRAW. IIRC, she successfully sued Corel for using her image without prior authorization.
Personally, I think Corel should pay for a permanent memorial to her, in recognition for her services both in entertainment AND technology. (Given Corel's extremely unpleasent treatment of her in the past, such as false allegations in order to overturn a lawsuit filed against them, it is the least they can do.)
I also think that there should be some kind of fund, linking not only Hedy Lamarr but other well-known female geeks, nerds and innovators, to go to educating women (kids, teachers and parents) that it's OK to think, OK to earn decent money whilst clothed & vertical, and VERY OK to be interested in technology.
Is this person's death -that- important? YES! The fewer role-models that can speak out, the less chance there is of change. And society, frankly, sucks. The average person seems to keep their brains at waist-height, and technology is something people avoid like the plague. (More than a few -blame- it for the plague.) We need people who can stand up and say that intelligence is OK, that we were born with brains, and they aren't just for decoration in gorefest movies.
Sadly, those who -do- think about high-tech think "big machines, big budgets, big teams, egg-heads on Penguin Mints, and Military Backing". They don't think "piano", which is how Hedy came up with the idea of shifting frequencies. They don't think "storms & a compass", which is how Marconi developed the radio. They don't think "growing cells" or "living beings", which were the roots behind Alan Turing's and Von Neuman's developments in computing.
In the end, I doubt anyone will do a damn thing, in memory of this ingenious lady, to improve education, or to improve women's standing in society. But there ya go. What can you expect?
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
I like to do that.
It isn't until they're in my secret laboratory, and have signed a non-disclosure agreement, that they realize I brought them there TO TURN THEM INTO GRANITE STATUES by means of an Open-source Patent-pending Method For Transforming Girls Into Granite Statues*
*patent pending
yeah .. the he/she thing was a typo on my part
-- Went home. Had to feed the kids.
"You ever have that feeling where you're not sure if you're dreaming or awake?"
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
Maybe a Slashdot Hedy Lamarr Award for the most outstanding contribution made by a woman in the last year?
Hey, it could work.
TOYWAR!!
Finding God in a Dog
Interesting that the Wired article didn't link to an earlier Wired article mostly about George Antheil's masterpiece for the player piano, Ballet mécanique . Although mostly about Antheil, it also contains more information about Lamarr and spread spectrum later in the article. It's a fascinating read about a man's unreachable dreams of a mechanized symphony of player pianos finally coming to life after his death, using modern music technologies.
God bless you, Hedy. You're missed
Much Love,
"S"HM
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(I refuse to spellcheck out of contempt for your belief system)
Oh, sure, my submission about the passing of Ms. Lamarr gets rejected. Not that I'm bitter, mind you...
Anyway, the San Francisco Chronicle ran a story about her passing, inclding some nic e photos of her. They also had an overview of her spread spectrum invention.
Hedy was also honored by the EFF with a Pioneer Award in 1997 for her spread spectrum work.
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"Hey, Tone; who'd you rather have sex with: Amelia Earhart or Betty Page?"
"Hank, I tell ya: Betty's got the package, right? Tits, abs, ass-she's built. But flyin' across the Atlantic solo? Man, that shit is hot."
In 2 years, it was by far the most well reasoned, least sexist thing I ever heard him say.
Tone would see the allure of Hedy, no problem. She's Betty's body with Amelia's soul.
Much Love,
"S"HM
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(I refuse to spellcheck out of contempt for your belief system)
This is the first time I have ever heard of Hedy Lamarr the actress and the inventor!
Yay me!
Wish I had heard of her invention(s) before...
Insert mind here.
I can only speak for myself but I have no objection to inventors who make significant breakthroughs in any field patenting their work, and thus allowing them to profit from it. I believe that this is what patents are for. I do have an objection to opportunists who abuse the patent system by patenting incremental "breakthroughs", business models, things that already exist in prior art and things that are obvious (can you say "one-Click shopping").
Actually most of the "actresses" I have met actually prefer to be called actors. There was this one girl who told me that only airhead bimbos call themselves actresses. :)
Q.
