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Ladies And Gentlemen, Linux 2.4
Lars Lehtonen writes: "The 2.0 kernel is no longer obsolete, it is now "vintage." 2.4.0 is out. " Here is a bit on
LinuxToday
but I'm sure there will be many more. I don't think the mirrors have updated as of this writing, but if I don't post this now, I'll have to spend the next 3 hours deleting hundreds of submissions. Download! Compile! Rejoice! Thanks to Linus and all the rest of the guys who made it happen.
The kernel being delayed does not hinder taking over Microsoft. It doesn't. There's nothing about the kernel that's a problem. All of the cool stuff like USB in 2.4 has been ported back to 2.2 long ago.
Engineering and the Ultimate
Just wanted to go on the record as saying thanks to Linus and the whole Kernel Crew for the LINUX 2.4 Kernel.
Thanks all!
Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
1. Why would you think that the linux softupdates implementation would be any better? If there is a significant difference, it'd be in favor of FreeBSD, as McKusick is a FreeBSD developer and all.
2. Sure, you could take major parts of the FreeBSD (or any BSD) kernel and start from there, but at what point would it just be easier to take BSD and add what Linux does better?
-bugg
A multithreaded IP stack doesn't make it faster. As a matter of fact, it's necessarily slower than it would be possible with a non-multithreaded stack, all other things being equal.
What it DOES make for is for greater performance on SMP systems and with multiple NICs.
FreeBSD is reputed to have a faster IP stack, as far as UP systems go. I don't know whether that's true or not, but many ex-Linux FreeBSD users do claim so. The huge (and record) throughput on ftp.freesoftware.com (formely ftp.cdrom.com) is sometimes cited as proof.
As for Windows, I don't know about 2000, but NT does have a multithreaded IP stack, one of the reasons why it beat the hell out of Linux (and FreeBSD) on a famous benchmark.
Still, real world throughput is likely to depend much more heavily on simple things like the accept filters or the kqueue interface than on the IP stack speed.
And while all the above might be true or not, it's not really the reason why heavy weights chose FreeBSD. What makes FreeBSD special for many is it's capability to handle heavy loads gracefully.
(8-DCS)
I assume this is available to the outside world as well...
ftp://mirror.sit.wisc.edu/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/
http://mirror.sit.wisc.edu/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/
The last line of Linus's post is hilarious. "I won't care anyway." After this development cycle he's due for a long vacation.
And by the way, wasen't there some 2.4 release betting going on? Did anyone win?
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
There were a few major things that had to be done right at the end of the development process after other things had stablilized, such as adding proper flushing and syncing to the page cache. The page cache is, by the way, where a lot of the improved performance of 2.4 comes from. Before the page cache was only used to reading, now it's used for reading and writing, consuming only half the cache memory. The other big performance improvement came from a fairly major modification to the memory management system, to use an approach called page aging which you can see works a lot better. This radical surgery all happened in the last 3 months of the leadup to 2.4, and there were a lot of stupid little bugs and problems to track down and kill as a result of it. It came together pretty fast, actually.
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Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
I cannot believe that the above post, which was a reproduction of Linus's email to the kernel list, was tagged as flamebait. In case the moderator didn't know this, this is Linus's actual email, which you can find off of this Linux Today article.
If this happens to attract flames, it because the flamers are ignorant, and not because the poster is baiting for flames.
In other words, please moderate the parent to this post back up. Thank you.
ObJectBridge (GPL'd Java ODMG) needs volunteers.
Finding God in a Dog
Kernel 2.4.0 is available for download in Australia at:
http://www.linux.org.au/mirrors/kernel/v2.4
and
ftp://ftp.linux.org.au/pub/kernel/v2.4
Currently (about 20:49 EST), the largest slashdot effect I've ever seen is taking place -
We're pounding kernel.org at almost 99 MBit/S.
Now only if they had another 1.5 terabit router...
You need... a new distro. Of course, it's always possible to do the upgrade, but there's going to be way too much stuff that will need to be installed. It's much simpler to re-install a new distro than to look for all the compatibility/utilities problems... I suggest you wait for your favorite distro to ship with a 2.4.x kernel and install it.
Opus: the Swiss army knife of audio codec
Now everyone will have to go change their votes from Pr0n to Kernel Downloads Sorry, only eligible residents of Florida are allowed to change their votes.
That suddenly worries me. What's to stop someone from posting their site as a "mirror" here, and distributing a version of Linux with something evil like a trojan or a backdoor in it?
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Obfuscated e-mail addresses won't stop sadistic 12-year-old ACs.
Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
Just stuck a copy up on our company site. Its got a v.large pipe (mmmm ... high bandwidth ...) so should be un-slashdottable.
http://www.hoojit.com/mirror/
John(burned on the Linux-Mandrake 7.2 Complete, and grumpy about it)zo.
-- Explosion in kernel growth, putting security and stability at a lower level than feature richness.
-- Defraction and scattering of features. Too many distros who all have their own way of thinking about how the best Linux system should look like.
-- Loose application of standards. An oldy is the BSD versus System5 style init in Slack vs. Redhat.
-- Commercialisation of the attempts of many to produce a "free" operating system. Moreover: doing that at such a high rate that the quality of the whole system degrades (I point to the massive distro RedHat, while also looking at some of the smaller ones like SuSE or Debian).
To make a simple conclusion: the spirit of creating a free operating system which does better than the commercial ones, and therefor creating good code at every line of C one writes, is and has been disappearing slightly.
This is not an attempt to start a flame, it's more an attempt to show my reasons why I stepped over to Linux.
This is a replacement signature.
I hate my ISP. So to help consume their bandwidth, here is my very own mirror.........
http://www.primenet.com/~rwd/linux-2.4.0.tar.gz
Hmm. Posting a 2.4.0 kernel link on slashdot eh? That's not really your site is it? ;)
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before declaring war
A government is a body of people notably ungoverned - AC
http://www.jfedor.org/linux-2.4.0.tar.gz
You need apt. If you can't use apt to upgrade, you'd have an easier time with a new distribution.
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>> 1. Photoshop
>gimp
Recommending the gimp as a replacement to photoshop proves that you have never done any real design work in a real print house. Comparing the Gimp to Photoshop is like comparing a four-function calculator to a HP-48gx. The Gimp has pathetic CMYK support... especially when compared to PS6. And, whereas the gimp is a great product (don't get me wrong, I use it tons!) it lacks the finished quality of photoshop.
