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Linux 2.3.46 Released Unto the World
jschauma writes "I just saw on freshmeat that Linux 2.3.46 is out - thought I'd share the news. Freshmeat also has the changelog online. " One step closer to 2.4.
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Oh wait, I could have just read freshmeat.
What's supposed to be in 2.4, anyhow? SMP updates? Maybe my TV card will work better...
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I partially agree here. But there is a reason it's called a beta kernel. If you've just installed linux and don't have too much experience (ie i've never even RECOMPILED my kernel), then DO NOT use a 2.3 kernel. However, if you are not worried about crashes, or if you have some need to run 2.3 (USB, better TV support, etc) then go for it. But don't cry when it doesn't work :)
I got burnt after a 2.1 series kernel that scrambled a filesystem with my mp3s on. Recovered most of em, but some of em got mixed up, so I got about 10secs of each mp3 in the directory...
-Yarn - Rio Karma: Excellent
your TV card may in fact work better.... Gerd has done a lot of work on the bttv driver, but many of the changes aren't merged yet... go to the xawtv site and grab the latest 7.x version of bttv - you may be pleasantly surprised.
(It will work with 2.2.x as well, with some patches)
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If only because a huge number of naive Linux users out there read slashdot. Apparently, they get confused into thinking that Linux isn't stable because the kernel isn't stable because they're using a development kernel. Aside from arguing the merits of this being posted on slashdot. I do think that it should at least be mentioned that it's a development kernel and so is not as stable as a stable kernel.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
...2.3.978a-ac-dc is far more important news indeed. Gee. Dozen of changes to ancient network drivers and to devfs. I am thrilled.. Come on. THis is business as usual. Win2K launch is not (as much as I dislike the system). Have a sense of perspective.
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devfs is in.
/dev/, 99% of which you don't use (ya sure, I have 20 ide partitions. And 5 sound cards. And 9 SCSI CD-ROM drives...), you mount /dev as devfs, and only see the devices you have. Simplifies life a great deal. More info at the devfs overview. Devfs has existed as a patch for a good time now but Linus had issues with it.
devfs = Device File System. Instead of makedev and having dozens and dozens of device files in
Congratulations to Richard Gooch on his efforts over all this time and his tireless dedication to getting in into the kernel. Hats off to you.
Forgot to add that it's listed as experimental, so you won't see it in the options if you don't have experimental turned on.
Normally, I agree that announcing the latest development kernel on Slashdot is a little silly - after all, if you're running the devel kernels, you know where to look for them.
However, this kernel release IS newsworthy. Why? Well, take a look at this posting to the linux-kernel mailing list:
[PATCH] devfs v158 available
If you can't be bothered to follow the link, here's the important sentence from that posting: This is the patch that was sent to Linus and included in 2.3.46-pre5. That's right boys and girls, DevFS is now part of the standard Linux kernel. This is wonderful news, and amazingly hasn't yet sparked off any great flamewars on the mailing list (those of you that read the list will know that mentioning DevFS on it has seemed akin to posting about atheism on an evangenical Christian newsgroup). For more information about DevFS, have a look at Richard Gooch's kernal patch page.
I'm still amazed that this has happened.
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Did I miss something? Did Microsoft cancel the W2K launch at the last moment? Did the spooks cover it up? No, everybody else is reporting the news except /.
/. Congratulations. Long live media bias!
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If the W2K launch isn't "News for Nerds", then I'm afraid I don't know what is. A Linux kernel update is "News for Nerds", but the most anticipated OS release in the past two years isn't?
Today is a new low for
(And don't flame me with "but this is a Linux news site" - the site specifically says "News for Nerds", not "News for Linux Nerds".)
Open soure. Closed minds. We are
-- "I believe the human being and the fish can coexist peacefully." - George W. Bush, 29 September 2000
This is a rant, but this is not a troll, flamebait, nor is it off-topic. So read with open ears.
I am sick of seeing linux development kernel upgrades posted on Slashdot. I think if Slashdot is going to get in the business of announcing minor software updates, they should announce all software updates. I recognize the need for Slashdot to mention major software upgrades, such as GNOME hitting the 1.0 plateau or KDE hitting the 2.0 plateau, but announcing every single minor development kernel revision is ridiculous. That's why we have places like Freshmeat, and that's why we have things like Freshmeat slashboxes. It's that simple.
