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NASA Clamping Down On ISS Crew Reports?
TOTKChief writes: "After stories of air quality problems and other fun glitches on ISS, NASA Watch is reporting the following: 'NASA Seeks to Suppress ISS Crew Reports.' This is from a status message sent out to NASA and contractor ISS program office Staff: 'Notes from today's staff: The Ships Log, sent down almost daily from the ISS crew, will no longer be available on the web due to legal concerns with the freedom of information act. A process will be put in place to make them available to those who need it, IMC, Flt control team, etc.'" Considering the huge advances made in astronaut safety since the space program began, it would probably be comforting to hear about problems being solved in space rather than brushing them over with silence. And when there are problems, doesn't the public have the right to know? (Whose dollars put those folks up there in the first place?)
Captain's Log, Stardate 54324.5: Starfleet Command has directed the Enterprise to do a preliminary exploration of planet M22 in advance of a full research team. Scanners report the atmosphere to be breathable, but are recieving confusing readings with regard to life forms. I am beaming down with a landing party composed of all our chief officers except for poor Scotty.
Supplement: Redshirt Riley has received a head injury, apparently while exploring under a high rock shelf. He reports only hearing a loud sound and jumping before being struck. After examination by Dr. McCoy he has been judged capable of continuing duty.
How we know is more important than what we know.
I worked at Ames RC in Moffett Field, and one of the biggest problems with getting actual work done was the 'consumer crowd'. It is exceptionally difficult to get work done, when you do have the tax paying citizens keeping track of you and some of them will actually be able to come into the lab and bug you.
A media silence on things would help this problem, and thus provide more efficient workplaces. I still don't think that silencing everything is a good move though.
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
Well I'm shocked that they even use it for day to day use. Do they have an MCSE up there? At least none of the critical systems are hooked up. Damn.. Someone needs to fork IP addresses for the NT Server they gotz up there. I can see the headline now "l33t k1dd13 hax0rs IIS"
How we know is more important than what we know.
To quote the show...
"After fourteen minutes, the fire burned itself out. The next morning, Jerry's NASA support team arrived at Russian mission control near Moscow with no idea that there had been a fire on Mir. The Russians had never informed them."
The Russian space program has allways been extremely secritive, and with tight budgets on the line at NASA, I imagine that they are paraniod about a tarnished public image that could lead to even more budget slashing.
There's a big difference between witholding information for national security, which is what the amusing hypothetical examples you cite are, and witholding information that may merely be embarrassing to the government. The first is legal, and the second is not. What NASA is doing is a case of the latter, and their FOIA doublespeak doesn't help their credibility one bit. I hope they get some new management soon, but if not, the budget "clampdown" that the AC alluded to earlier is in order.
Fine by me. I want people to think about this. I'm not saying that I'm right--hell, I'm an engineer and I should be wrong some of the time, because otherwise peer review is useless to me...
MMQ's? Most people who would have such an attitude don't have enough technical knowledge to complain. Outside of the areas that I work in, I know that I sure as hell don't. Something could happen to the station bus, and I'd be like, "Ummm, okay." Now, fsck up EXPRESS Rack or the Vacuuem Exhaust System/Waste Gas System, and I'd know.
Actually, we do. The process of building space flight hardware demands it. You build something to spec and drawings. You test it. It fails--and let me tell you, no matter how well you design the thing in the beginning, it will fail. [I know, I design tests to break things. I usually piss off the design team.] You document how and why it failed for two reasons:
So yeah, that's why you open up everything. It's also why you document everything. The other thing to think about here is quantity. Ten of something is a lot in space stuff. We have four work STS orbiters. We've had five operational. Each is very different, although they were derived from the same initial design.
Tell that to the guys who worked on Apollo, eh? They had an unrealistic deadline and met it with four months and eleven days to spare.
Micromanagement can be a huge problem. NASA has cut management back too far in some areas and not enough in others. The communication pathways stink. Happens on the commercial side, too--our payload's commercial [the first commercial one, actually, so we're breaking new ground all the time...].
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The mission-critical systems are running on Solaris, last I heard. Windows is used on the space station... for the astronauts' laptops.
There should be a mod of "-1, Just Plain Wrong".
Nah. No Windows on the *control* systems. There are Windows laptops that are used in controlling some of the rack-level stuff.
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If this is the International Space Station, shouldn't it be possible to end-run around Dan Goldin by getting these logs from one of the other space agencies? Russian, Canadian, ESA, etc?