>> 2. Quark
>adobe's thing, framemaker. heard rumors it may be coming back to life on linux. This is probably your strongest point.
You're comparing Quark, the premiere desktop-publishing software, used by the entire newspaper/magazine industry to framemaker, a produce Adobe itself cancelled on the Windows end and replaced with InDesign? Get real.
>> 9. Outlook
>yeah, like you need a gui to read email. mail, mailx, mh, mutt, pine on the CLI off thetop of my head. www-email in any of several browser, and this includes calendar functionality. Oh and of course the 20+ gui email clients (kmail and balsa come to mind)
You've never actually worked for a large company (read: over 1,500 employees) ever have you? The strongest features of Outlook are it's groupware tools, and there's nothing like that for Linux. God help if you try to plan a meeting involving 15+ people in 5 different buildings without some groupware.
>> 10. $GAME (Everything except Quake3 I guess).
>www.loki.com for starters. More are out there.
Dude, let's be serious here... go to gamespot.com, dailyradar.com, gamesdomain.com, etc... and find me 3 games on the front page of any of those sites that are out for linux. Linux gaming is AT LEAST a year behind windows gaming. Remember the excitement when Descent 3 came out two years after the PC version? That highlights how pathetic Linux gaming truly is.
I'm not saying, Linux isn't getting there, and neither is the original poster of this thread. However, you have to realize that for some truly professional pieces of software, you can't find linux replacements.
You think that is bad?
When I read this press release I put my chair ontop of the hutch on my cubicle desk - hopped up and took off my shirt. I proceeded to conmence screaming "Who's yo Daddy? Wh0's yo Daddy? Linux is 3-1-3-3-7 - and you SUX0RS biatch!?!?!?" (the 3-1-3-3-7 and SUX0RS came out as "three - one - three - three - seven" etc). All the while slapping my own a$$ and dancing (ala the movie "American Pie" -- the scene with the guy dancing for the exchange student)
Being that I work in a 100 year old steel mill in an Engineering Dept (Save me fellow geeks - im surrounded by PROCESS ENGINEERS! (*SHUDDERS*)) -- I am now writing this from a empty Ladel normally used to move molten metal ---- They are intending on dumping me in a furnace. They think Im posessed by a Penguin...
I use Slackware and install everything... disk space is so cheap these days.
Seriously though - rather than use expert install have you thought about using the tagfiles feature? The disk sets themselves are pretty stable between releases and if you're missing a tag file then the install will prompt you for an answer.
I've never used the feature and haven't found much info on it, but I'm sure volkerdi@slackware.com will be happy to help out.
DON'T FORGET THIS STEP! First time I untared a kernel in /usr/src, I forgot to do this, and wiped out my current kernel source tree and all my current, working config files. Actually, aside from a lot of cursing and sweating and having to figure out all those arcaine options, no real harm was done, but it created a lot of extra work before I was done!
Another hint - Save your old kernel! It is very simple to stick two or more kernels in the lilo.conf file. Call your original one "linux" (the default), and the new one "new". Then, on the LILO command prompt, type "new". That way, if you've managed to hopelessly bugger the new kernel, you can still boot the old one.
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Your Servant, B. Baggins
Thanks for the link, I'm loading it right now. Till I switched from RedHat's 2.96 back to egcs-2.91.66, quite a few things wouldn't compile properly. Now, nearly everyting (user error not counted, of course).
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
The best is
/* Fuck me gently with a chainsaw... */
in \arch\sparc\kernel\ptrace.c
:-)
The first thing I did when I found out 2.4 was out was head over to Namesys to see about that. From the FTP site:
- 306954 Jan 5 09:49 linux-2.4.0-reiserfs-3.6.24-patch.gz
It's there. Gtab it. Have fun. A link for the impatient: ftp://ftp.namesys.com/pub/2.4/linux-2.4.0-reiserf
Is there an LVM tool/utility that gets compiled with the Kernel? Do you need to reformat disks to get LVM on existing machines? If not, how are existing disks delt with?
--Donald
www.rdex.net
Just imagine what ten million Linux users will be doing all weekend.
Attempting to Download, Attempting to Compile & Install a new Linux kernel.
You've been warned...
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
155kb/sec for me. Get it there, folks. Really. ftp://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/linux-2.4/linux-2 .4.0.tar.gz
The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.4.0
The latest beta version of the Linux kernel is: 2.3.99-pre9
I'm so used to seeing the latest beta with a higher version number. Looks wrong for some reason.
"I'll take the red pill. No! Blue! AAAaaaahhhhhhhhh"
- Monty Python meets the Matrix
cpeterso
You can find it mirrored at orphansonfire
Yep. I've applied this already. Everything in either bug or security has been applied.
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
1. Why would you think that the linux softupdates implementation would be any better? If there is a significant difference, it'd be in favor of FreeBSD, as McKusick is a FreeBSD developer and all.
The phase tree algorithm will not be superior initially. But it raises the possibilities that the file system could be made algorithmically much faster by utilizing the phase tree for file searches. FFS is already log structured, so this could be a wash. The phase trees could be faster. The phase trees could always have log structuring added later. Phillips is a long long time file system/database programmer, who has decades of experience with atomic soft update algorithms.
2. Sure, you could take major parts of the FreeBSD (or any BSD) kernel and start from there, but at what point would it just be easier to take BSD and add what Linux does better?
At this point linux kicks the crap out of any of the BSD ports for SMP machines. Especially multi-CPU multi-NIC machines. And the fine grained locking is quite arduous to add and debug. Since I use an SMP machine at work regularly, this matter a lot to me. For example, Linus specs his four CPU machines at 370% of the kernels with only one CPU compiled in.
To a single user machine, I don't think there are such strong arguments for linux over BSD now, especially as FFS + soft updates is a clear advantage. Where will the future lead - I don't know. But I am pretty sure I will be using linux, and possibly also FreeBSD. Both are great. Discussing the relative merits of one shouldn't automatically prompt one to say all development should be dropped for the other.
May they both live long and prosper.
Similarly... I normally wait a few weeks before installing a new dot-even release, as the release is likely to be followed by a quick string of quick fix patches.
:-)
... My curiosity, this time however, is too much, and I'm off to upgrade
You're right that Linux does have a clear lead over FreeBSD in SMP for now (until 5.0 is released) but how is it better for multi-NIC machines?
I read your message that was scrawled with a crayon and sent on a carrier pigeon. These "web browser" things sound great. What are they? How can I get one?