As the evening wore on, Lamarr began outlining her idea for a sophisticated antijamming device for use in radio-controlled torpedoes. If this seems out of character for a 26-year old film beauty, the fact is that not only did Lamarr possess a first-class mind but she also had listened to her husband's dinner-table business discussions with customers for his armaments. After all, Fritz Mandl's Hirtenberger Patronen-Fabrik had supplied much of the equipment Benito Mussolini used when his troops invaded Ethiopia in 1935.
Seastead this.
Am I crazy or was there a character called Hedly Lamar (note the L in hedly) in the movie Blazing Saddles?
I've never put the two together before but the thought just popped in my head. Was this a coincedence or an homage?
-scuz me while I whip this out...
Speaking of lateral thinking, that's a far better idea than the one I came up with. Hat's off to you.
How about it Slashdot? If you want I'll start developing products that we can sell...proceeds to go to the Hedy Lamarr Award for Lateral Thinking.
TOYWAR!!
Finding God in a Dog
A Canadian company specializing in wireless technology, Wi-Lan,acquired the original patent from Lamarr for "spread spectrum" technology back in 1998. Wi-Lan claimed that they were going to promote her role in developing the technology but sadly, I never saw much of that (I live in Canada and recall reading the article in June/98 in TCP, before Wi-Lan's apparent "discovery" by investors). The long overdue credit could still happen, but it's not the same once the co-inventor is dead (Lamarr's husband helped invent SST).
Read about it here
http://www.wilan.com/news/press/press23a.html
She was also in the news in '98 when she sued Corel for using her picture on the CorelDraw box without permission.
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Here's a quote from the San Francisco Chronicle obit (near the bottom):
... and lawyer Lewis W. Boies Jr
:-) :-)
She was married and divorced six times -- to
Could this lawyer be any relation to the Boies hired by the DoJ who did such a wonderful job against M$?
And moderators -- lighten up! laugh, it's funny!
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Outside of the obvious things that she did for science and the Allied forces during WWII- as well as the simple fact that I would not have a modem if not for her, the one thing that sticks in my mind is this:
After her accomplishments were turned over to the Government for the war effort, they did not welcome her into the halls of the nations think tanks.
Instead, they asked her to sell her sex appeal as a spokesmodel for the sale of U.S. war bonds.
Out of sheer patriotism, she did.
I'm just happy that she has started to recieve some of the respect that she's had coming for so long, and that the EFF was good enough to say 'thanks' while she was still alive.
that was a spine-chilling thought, brother.
If Hedy Lamarr, or anyone else, had patented something as simple as spread spectrum today, it would be a joke patent, much like so many others. In the 1940's, however, it was a marvelous new idea that should have been used more than it was.
.COM wasted 999 man*hours implementing it).
If no one else can figure out how to solve a real problem, then one person figures out a solution, that's a real patentable idea. Sometimes it's hard to tell if it's a solution seeking a problem. But stupidly obvious stuff like saving your credit card info in a server indexed by username or cookie, is not worthy of a patent (even if some
If Hedy Lamarr had been in her prime at the launch of the Internet, she probably would have been a great contributor.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
thanks!
If you know how to do a web search, then search, and learn the truth.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
I've read quite a bit about Nikola Tesla and his inventions, and I'm certain he invented this system right after the turn of the century.
He invented radio, patented it, and in 1893 gave a lecture about it and published it free for everyone in the world to use. He was then totally ripped off by Marconi around the turn of the century when he made the first transatlantic broadcast using the exact same apparatus that Tesla had described in the paper he published.
At this time, Tesla was trying to push the government to adopt his system of wireless war machines that could do battle without having humans be sitting ducks inside them. He demonstrated a model boat at the world's fair that was not only wireless, but used spread spectrum techonology to encrypt its signal. Nobody, of course picked up on this.
He went on to invent radar and offered to build radar systems for the government in the late 1920's, but they refused, and were forced to play catchup in 1938 and develop their own radar system.
If you'd like some more information about Tesla, go check out this short article about his major achievements: http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/ tesla/tesla.html.
Tesla was not a crackpot, like a lot of people who know nothing about the man seem to think. This view was created by Thomas Edison who spent a large portion of his life trying to smash Tesla's image, and he ended up succeeding very well.