For those of you who don't have the time to read, before spouting off about what you are guaranteed, here is a small portion of items you are not guaranteed by the Freedom of Information Act
(1)(A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and (B) are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order;
(2) related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency;
(3) specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than section 552b of this title), provided that such statute (A) requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be withheld;
(4) trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential;
(5) inter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency;
(6) personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
(7) records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information (A) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, (B) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, (C) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, (D) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, (E) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or (F) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual;
(8) contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports prepared by, on behalf of, or for the use of an agency responsible for the regulation or supervision of financial institutions; or
(9) geological and geophysical information and data, including maps, concerning wells.
When people say they are using the FOIA to refuse information, they may have meant to say that they are using the FOIA to show they are not required to give it to you. Give NASA a break. They give a lot of great info that they could easily justify not giving, but when it comes down to it, they are scientists who are excited and happy to talk to people about their work.
Keep in mind that they are not cutting off and going into a media silence -- only doing a controlled release which I think is a pretty good thing. If there was a complete silence I would be upset, but I think it is better to allow trickled information to keep people at bay a bit more.
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
Genius (I forget the author)
James Gleick. Try here.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
FOIA concerns "friends and family first" notification in case of death or injury. Although I doubt dead astronaughts will be sending logs, I believe NASA is liable for grief (not sure what it's called in US law) if a family hears about death or injury on CNN or the web or however publicly. That's one rationalization, at least, although there certainly is a bit of glint taken from the ISS when they do this. The more info I have in the ISS, the more interested I become in it.
I took it to mean "We're concerned that we might not be required to release this information (in which case, we won't)."
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Has anyone thought to try to intercept the transmission? is it encrypted? is it encrypted well? It's not like we're talking rocket science. Wait. It's not like we're talking private cable, or unknown locations--it's trajectory is known.
I'd presume the transmission is encrypted, but if it's 40bit, let's get Distributed.net or EFF to set up a real-time cracking system.
Returned Peace Corps IT Volunteer
I can see your point, but i disagree.
There is also a point about 'airing dirty laundry'. Now I DO NOT agree with just sealing all the logs in a vault and only those on a need to know can look at them. But at the same time the world isn't perfect. Glitches happen. You you want your neighbors to be able to know EVERY detail of your life? No - of course not. At some point freedom of information becomes an actual hinderance to getting the job done because of all the second guessing and 'monday morning quarterbacks' that are out there. For some jobs, it is important from getting from A->Z, not every last stupid little detail (and foulup) that took you to get there.
You develop payloads for the spacestation right? When you deliver your payload do you document every foulup, screw up, bad design decision, backtrack, and everything else that went wrong during the project? I doubt it. You produce the final thing, the specs, how it has passed the requirements, etc etc. Why doesn't NASA get the same treatment?
Saying this is 'tax dollars' or 'international' is just a cop out. People can't do their best work when the work under a magnifying glass.
(I personally do my BEST work when i have a boss i don't see for weeks at a time. It's the micromanagement types that want a status every 12 minutes that kill productivity).
j
>>>Saying this is 'tax dollars'
>>>or 'international' is just a cop out. People
>>>can't do their best work when the work under a
>>>magnifying glass.
>Tell that to the guys who worked on Apollo, eh? >They had an unrealistic deadline and met it with
>four months and eleven days to spare.
I wouldn't put the Apollo gang even in the same ballpark as this. Part of it is the general media atmosphere now that loves a failure to get eyeballs. The Apollo team was given a TON of respect and their failures and screwups weren't trumpeted across the front page. A failure or a setback was 'par for the course' when you're doing something brand new that's never been done before. Nor for every little thing that went wrong were they hauled up in front of congres to justify themselves. They were allowed to do their job.
I know---I used to work for NASA. Everything we did was considered classified. When we asked why, we were told that it was to maintain NASA's image.
Try telling a police officer that "I pay your salary" if you want to see what I mean.
You forgot to add, "So get me a glass of water."
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
They didn't say "Freedom of information act allows us to suppress this." They said
"The Ships Log, sent down almost daily from the ISS crew, will no longer be available on the web due to legal concerns with the freedom of information act"
Which is basicly untrue, concerns with thge legalities of FIFA didn't CAUSE them to suppress. Rather political coernsn cqused them to suppress and FIFA **allowed** them to do so.
This kind of backwards politician weasal speak is pretty damn disappointing coming out of NASA'a official mouth.
I have an urge to write them and tell them so...
The Ships Log, sent down almost daily from the ISS crew, will no longer be available on the web due to legal concerns with the freedom of information act.
"concerns with the freedom of information act". What kind of bullcrap is this? How can you use the FOIA to block information?
They better have a good reason behind this. Whether it be for the crew's safety, or whatnot. I can see the concern if the logs include confidential information, but even in that case you can censor it.
and they can signal us by rotating the solar cell arrays back and forth in case they get in trouble.
short flash, short flash, short flash
long flash, long flash, long flash
short flash, short flash, short flash
Quick, to the space shuttle!
I meant something along the lines of controlled media release.. definitely not media silence. Let the flogging commence.
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
My guess is that they are squeamish about the medical stuff in exception #6...
(find the text of the FOIA here)
(b) This section does not apply to matters that are--
(1)(A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and (B) are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order;
(2) related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency;
(3) specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than section 552b of this title), provided that such statute (A) requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be withheld;
(4) trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential;
(5) inter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency;
(6) personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
(7) records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information (A) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, (B) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, (C) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, (D) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, (E) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or (F) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual;
(8) contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports prepared by, on behalf of, or for the use of an agency responsible for the regulation or supervision of financial institutions; or
(9) geological and geophysical information and data, including maps, concerning wells.
Any reasonably segregable portion of a record shall be provided to any person requesting such record after deletion of the portions which are exempt under this subsection. The amount of information deleted shall be indicated on the released portion of the record, unless including that indication would harm an interest protected by the exemption in this subsection under which the deletion is made. If technically feasible, the amount of the information deleted shall be indicated at the place in the record where such deletion is made.
Just my US$2e-2.
OK,
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They need to stop using dirty socks instead of air filters. See what happens when the management decides to cut corners?
nahtanoj
Captain's Log - 1/10/2001 - 10 A.M.
* Checked air intake regulators - all normal.
* Checked heat regulation unit - replaced regulator.
* Visited by spaceship full of martians - played chess with them.
If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet.
How do you use the Freedom of Information Act to make information more difficult to obtain?
Lawyers never cease to amaze me.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
"And when there are problems, doesn't the public have the right to know? (Whose dollars put those folks up there in the first place?)"
While I agree with you in this particular case, in that I think we'd all be better off if NASA released this information, this argument never works. Try telling a police officer that "I pay your salary" if you want to see what I mean.
The US government keeps plenty of private information which is not publicly available. AFAIK, the only thing you're truly entitled to is the information it has about _you_. There are plenty of cases where the government justifies keeping information private on the grounds that releasing it can do harm (case panics, etc.) or be a threat to national security. Whether or not these arguments are valid are up to you -- but they certainly are legally effective.
-Puk
And when there are problems, doesn't the public have the right to know? (Whose dollars put those folks up there in the first place?)
/. tend to blow stories out of proportion. If the public believes they aren't doing anything right, then there may be enough resistance to delay future development.
Yes, it's our money and they probably want to see more of that in the future. The public's perception of government run facilities is critical. What's worse is the fact that the press and even places like
Personally, I'd like to see what's going on just because I know that I'm not going to put on my tunnel vision glasses when I read the information. However, things like "oxygen leak" can be very minor depending on size, location and several other factors. But we all know that just those two words are enough to have a 15 minutes story on every news station in the country.
I want to let you all know why I submitted this. It's important, and I think you'll agree if you think about it.
We bitch here all the time about open source, free as in [speech|love|beer|money from a wrecked Brinks truck], etc., but we do this with the computing industry for the most part. When it's not about computing, it's about us as consumers.
Guess what: we are all consumers of the U.S. space program, whether or not we're Americans. I work on an international payload for ISS, one that has potential benefits that will help us all in medicine, optics, etc. Countless medical and science advances have come from space-related endeavors.
We want freedom of information. We want knowledge. We crave knowledge. Getting access to the ship's log is cool three ways:
I find that, all too often, people my age [early 20's] are going into aerospace for money and for a desire to keep things like STS 51-L [Challenger] from happening again. These aren't socially positive things, really. We should be in this to innovate, not maintain the status quo. NASA is doing a great job of the latter at this point, as humans remain parked in LEO except for those nice little day trips to the moon.
Keith Cowing is going to file FOIA's to get access to the logs. I think we here on /. should do something similar. Write your Congresscritter--they just got elected, remember? Write Bush, whether you voted for him or not, and tell him to get off his duff, select a NASA Administrator, and make damned sure that it's someone that will believe in opening up information to the public. And, if you're not an American, pester your local politicos--remember, this is the International Space Station.
End of rant. I am highly pissed at NASA PAO, but like that's new or somethin'. It's not like it's a national security interest anymore, boys...
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"concerns with the freedom of information act". What kind of bullcrap is this? How can you use the FOIA to block information?
They better have a good reason behind this. Whether it be for the crew's safety, or whatnot. I can see the concern if the logs include confidential information, but even in that case you can censor it.
It seems to me that there are two possibilities:
1) The logs contain what might be considered personal information about astronauts (Al Shepard needs to use the bathroom type stuff), and they don't want a "reverse FOIA" action against them to enjoin publication of sensitive material. They also don't want to hire people to censor the logs before publication, because this takes money and time (this sort of review cannot be achieved to legal standards using grep).
2) They're concerned that the publication of the logs sets precendent for a wider interpretation of FOIA.
At any rate, it seems that you can't escape lawyers, even in orbit. And I was hoping that the Vicious Knids would have eaten the lawyers by now....
They're doing this because Shep keeps saying interesting stuff without the PAO filtering him down to an acceptable level. You can thank him for forcing the issue on a station name, for instance, and calling it Alpha during radio communications. This forced Dan Goldin to acknowledge it as station Alpha, something he was really trying to avoid.
What they DON'T realize is that Shep can just start transmitting using the Ham radio setup, so they can't keeo him down.
Go Shep!
Just because our tax dollars are spent on a federal program doesn't mean we have a "right" to know everything about the program that those dollars may have been spent on. Do we get to know the troop locations of our military because we paid our taxes? Do you have the codes to launch nuclear weapons because your accountant couldn't quite keep you from paying the government something this year?
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
I couldn't find it online, but read his report on the Challenger disaster sometime, its in his book The Pleasure of Finding Things Out. Its down right scary how NASA management makes its decisions. Management believed that there was a 1 in 100,000 chance of a problem with the shuttle, Feynman showed it was more like 1 in 100 and that the only system on the shuttle that was reliable was the computer software and it was getting info from badly designed and likely to fail sensors. Because of the whole design process it lead to problems never being fixed, even when the solution my have been simple. Just replace the failed part with a new part that will fail again later.
Linux and Windows that is. A lot of the astronauts have win95 laptops, but
Linux Journal has an article about two programs developed and run for the ISS on Linux.
Check Linux-Equipped Astronauts Project for more info and a way to help.
Returned Peace Corps IT Volunteer
is sex
Yes - NASA doesn't want to lose their funding due to broadcasting pornographic ship's logs. They can cover this up just long enough to conduct the necessary experiments, then when the FOIA kicks in to open the door, they have the whole thing wrapped up and in video stores.
- passion
Yep. Personally, I've given up on watching STS launches. Why? If it blows up while I watch, I'll freak. I figure the next time we lose astronauts will be our last, because we're too namby-pamby these days to realize that it will eventually hit the fan, folks.
I wish some of the old, dead test pilots from the Edwards days were around now to blather to Congress. They walked uphill both ways to work in the snow, barefoot, AND THEY LIKED IT! =)
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They want to filter out the foul language.
-russ
Don't piss off The Angry Economist
FWIW, the original predicted "major failure" rate for STS was 2% at design finalization. We've had slightly less than 1%, depending on how you define "major failure". [I haven't seen any of the other big things as "major", but worrisome, yeah.]
Oh, and the Russian space agency is the Russian Space Agency. =)
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I can sort of see how it might make things a little more difficult for crew on the ground or families of the astronaughts if every little thing that occurs in the ISS is reported on every day in great detail. It is sort of like the spouse going to the grocery store and being frantically asked by someone about some obscure airleak. That would suck. Maybe the solution would be to delay the release of the most detailed information by five or ten days.
(Whose dollars put those folks up there in the first place?)
I find it curiously odd that NASA emplores our gov't to give them more/stop cutting funding because as they say, space exploration leads to technology that trickles down into the commercial markets and it's our destiny to explore space and yadda yadda yadda. Now they are turning around and saying, we know best and it's best you not know, but let us continue our work.
What this really sounds like is that they don't want to catch shit for botched missions so people don't question their abilities and in turn lose funding. Buncha F-tards.
"Me Ted"
BOSTON SUCKS!
This is not a Fugazi
Considering that the ISS is an international space station, surely NASA can't have total control over the flow of information from the space station? Will the Europeans or the Russians be able to share this precious info with us. Heck, Mir might have been falling apart, but at least it was turning into the hacker's idea of heaven and the information was being shared with everyone.
Hmm, I think its about time we send up that open, Linux based, communications satellite so that the truth doesn't get silenced by our dear USA government.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
"The Ships Log, sent down almost daily from the ISS crew, will no longer be available on the web due to legal concerns with the freedom of information act"
You seem to be sure that they wanted to supress this information. Perhaps, rather than assume that it is "backwards politician weasal speak" we could assume that they wanted the information available to the public (after all, it's good press and they did place it there to begin with).
Maybe there was an employee who was upset that information about himself was being distributed without his consent. The "legal concerns" could have been that the FOIA was supposed to protect that employees personal records and NASA was concerned that the employee would sue.
I don't doubt that there are some dirty politicians and corrupt lawmakers, but to assume that anything questionable is a result of those people is ridiculous. Act on your urge and write to them... maybe they'll tell you or it can be your undeniable proof of the giant X-Files-type conspiracy.
Also, as a FIFA-certified soccer referee, I can tell you that Fédération Internationale de Football Association probably had very little to do with the suppresion of the NASA space logs.
I recently finished reading a book called "The Hubble Wars" detailing the successes and failures of the Hubble Space Telescope problem. Seeing this story today makes clear that there are still several big problems involving NASA:
1) The semi-technically literate people who are interested enough to want to hear the gory details also appreciate that any project NASA takes on is by nature very complex and will have some problems. By withholding information NASA alienates those who are likely to be it's staunchest supporters.
2) There have been in the past and probably still are some real project management shortcomings at NASA. With the Hubble project (at least according to the text mentioned above) the central problem was lack of coordination between development teams. Finding out about successes and failures as they happen allows the paying public to react properly to applaud the successes and require improvements. Which brings us to the next point...
3) The federal legislative bodies tend to be punitive in reacting to NASA shortcomings. The attitude seems to be "You cost us a lot of money, we don't get a lot of immediately practical returns, so if you screw up you're history". Instead, the attitude could be "You're very expensive, but we value the eventual returns. Due to the complexity of your work, we will tolerate some mistakes. But if we see the same mistakes a second or (heaven forbid) a third time, then expect a management shakedown".
Personally, I am fascinated by all things technology and therefore am pro-space exploration, etc. The curiosity of the great ones and the hurculean efforts put forth by the minority are what has put at least part of the world into a new standard of living. Quashing the curiosity and freedom of the most daring hurts everyone.
IT keeps the astronauts fit and entertained, adds nutrients to their bland space food, fights off robot monsters, detects and removes tumors, replenishes thinning hair and freshens the air.
Lady astronauts appreciate IT's ability to reduce painful monthly bloating and erase microgravity cellulite eruptions.
IT is the ISS crew's silent confident, biomechanical jack of all trades, and Tickle-Me-Elmo all in one.
Soon, we'll all know about IT, and will feel gratitude toward NASA for preserving the surprise.
Stefan
From NASA's front page
"NASA is deeply committed to spreading the unique knowledge that flows from its aeronautics and space research...."
NASA has some pretty cool stuff on their site. They don't have to show me the latest pictures or movies of space, but they do. Last I checked, there was no reason that I had to know the daily reports of what is going on during a space mission. I enjoy reading about it, but there is no reason they should feel responsible to give it to me. I pay taxes to get police officers around my neighborhood, but it doesn't mean I get to tell them what to do.
Maybe there is a completely justifiable reason to suddenly suppress the information. I know there are reasons that some information gets denied despite the Freedom of Information Act that many people cry about (but probably haven't taken the time or initiative to actually read and comprehend). I don't think my tax-paying, but mentally-deficient neighbor needs the info to build a nuclear bomb, so I'm willing to let it go that I can't obtain it myself.
NASA has made some pretty huge strides in its lifetime and I'm happy to see them able to continue. They give a ton of information and some of us are happy to see that. I would contest that the large number of people bitching about the requested denial of info weren't even aware that it was being given in the first place (and probably wouldn't have even thought about it if it wasn't originally). Now it's a conspiracy.
Since it is not mentioned in the article above or on NASAWatch, here is a link to all of the Status Reports that have been posted to the web. The most recent one is from January 3rd.
This is not a Fugazi
That's an out and out lie. Do you have any proof that there is Windows in Space? I'd like to sue someone if there is.
How we know is more important than what we know.