Yeah, I've considered using the tagfiles, but it's one of those, "I'll get around to it _eventually_" type projects. *sigh*
Well, it's not entirely impossible to just install a newer distro and download 2.4. I've got a Mandrake 7.0 laptop that I've done extensive upgrades to without any major problems. (kernel 2.2.18, gnome 1.2.1, other stuff)
There are drivers in the kernel and userland tools like vgcreate, lvcreate, lvextend, etc.
I'm pretty certain you need to clobber the disks to start using LVM. With disk prices the way they are today, I just bought new disks, rebuilt on them, then imported my old ones when I was finished.
UMAX Astra 2000U scanners don't work... apparently UMAX won't release details. They're the kind off USB scanner that only has software controls, even for things like turning off the lamp :( I'm always afraid if I leave it on in linux the lamp will burn out. The SANE page regarding them isn't really all that helpful. Of course, UMAX's software is only for Windows and Mac.
I guess the distinction is really between 'can't' and 'don't' then. The hardware doesn't care what OS it's under.
-- "Is this death or is this Ohio?"
Linux 2.2.x doesn't do many-to-many and many-to-few NAT and as far as I know still doesn't do it in 2.4.0, but I don't think it would be a big stretch to implement it in the new netfilter structure.
Stateful inspection allows connection tracking. I think a lot of hacks were required to give MASQUERADEing enough state to work within ipchains. Life is easier with iptables since the state is maintained by iptables. For example, since iptables can see connection creates and tear-downs, MASQUERADEing knows when to stop connecting a realIP:port to a fakeIP:port.
The RAID drivers are alpha as in misnomer. This is the directory they distributed from and at one point it was a correct label. I believe there are a few features that should still be considered alpha/beta (on-line expansion, for example), but the standard RAID[0|1|5] stuff is great.
Linux 2.4.0 has support for up to 10 (yes ten) IDE channels. How does /dev/hdt sound?
I'm currently running 2.4.0test12 on a system I just built, not just because I wanted to be cool and brag to all of co-workers (who would of course give me a blank stare and go on about the NY Jets, etc.), but because I had use for the features. What I'm actually using in 2.4.0:
It has been promised that reiserfs will show up in 2.4.1. Imagine a journalled filesystem! Currently, filesystem checks on my volumes requires about 45-60 minutes. That sucks. I'm
That said, I agree, don't use them if you don't need the features. I had a lot of problems with test11. I was one of many that saw panics when running RAID5, sometimes within 4 hours after boot. test12 hasn't failed yet, but it has only been 20days.
It would be more useful if the links (esp. the HTTP links) contained some path info. The front pages of the sites don't always contain obvious pointers to the Linux kernel archives.
`ø,,ø!
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
Go on IRC at irc.openprojects.net channel #nvidia and the bot named "ice-dcc" can hook you up with the appropriate patches. I'm running 2.4.0 final with full acceleration on my GeForce 2MX right now.
I tried installing 2.4.0 however I noticed that NVIDIA doesn't officially support the 2.4 kernel series with their (ahem, binary only) kernel driver. Has anyone tried using 2.4.0 or any of the 2.4 test kernels with an NVIDIA card and gotten successful results? If not, I'll have to stick with 2.2 until the next driver comes out.
-- BLarg!
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(well, it will be when cultural anthropologists read this post in the year 5009 ...)
Of course, since everyone runs some Debian-based distro then, they will also wonder why their Earth calander of software history seems to be about 8 months off;)
simon
"Hey Carlito, r'membah me? Benny Blanco from the Bronx!"
I just ran across the street to my neighbor who's a diehard NT user and danced circles around him with my stuffed Tux screaming "VAPORWARE MY ASS! T UX OWNS J00!".
-antipop
As always... http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/
Ive now been using 2.4 for 30 minutes, and id like to give my impression of it so far.
First, It booted FAST, not just the kernel, but the userland programs too. I was impressed,
Next, I played some MP3s and it uses all 4 speakers properly now (rear ones wouldnt work) so that was a pleasant surprise. I decided to compile a little program in X, normally, when doing something like that, my cursor will be kind of choppy, but no more. It handles well. It also detected the USB scanner ive still got hooked up from Windows, still dont know if I can actually scan though (i never scan these days, never really cared)
Im still playing, but if your reading this article wondering if you should use it, give it a try. There is definatly a noticable performance increase. I love it, its been long awaited for 2.4, the wait was well worth it.
Linux: Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste.
James Brents
It has been promised that reiserfs will show up in 2.4.1.
There is already a reiser patch for 2.4.0 on
ftp://ftp.namesys.com/pub/2.4/
most distributions seem to want to install about 6 or more editors, 4 browsers, 5 window managers
errr... that's because you click "Newbie: Full Install"
How? I found a line in param.h, but is there a better way?
-- Error: Cannot find file REALITY.SYS - Universe halted, please reboot!
Linux has spent $0, eh? So what are you suggesting, that our kernel should spontaneously animate and then get a job, earn some money, and then spend it? ON USABILITY STUDIES????
EH?
I hear your Windows box calling you. It's needs you to reboot it. While you're there, ask your Windows kernel how much it's spent on usability studies.
-- "In order to have power, I must be taken seriously." -Mojo Jojo
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.ve.kernel .org/mirrors/+mirrors+United+States+site:kernel.or g&hl=en
And I'll post a mirror of the kernel when it's done downloading, too (25% there...)
Carousel is a lie!
kernel.org got SLASHDOTTED!
/.!
I'll bet if they posted their logs, half of the referals would come from
Anyway, for those of you who can't get through (everyone), here's the list of US mirrors...
(HTTP)
www.ymb.net
kernel.stuph.org
ftp.compsci.lyon.edu
jhcloos.com (100 Mbit/s)
www.in-span.net (200 Mbit/s)
www.internap.com
www.gnaps.com (250 Mbit/s)
www.semaphore.com
www.linux.locus.halcyon.com
sourceforge.net
www.rowan.edu
www.sit.wisc.edu
www.netop.surfsouth.com
metalab.unc.edu
kernel.valinux.com
(FTP)
www.ymb.net
kernel.stuph.org
www.cais.com (100 Mbit/s)
ftp.compsci.lyon.edu
cac.psu.edu
mirror.chpc.utah.edu (100 Mbit/s)
www.clarkson.edu
www.club.cc.cmu.edu
kernel.csh.rit.edu
www.nas.nasa.gov (100 Mbits/s)
www.cybertrails.com
jhcloos.com (100 Mbit/s)
osu.orst.edu
www.in-span.net (200 Mbit/s)
www.internap.com
www.gnaps.com (250 Mbit/s)
www.stealth.net (200 Mbit/s)
www.semaphore.com
www.linux.locus.halcyon.com
sourceforge.net (90 Mbit/s)(probably swamped)
limestone.uoregon.net (300 Mbits/s)(good bet)
www.netnitco.com
www.ndlug.nd.com
www.rowan.edu
www.sit.wisc.edu
www.netop.surfsouth.com
www.twtelecom.net (155 Mbit/s)(Good for RoadRunner users)
kernel.valinux.com (45 Mbit/s)(50/50 chance)
No number = less than 50 Mbit/s. Happy compiling! Note: sites are not hyperlinked because my fingers already hurt!