But, I can understand how this might be of some value to people who can't figure out how useful Freshmeat is or even know it exists or just plain don't like it. I like people to be constructive, not destructive, so I propose that Rob et al develop a new Slashdot topic like 'kernel-development-update' and make it real specific to development kernel announcements. I like reading about major proposals to the kernel, so that shouldn't be in there, and I certainly don't want to filter out all Linux related news, so Linux development kernel updates shouldn't be under that heading. Give it a cute kernel icon, like a corn kernel or something. It's just inane to make these announcements every week or so for something that is in development. Yes, it's the road to 2.4, but let's wait until we get a 2.4pre kernel or something and the end is in sight. With Linux development kernels having a history of getting into the hundreds in minor version numbers, we don't need these. Freshmeat's good enough.
And for those who are going to say that the universe doesn't revolve around me (and I'm sure you're out there), Stephen Hawking postulated that the universe could be expanding from any point, and so right now, I'm designating that point as me. Call it the Hrunting Corollary.
*wheeze wheeze*
Just edit drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c, and change line 237.
back_merges_fn should read back_merge_fn (IE, remove the 's')
This has been posted to linux-kernel as the fix, and it works for me.
My favorite change going into 2.4 is the halving of the filesystem caching structures. Instead of a read buffer and a write buffer, there is a single buffer. That makes the buffering data files use far less memory. Systems like mine will benefit greatly from this because the key to good performance at my site is getting all the game files in memory to avoid the awful penalty of disk IO. ;)
Other changes are detailed in a story over on Linuxtoday.
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According to linux-kernel, try this:
diff -u linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c.orig linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c
--- linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c.orig Wed Feb 16 20:15:56 2000
+++ linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c Wed Feb 16 20:45:56 2000
@@ -253,7 +253,7 @@
INIT_LIST_HEAD(&q->queue_head);
q->elevator = ELEVATOR_DEFAULTS;
q->request_fn = rfn;
- q->back_merges_fn = ll_back_merge_fn;
+ q->back_merge_fn = ll_back_merge_fn;
q->front_merge_fn = ll_front_merge_fn;
q->merge_requests_fn = ll_merge_requests_fn;
q->make_request_fn = NULL;
Well, you get the idea even if it looks like crap on slashdot.
(Original linux-kernel post)
OK, so maybe Freshmeat does post this stuff. Ask yourself, how many servers do you have in your company? Have many drives in the array? Redundancy is OK. If two sites do the same thing, then what's the harm? Slashdot reports on stuff that is on other news sites, but no one says, "Hey, News.com already posted this. Why don't I just check there?"
No Linux system?
It's a price for performance... no linux system??
This looks bogous to me.
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That way, if you really care, you can just go into preferences and turn on the box, so you can see the latest, greatest kernel version.
I do what the voices on my console tell me to do.
Weeeeellll... since VA and Andover are both publicly held, their administration can't do anything that doesn't benefit the stockholders financially. If they *do* do that, they'll get their pants sued off, and lose their jobs.
That would be no good. I don't have any personal opinion on the merger, except that VA now owns both sourceforge and server51, so the only non-VA free development platform-type-site that I know of is openprojects.net. But that's a different point altogether.
Oh, and themes.org and Slashdot are now owned by the same people...isn't that exciting? But, of course, the Andover/VA Linux staff has no say in what gets posted and what doesn't.
Oh wait, roblimo is an editor of AndoverNews. Hrm. He's also been with them for a long time, I do believe.
So are we really to believe that Andover (through roblimo) doesn't have any say in what gets posted on slashdot?
And...what about the guy who posted to the original merger (VA-Andover) thread, from valinux.com, who got an automatic +4(!), without any moderation. Hmm.
Some of it seems a bit suspicious. But that's the way I am sometimes, eh?
-ed fisher.
this
... either.
And for one, I don't get it. NASA news is news for nerds, and its generally about stuff that matters.
But, see, Slashdot stories are selected by Rob and Hemos and the gang. Its stuff that's interesting to them. Thus, Slashdot is a cult of personality - the personalities that are Hemos, CmdrTaco, etc.
So, tough.
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> It's a price for performance... no linux system??