- Chris
Actually.. I think saying 'Spread Spectrum' covers more than just Frequency Hopping....
There is Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum, Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum.. and I'm sure there are/will be others....
Freq. Hopping is when you shift carrier frequencies arond within the wider spectrum (hence, spread) that you are using.
Direct Sequence is a lot wierder (very closely tied in to CDMA... or rather, I think CDMA is an extension of DSSS). In direct sequency, you simply 'spread' the signal over the whole wide spectrum at once.... and the special way the signal is coded gives it redundancy, and makes it hide.
in FHSS, on a spectrum analyzer, a definite pattern of carriers on different frequencies shows up.. ina proper bell curve around the center frequency. (I think it's a bell.. something similar anyway).
in DSSS, on a spectrum analyzer, a 'plateau' is all you see.. with fuzz under it.
is that really you, cm?
Hedy Lamarr's patent partner, George Antheil, was also no slouch at premature applications of future technologies. His riot-inciting work, Ballet Mécanique required sixteen synchronized player pianos to sound right. This wasn't technically possible until 1991, and first performed correctly in 1999 so perhaps the "George Antheil award for premature killer apps" is in order too... Anyway we geeks will miss you, Hedy!
Totally!
Apparently you only get this famous after you die and you finally can't stop the media from talking about you--it sounds like the story of her life.
Here's a link from before she died...
MIT Inventors
Now, the Forbes article was pretty good. I can understand how someone with her background could help out on an idea like this, but she certainly didn't invent it outright, which is what the Wired article sounds like. Maybe we could have gotten the full story before, but she's dead now, and let the media make a story about it all they want, they always do...
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(perhaps Ada Lovelace was the penultimate original tech talking babe, but can't forget Nitrozac either .. oh my)
Tesla is one guy who really got screwed by history. I remember back in the day (OK, early 90s when I was still *listening* to Tesla, the band) doing some research for a college paper on Tesla. He was also the one that pressed for the use of Alternating Current when Edison was pushing for Direct Current. We all know which one is more widely used, but somehow, we all think Edison came up with that idea.
Tesla was, however, very eccentric which didn't help his image any.
Someone dies
Someone posts to slashdot with a link to "hot pics" of said person, and gets a score+1 informative?
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
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Well, Lot's wife was turned into a pillar of salt, which is pretty close.
dave
The hard transfer limit for this user has been reached
Not everyone has a site that can be slashdotted. Not everyone can afford it. I think in this case, someone has web hosting with limits, and we exceeded them.
A page that is probably lucky to get maybe a few hundred hits a month has probably been hit more tonight then it has in it's entire existance. In this case, some person's content may be totally inaccessable to others until their next billing period, which is sad.
Slashdot needs to remember this before linking a url in an article like that.
Problem is, I don't have a solution. Any suggestions?
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Intelligence is definitely a recessive trait.
In case anyone missed it, the German film Ecstasy which launched Hedy Lamarr's career had a nude scene. It's quite tasteful by today's standards, and no, there's no petrification involved.
And if it doesn't disturb you to ogle the body of someone who is now dead, you should perhaps reconsider. And if you find it disturbing that someone posted this comment, then you're probably right.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
Why reply anonamously? Be proud to be the athiest you are. But since we've gotten into the whole spiritual thing, why not just worship me not as a god, or God but as a man not a deity. I say it's good for women to do their thing, in fact I have a thing for good-looking women that can apreciate the geek speek. Let them love me and i'll love them (unless they're piggies, tons of them at my school). Be happy that they do something instead of spend your money! Please for my cell phone's sake.. let the women think, and sure let them think they are superior whatever. it's all perspective. Even all that hippe christain stuff.
Yeah, true, _now_ - but think history, man.
She was an actress in the 1930s-50s, and that's what they said back then.
No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up.
A pretty good Hedy Lamarr Website can be found at www.hedylamarr.at . It's in German as well as in English, an offers some nice information about her Invention.
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Yes, they are told to have IQ in the 130s.
What are they inventing?
But probably you can make much more money in world-class acting vs. inventing now than in the 30s.