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I would suggest 2 clicks, otherwise that $10,000 should just cover his legal defence when Amazon sues his ass.
I just pulled down the kernel from that link at 150Kbps... slashdot effect is hype.. only works on sites on 64kbps ISDN links..
I downloaded it, renamed it KERNEL.DLL, and overwrote it in my WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory. Now Windows won't boot at all. Stupid Microsoft monopoly, strangling competition
;)
I don't understand why functionality should be taken from the kernel? Sure it may be rare for equipment like this to be in use but every time you take away a feature you take away flexibility. With bandwidth and disk space as abundant as it is today, the size of the kernel is not such an issue. It seems a waste to me.
From linux/Documentation/Changes:
;)
Current Minimal Requirements
Upgrade to at *least* these software revisions before thinking you've
encountered a bug! If you're unsure what version you're currently
running, the suggested command should tell you.
Again, keep in mind that this list assumes you are already
functionally running a Linux 2.2 kernel. Also, not all tools are
necessary on all systems; obviously, if you don't have any PCMCIA (PC
Card) hardware, for example, you probably needn't concern yourself
with pcmcia-cs.
o Gnu C 2.91.66 # gcc --version
o Gnu make 3.77 # make --version
o binutils 2.9.1.0.25 # ld -v
o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat --version
o modutils 2.4.0 # insmod -V
o e2fsprogs 1.19 # tune2fs --version
o pcmcia-cs 3.1.21 # cardmgr -V
o PPP 2.4.0 # pppd --version
o isdn4k-utils 3.1beta7 # isdnctrl 2>&1|grep version
*snip*
The recommended compiler for the kernel is egcs 1.1.2 (gcc 2.91.66), and it
should be used when you need absolute stability. You may use gcc 2.95.2
instead if you wish, although it may cause problems. Later versions of gcc
have not received much testing for Linux kernel compilation, and there are
almost certainly bugs (mainly, but not exclusively, in the kernel) that
will need to be fixed in order to use these compilers. In any case, using
pgcc instead of egcs or plain gcc is just asking for trouble.
For even more details, read the file yourself
Oh...and if you choose to include devfs, do remember to install devfsd before you reboot with your new kernel (I forgot)
You got off easy.
I woke up just to see this article, a full half hour before I went to bed, then I beat the NT-loving CIO, cut him up in pieces and danced on his grave.
Now here I am in a Chinese prison serving as child labour sewing shoes for Nike.
It was worth it.
Errr- no I don't. I use Slackware, and do the expert install - but all that junk is pre-selected. Very irritating.
And why Perl is pre-selected and Python isn't, I've got NO idea!
If crypto is your fetish then check out International Kernel or go install *BSD with the crypto libraries.
Aha! Just found the ECN reference! It's not a standard, it's a work-in-progress. So your point is? :-)
:-)
Let's talk about New Reno instead.
(8-DCS)
No, uuencoding and/or MIME is not the most efficient approach, but it beats 10e25 ftp connections.
Carousel is a lie!
It escapes.
This is all documented in the Changes file, but the main ones are:
/lib/modules/`uname -r` has changed drastically.
GCC 2.91 or higher. 2.7.2 won't do.
modutils 2.3.21 or higher. The layout of
PPP 2.4.0 or higher if you're on a dialup connection.
If you use PCMCIA or ISDN you'll need to update the utilities for those as well. Other than that, things should pretty much work, though you won't get LFS (larger than 2GB files on 32 bit systems) unless you recompile glibc against the 2.4 kernel headers. Oh, and don't have devfs set to automatically mount unless you have devfsd installed and setup beforehand if you want to have device nodes where you expect them to be.
Linus' email to linux-kernel seems a bit down. Someone should really do something about it. A parade, maybe a new car... I don't know..
Email is as follows:
In a move unanimously hailed by the trade press and industry analysts as being a sure sign of incipient braindamage, Linus Torvalds (also known as the "father of Linux" or, more commonly, as "mush-for-brains") decided that enough is enough, and that things don't get better from having the same people test it over and over again. In short, 2.4.0 is out there.
Anxiously awaited for the last too many months, 2.4.0 brings to the table many improvements, none of which come to mind to the exhausted release manager right now. "It's better", was the only printable quote. Pressed for details, Linus bared his teeth and hissed at reporters, most of which suddenly remembered that they'd rather cover "Home and Gardening" than the IT industry anyway.
Anyway, have fun. And don't bother reporting any bugs for the next few days. I won't care anyway.
Linus
The world is neither black nor white nor good nor evil, only many shades of CowboyNeal.
If I were given the opportunity to send a buck, securely, in celebration, to Linus. Such that he may, for a week or so, not worry about bug fixes, but spend time thinking, with his family, where to donate the accumulated pennies. To have a total, at the end, to show the press . o ( here is what the OSS model MEANS to the community ).
Wouldn't you?
Before I part with'em: two pennies weigh ~4.996+/-0.014g, have a zinc core, and the face of Lincoln. You can keep 'em.
It wasn't until 2.2.8 that 2.3 broke off from the main kernel branch. I'd give them at least 2 months to track down all the major bugs in the initial 2.4 release before anyone starts jumping the gun on new development.
Interested in open source engine management for your Subaru?
This is about as exciting as getting a new PS2 - and playing it.
Serious notes: As mentioned by other people: the IDE toys in the kernel have changed - and not with more features. The configuration has changed. You'll have to check ALL the questions!
Things not yet mentioned (but still important): USB support - it is here in full: no "backporting".
Tips for non-pros: If you don't NEED it to be compiled in, don't compile it in!. Modules (with the autoloader) are great for items such as your CDROM drive, floppy drive (you do run off of your hardisk, right?), printer, etc. should be modules. Personally, I reccomend that you compile everything that doesn't go into the kernel as a module - even if you don't use it. This makes upgrading much easier - no recompiles.