Actually, the link supplied isn't price/performance, it's flat performance. That's what makes it especially relevant. And if you'd care to look at the numbers, this $4mil Compaq/Microsoft box is chunking nearly two-thirds more transactions per minute than the drastically more expensive IBM and Sun servers located down the line. Oh, and this is an independent scientifically audited benchmarking site, so this ain't no FUD. And to specifically answer your question, if SMP under Linux and MySQL worked at all well, you'd see them on the other list, here where the list is not blanketed by performance, but rather by price. Eat your heart out.
Jake
Aside from that I think it is very clear that these kernels do not undergo even the most cursory testing. The typo in the ll_rw_blah_blah.c means that nobody even tried compiling this kernel before release. If they had that typo would have been caught.
-jwb
I was there. Here are a few highlights:
* Celebrity guests were Patrick Stewart and the guy who played Peterman on Seinfeld (predictably, there were lots of jokes about "enterprise" and "engage!"). The Peterman guy played a venture capitalist who made a deal with the demonstrator (playing a startup founder) because he was able to show him his business plan on the plane using the IntelliMirror function to replicate his desktop from the server back at the office.
* Lots of focus on plug-and-play, use of the Infra-red port on laptops to transfer files, USB compatibility, and Firewire to transfer files from camcorders. Also focused on DVD capabilities.
* There was a chart with the results of a third-party stress test, which showed that the average uptime for Windows 95 was 2.5 days, NT 4 was 5.4 days, and Windows 2000 was 90 days (and counting...the test machine was still running)
* Gates announced two new TPC-C numbers putting Windows NT/2000 in the #1 and #2 position for transaction processing performance for the first time (the second one, announced today, used a cluster of 12 x 8-way Compaq servers to get over 227,000 tpmC, the highest number previously was IBM with about 150,000 tmpC, at four times the cost of the Windows 2000 system)
* There was a demo of a massive web server cluster running Windows 2000, supposedly capable of handling 1.2 billion hits per day. To prove it, curtains were raised around the auditorium to show that the walls were literally covered with desktop systems, all of which were banging on this cluster.
* The main prop on stage was a giant (i.e. 40' high and wide) laptop. The show closed with the bottom of the laptop lifting up, and underneath was the band Santana, who then broke out playing.
...we're all anxiously awaiting 2.4. Every devel kernel release is getting us closer. It's like a countdown. And there's often something about the release that merits discussion (like devfs in this release). Slashdot is really a discussion forum, it's not a news forum.
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I was just browsing good ol' slashdot. I clicked on a _read_the_rest_of_this_comment_ link and I got a different comment than the one I had been reading. I looked around a little, comparing the old version of this page in my browser with the newer version. The following posts seem to have been eaten. They do not even show up on the author's user info page. I apologize for not knowing html well enough to make this look a little better.
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Re:Woo Hoo! (Score:1)
by Luyseyal (swaters_AT_amicus_DOT_com) on Thursday February 17, @07:11PM EST (#74)
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LWN has some really good information on 2.3.46. can we say devfs??!! can we say new RAID??!! http://lwn.net/2000/0217/kernel.phtml
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Nerds don't run Windows (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17, @07:13PM EST (#75)
Only lusers run Windows; therefore, it is not "News for Nerds."
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Re:No bias here at
by Zurk (zurk@SPAMSUCKSgeocities.com) on Thursday February 17, @07:14PM EST (#76)
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oh bullshit. if you dont like it dont read here dimwit. yes, a kernel change is interesting for some of us if it has been a slow day. windows 2000 is the most anticipated OS for who ? i dont even use the current release.
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by mrsam (sam@email-scan.webcircle.com) on Thursday February 17, @07:14PM EST (#77)
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Please post all the usual "Why Are You Announcing Kernel Revisions In Slashdot?" flames in this thread.
Thank you very much.
My fellow Americans, please join me in congratulating Mr. Torvalds with his recent accomplishments. He is an inspiration to all.
Thank you, and God bless.
We had to move the DB to another machine for a moment then move it back. I'm afraid those comments were apprently posted while we were copying the DB back -- we caught most of them but it appears these few slipped in while the copy was happening. Thanks for reposting them. I would moderate you up but since I'm posting here I can't.
Does anyone know whether 2.4 will include support for > 2 GB files on 32 bit machines?
It is surprisingly difficult to find a definitive answer on this. I'm aware of the LFS patches at ftp://mea.tmt.tele.fi/linux/LFS/, but I need everything to 'just work', including iostream libraries etc...
In redhat 6.2 or 6.3, what are the chances that a tar cvzf stuff.tgz /data/* will just work without truncating my tarball to 2GB?