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The story of the "Secret Communications System" patent is truly one of the most incredible stories I've ever heard, (wouldn't it make a great film?) and a look at the patent is a real eye-opener for people who are familiar with modern digital technology.. Why? Because the design was for a digital system built with analog components..
And the person who said that Hedy and George had given their patent to the government in hopes of helping to stop Hitler was right..Hedy had seen facists and facism at close hand.. and so had my father, and they both knew what was at stake..
in spite of this, Hedy was still looked at suspiciously as an "enemy alien" by some.. :(
She was married off by her family when she was stillin her teens, and was kept virtual prisoner in Austria as a "trophy bride" of the Austrian arms magnate Fritz Mandel a few years before the war, and she literally had to drug a maid in order to flee..
While being forced to sit at the dinner table with her husband and his facist friends, who included high-ranking Nazi military officials, she built up a knowledge of military technology and carried that with her when she fled to London. (where Samuel Goldwyn, I think, gave her a ticket to the US) She met my father at a party at Janet Gaynor's house, and asked him if he could help her turn what was then a valid, but unformed idea into something that could work..(My father had a reputation in Hollywood as an experimental musician and as somebody who was familiar with the latest in technology..)
It took them about six months to do the whole process, and the patent is really interesting.
Hedy and George never made a penny from the patent, which was really unjust, I think, because the government had classified it as "Top Secret" and made the commercial utilization of the invention difficult. Just after the patent expired, in 1960, it began to see commercial use..(in the Cuban Missle Crisis) Its now the main secure communications technology in use in Milstar, the US govt's 25 billion dollar "survivable" satellite communications system. Spread Spectrum is, in addition to being an incredibly efficient way to send data, inherently secure.. (one needs to know the code, in order to read the message..or usually, even know a message exists..)
By the way, spread spectrum holds out another possibility with startling implications.. It could be used to create a new television and/or radio broadcasting service that would be able to, in any given geographic area, accomodate the broadcast of many, many more channels of information, at higher quality, than we have now, eliminating scarcity on the airwaves and the battles over bandwidth .. Just imagine, community radio, community television, creativity, true democracy of the airwaves, and perhaps, even, no need for a license to broadcast..and no more canned satellite shows..
That possibility scares some interests tremendously. And its something worth fighting for.
They have digital radio in Europe, why not here?
Guess why...
Anyway, my father died about six weeks after I was born, so I never knew him.. But I definitely did inherit his interest in communications technology...and music..and now that I know the real story, I'm very proud of him..
Now if only I could only get my only two relatives on this planet to stop saying I'm "blackmailing" them for simply being open about my father..(Its a generational thing, I guess. my mother and father weren't married, big deal..)
By the way, thanks for an excellent site, I read it almost every day..
Chris Beaumont
chris@ncafe.com
Funny. I have found no comments about the fact that according to the IMDB bio (link in the article), she was arrested two times for shoplifting (in 1966 and 1991).
Had she used her genius for Good!
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Moderators, the parent page is highly informative, an account of a related part, besides he is the owner of one of the pages linked in the article.
But I couldn't see it, even the cached page at Google.
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Men with no respect for life must never be allowed to control the ultimate instruments of death.
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Amazing how World War II got a lot of women to do things they would never to today. With all the men fighting it was like a phsychological switch. By forcing them to take their husband's place they found that technology wasn't impossible and that seems to have carried over into the 60's. Today of course, there is no incentive for them to work and we live in a rapidly moving economy, with very high economic mobility, equal opportunity for everyone, and no women.
so we now have a TRUE hacker goddess ..
.. ;-)
'bout time if you ask me
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For the past few months I've been reading Slashdot's front page and avoiding reading the comments because of the idiots who post petrified crap here. (BTW, you can thank me for being a part of the clean-up at Segfault) :-)
/. into a woman-hating boy's club. It's a real shame, because I know the women that would like to contribute here, I believe /. is suffering from their absence.
/. allow women to be raped literally here, like someone did to me on my interview page?