Enjoy your new kernel!
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SIG: HUP
I heard that there were tremendous improvements with SMP performance due to better mutex granularity. Is this true? How does it compare with 2.2? How does the kernel scale compared with other x86 OSes, such as Win2K?
Oh well, I wonder if it'll be like the 2.2 release, where 2.2.1 thru 2.2.5 were released in the course of a week ... I highly doubt it, but the thought makes me feel better :)
The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.
Great job and thanks to all of the kernel hackers, no matter how small your contribution.
You can download a patch for 2.4.0-prerelease from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/testing/pre release-diff.
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How hard is it exactly to upgrade your Kernel? (I use redhat6.2)
I have never done it, but I have been told that if you do it, alot of programs stop working, and you are better of just to get a fresh distro with it already in it, is this true?
I do:
make menuconfig && make dep clean bzImage modules modules_install
;)
1st Law Of Networking: Loose ends are bad, termination is good.
WWJD? JWRTFM!!!
> 1. Photoshop
:-)
gimp
> 2. Quark
adobe's thing, framemaker. heard rumors it may be coming back to life on linux. This is probably your strongest point.
> 3. 3DSMax or Maya. Take yer pick.
Blender. Moonlight Atelier. Povray.
> 4. distributed network renderers for the above
ever watched Titanic?
> 5. Non-linear video editing systems (Avid, >Media100)
Broadcast2000
> 6. Digital audio editing packages (ProTools, etc.)
I'm not into digital music so I can't comment. Didn't a book about making music on linux just get published by No Starch Press?
> 7. Excel
Gnumeric. Star Office. Applixware.
>8. Powerpoint
Star Office. Mayber others I don't know about.
> 9. Outlook
yeah, like you need a gui to read email.
mail, mailx, mh, mutt, pine on the CLI off thetop of my head. www-email in any of several browser, and this includes calendar functionality. Oh and of course the 20+ gui email clients (kmail and balsa come to mind)
> 10. $GAME (Everything except Quake3 I guess).
www.loki.com for starters. More are out there.
> Academia? Government? Military?
hah. 70% of the scientific and engineering departments at my university run all-Unix-and-mostly-linux-at-that shops. I don't work for the government or the military, but they're hardly shining examples of wise procurement decisions in most cases.
>From where I sit, installing Linux on a workstation reduces its functionality.
The problem is that you are apparently sitting in
the short bus.
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I would just like to say that when I read this, I ran around the office showing all the NT admins who for the longest time were saying what crap linux is, and how it 2.4 would never come out. I then ran around the office naked screaming "Viva la tux" and here I am, at Starbucks...jobless. =P Give me some food! Maz
Ive had entirely too many bad experiences with centralized binary files for sysconfig, both with Lose9x and other *nixen than went to the dark side. Plain text is the way to go becuase a) it's hard to fuck it up when you programmatically read from it, unless you are a TOTAL idiot (in which case are you really likely to be a system developer?), and b) your system could be a smoking pile of rubble, and all you need is some way to boot to single user mode and use vi and you're set.
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As you may of noticed, there is not a release of it noticable. Its only available right now as a diff inr elease-diff
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/testing/pre
So as of right now, you need the pre-release source. Hope that helps youll get this new kernel, mine is already compiling - wanted to try and help the world get their's going too Enjoy
Linux: Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste.
James Brents
this is great. I've been using 2.4-test8 for a while now and have been loving it. But when al the partying is over, then comes the question -- what next.
OK what else really needs to be in the kernel, what needs to be fixed. We've been testing 2.4 for over a year now and its out and looking good. So its stable and secure. So what about new features? What else needs to be put into a kernel that is already a ~25 meg download. More to the point, what else will even fit?
I've been salivating for months anticipating the anticipation for 2.6. Let the wait begin!
:)
http://www.cowsnet.com.au/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux- 2.4.0.tar.bz2 - 2.4.0.tar.bz2.sign - 2.4.0.tar.gz - 2.4.0.tar.gz.sign
http://www.cowsnet.com.au/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux
http://www.cowsnet.com.au/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux
http://www.cowsnet.com.au/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux
You can also find a list of US mirrors here, or search here for mirrors for your country. Last I checked the new kernel hadn't been mirrored yet, FYI.
ObJectBridge (GPL'd Java ODMG) needs volunteers.
Finding God in a Dog
> 2. Quark
:-)
adobe's thing, framemaker. heard rumors it may be coming back to life on linux. This is probably your strongest point.
Framemaker is a document editing tool suitable for novels and network documentation. You'll never find anyone using frame for the purposed of Quark: magazines, posters, flyers, etc. They are two fundamentally different systems, one focusing on document structure independent of layout, the other focusing on layout.
Oh, and Framemaker on Linux's interface was pretty much unusable shite. Wake up closed source vendors: Linux users expect polished interfaces, not the same motif shite you churn out for Solaris.
> 3. 3DSMax or Maya. Take yer pick.
Blender. Moonlight Atelier. Povray.
IMHO, yes Blender. The other two perhaps not.
> 7. Excel
Gnumeric. Star Office. Applixware.
StarOffice lacks features many consider to be fundamental to spreadsheet, most notably dynamic cross tabs [aka whatever MS calls them]. WPO2K has them, but it runs like a dog due to WINE. Applixware has a bizarre interface [yes, version 5] and though I know little aout the spreadsheet, the word processor lacks a word count. Enough said. Gnumeric won't import MS Office very well.
> 4. distributed network renderers for the above
ever watched Titanic?
You've got him there.
> 5. Non-linear video editing systems
(Avid, Media100, Broadcast2000
BC200 lacks a few major features, according to a professional video producer I know. But MainActor [also aviliable for Linux] is damned fine.
>8. Powerpoint
Star Office. Mayber others I don't know about.
StarImpress is actually a very good presentations app.
> 9. Outlook
yeah, like you need a gui to read email.
mail, mailx, mh, mutt, pine on the CLI off thetop of my head. www-email in any of several browser, and this includes calendar functionality. Oh and of course the 20+ gui email clients (kmail and balsa come to mind)
I don't mean to be rude, but you don't understand what Outlook is at all. Some people do indeed need a GUI to read email, manage their time, schedule apointments, read attachments, use HTML email, create an addressbook, etc. It allows them to fit more text on the screen. it allows them to easily visualize their data [for example, one can look at Outlook and instantly see what new or otherwise. it provides standard controls to format their messages. It provides a neat spell checker. From a 24 x 7 Linux user, Outlook is great.