I wonder if there is more information about this or these particular stress tests. If they are not internal Microsoft tests, it would be interesting to run them on the Linux development kernels.
How much dedicated stress testing do people really do for Linux development kernels? I know Microsoft "prides itself" in the stress tests it runs on its internal NT builds.
cpeterso
Seems its all a matter of opinion, I for one read a LOT of news sites, and i honestly can say i did not get a hint that win2k was released today. I thought it would get released sometime this week, but i never saw any indication it was today. If it was such a huge release, why report it? seems pretty redundant to me. Same goes for the kernel posting. I don't come to slashdot just so i can get a link back to news.com or cnn.com about some overhyped win2k release, i come to slashdot to get the tech goodies that other news agencies take 6 months to realize whats going on. its all a matter of opinion, you people are WAAY too sensitive. many post without thinking. and a flame war starts. *sigh* too bad... nate aphro@aphroland.org
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Try the kernelnotes.org slashbox. It gives the current stable and development kernels as well as the old stable and development (i.e. 2.0.x and 2.1.x), with links to the changelogs and all at kernelnotes.
I believe that there never was a limit in the filesystem code. I don't know if the OS limitations have been lifted (I suspect they have). But a lot of applications won't "just work" and they won't "just work" on 64-bit machines either.
The problem is that to fix the 2GB limit you need to change every program to understand that they cannot just seek to an integer (or long) location. This kind of type change simply cannot be easily done, there are too many problems that can arise. Therefore even on 64-bit machines many programs only use 32-bit constructs and will require workarounds.
A sample problem? Perl programmers on 64-bit machines are advised not to open large files directly in Perl, but rather to open pipes to and from processes that can read and write the files. Fixing that requires compiling perl (the program is lower case) with still-experimental 64-bit support. There is nothing that could possibly be done at the OS level about this - the issues are internal to how perl was written.
Cheers,
Ben
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I had the opportunity to see Mr. Gates give the keynote at the spring Comdex (it is put on by ZD and named "Windows World" after all) last year.
;)).
He opened with a video showing the previous year's (Spring 1998) presentation where they demonstrated the wonderful ease Windows 98 installed drivers for USB devices. He showed a video of that presentation and how it failed. I wasn't there in '98, so I assume that video was legit. A scanner (I think) was plugged in, Windows 98 saw that and displayed the "Adding New Hardware" box. The next dialog that came up requested the driver disk. A little bit later the blue screen came up and they immediately shut off the display.
So, to correct that "problem," Mr. Gates said they had worked on the problem the entire year since, and would give it another try, with the same computer and scanner. They plugged it in and it went beautifully, with one minor difference. The computer didn't prompt for the driver disk. My guess, with what I've known of Windows 9x over these years, is they already had the driver installed once before on that computer. So when it came around this time, it did not need the drivers because Windows already knew they were already there...
I did see some write ups on those Windows type magazine web sites about this event, how it couldn't have gone smoother and Windows will save the universe from certain damnation. Not a word was mentioned of the difference in the presentation. I guess I was the only one there that paid attention to such details (the Windows tech support life did it to me
Seeing him in person and watching this incident revealed to me much about Mr. Gates that is never covered in trade magazines/web sites. It can also be surmised by many accounts from people that knew him in the early days that he is a very competitive guy and hates to be embarrassed like that, PBS' Triumph of the Nerds (or whatever it was called), TNT's Pirates of Silicon Valley. I saw this side of him there at the keynote in Chicago. He will never let that happen to him again.
Where's this going? Well, I wouldn't be surprised if what was shown for the audiece to "ooo" and "ahh," and give these lapdog magazines something to proclaim as a true renevation for the new millennium we just entered, and what was really going on behind the scenes were not exactly the same. A screen saver on these desktops that reloads the page every second, some graph app that shows the "load" on the servers? I wouldn't put it past the man. Things must run completely smoothely, no matter what...
Agreed. There is a lot more going on in the world than could possibly be discussed on slashdot, even when you narrow your field with parameters like "must appeal to nerds" and "ought probably apply to technology and its effects." There are sites which better cater to this need. Slashdot tends to list 15-20 stories on the main page each day rather than, say, 115 to 120 stories.