For the first time in about 2 months I checked out the comments here because I've been getting a ton of email to check out this story. I'm furious at the sheer amount of the stone posts, I just don't think the moderation is clearing them out fast enough. I think Slashdot should ban the IPs of these abusers, because in essence if you just leave them to post, you're pushing away the many intelligent women who would like to be a part of this community, including myself.
These petrified posts, assault women, they're cleary mysogynist. I think the intent is to drive away women. It's a good way to turn
I understand that freedom of speech is important, but wouldn't you want IPs to be banned if they spewed racist hate? Why does
Nitrozac
Thanks Nitrozac for speaking up. I'm a guy, and I too find this hate-speak to be really unacceptable. I just don't understand the reasoning behind letting it continue. The only real reason I can see is that Slashdot wants the banner hits from these creeps.
/., the big backlash is coming!
Unfortunately, in the long run, it means less banner hits, as intelligent readers go elsewhere. Hey, I go to Segfault now that's it's been cleaned up, and I congratulate the guys there for making the changes.
Wake up
"If only I'd been born in Lily^H^H^H^HHedy's time, I would have been all right...."
I also keep thinking of the song from Little Shop of Horrors: "Would you like a Cadilac car? / Or a guest shot on Jack Parr? / How's about a date with Hedy Lamarr? / You're gonna get it (if you want it, baby)."
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You cannot wash away blood with blood
...we're gonna get what you deserve"
"Huh?" paused Trent Reznor, puzzledly shuffling through his lyrics.
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That's my depiction of the consequences of this unrelenting woman bashing crap. There are some geeks who are incredibly territorial about the computer profession and are really hostile to women. They usually don't have a girlfriend or any serious relationships with women (okay so I'm stereotyping, but I'd bet the farm on this one), and they get what they deserve.
But then they make other geek women angry, defensive and suspicious, and then the rest of us wind up having to make up for these guys. Worse yet some women are driven away from the 'geek' lifestyle, or if they're into it, they don't jump in with the rest of us for fear of being savaged by some open source natalie portman troll, so the geek guys are stuck hanging with each other. So we wind up getting what those trolls deserve, too.
However, there is a bigger picture involved here. Geek girls don't catch 1/100th as much shit as, say, a stay at home dad. I'll also throw in Hispanic Jews, african american linux users, asian country western singers, white rappers, and women soldiers, and if you know what I am talking about when I mention those things, you'll understand that the crap geek chicks get, is nothing new in a society where everyone is assigned implicit boundaries by race, religion and gender. Knowing this won't stop the open source natalie portman crap but at least you'll know what mentality the trolls are 'bowing down' to.
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These posts sicken me. It is a deep seated hatred of women that represents them as immobile sexual objects. They are openly hostile to women.
Just read Telsa Cox's diary page (and here)to see what she thinks about Slashdot.
Naked and Petrified posts are ruining Slashdot.
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no. that's not true.
now, a lot of *american* cs girls are ugly, but then a lot of american cs guys are ugly. cs people are just aesthetically challeged.
now, a lot of the international students in CS are surprisingly normal (oh yeah, cs people are also normality challenged). i'm not saying that this implies anything about the perception of computer people in us culture but....er, it does.
-k. ^-^ ^D
the last post didn't read to well. what it says, specifically, is that normal, well-adjusted, attractive people of both genders are discouraged from going into science or computer science (women more than men, i think).
-k. ^-^ ^D
Hedley: Repeat after me... I Crowd: I Hedley: your name... Crowd: your name... Hedley: schmucks! and later... Hedley: go do, that voodoo, that you do!
This is a two step proposal. One step is trival. The second takes a lot of work.
One possible abuse: moderators who disagree with someone's comments can abuse the "Naked and Petrified" option. Blip their comments are never seen again, until meta-moderation, and then the moderator loses only one karma point. I'm not sure how to fix this except to up the karma penalty for an unfair "Naked and Petrified" post to -5.
TOYWAR!!
Finding God in a Dog
or -6, garbage (connotations of "deep six").
Garbage. Most descriptive term I've seen yet.
Not to be confused with "innocent" fun like mmept, first post, trolls, flame wars, etc.
Probably do something like not losing moderator points but losing moderator status unless a 2/3 majority of metamoderators are in agreement.