And yes, I know its security sucks. We're not talking about that, and that it runs scripts by default has nothing to do with its interface.
> 10. $GAME (Everything except Quake3 I guess).
www.loki.com for starters. More are out there.
Agreed. Linux gaming is getting much better. ATI and [sometimes] NViDia cards are benchmarking well under Linux and the range of titles is increasing.
> Academia? Government? Military?
hah. 70% of the scientific and engineering departments at my university run all-Unix-and-mostly-linux-at-that shops. I don't work for the government or the military, but they're hardly shining examples of wise procurement decisions in most cases.
Many of the government departments I've done some work for [Australian DOJ and SES] are mainly Unix based, with some NT. Linux is starting to infiltrate them as well.
The Australian military ITs department [allegedly] wouldn't know security if it bit them in the arse, and are still converting from Netware to NT4.
>From where I sit, installing Linux on a workstation reduces its functionality.
The problem is that you are apparently sitting in the short bus.
In some ways yes, in some ways no. Reliability goes up, and downtime is the biggest part of TCO. Linux has a stable base and needs good GUI, Windows has a good GUI and needs a stable base. I see Windows as having the largest task ahead of it. Linux is also advancing more quickly than Windows is.
Wow, you must be one of the 1% of Linux users who actually do something with it besides wallowing in geek ecstasy on the home PC!
I've taken the liberty of posting a mirror HERE. Go easy on me. (Hah, wishful thinking!)
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A more fine grained access control scheme, to allow more complex [but necessary in most modern security schemes] permissions on an object if desired or necessary. Why does SSHD run with permissions to make devices?
The Unix philosophy is to limit users permissions to the bare minimum neccesaryu for the account to perform their functions. Unfortunately, the permission scheme on most popular Unixes stops this reality from occuring. sudo is a hack. There's no way I can give full control to an folder to the root users, read and execute permission to one group, read only permission to another group, and have all other access denied. This is an impediment for security.
Run top and see all those daemons running as root. They don't need te be, and they shouldn't be. There;s two reasons why they do - either bad programming, or the limits of traditional Unix style permissions.
But not all Unixs use rwxs. In fact, all the trusted varieties [AFAIK] of Unixes run with ACL based systems. There is a version for Linux called Linux Trustees [actually Trustees are difffeent and better than ACLs, but apply the same basic concepts of fine grained permissions].
Trustees needs to go into the next major kernel.
Yes, I realize this will involve rewriting most software [even in only a minor way for most]. But this has been done before for other utilities. Some degree of backware compatibility could be included into the scheme.
Linux Trustees for Linux 3.0!
And yes, I think this would be a really good idea.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
If you're not using loadlin to bootstrap from Windows, it should be cake. (Utterly painless if you're using the MandrakeUpdate.) However, if you do use loadlin, you really ought to make sure you've got boot floppies and a backup of the original kernel. Beyond that, I don't forsee much problem on an unmodified RH6.2.
> i can't help but worry that 2.4 is just as far from BugFree(TM)
Heh heh heh. The Freshmeat sidebox is already showing a 2.4.0ac1 kernel. Go, Alan, Go!
> Unless I see a feature in 2.4 that I absolutely need, I'm sticking with 2.2...
Only sensible. "Because it's there" isn't any reason to upgrade the kernel, or anything else.
OTOH, the more people test it on non-critical machines, the sooner it hits the stable point you're waiting for.
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Distros update their versions for lots of different reasons, often because a number of new user programs are available, a new XFree86 version is available that is needed for new video cards, or sometimes for purely marketing reasons, as when Slackware jumped from 4.0 to 7.0 in order to reach marketing parity with Red Hat - Slackware generally used a conservative numbering scheme, but Red Hat advanced the numbers rapidly, even though all the distros are based on the same stuff, but lots of people gave the Slackware folks the message they didn't want software they perceived as out of date.
So no, it's fine to use the 2.4.0 kernel with Mandrake 7.1. The version of the kernel bears no explicit relation to the version of the distribution.
By the way, if you wonder where most of the rest of the programs on your distro come from, you have the fine folks at The Free Software Foundation to thank. Richard Stallman takes pains to point out the system is more properly called "GNU/Linux", because what Linus developed was a kernel that the already-existing GNU programs could run on.
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GoingWare Inc
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Hello everybody, and thanks to Linus and all the other kernel hackers for this marvelous piece of software called linux 2.4.
:-), ps and top get irritated but everything else works just fine. In fact, I write this post at 4096! Proof:
Cool java games? Try www.gamemakers.de
Please do yourself a favor and compile the kernel with HZ=1024 instead of HZ=100 (this is the frequency for multitasking timeslices).
This gives you a much better "perceived performance" especially for gui applications.
The drawback is that since the machine switches the execution context more often, performance goes down a bit. But on my machine (K6-II 350MHz, 196MB) it is less than one percent, so it does not matter at all as long as you do not do serious number crunching.
If you compile with a very strange value like 4096 Hz (yes, I tried that too
ps
Unknown HZ value! (4096) Assume 100.
PID TTY TIME CMD
862 pts/0 00:00:01 cat
882 pts/1 00:00:04 bash
893 pts/1 00:00:02 wvdial
1035 pts/2 00:00:04 bash
1042 pts/2 00:00:04 ps
With 1024 even ps and top do work, since this frequency is used by the alpha port. And your KDE/Gnome/whatever will feel much better even with the current scheduler.
Sorry if this is redundant, but I think it is important,
MrRight
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If this is to occur, then why do we have delayed projects like this kernel?
The recipe specifically states:
"Heat the new kernel at 425 degrees until baked to perfection."
Noooo... Please don't, because each extra user that sticks to v2.0 becomes my trouble instead of the corporate bug-munching crowd on linux-kernel. Yes, I admit I was stupid when I accepted maintainership, but someone had to.
Regards: David Weinehall, maintainer of the v2.0 kernel-series.
The main reason I got broadband access:
[ ] 24 hour IRC Idling
[ ] MegaTokyo
[ ] Pr0n
[X] Kernel Downloads
[ ] apt-get -u upgrade
[ ] www.cowboyneal.org
[ ] MP3s
[ ] I Saw "The Net" and thought it would be 31337
Now everyone will have to go change their votes from Pr0n to Kernel Downloads. But even broadband won't help here in Europe until the mirrors get updated. Damn slashdot effect.
the AC
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
Alright, it's a bit off-topic but would just like a tip here. What else do I have to upgrade in order to go from a 2.0.36 kernel to this new one? I mean in termos of libs, utils, etc..
ftp://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/linux-2.4/linux-2 .4.0.tar.gz
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Looking back on some of the bugs that stayed in the 2.2 tree for so long (including some that caused massive filesystem corruption) i can't help but worry that 2.4 is just as far from BugFree(TM)
Unless I see a feature in 2.4 that I absolutely need, I'm sticking with 2.2 until 2.4 becomes stable enough that they open the 2.5 tree. Granted, there's a lot of neat stuff in 2.4, but there is a difference between neat and necessary. I'm sticking with kernels i know are stable.
#define F(x) int main(){printf(#x,10,#x);}
F(#define F(x) int main(){printf(#x,10,#x);}%cF(%s))
don't worry..i was just joking. :)
The anti-salmon
Money that's sent to a project should be allocated by the maintainer of the project. ie Linus should spread the money around to those who did work. Himself included.....
As far as sending it to charity - no way. This is payment for work. Ideally, the best developers shouldn't have to have jobs beyond hacking the kernel (if that's their wish).
First, make it work, then make it right, then make it fast, then, make it bloated!
In the Gregorian calendar we are well in 2001. However, under Julian calendar, the one used by Orthodox Church, only tomorrow will be Christmas Eve and New Year is still more than a week away... Curious to note that Finland was once part of the Russian Empire and has, till today, a significative part of orthodox believers. Really I don't know in what religion Linus believes but his promises go straight according to the orthodoxes. If I'm not mistaken, one of his promises was to deliver the kernel by Christmas.
So it seems that Linus kept his promise... somehow...
So just yesterday I wrote:
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Why We Should All Test the New Linux Kernel
on Advogato.It's got some helpful, practical tips on downloading and building a kernel from sources as well as providing feedback to the kernel developers. All of the information in the article is available somewhere, but when I first began testing with 2.4.0-test1, I found some things difficult to figure out, so I felt that it would be nice to put what I learned all down in one place.
This is part of an overall effort to improve the quality of Free Software. Another part of the effort is the just-founded Linux Quality Database, so far just a proposal - contact me at crawford@goingware.com if you want to help.
And finally, some interesting trivia for you:
After a long beta testing period and many delays, Windows 2000 shipped with 64000 documented bugs of which 25000 were considered serious by Microsoft itself (the figures are quoted from memory, I might be a bit off). The Windows trade press reported that the opinion was widely held by IT managers that one should not install Windows 2000 on any machine until a few service packs had been released, with Windows 2000 server not being considered ready for use until much later than the desktop user version.
The BSD/Mach based Mac OS X, derived from the NeXT operating system and now in beta testing, is Apple's first operating system to support protected memory that is expected to be widely used. (Another was A/UX, Apple's Unix port, but it served only a niche market).
Apple has been trying for ten years, longer than Linux has been in existence, to write a modern operating system. The first was Pink, renamed Taligent when Apple collaborated with IBM on it. In the end all that came of it was a little-used object-oriented programming framework.
The next was Copland, and I don't know why it was never completed exactly, but I was offerred a job as a performance engineer on the Copland project when I worked at Apple, but I turned it down - I didn't tell them this but I had the sense that Copland was a project that would never ship.
And Linus wrote Linux when he was a college student, which combined with the GNU utilities forms the operating system we know and love today.
These huge, well-funded corporations can't get it together to program their way out of a wet paper bag but a bunch of freaks on the Net have written the fastest growing operating system in use today.
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
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And in the end, the skies parted, and a loud trumpet came from the East. Lord Linus appeared, and delivered the new Linux 2.4 Kernel to the human race. Thousands of Geeks rose up into the air and rejoiced. The Evil Demon Gates saw this, and knew that his time on this Earth had come to an end. :)
If is very easy to figure out your nearest mirror:
Determine the two-letter country code for the nation you reside in. This will be the same as the top-level national domain, ca for Canada, uk for United Kingdom, ch for Switzerland and so on.
If you're using ftp, the server name starts with ftp. If you're using http (a web browser), then it starts with www.
Put the country code in the middle. Add .kernel.org at the end.
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
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And it always seems to happen when I'm composing something in a web form like here on Slashdot, so I end up losing it, so I immediately hit the submit button when it started happening while composing the above.
Working towards improving this situation is The Linux Quality Database.
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
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And who the hell even cares if "BSD is better!", or Linux is somehow 'the best' (the best what?!?), or that "You've obviously never used Solaris for any length of time if you think any free operat...blah blah frickity blah!"
If I drank, I'd grab me a Guinness and drink a toast to Linus, RMS, and any other hacker who's created something for the world to enjoy. Cheers!
Free music from Jack Merlot.
God have mercy on your site ...
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When can I download 2.5.1?
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
thought so.
cpeterso
I can't imagine ANY serious Linux distributor that will put 2.4.0 on it's new version of Linux..
I guess that everyone will wait until at least something like 2.4.2 or 2.4.3 to put those kernels as default - and even then - you'll have on the 2nd (or the 3rd) CD the 2.2.X kernel to fall back to..
I would really suggest to people who wants to use ReiserFS to wait for kernel 2.4.1 and enjoy the benefits of bug fixes + ReiserFS in 1 complete stock kernel...
Hetz (Heunique)
Can anyone think of a more effective trojan-attack than to release your infected binary kernel on your website?
- Steeltoe
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
Like those annoying BMG CD clubs, if you DON'T click the button they will send you your "purchases". You must return them if you don't want them.
cpeterso
goatse.cx is my listed homepage for the same reasons that GC's Seven Deadlies are part of my .sig. I think people are too damn uptight. This is my way of tweaking them. Further, my homepage (the real one) has contact info on it for friends from high school, etc. I got tired of people flaming my personal account during the political stories a month back. (What can I say, I'm a liberal bombthrower... ;-) ). I also think that goatse.cx is a humerous subversion of the slashdot scene.
My original post got to 5 becuase a) I meant what I said, and moderators like honesty, b) people found it funny, which apparently you did not, and c) it was posted in reply to one of the first comments (first non-troll comments anyway; man, -1 is such a zoo these days).
I'm actually pretty annoyed about this post's moderation, becuase while it's gotten 4 positive feedback it's also been hit with Overrated twice (that happens to be my least favorite mod tag, and I refuse to use it when I mod). Somehow, even though I've posted several (I mean like 5 - 10) +5 comments after I hit +50 (the apparent cap), as well as numerous +3s, those 2 negatives in the /. Karma Calculus caused my overall to go to +49. wtf? Not that I inherently care about an abstract measure of communal worth on one website, but I'm quasi-pissed becuase the system isn't behaving the way I think it should/thought it did.
Lastly, as an AC, I think your room to throw stones about trolling is pretty slim. ;-)
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much simpler: rename the archive as kernel-2.4.0.tar.bz2.mp3 and slap-it in napster.
:)
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don't hold me (or them) to this, but according to SuSE - they should be releasing 7.1 by the end of the month, beginning of next month w/ 2.4 as the default kernel.
:)
i'm planning a hardware upgrade myself and would rather do a fresh install.
-Jae
I must admit, LFS (Linux From Scratch, for those who don't know), is a very interesting-looking project. I'm using Slackware for my current Linux distro, and I'm sure I'll update to 7.2 once it's available, and use that to build my LFS partition slowly over the next several months. I'm already planning what s/w to use - it'll be an all GTK/Gnome system, and I'll try to eliminate as many dependencies on other libs as possible (no kde, lesstif, etc,) The proliferation of libs is pretty ridiculous these days. I'll also only have _one_ of each type of app - most distributions seem to want to install about 6 or more editors, 4 browsers, 5 window managers, etc. It's pretty insane. Sure, when you install all of Gnome, it's pretty huge, but keep in mind that when you do, you don't need to install a bunch of other stuff anymore (including libs). Can't wait for Gnome Helix and Nautilus to hit their prime...
I got in before the Slashdot effect myself - I'm running 2.4.0-prerelease-ac5.
They have this time at Apple in the development of new hardware called freezing the ROMs. You have to do it so you can get them into production to include in the new machines. But development of ROM software doesn't stop, it just takes the form of RAM-based patches...
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
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you can find 2.4.0 here: ftp://rohirrim.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4 Please be easy on me :)
visit cruentus.metalunderground.net
rohirrim
Will the next stable kernel be 2.6 or 3.0?
:)
Sorry, no bets on the release date.
-jfedor
Without a floppy copy of the new kernel, or a backup of the old one to fall back onto, you may find yourself in an awkward Catch-22:
The new kernel will steal away the file systems. Loadlin will boot the old copy of the kernel from the Windows partition. The old kernel will not be able to run the File System modules for reading the Windows partition (VFAT). You can find yourself unable to write the new kernel to either the floppy or Windows partition in order to get it booting in the same version as the FS's.
Once you've got the new kernel into place, be sure to write it to windows or floppy before the impending reboot.
Yep. Not to mention two people called it "overrated", probably to offset the ones who thought it "funny", which it really is.
:-)
Some people have no sense of humor.
(8-DCS)
I just saw a very confused user posting to linux-kernel wondering where to send a report (he'd figured it out, but wasn't sure).
The correct, new address for bug report submissions is linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Same hostname, different domain.
If you're going to work with the new kernel, I highly recommand you browse the mailing list. But linux-kernel has one of the highest volumes of any internet mailing list so you probably don't want to actually subscribe (you don't have to subscribe to post, unlike many mailing lists).
Instead, read the list off an archive server. There are many of them. This search at Google will find you an archive
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
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SMP-safe? Sure FreeBSD's TCP is SMP-safe. You can run it on SMP without ever running into a single problem. Maybe you wanted to say something else?
I must confess I never even heard of ECN and SACK, which doesn't really mean much. We do care a lot about standards, though. As it should be obvious to anyone with the least historical knowledge, in the absence of actual contact with the current developer community.
Benchmarks. Yeah, we probably should optimize for benchmarks, like developing an ultrafast getpid() system call, so benchmarks which use that as a "null" system call show faster results. Instead, we spend time uselessly on optimizing for real world use. Sigh. We are so foolish! If we aimed at being good on paper instead of being good on practice, we could grab a much larger market share in exchange for a few really heavy sites that absolutely need us!
UFS is over 10 years old. Well, softupdates isn't, but that's beside the point. UFS still kick ass. There is a whole class of ex-Linux FreeBSD users whose main concern was the superiority of UFS over ext2.
As for Linux UFS, last I heard it was "use at your own risk", and not particularly fast at it.
Sure enough, Reiserfs, Tux2, JFS, XFS and ext3 will, eventually, all kick ass. Well, scratch JFS off that list, since it was based on a really slow version. Heck, Reiserfs is kicking ass now, as a matter of fact, despite some claims that it is infringing on some patents.
(8-DCS)
I don't choose my operating sysems based on it's "coolness factor." I use what works. I'd still be using my Amiga if half-way-modern hardware wasn't so bloody expensive (and if I hadn't been zapped by a lightning pulse). Linux beats the pants off of Windows, and while I'm sure that BSD or QNX or whatever is "cooler" now, Linux works for what I want to do, and 2.4 will only widen its usability.
As for 2.4 being "obsolete," everthing's relative. Look at it this way: now you can run 2.6-beta and feel superior.
I have great confidence in Linus, and Alan, and all the others that have worked to make 2.4 a reality, and I'm glad they held off on it's release until they felt it was ready for prime time. So what if it took longer than the media expected; those people aren't booting by default into Linux, I'll tell you that. I suspect the reported "impatience of the Linux community," if you will, was largely their own manufacture. (Which is not to say I wasn't HOPING 2.4 would be released soon...but I expected it around March, and would still be content if it wasn't released today, knowing that when it WAS released, it would be stable and up-to-date.)
"I might have made a tactical error in not going to a physician for 20 years." -- Warren Zevon
Someone should put the kernel on freenet if it isn't already there in some form.
This Wiki Feeds You TV and Anime - vidwiki.org
>I can't imagine ANY serious Linux distributor that will put 2.4.0 on it's new version of Linux..
:)
Think RedHat!
I've DL'd 2.4.0 and applied the reiserfs 2.4.0test12 patch from www.namesys.com. It went okay, and the kernel seems to be compiling without issues. Just thought I'd let you all know.
;)
(On a related note, if you're making new reiserfs partitions I'd use the tools that come with the 2.2 kernel patches, as the 3.62 utils don't seem to work too well for my SMP Linux box. Could just be me though.
Cheers,
Ben
it's 2.5.0-test1betaAalpha3.0
should be out when linus cleans out his email box from all the "j3w 4r3 s00 1337. 3y3 w4nt t0 b3 li3k j3w" junk mail he'll be recieving from copious linux zealots.
say.....august?
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