Not everyone would agree on what the most important, discussion-worthy, news-worthy events or ideas of the day are -- that much is made brutally clear by slashdot comments, eh? But let's say that Rob and the other authors consider their own interests as well as those of readers and the collaboration generally results in the posting of stories which interest a pretty broad swath of the readership. That, and check-boxes make it hard to complain too much about the news that doesn't fit any particular denomination of nerd-dom.
But 2.4 promises to be a big step, and the steps that lead to dot-4 are interesting. Devfs alone seems to justify the news of the recent kernel changes.
And Win2000? Well, did you see much coverage on the local TV news? Do you know a lot of IT guys who are anxious to switch a middle-size (say, 50-person) business to it prior to the first service pack? It's news, but only in a pretty pre-digested, press-release way. A new Linux kernel is more newsworthy (imho) than win2k in part because the date of release is an MS marketing tool more than it is "news"
just thoughts,
timothy
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Frankly I agree that posting kernel updates may be not so useful. Specially if they are Beta. Specially THIS one.
I don't consider that Slashdot should not post such news. However I consider that they may have a use only in cases when we deal with stable releases. We don't have them every day and not everybody reads freshmeat every hour.
In cases such as development kernels, I would highly recomend to restrict news to moments when important changes are made. And, in any case, to check up the stuff before publishing.
This guy here, 2.3.46, has some serious bugs in it. For the hardware I use, it is not a runday kernel to be trusted. I had to make a few patches and sit until 5 in the morning to see it well and alive in my Ragnarok Linux Box. It is a beauty, it is powerful, it runs fast, it eats less memory, it already covers all hardware I have, it holds my dual-proc with a boost, it does not crash like old good 2.2. But damn, I took three hours checking up the source to make it run and, from time to time, it shows some weirdnesses. For a person with a middle knowledge of systems and programming this kernel may do and may go. But for the majority it may be a serious delusion.
I was pretty amazed to see the damn thing this morning at slashdot. When I know that 80% of the people may not be able to even compile it normally... Frankly this starts to remind the hypes of Redmond's Mag00. People, we are not Mazdiers, and I think no one want to be such.
And I think Microsoft's Windows 2000 beta News groups were run on a dual P100.
Weeeeellll... since VA and Andover are both publicly held, their administration can't do anything that doesn't benefit the stockholders financially. If they *do* do that, they'll get their pants sued off, and lose their jobs.
... well, you'll have to ask Id and Bungie.
Not true. Corporations do things which are adverse to profit all the time. Sometimes it's more accurately a case of putting off short-term profits for a long-term gain, or sacrificing long-term profits for a short-term gain. Or sometimes it's just because they think it's the right thing to do -- kind of like how some European automakers do not enforce patents on safety mechanisms, because they feel that safety is more important than profit.
Microsoft has long been a significant contributor to the Free Software Foundation. I don't know about you, but I'd consider that adverse to Microsoft's self-interest. (The donations come through the United Way campaign. Microsoft has a pledge to match employee donations to United Way charities, and the FSF is a UW-approved charity.)
Id Software has GPLed Quake; Bungie Software has GPLed Marathon 2: Durandal. While these software products are getting long in the tooth there was still a market for them. These two prestigious gaming companies intentionally forfeited profit, because
Corporations do things adverse to their own financial interest all the time. Claiming otherwise shows a lack of historical knowledge.
I don't have any personal opinion on the merger, except that VA now owns both sourceforge and server51, so the only non-VA free development platform-type-site that I know of is openprojects.net. But that's a different point altogether.
RHAD doesn't count as a free software development site? What about all the websites devoted to kernel hacking? Whatever happened to email?
The Linux community survived just fine before Sourceforge or Server 51. I've made significant contributions to free software projects and I've never even visited either of those two sites.
If Sourceforge and Server 51 were essential to the development of free software, then yes, I'd be irked about one company owning both. But they're not essential, so why worry?
Oh, and themes.org and Slashdot are now owned by the same people...isn't that exciting? But, of course, the Andover/VA Linux staff has no say in what gets posted and what doesn't.
The first rule of journalism is don't allege something unless you've got evidence to support the allegation.
Gleam, it's been alleged that you're a monkey-eating child pornographer who had a homoerotic relationship with President Bill. But, of course, that's just speculation.
Moral of the story: if you're going to allege that the Andover/VA staff has undue editorial influence, then for Pete's sake, show some evidence to back up your allegations.
And...what about the guy who posted to the original merger (VA-Andover) thread, from valinux.com, who got an automatic +4(!), without any moderation. Hmm.
