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Tucows BSD Section Goes Down in Flames
BSD Today ran a comment on Tucows shutting down the Tucows BSD Section after flames from the BSD community about the misinformation they had on the site. Tucows says that they cannot meet the demands of all the "factions" within the BSD camp. It's a cop-out in my opinion; BSD Today and Daemon News seem to do it fine. All any of us asked for was for the inflammatory pro-linux/anti-BSD flavor of it to be toned down, and the misinformation cleared up. DaemonNews also carries some appropriate comments.
Basically, it's easy to sum up this situation: you reap what you sow.
I'm not sure what people expect when they go around being insane zealots, getting in someone's face when they mess up one iota, etc ...But Tucows shows one example: they stop providing a free service.
I urge people to read or re-read the Linux Advocacy howto here. Perhaps if everyone's a little more cordial and constructive with their critisism we can keep companies interested in providing free services to the BSD/Linux/etc communities.
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Don't laugh; while the French government isn't stupid enough to try this, the Quebec government is.
Sorry to say it, but their BSD site was utter garbage.
I'm not kidding.
I've got a few BSD servers, I'm running Linux on my workstation, I love both. TUCOWS did a great job with Linuxberg, but their feeble attempt at a BSD site did WAY more harm than good.
Did any of you complaining about the BSD community actually visit the site before they shut it down? It sucked. It really sucked.
It had potential, if they had had a few people who actually used and believed in BSD products. They didn't. They slapped it together, made gross inaccurate statements about BSD, and never chnged their ways.
Sorry, it had to be said. If it had been a Linux site, the Linux community would have chewed them out at least as badly.
This was moderated up?
Stuff this. Look for me on half-empty.
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hmmm? tucows owns Linux Weekly News (LWN.net), which is a great Linux site to keep up to date with everything that's going on around Linux. And LWN alone has at least 3 or 4 people writing on it, full-time, about Linux news. I have no idea what Tucows' Linux "channel" is like, but I don't see any reason to bash their Linux news -- LWN is doing a truly great job.
Anytime a BSD bigot puts down the GPL as not being 'free' I'm going to get upset and angry.
Generally, restricting freedom tends to cause economic problems. If the GPL restricts freedom, why aren't there economic problems in the GPL based Open Source community? Seems to me that the flow of informtion and level of activity is much higher in the GPL based parts of the community. Kinda tells me which license is better at promoting freedom.
To me, those kind of assinine comments about licenses are a perfect example of the inferiority complex (not claiming BSD is inferior, for those who are victims of this complex) combined with an elitist attitude that the BSD community is noted for.
The Tucows site had obvious incredibly stupid, misguided and wrong information on it. This much is true. I also have no doubt that some of the behavior that they complain about is also what happened.
I'm perfectly happy to be a friend of the BSD community, but I get the distinct impression that they'd prefer I not be.
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When you've got the Ports Collection! :)
Let 'em take the easy way out - we have plenty of other, better ways of getting software.
(And none of them have massive amounts of banner ads, either!)
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Because there is at least *one* Linux guy involved with that site. The Tucows BSD site has been a disaster from the very beginning, and it's pretty clear that there is no one there that knows BSD. They treated it as an extension of the Linux site, and BSD as merely another BSD distribution.
Go read some of the Tucows articles on BSD. If they had done the same thing with Linux, you guys would be calling for the head as well!
It's also safer to dump BSD because a) it's a smaller number of people, b) ports makes Tucows pretty much irrelevant to BSD users.
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For the sweet love of God, you BSD nuts have all sorts of good things going for you but you continue to shoot yourself in the foot.
Shooting yourself in the foot is a habit common to all freenix types, not just BSD. If you step out of the Linux camp and view the perspective from a neutral vantage point, you'll see that penguinistas are every bit as petty and irrational as the daemonics.
1)Lets see, you have what, 8 or 9 different version, openBSD, freeBSD, etcBSD... so there is a nice selection available.
And how many Linux distros are there? (there's only 5 or 6 BSDs) Before you say that Linux is just a kernel that hasn't forked, I'm talking about distributions. Or if you will, the "GN" portion of "LiGNuX".
2) You have an old slow file system, so newbies don't get intimidated by anything happening too fast.
A myth. As completely untrue as the myth that Linux uses the BSD TCP/IP stack.
So... why can't you guys stop acting like a red headed buck toothed stepchild and just friggin calm down a bit.
Okay, let's turn the tables around and imagine what the typical penguinista would have done if: TuCows had on a prominent review of Debian GNU/Linux on their *Linux* site with a) a download link to pointing to Redhat, b) the assertion that Debian was released under the BSD license, c) there were no applications available for it, and d) the conclusion that the user should stick with Windows because Debian is too hard.
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> They don't know what they're doing.. and i hear they have one guy working on the linux sites now...
Last time I heard mention of 2cows they were in the dog house among Linuxers for publishing some sort of cluelessness. IMO they should go the Corel route and get out of it altogether if they don't care enough to get a clue.
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I really hope that this doesn't deteriorate into more BSD vs. Linux wars. This is the type of thing that has divided the Unix community for so many years and it's time for it to stop. Sys V vs. BSD; emacs vs. vi; Motif vs. OpenLook; Gnome vs. KDE; and on and on and on. Look, everybody, can't you see we're all on the same side here? I know that rivalry and competetion are good, but there's a certain point where it becomes destructive. This balkanization oftentimes hurts the Unix community as a whole. In this day and age of MS dominating nearly every market, if we can't rally together for a common cause, then I think we're just doomed in the long run.
Linux and BSD each have their strengths and weaknesses. Use them where they are most appropriate. It doesn't have to be an either/or situation.
Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations.
did you people read their inflamatory and thoughroughly incorrect articles supposedly "pro-BSD"?
Please people, inform yourselfs before u comment...
See here
see their crap??
I had never paid any attention to the BSD section until this came up. Looking at it, I went back and read the previous news & editorials from TuCows.
It's my belief they should have called the section "BSD sucks, and here's why."
I read *every* article they posted, and was hard pressed to find *one* good statement about BSD. Not one! The best I could find was along the lines of "Yes, A is good, but it comes with B, and that sucks, so go use Linux instead".
That's not *BSD infighting. It's *TuCows sucking. If I were a BSD user (which I used to be), I sure wouldn't frequent that site. Even their "here's something cool for BSD" ends up with "but it still sucks".
TuCows seemed to be doing a better job at trying to scare away new users than anything else. Supporting existing users, they definitely didn't even approach it with their news & editorials section.
How can you trust a group that insults its audience and its audience's product all the time?
"BSD and Linux users were just like their brain-dead Windows users" isn't a jab at their choice to be a Windows site. It was a jab at: 1) Windows users and 2) Tucows for not knowing their audience.
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Misinformation is abundant.
BSDi is a company, not an OS. It's also a new company formed from the merger of BSDI and Walnut Creek CDROM. BSDi's product now, as it was when it was BSDI, is BSD/OS. BSD/OS has never been open.
BSD/OS and the *BSDs do all share a common heritage, specifically 4.4BSDLite2, the last to come out of the CSRG at Berkeley.
It was a few former members of the CSRG who went on to found BSDI and sell BSD/OS. At the same time, Bill Jolitz's 386BSD became stagnant, so two other projects each independantly of each other took it and became NetBSD and FreeBSD. There was no infighting between these two groups, they just each started their own _on_ their own.
The only split due to infighting is OpenBSD's creation, which has been well documented.
TrustedBSD is not a _new_ version, but a name given to a set of extensions that Robert Watson (Remember, that guy with the interview last week?) is working on for INCLUSION into FreeBSD's main tree.
Note that this is not a flame, but an attempt to correct misinformation. If I do not, it will propogate. Others will read your post and think "yeah! What's with TrustedBSD splitting!? Damn those BSD users!". Don't think it can't happen? It does, every day, and sites like Tucows' BSD section made it possible.
The tone of the feedback one gets is directly related to the tone of the content being reviewed. Tucows got back what they put into it.
Which brings us to your "what a surprise comment." It was inflamatory and any negative response you get regarding it is well deserved. And so what if there *are* three (Only the free ones count when talking about segregation and splitting) flavors of BSD? There's several dozen Linux distributions. And yes, I've heard all the reasons why the segregation of Linux was felt to be neccesary.
Wait, no I haven't.
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Maybe it will send a message that acting like a crazed zealot doesn't pay.
But then again maybe I'm hoping for too much. Anyone who needs to be told not to act like a culty religious freak has almost no chance of heeding the message.
Everyone's heard of the Darwin awards. I think we need another award to acknowledge those whose religous convictions have led them to the edge of the cliff, and then beyond it. It shall be called the Waco award in memorial to those brainwashed idiots who pissed the government off so much that it barbequed them.
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A 486/66 running SCO/Unix speaking XNS out the network card. Is there an open source package that speaks XNS?
IPX is a derivative of XNS, so you probably could get a Linux box to speak XNS. If *BSD supports IPX then the same would probably be true.
Toned it all the way down, didn't they?
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Yes, your sympathy is touching. But the idea that the "real world" will somehow enforce your ideas of what is "normal" is ridiculous.
Maybe these "Linux zealots" will simply create situations in which Linux (or OpenBSD, or other FREE operating systems) have a chance to demonstrate their excellence. Where I'm currently contracting, I built a Debian box to monitor two Sun Starfires. Why, you ask? Because the Debian box is about five times more stable, and that way we know what's going on.
Linux paid for my motorcycles, my cars, and my house, often at rates twice what NT lusers get paid, and exceeding what Slowlaris admins get.
If you somehow think the "real world" will cut young Free Software gladiators down to size, think again.
Oh yeah, take that Win98 box, and throw it out the window. Your passive acceptance of MS-buttfscking is hurting the rest of us.
Carefree highway, let me slip away on you.
Keep in mind that as a BSD user, I can see thinking alot less hard about firing off an insulting and picky email at tucows (ie, corperation, started off with windows, etc .. ) than any of the BSD sites.
.. just, aimed at the gnubie, which is to be expected from the type of user base tucows attracts.
Ie, the BSD sites probably get the benifit of the doubt when a BSDer considers 'correcting' misinformation found on those sites than that of tucows. I have no doubt people would have relished grilling tucows on relatively small points than the BSD sites. Incidentally, although I dont read them, they are probably at least more biased and non-objective when it comes to summerizing support and ease-of-use issues related to the various flavours of BSD than tucows would have been.
If anyone really thinks that a collection of individuals at tucows were really out to kill *BSD or to turn the average user away from trying out a *BSD OS (the existance of which, ironically, would have been keeping them employed), I think it's just another case of people being a little to lovey-lovey with their OS of choice. From what I saw of the points under scrutiny, I don't think they were wildly unfair
If something has never been said/seen/heard before, best stop to think about why that is.
"Old man yells at systemd"
It was a jab at Tucows for not knowing their audience
./'. Good luck.
I think Tucows know tyheir audience perfectly - enwtwork administrators from the Windows world who heard about Linux and just want to run a stable OS. They find Linux difficult to use and confusing, with some people saying ti easy and other sinsisteing they need to manually recompile their kernel and all their applications too. The `help' section in their GUI only talks about a fairly small range of apps [at most, less than half of the GUI apps isntalled on their system], the GUI isn't consistent, they feel uncomfortable with this typing interface [which, for these users, is much slower than a GUI] and they can't find out how to make a shared directory for users to store common files in without permissions being a problem. Go on, sit your mother down in from of your Linux machineand let her figure out `chmod g+s
These people want to use Linux anyway, because they know and acknowledge Windows doesn't work properly. Most Linux distribution vendors still don't take ease of use seriously. Its nice that familiar faces like tucows and download.com can guide them into getting familiar feeling apps to helpm them administer their system.
Linux isn't more stable than Windows if you can't install it in the first place
You sound like a person whose driven an automatic transmission all their life trying to learn to drive a manual. Jeesh.
This I think crystallizes the fact that you simply don't get what I'm trying to say. I shouldn't have to qualify myself: but I find the installs of OpenBSD and most Linux distributions quite comprehensible.
Of your analogy: its pathetic that you think just because I advocate giving people choice to drive their car how they want to I am personally incapable of driving manually.
Basically, I thjought the ctiticisms in all of these OS were self evident. Man pages are generally notoriously badly written and occasiuonally don't exist. HOWTOs are generally extremnely out of date [even the maintained ones]. The debian install puts widgets off screen which you wont see unless you tab over them, and uses terms like `base system' which are vague.
It is hard when your app doesn't compile because a header file is missing. Or something doesn't compile with later [or broken] versions of GCC. It is hard when because someone told you *BSD runs Linux apps, and you realize that this blanket statement is a gross generalization.
It is sometimes perfectly good to assume that soemone knows what they are doing, and reads documentation. Most Linuxes, and many BSDs, do not however aim exclusively at this market - most Linuxes, in fact, don't. There's been so many times I've heard of a network beeing cracked and some BSD advocate says `just install OpenB and have your troubles go away. Firstly, network security isn't that simple. secondly, they probably can't install OpenBSD, because they find it dtoo difficult of because the documentation is porrly written, and their company can't hire external staff to perform this task for them.
Just be honest: `if you have a few years Unix experience under your belt, or have some cash avaliable for training, OpenBSD would be a good solution. With some tinkering and a bit of knowledge, it can also run many Linux applications'.
Have you ever actually installed any Linux distribution in the last year or so?
Yes, I have installed
* Red Hat 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0
* Storm 2000
* Debian 2.2 [eventually]
* Caldera 2.4 technology preview
* Mandrake 7.0, 7.1, 7.2 [7.2 I run os my main machines]
* esmith 3.0, 4.0 4.1 [which was actually easy]
I have also installed
* OpenBSD 2.8
* Solaris 7.0 and 8.0 i386
And
* Windows 95, 98, 98SE, ME
* Windows NT 4, 2000 Pro, Server
I word for a professional Linux systems administration company. They all suck. Unfortunately most machines already come with a flavour of Windows installed, so end users don't have to deal with Windows crappy installs. esmith is the only one I would consider remotely useable by non-technical people.
Okay, not the insanely obviously wrong ones like `*BSD is GPLed', but there's nothing `wrong' or `pro Linux, anti-BSD' with saying stuff like the following:
/stand/sysinstall."
"OpenBSD support is limited"
Compared to Linux, it is. In turn, Linux support is also limited in size when compared to Windows. That doesn't mean your platform is bad. It just means that there's less support. Its true, deal with it.
"Support for NetBSD is minimal at best."
Compared to FreeBSD [biog in ISPs] and OpenBSD [big it security circles], support for NetBSD is tiny.
"There is no official commercial support for NetBSD at this time. "
Well, that may be true. I don't know. Keep in mind the word official
"The OpenBSD installation process is "not very friendly, in fact its downright hostile.""
Um, this is true. Don't get cut up over it, acknowledge it, fix it, and prove your maturity. This isn't pro Linux anti-BSD ism. Debian's and Red hat's installers suck too.
OpenBSD is "a very difficult system to configure and use since no configuration front-end exists like FreeBSD's
Well, was it obvious to the user? This is a mistake, but it might have been an honest one. No tool exists unless it is obvious to most users it is there. coming from the Linux world, one sees this repeatedly with Linux distributions that hide their confioguration tools from their menus. The newbioe isn't being dumb, they're beiong logical -if they ain't showing it to me, it probably doesn't exist. A fair enough assumption to make. People rarely read documentation.
Configuring NetBSD is "an adventure every time."
The NetBSD installer is not for timid -- "it is an old style text based installer."
Oh, cmon - how are you gonna argue this isn't the case?
"NetBSD applications support is minimal as well."
Um, yes. Comapred to Free and Open, yes. Sorry, its a fact of Life. I'm a Linux user. Linux application support is also pretty minimal comapred to Windows or MacOS.
"NetBSD support for network applications, such as ICQ and messenger clients, is seriously lacking."
It is. Not everyone wants to port and compile source. Not everyone knows C. Most people don't. Slashdot is the only place where end-users don't exist, and you can tell somebody to `code it themself'.
"NetBSD is a very minimal operating system."
It is. It lacks most of the polish that most users expect [even system administrators - remember, more people use NT than Unix precisely for that reason]. Stop bitching that this isn't the case. Either shut up and tell them you like minimalism, or try and make it even less minimal than it is today, just to proove them wrong.
Did you read the articles? It's not Linux zealotry that was giving them trouble; It was the infighting between the zealot factions of *BSD.
Visit the article; Look at the list of 'opinionated misinformation/slamming' Tucows is accused of. Of the seven examples, only one would actually raise an eyebrow as untrue. The BSD externals ARE virtually the same as they were three years ago, the FreeBSD IRC channels ARE a bit elitist, OpenBSD IS hard to install, even for those familiar with other variants of *nix, etc..
The BSD zealots didn't like being judged by people from the Linux and Windows camps. That's all there is to it.
(Please note; I have run everything from Xenix to Tru/64 to Solaris, through half a dozen BSD variants and Linux.)
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Cause you don't sound like you have a clue what you're talking about. The advocacy how-to is a great resource, but not relevant here. There was no "insane zealotry" involved, at least not from bsdtoday or daemonnews - one might argue that the tucows/bsd staff was involved in some "insane zealotry" in favor of windows and linux I suppose.
Tucows hired writers who hadn't the slightest clue about anything BSD to write that section, and those writers couldn't even be bothered to do the slightest research before they blathered off their inane and misinformed views, or even to correct their factual errors when readers tried to politely correct them. After awhile a couple of real BSD writers corrected them publically, and tucows responded by closing the section down, leaving the nonsense letter that's up currently, which has no more connection to reality than their consistent statements previously claiming that BSD was GPLd.
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But seriously, why sit around and debate which operating systems are better? The industry will decide who lives and who dies. Personally, I run OpenBSD, but that didn't stop me from trying out Linux. Now, I'm looking at Freesco for that old 486 box in the corner.
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If you were trying to do something constructive, and put honest effort into it, you'd expect SOME reward for doing so.
At least, you'd expect nobody to fault you for your creative efforts.
But what if, while you were going about your stuff, you had a large crowd of people standing around you, shouting insults, throwing beer cans at you, and pointedly making the case that despite the fact that you are TRYING to get something done, you can't possibly do the job as well as THEY, even though THEY aren't doing it?
Wouldn't that just piss you off? Would you want to keep going?
So we have a bunch of snooty, nose-in-the-air types who just can't seem to accept being belittled to the level of (gasp!) TUCOWS, who also work with (HEH!) WINDOWS SOFTWARE!, who've spoiled an ally in their cause, and halted a nice effort.
I wonder how many of these intensely critical remarks came from people who just figured out how to boot BSD?
Way to go, guys! Hope you're proud!
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I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
As the previous poster indicated: it's a free service. If you don't like it you don't have to use it.
As to your bizarre rant about them probably thinking "BSD and Linux users were just like their brain-dead Windows users", well thats about as smart as jamming your head in the car door. It's comments like this which give the whole free software movement a bad name.
If Tucows is a windows site it is their right, just as slashdot chooses to be a non-windows site, and just as linux.org chooses to be a non-windows site, and just like sun.com chooses to be a Sun site!
After a while, you realize all OS's look basically act the same, but just have different flavors. Foreign languages are the same way. Lets end the OS jihad(sp) soon.
... pass that pipe over here, then pass it round to everyone else! ;-)
Right on man
That is both right and wrong. Many of us are in the "real world" and use many OSes in day to day life. Just because we prefer and ar loud and proud about one or two being IMHO *much* better than the others(I would include both *BSD and Linux in this) does not mean that we can't or won't work with other boxen. The part that you are right about is the "they said something we don't like let's flame them attitude and then let's whine when they go away" attitude. You are right that wins no friends.
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To quote from Tucows:
When Tucows periodically gets something "wrong" on the BSD site, we receive a barrage of angry user comments. Paradoxically, when we use this advice to make adjustments we receive an equally prolific battering from other BSD factions indicating that we had it correct to begin with. Any attempt to provide a middle ground only results in hostility from all sides.
Boy, this doesn't sound like the Slashdot crowd *I* know...
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This is how I read this whole Tucows incident:
Tucows attempts to provide a BSD portal.
BSD users send flames to Tucows regarding misinformation.
Tucows decided that it couldn't make the BSD crowds all happy, so it ditched it's BSD efforts.
This has nothing to do with Linux, but everything to people who do not know how to provide constructive criticism.
Sending flaming emails to a person or company is not going to get you anywhere, and this incident is just proof of that.
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Never mind that Tucows have hardly substantiated their claims of "terrible flames." For all we know they could have got 1000 legitimate complaints, 80 trolls and not enough hits to justify keeping the site up.
Sure, they were providing a free service. A free service that shunted out a lot of negative criticism, and a lot of information that was just plain incorrect, to the general public. If you run a site on BSD, shouldn't you get at least one guy that's used BSD for longer than two weeks on board to write, or at least check most of the material?
I'm not sure what they're getting at with all their noise about "one BSD faction hollering when we fixed things according to another faction's instructions." I can't see BSD factions fighting over the OpenBSD link pointing to another BSD variant, and vica versa. Or a particular BSD variant being described as bare and featureless, no doubt without the reviewer even looking at the ports section. And he found the online crowds unhelpful.. gee, maybe he was asking stupid questions and should have RTFM? If you want support for BSD, you go buy BSDi, just like if you want support for Linux you go buy one of the boxed Redhats that costs 40 times as much as a burnt ISO image.
In any event, for the BSD community to show this 'lack of appreciation' for a free 'service' demonstrates only one thing.. that the community doesn't feel the need to prostitute itself for publicity. bsd.tucows.com didn't provide decent information and the entire concept of tucows for a platform with a well integrated ports collection (or Debian's apt ... choose your poison) is pointless - it provides no benefit to the community whatsoever. (If you really wanted to find an application outside of the ports/apt/etc collection, go search freshmeat.) Why on earth should the BSD community feel obligated to give them the time of day?
1 - Divide the /. comunity into two sides (WinLeft/WinRight)
2 - WinRight bombards tucows with insults and "suggestions" for improving their Windows Section.
3 - WinLeft Creats a petition site claiming "Tucows is going downhill" and "What's with all the changes!"
4 - WinRight emails tucows declaring that WinLeft are a bunch of wacked out OSS advocates, and should be ignored
5 - WinLeft rubutts with "WinRight are all Linux Zealots, just trying to screw the system" Followed by a massive flame mail/DDOS attacks.
6 - WinRight Starts massive mail-bomb campaign against tucows.
7 - WinLeft Counters with a "Manifesto" delivered to Tucows re: "The Diminishing Quality, and overall suckieness of the Tucows Windows Section" Boycott Proposed, more flames.
8 - Tucows decides it is all too much for their poor support staff.
Voilla, no more windows section on Tucows, more room for Atari ROMs and Mac Software.
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I hear the French gov't is requesting that Yahoo tone down it's pro-English stance. I guess they want Yahoo to pay for a gov't appointed committee to review all French-oriented directories as well as ensure a minimum of French language and anit-Nazi content. If Yahoo doesn't do this, they threaten to sue MacDonald's and block them from ever using the term French Fries on a menu.
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I guess the webmasters got tired of all the little red devils scaring both cows all the time.
Hey man, like, I just heard a few minutes ago that they will be replacing their BSD section with a new free LSD download section. Just download and lick your CRT, man. Whoa... Expand your mind, man... I can feel my neurons dancing now, man...
I used to work for Tucows a while ago.. maintained their howto.tucows.com, ext2.org, and the linux ftp site. They don't know what they're doing.. and i hear they have one guy working on the linux sites now...
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They should of just taken the site down quietly. I built the site for them when I was the Tucows Linux Manager, and knew quite a bit about BSD then. I actually teach a BSD administration course now. I told them they need to find some BSD workers, but they didn't listen to me. I told them they need to support the ports collection, but they didn't listen. I told them that BSD was not better or worse than Linux, just different and they need to take time to learn it. But they didn't. All they did was install BSD and couldn't get it to run. Then they turn around and claim it sucks because it isn't as brainless to install as Linux. BSD runs fine, and they could have seen the benefits if they took the time to learn it. Instead they decided to slam an OS they know nothing about. Dumb.
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