I'm a certifiable Karma Whore; when I make posts they start out automagically at 2. This is kind of a cool thing. And y'know what? The other day, I saw one of my posts had a score of 1, with no moderation attached to it! My God! My evil nemesis must be out there, maliciously dropping my scores without moderation!
... or it could just be a bug.
Never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by random chance.
Am I concerned about VA/Andover and potential risks to Slashdot's editorial integrity? Yes, I am, and because of it I'm going to be watching the site closely. If I ever find real evidence of editorial malfeasance, then I'll take my marbles and play elsewhere.
This is, incidentally, exactly what Taco, Hemos and everybody else on staff wants. They want the users to keep them honest. As long as we keep our eyes open, Slashdot will keep its editorial integrity. Then Slashdot gets what it wants (our viewership) and we get what we want (News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters).
But there is a significant difference between keeping our eyes open for editorial abuse, and a paranoid belief that the few minor things we're seeing are just the tip of an iceberg of evil.
Rant done.
Did I miss something? Did Microsoft cancel the W2K launch at the last moment? Did the spooks cover it up? No, everybody else is reporting the news except /.
Huh? Microshaft? Who are they? W2K? Is that anything like Y2K? I'm confused!
:)
*ducking*
My journal has hot
..the news that another minor development release of Linux is out shouldn't really be on SlashDot, IMHO. However this particular release, I understand incorporates some major new functionality (devFS filing system), and *THAT* should have been reported.
I think that SlashDot should confine its comments to releases on the main branch, or be a little more careful about how it describes the significance of development branch releases. Freshmeat is also an Andover site, and most of us have the Freshmeat window on our Slashdot displays too, so there is little need for this double reporting.
On the other hand, SlashDot itself has been remarkably quiet about Windows 2000, and that should have qualified for a news story or two. Regardless of what you feel about Windows, this release is a MAJOR release of the current #1 operating system in the world and should have been covered as such. It is unfortunate that Slashdot did not feel it could put up a news article with some appropriate links describing new features, and even better if someone has a copy, a fast initial impression.
Normally I`m on the side of Linux in most things [Linux leads 5:3 against Windows installs in my home], but I feel SlashDot should have at least tried to give us some objective reporting.
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Closed Source. Microsoft Astroturfers. Sour Grapes.
This is an open source site, with most of us (astroturfers like you aside) far more interested in the most trivial and uninteresting patch to the ever changing development kernel of Linux, or patches to FreeBSD current, than we are in the overhyped release of a bloated, unstable, closed OS from an organization dedicated to denying all of us the freedom to chose our own platform on our own terms.
Get over it and leave the rest of us in the open source community alone to continue building the future. If the content of this site offends you so, go back to microsoft.com and hang out with your buddies there. I'm sure they will be more than willing to wallow with you in your disillusion and self-pity while the rest of us, and the future itself, leaves you weeping in its wake.
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Yes, several fixes have been posted in this very thread.
Read here
That said, I'm not sure why this kernel even made it to release. I know the kernel developers are busy, but they must be using some whacked settings if they could get that kernel to compile out of the box.
Also, it seems 2.3.47pre3 is already up.
http://www.kernel.org
This is a -major- change to Linux networking, and from the sounds of it, it's going to break a lot.
As for devfs, I've played with it, and like it, but it does totally mess up my fstab file. Everything sat nicely on one console screen, and now I'll have line-wraps. Ugly!
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Not like we would have already seen it on Freshmeat...
And since when is another development kernel release NEWS FOR NERDS/STUFF THAT MATTERS?
Anyone who gives a hoot about new linux kernels will be checking kernel.org for their new kernels..
Give me a break.
Unless I'm missing something.. is there something great about this new kernel? Tons of new long-awaited features? (I mean, compared to the one we had yesterday.... )
No.. I didn't think so.
Sheesh.
Those are DEVELOPMENT RELEASES for DEVELOPERS.
That means PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AFRAID TO FIX BUGS.
If there is a fsck up in the build scripts.. FIX IT!
EVERYBODY KNOWS that 2.3 kernels are DEVELOPMENTAL, UNSABLE, UNRELIABLE kernels.
It seems to me that most posts are moderated up that go against the sort of slashdot mindset or go against what most commenters are saying.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
Also, it might only serve to be a story with a bunch of flames wasting moderators' time, rather than a useful and insightful discussion.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson